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    kdarlingkdarling Posts: 1,640member


    Perhaps he means an active digitizer pen, not just a dumb stick stylus.


     


    While some Android devices have Wacom or N-Trig active pen support (in addition to capacitance for fingers), Apple devices do not (yet).


     


    Many iPad users wanted more accurate pen input, which has led to aftermarket solutions.  E.g.


     


    Byzero Sudio Digital Pen = $160 - $200 (!)


     


    Aiptek MyNotePen = $129


     


    EFUN Digital Pen = $75


     


    iPen Kickstarter project = $50.

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  • Reply 202 of 213
    haarhaar Posts: 563member
    I find the photo of the 2 women degrading and demeaning... and from a moderator, of all things.

    explain your self sir...
    because you are wrong...

    why do you think it is degrading... ?... megan fox is posing (megan fox's job is degrading and demeaning?...)
    (have you forgotten that megan fox is a movie star?, and NOT a porn star?)
    the other woman is not posing, her pose is "real life"...

    it is a slur on samsung.

    BTW, are both those woman the same age?... because i think when they were both 9 they were the same weight.

    I'm afraid sir it is you that is projecting the "degrading and demeaning" quality of that photo.
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  • Reply 203 of 213
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,954member
    kdarling wrote: »
    Perhaps he means an active digitizer pen, not just a dumb stick stylus.

    If that's what Curtis Hannah meant, then he/she is way off. A proper digitizer pen isn't a "hot pen tip". Repeating an incorrect statement several times doesn't make it correct, it's worse when repeating it despite being corrected.
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  • Reply 204 of 213
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    kdarling wrote: »
    Perhaps he means an active digitizer pen, not just a dumb stick stylus.

    While some Android devices have Wacom or N-Trig active pen support (in addition to capacitance for fingers), Apple devices do not (yet).

    Many iPad users wanted more accurate pen input, which has led to aftermarket solutions.  E.g.

    Byzero Sudio Digital Pen <img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=appleinsider.com-20&l=ur2&o=1" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;">
    = $160 - $200 (!)

    Aiptek MyNotePen = $129

    EFUN Digital Pen = $75

    iPen Kickstarter project = $50.

    A bit OT but I would love for Apple to include a digitizer in their devices. I wouldn't expect them to include a stylus with their devices but it would open the door for the option. Of course, having world class APIs I would expect. If the Galaxy Note has anything I like it's the Wacom digitizer.

    Any idea on the cost, thickness, power use, or any other obstacle that a digitizer has been being added to a touchscreen?
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  • Reply 205 of 213
    solipsismx wrote: »
    1) At $70 this must have been a pretty impressive stylus. Surely you remember the make the model of such a pointlessly fancy object.

    2) You really think this is expensive? http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/wireless/2407783011/ref=pd_zg_hrsr_cps_1_3_last

    3) WTF is with these "hot pen tip" comments. There is no heat. It's CAPACITANCE. Is this more of you not understanding the technologies involved and not wanting to take 2 minutes to read up on them before chiming in as to how Apple is doing it wrong?

    4) Here is the most expensive I can find and it's only $50. Do you why it's so expensive? Because it also contains a pen and laser pointer in a very high quality design. This is not the norm. This is the exception. The high end of the basic capacitance stylus is around $15. http://blog.laptopmag.com/ipad-stylus-review-roundup-the-best-pen-for-your-tablet?slide=2
    first of all it was a real pen, and one so that is and bought with iPad 3G the first week, and I am saying I have faked a stylus by a hot pen tip literally, and this method is $10 at max vs a $30 stylus or 50 or 70 at a point if you want other features, there is no reason to complain, it is probably the cheapest method using a hot pen tip.
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  • Reply 206 of 213
    kdarlingkdarling Posts: 1,640member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post





    A bit OT but I would love for Apple to include a digitizer in their devices. I wouldn't expect them to include a stylus with their devices but it would open the door for the option. Of course, having world class APIs I would expect. If the Galaxy Note has anything I like it's the Wacom digitizer.



    Any idea on the cost, thickness, power use, or any other obstacle that a digitizer has been being added to a touchscreen?


     


    The two main pen system providers these days are Wacom and N-Trig.


     


    N-Trig's digitizer consists of thin antenna traces or wires on top of the screen.   They claim that their new combination capacitance (finger) and pen controller can be put into a device for about the same price as a capacitance controller alone.


     


    Wacom's digitizer grid sits underneath the LCD screen, so it does not interfere with the visuals.  Wacom is more expensive than N-Trig, but is also usually regarded as better.  (Less likely to skip input.)


