All the current styluses for the iPad are just acting like "fake fingers," with the exception of the new one that I mentioned from a third party with a third party API (can't remember the name just now). In other words they aren't really styluses at all.
The Galaxy Note uses a "real" stylus that's pressure sensitive and works in concert with your fingers, not just as another finger. Basically it works like a Wacom stylus.
This is comparing apples to oranges. iPad mini is not a phone. Samsung Note series are smartphones. Note is being subsidized heavily by AT&T and Verizon. This is Samsung's marketing strategy.
No, actually its not just smartphones. They have the galaxy Note 10.1 which can have cellular capabilities, but was first sold as a wifi tablet.
I have never once thought, "Wow, I could really use a stylus right now"
Oh, I did.
I received a cheap Android tablet as a prize and its screen was so insensitive that using it with your fingers was almost impossible, so you had to use the enclosed stylus. When the stylus was lost, I said "Wow, I could really use a stylus right now".
Of course, I doubt if that's what Gazoobee had in mind.
"Samsung has already taken cues from Apple -- both in product design and marketing -- as it seeks to build a high-value brand for itself, one approaching that of its main rival."
This should really read: "Samsung has already copied from Apple -- both in product design and marketing -- as it seeks to build a low-value brand for itself, one stealing from that of its main rival."
I think he might mean a digitizer by "adding stylus capability." I'd certainly like to see that added despite having no interest myself in using an iPad that way.
Sony has a new Xperia Tablet Z coming to market that is thinner than the iPad mini. Still dislike the 16:9 aspect ratio but it looks nice. No word yet on if it will come to the US.
All the current styluses for the iPad are just acting like "fake fingers," with the exception of the new one that I mentioned from a third party with a third party API (can't remember the name just now). In other words they aren't really styluses at all.
The Galaxy Note uses a "real" stylus that's pressure sensitive and works in concert with your fingers, not just as another finger. Basically it works like a Wacom stylus.
I'm curious. How many folks using that Note with its 'real' stylus have gotten on the cover of the New Yorker.
I guess a few more variations can't hurt, right? I mean, there has to be a huge difference between the Galaxy Note 10.1 and the Galaxy Tab 2 10.1 to make and market both? You know, I think this opens the door for them to make a Galaxy Tab 2 8 (8.0??) now, since they appear to like to pair a Galaxy Note with a Galaxy Tab.
It seems Samsung are too. Someone posted this on TheVerge forums:
2.80 Galaxy 5/Europa
3.14 Galaxy Mini
3.20 Galaxy 3/Apollo
3.50 Galaxy Ace
3.65 Galaxy Player 3.6
4.00 Galaxy S, S III Mini, Player 4.0
4.20 Galaxy Player 4.2
4.27 Galaxy S II
4.50 Galaxy S II Skyrocket, Infuse 4G
4.52 Galaxy S II Epic 4G Touch
4.65 Galaxy S II HD LTE, Galaxy Nexus
4.80 Galaxy S III
5.00 Galaxy Player 5.0
5.29 Galaxy Note
5.55 Galaxy Note II
5.80 Galaxy Player 5.8
7.00 Galaxy Tab, Tab 7.0 Plus, Tab 2 7.0
7.70 Galaxy Tab 7.7
8.00 Galaxy Note 8.0?
8.90 Galaxy Tab 8.9
10.10 Galaxy Tab 10.1, Tab 2 10.1, Note 10.1
... and of course the Nexus 10 aaaaand this (8.0). And this are only the Galaxy branded ones...
Reminds me of the Pro Hart carpet tvc's from years back, except the gunk thrown onto the carpet here doesn't coalesce into any discernible image. Just a mess.
I'm curious. How many folks using that Note with its 'real' stylus have gotten on the cover of the New Yorker.
It would be interesting to know how many Note users take advantage of the digitizer. It seems to have merit even if it will be a seldom-used option on the device.
No, actually its not just smartphones. They have the galaxy Note 10.1 which can have cellular capabilities, but was first sold as a wifi tablet.
Do you know cellular capabilities is not the same as using a phone? For your info iPad mini also have cellular capabilities but it can not be used as a phone. I was saying Samsung Note/Note II are marketed as a smartphone and receive lots of subsidy from AT&T and Verizon.
"Samsung has already taken cues from Apple -- both in product design and marketing -- as it seeks to build a high-value brand for itself, one approaching that of its main rival."
This should really read: "Samsung has already copied from Apple -- both in product design and marketing -- as it seeks to build a low-value brand for itself, one stealing from that of its main rival."
Well most don't need it, but if you want to draw (I do obviously), it's essential.
All we can do now is fingerprint, which is fun, but not very productive.
If most (which is probably 95%) then don't include it! If you need one, buy one, and one that BEST fits your needs. It's that simple.
It seems Samsung are too. Someone posted this on TheVerge forums:
[*] 2.80 Galaxy 5/Europa
[*] 3.14 Galaxy Mini
[*] 3.20 Galaxy 3/Apollo
[*] 3.50 Galaxy Ace
[*] 3.65 Galaxy Player 3.6
[*] 4.00 Galaxy S, S III Mini, Player 4.0
[*] 4.20 Galaxy Player 4.2
[*] 4.27 Galaxy S II
[*] 4.50 Galaxy S II Skyrocket, Infuse 4G
[*] 4.52 Galaxy S II Epic 4G Touch
[*] 4.65 Galaxy S II HD LTE, Galaxy Nexus
[*] 4.80 Galaxy S III
[*] 5.00 Galaxy Player 5.0
[*] 5.29 Galaxy Note
[*] 5.55 Galaxy Note II
[*] 5.80 Galaxy Player 5.8
[*] 7.00 Galaxy Tab, Tab 7.0 Plus, Tab 2 7.0
[*] 7.70 Galaxy Tab 7.7
[*] 8.00 Galaxy Note 8.0?
[*] 8.90 Galaxy Tab 8.9
[*] 10.10 Galaxy Tab 10.1, Tab 2 10.1, Note 10.1
... and of course the Nexus 10 aaaaand this (8.0). And this are only the Galaxy branded ones...
Sammy is the master of the sh!tgun approach. Note it's not shotgun as the buckshot actually causes damage. Most of Sammy's products are just pure crap.
Now wait a second. This has the same resolution as the Galaxy Tab 10.1 in a smaller screen size meaning the picture should be better. So are the haters that complained about the iPad Mini resolution going to take back their complaints since the Mini has the same resolution as an iPad 2, but in a smaller screen as well?
No. I stand by my complaint that the iPad mini resolution sucks (FOR ME). And I wouldn't buy this thing either if only for this reason.
I love the mini form factor. I love how light it is. But I HATE the resolution. I have said time and again I don't think the 7" form factor is ideal for an iPad, and that is absolutely true for me. I have to zoom web pages constantly to read them, not a problem with the full iPad. Some links are entirely too small to accurately press with my fingers by default. Standard and smaller text is likewise entirely too small to be legible at this resolution, appearing quite jaggy. Much of the New York Times front page default layout is illegible to me. These are all problems with the mini, but not the iPad with Retina. And the thumb detection technology ain't all it's cracked up to be either. But that's me and how I use the iPad. In fact, I have an original iPad as well, and I have fewer of these problems with it than I do on the mini, despite having technically lower resolution because the display is larger.
When the mini with Retina display comes out, I have no doubt I will love it. But I will still need to zoom on far more pages than not in order to read and select some links. And at the end of the day, a thinner, lighter full sized iPad will be much better for my needs.
What other people need or accept is irrelevant to me. And I'm not the only person who feels this way about Retina display. As an entry level device it's terrific. But that's what it is, beyond the fact it may be more convenient for some over the full-sized iPad.
Sony is coming out with a 46" TV, let's make one that is 47"
Next...
iPad Mini seems to be selling well...
What size was it?
7.9".
Let's make one at 8", and we will call it Galaxy Note 8!
Mind you, Samsung released 7" Galaxy Tab back in 2010. One could argue that, in reducing size for iPad Mini, Apple actually followed mini tablets trend set by likes of Samsung, Amazon and B&N...
There are full sized 10" tablets and then the smaller 7" (or so) tablets for folks who want to minify.
And then there is Samsung... who decides to have their "mini" tab be hardly any different in size than the full size version?
LOL
Its like they are memory challenged.
I can hear the Samsung headquarters during R&D:
Samsung hardware Chief: "Our Tab is failing against the mighty iPad that it was knocked off from, but the iPad Mini has had criticism. Let's explore that vulnerability with our own 'Tab Mini!' It will compete head on with the iPad Mini, but be an inch BIGGER! mwahahahaha!"
Voice of Reason: "excuse me sir, if I may humbly add a thought to this wonderfully thought out plan of domination... if we make the Tab Mini bigger than the iPad Mini, we may face comparison to the full size iPad and our own full size Tab instead. That may not be favorable..."
Samsung Hardware Chief: ... You just don't understand why we do what we do.