     


    I'm not sure of power requirements for the screen antenna system.  The pens run off either batteries, inductive power, or quick charge capacitors.


     


    The cost is supposedly anywhere from $50 to $200 per device (lowest N-Trig to highest Wacom), depending on screen size etc.


     


    PS.  Current iPad third party active pens use IR and/or ultrasound locating methods.

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  • Reply 207 of 213
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,954member
    first of all it was a real pen, and one so that is and bought with iPad 3G the first week, and I am saying I have faked a stylus by a hot pen tip literally, and this method is $10 at max vs a $30 stylus or 50 or 70 at a point if you want other features, there is no reason to complain, it is probably the cheapest method using a hot pen tip.

    Why do you keep calling it a hot pen tip? You know what hot pen tips are used for? Wood burning crafts.
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  • Reply 208 of 213
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    kdarling wrote: »
    The cost is supposedly anywhere from $50 to $200 per device (lowest N-Trig to highest Wacom), depending on screen size etc.

    1) Thanks for the technology lesson. (Does that read sarcastically? It's not suppose to.)

    2) Wow! That is a crazy high price per unit. At those prices I wouldn't expect to see them in an iDevice. I knew it used to be expensive but I had hoped that the Galaxy Note was a sign that the cost had dramatically decreased. Any word on which digitizer or accuracy of the Note devices?
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  • Reply 209 of 213
    kdarlingkdarling Posts: 1,640member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post



    Why do you keep calling it a hot pen tip? You know what hot pen tips are used for? Wood burning crafts.


     


    Maybe they're not a native English speaker, and/or have somehow translated "reactive/ electric pen tip"  to "hot pen tip".


     


    At least, that's what it sounds like to me.   Or perhaps they just misheard their friend.


     


    But yeah, it'd be good to know why :)

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  • Reply 210 of 213
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,954member
    kdarling wrote: »
    Maybe they're not a native English speaker, and/or have somehow translated "reactive/ electric pen tip"  to "hot pen tip".

    At least, that's what it sounds like to me.   Or perhaps they just misheard their friend.

    But yeah, it'd be good to know why :)

    Yeah, maybe. I edited my comment to tone it down a bit. But even that doesn't explain it, that's a poor way of describing a digitizer pen of any kind I'm aware of.
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  • Reply 211 of 213
    hmmhmm Posts: 3,405member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post





    1) Thanks for the technology lesson. (Does that read sarcastically? It's not suppose to.)



    2) Wow! That is a crazy high price per unit. At those prices I wouldn't expect to see them in an iDevice. I knew it used to be expensive but I had hoped that the Galaxy Note was a sign that the cost had dramatically decreased. Any word on which digitizer or accuracy of the Note devices?


     


    Wacom's 24" display + graphics tablet cintiqs retail for around $2500, and complaints of dead pixels or other issues have kept me away. I've had problems with their recent products. The intuos 3s had a cord pinch issue. It would pinch where the usb cable exited the tablet, and fixing this meant sending it into their service department at a 10-15 working day turnaround after they receive it. The 4 had a weak solder connection. The 5 no longer has a removable surface. I've avoided it as I've always worn out surfaces in the past. I didn't wish to deal with that kind of thing in a more expensive capacity. If we saw something like a touch screen imac with a really robust third party stand and a compatible Wacom digitizer pen, I'd be extremely interested. The wacom stand is rugged and minimizes any kind of bowing when pressure is applied. It's a nice step over their older ones, and being able to angle a display for drawing is invaluable. I have difficulty maintaining smooth vertical strokes, as they involve a lot of outward motion. It's much more comfortable angled. I tested this with the intuos on my lap, but obviously I couldn't work that way. Typically I get around this by rotating the canvas in whatever program I'm using at the time. I think Wacom could sell tons of digitizer pens for devices like this if they offer decent ergonomics and some improvement in accuracy over competing devices. They've never been inexpensive, and yet they've maintained sales for a lot of years.

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  • Reply 212 of 213
    jeffdm wrote: »
    Why do you keep calling it a hot pen tip? You know what hot pen tips are used for? Wood burning crafts.
    No, I did not that is nice to know however.
    kdarling wrote: »
    Maybe they're not a native English speaker, and/or have somehow translated "reactive/ electric pen tip"  to "hot pen tip".

    At least, that's what it sounds like to me.   Or perhaps they just misheard their friend.

    But yeah, it'd be good to know why :)
    Here is why, I am sure there are a few other ways yet I prefer heating up a pen tip myself, and using it ok, no need to complain on what I meant.
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  • Reply 213 of 213


    Somehow, the industry tends to choose a direction and sheepishly keep to it. Doesn't mean Apple has to do the same.

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