One has to wonder why Samsung feels the need to be blatantly stupid in their desire to compete with Apple. I guess anything goes, especially if you can get away with blatant IP theft and hardware/software design plagiarism...
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee
All the current styluses for the iPad are just acting like "fake fingers," with the exception of the new one that I mentioned from a third party with a third party API (can't remember the name just now). In other words they aren't really styluses at all.
The Galaxy Note uses a "real" stylus that's pressure sensitive and works in concert with your fingers, not just as another finger. Basically it works like a Wacom stylus.
1. The Pogo Connect is available now: http://www.tenonedesign.com/connect.php
2. The Jot Touch is due soon: http://adonit.net/jot/touch/
Cheers
Quote:
Originally Posted by tzeshan
This is comparing apples to oranges. iPad mini is not a phone. Samsung Note series are smartphones. Note is being subsidized heavily by AT&T and Verizon. This is Samsung's marketing strategy.
No, actually its not just smartphones. They have the galaxy Note 10.1 which can have cellular capabilities, but was first sold as a wifi tablet.
Oh, I did.
I received a cheap Android tablet as a prize and its screen was so insensitive that using it with your fingers was almost impossible, so you had to use the enclosed stylus. When the stylus was lost, I said "Wow, I could really use a stylus right now".
Of course, I doubt if that's what Gazoobee had in mind.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gazoobee
This is great because it's more reason for Apple to compete by (finally!) adding stylus capability to the iPad lineup.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/10/2925937/best-stylus-ipad-review
"Samsung has already taken cues from Apple -- both in product design and marketing -- as it seeks to build a high-value brand for itself, one approaching that of its main rival."
This should really read: "Samsung has already copied from Apple -- both in product design and marketing -- as it seeks to build a low-value brand for itself, one stealing from that of its main rival."
I think he might mean a digitizer by "adding stylus capability." I'd certainly like to see that added despite having no interest myself in using an iPad that way.
• http://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-sony-xperia-tablet-z-thin-ipad-mini-20130121,0,951583.story
Stylus capability has been there since the first iPhone. Just not the kind you want.
I'm curious. How many folks using that Note with its 'real' stylus have gotten on the cover of the New Yorker.
Over the last 2 years:
Galaxy Note 10.1
Galaxy Note 8
Nexus 10
Galaxy Tab 2 10.1
Galaxy Tab 2 7.0
Galaxy Tab 10.1
Galaxy Tab 8.9
Galaxy Tab 7.7
Galaxy Tab 7.0 Plus
Galaxy Tab
I'm sure there are more/others i've missed. And these are just the Android tablets.
Originally Posted by Jonteponte
It seems Samsung are too. Someone posted this on TheVerge forums:
2.80 Galaxy 5/Europa
3.14 Galaxy Mini
3.20 Galaxy 3/Apollo
3.50 Galaxy Ace
3.65 Galaxy Player 3.6
4.00 Galaxy S, S III Mini, Player 4.0
4.20 Galaxy Player 4.2
4.27 Galaxy S II
4.50 Galaxy S II Skyrocket, Infuse 4G
4.52 Galaxy S II Epic 4G Touch
4.65 Galaxy S II HD LTE, Galaxy Nexus
4.80 Galaxy S III
5.00 Galaxy Player 5.0
5.29 Galaxy Note
5.55 Galaxy Note II
5.80 Galaxy Player 5.8
7.00 Galaxy Tab, Tab 7.0 Plus, Tab 2 7.0
7.70 Galaxy Tab 7.7
8.00 Galaxy Note 8.0?
8.90 Galaxy Tab 8.9
10.10 Galaxy Tab 10.1, Tab 2 10.1, Note 10.1
... and of course the Nexus 10 aaaaand this (8.0). And this are only the Galaxy branded ones...
Reminds me of the Pro Hart carpet tvc's from years back, except the gunk thrown onto the carpet here doesn't coalesce into any discernible image. Just a mess.
"Freedom to choose!" - laugh out loud.
It would be interesting to know how many Note users take advantage of the digitizer. It seems to have merit even if it will be a seldom-used option on the device.
Quote:
Originally Posted by trd105
No, actually its not just smartphones. They have the galaxy Note 10.1 which can have cellular capabilities, but was first sold as a wifi tablet.
Do you know cellular capabilities is not the same as using a phone? For your info iPad mini also have cellular capabilities but it can not be used as a phone. I was saying Samsung Note/Note II are marketed as a smartphone and receive lots of subsidy from AT&T and Verizon.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mechanic
"Samsung has already taken cues from Apple -- both in product design and marketing -- as it seeks to build a high-value brand for itself, one approaching that of its main rival."
This should really read: "Samsung has already copied from Apple -- both in product design and marketing -- as it seeks to build a low-value brand for itself, one stealing from that of its main rival."
All too true.
Originally Posted by Jonteponte
It seems Samsung are too. Someone posted this on TheVerge forums:
[*] 2.80 Galaxy 5/Europa
[*] 3.14 Galaxy Mini
[*] 3.20 Galaxy 3/Apollo
[*] 3.50 Galaxy Ace
[*] 3.65 Galaxy Player 3.6
[*] 4.00 Galaxy S, S III Mini, Player 4.0
[*] 4.20 Galaxy Player 4.2
[*] 4.27 Galaxy S II
[*] 4.50 Galaxy S II Skyrocket, Infuse 4G
[*] 4.52 Galaxy S II Epic 4G Touch
[*] 4.65 Galaxy S II HD LTE, Galaxy Nexus
[*] 4.80 Galaxy S III
[*] 5.00 Galaxy Player 5.0
[*] 5.29 Galaxy Note
[*] 5.55 Galaxy Note II
[*] 5.80 Galaxy Player 5.8
[*] 7.00 Galaxy Tab, Tab 7.0 Plus, Tab 2 7.0
[*] 7.70 Galaxy Tab 7.7
[*] 8.00 Galaxy Note 8.0?
[*] 8.90 Galaxy Tab 8.9
[*] 10.10 Galaxy Tab 10.1, Tab 2 10.1, Note 10.1
... and of course the Nexus 10 aaaaand this (8.0). And this are only the Galaxy branded ones...
Sammy is the master of the sh!tgun approach. Note it's not shotgun as the buckshot actually causes damage. Most of Sammy's products are just pure crap.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonteponte
It seems Samsung are too. Someone posted this on TheVerge forums:
2.80 Galaxy 5/Europa
3.14 Galaxy Mini
... etc
Of course, that's a list of devices over several years, not the display sizes available right now.
Still, it shows how a resolution independent UI allows a wider choice in sizes and resolution with resorting to pixel doubling or unused black strips.
I love the mini form factor. I love how light it is. But I HATE the resolution. I have said time and again I don't think the 7" form factor is ideal for an iPad, and that is absolutely true for me. I have to zoom web pages constantly to read them, not a problem with the full iPad. Some links are entirely too small to accurately press with my fingers by default. Standard and smaller text is likewise entirely too small to be legible at this resolution, appearing quite jaggy. Much of the New York Times front page default layout is illegible to me. These are all problems with the mini, but not the iPad with Retina. And the thumb detection technology ain't all it's cracked up to be either. But that's me and how I use the iPad. In fact, I have an original iPad as well, and I have fewer of these problems with it than I do on the mini, despite having technically lower resolution because the display is larger.
When the mini with Retina display comes out, I have no doubt I will love it. But I will still need to zoom on far more pages than not in order to read and select some links. And at the end of the day, a thinner, lighter full sized iPad will be much better for my needs.
What other people need or accept is irrelevant to me. And I'm not the only person who feels this way about Retina display. As an entry level device it's terrific. But that's what it is, beyond the fact it may be more convenient for some over the full-sized iPad.
Mind you, Samsung released 7" Galaxy Tab back in 2010. One could argue that, in reducing size for iPad Mini, Apple actually followed mini tablets trend set by likes of Samsung, Amazon and B&N...
There are full sized 10" tablets and then the smaller 7" (or so) tablets for folks who want to minify.
And then there is Samsung... who decides to have their "mini" tab be hardly any different in size than the full size version?
LOL
Its like they are memory challenged.
I can hear the Samsung headquarters during R&D:
Samsung hardware Chief: "Our Tab is failing against the mighty iPad that it was knocked off from, but the iPad Mini has had criticism. Let's explore that vulnerability with our own 'Tab Mini!' It will compete head on with the iPad Mini, but be an inch BIGGER! mwahahahaha!"
Voice of Reason: "excuse me sir, if I may humbly add a thought to this wonderfully thought out plan of domination... if we make the Tab Mini bigger than the iPad Mini, we may face comparison to the full size iPad and our own full size Tab instead. That may not be favorable..."
Samsung Hardware Chief: ... You just don't understand why we do what we do.
One has to wonder why Samsung feels the need to be blatantly stupid in their desire to compete with Apple. I guess anything goes, especially if you can get away with blatant IP theft and hardware/software design plagiarism...