Who is this new Apple that comments on products before they're officially unveiled?!
The FCC already blew the secret and the blogs are going nuts. In light of 'missed expectations' dropping the stock recently it makes sense for Apple to publicly tell folks to slow their roll. Sure it might not be what Steve would have done but. . .
As for the processor, I don't think as Neil suggests it has anything to do with production of the chip but rather stability of the system and possibility an upcoming feature they aren't ready to announce. Maybe the new chip they are using is 802.11ac compat when they are ready to turn on that use but they aren't just yet cause they don't have their routers ready. But they do flip it the whole system needs a better processor. Who knows
I have the 3 Apple TV 3s and can easily imagine reasons to replace them. Here is my wish list for what information we know so far:
-Applications (Larger SSD- the current 8gb isn't near enough- 16gb would be adequate, 32gb preferred). You can't have Apps with the current device because of size limitations.
-Stream internet TV- whether it be Vios or U-verse. As mentioned in this thread- they could even do a cable company.
-Built in DVR if it has internet TV (again- with 32gb, this would be attainable. Or at the very least, a software tweak to be able to record and store on a Mac).
-Better search functionality via remote. Specifically Siri. Remote looks the same with an additional button you hold, it mutes what you're watching (or turns down substantially), and you tell it what to do or search for.
Software related:
-Unified search across all applications (Even if they dont have apps- this should happen).
-If no apps, add some other ones- like Amazon, HBO, Pandora, CNN, ESPN, or other popular ones.
I'd gladly not only replace my ATVs, but pay more in the process ($199). By the way- this would make this the best box in the market. By a mile. There is absolutely no reason why Apple shouldn't have all the above on the next release (with the exception of internet TV- which is just a wish, but possible).
I think your reasoning is a bit off.
There is a reason why some of this stuff wouldn't be on the next AppleTV.
1) Since there is currently no content on an AppleTV that you do not already own or own the streaming rights to, a DVR functionality is completely redundant.
2) Unified search requires either an Internet browser (to search all the varied services not owned or operated by Apple), or only makes sense in the presence of apps (lots and lots of apps).
3) Adding different services/sources like CNN etc. requires their permission. Do you really not think they have already been asked and refused?
4) Siri only makes sense in the same way as unified search.
Basically, you want Apps, and you want Internet TV, and all your other "wants" are based on that.
The general consensus so far on Apps is that they make no sense on a TV, are better off streaming from your iPad or iPhone where they already reside, and attempts to build Apps into TV's have all failed miserably up to now (see Samsung's latest "smart TV with Apps" and reviews of same). it seems at least so far, that people don't actually want to Tweet or Facebook from their TV.
Internet TV (by which you probably mean streaming of cable over the Internet to devices like an AppleTV), is something a lot of people are working on. Maybe Apple is as well, who knows? But the jury is not only still out on that one, they haven't even been picked for duty yet.
It's far more likely that you will see those cable companies showing up on TV's as Apps like Netflix, than as streaming services. It doesn't make sense to stream cable TV when it would the programming would be disconnected from the time of day or day of the week anyway. Similarly it makes no sense to "DVR" a streamed cable broadcast, since it's digitised before streaming, and is already "time shifted" and available to anyone at any time in the first place
Who is this new Apple that comments on products before they're officially unveiled?!
It is the Apple that is being forced to deal with an FCC leak and an Apple that wants to keep selling Apple TVs. It also wants to manage expectations that might emerge as a consequence of the leak.
As mentioned in this thread- they could even do a cable company.
Why would Apple do a cable service when they have store. 'Itunes in the cloud' is basically your DVR. Improve pricing, timing etc is all they really need on that front.
Am I the only one that doesn't want the next Apple TV to be smaller? The thing is a hockey puck now.
As someone suggested in a related thread: velcro.
I am sure Apple is doing this because they are experimenting with getting it down to the smallest and thinnest form factor possible, so as to be able to stick it into a thinnest-possible 65-inch plasma monitor......
In his interview with Brian Williams, Cook dodged the questions pretty well but said the TV is an area of "intense interest." Then we have an FCC filing and Apple is tripping over themselves to explain it's a spec bump? I don't buy it.
Who says Cook was talking about hardware. He could have been talking about content. They need that really firmly in order before the hardware will matter.
Not to mention that 'intense interest' doesn't necessarily mean anything more than that. It might not be the wink wink conformation that Apple is making a real TV that some are reading into it
I am sure Apple is doing this because they are experimenting with getting it down to the smallest and thinnest form factor possible, so as to be able to stick it into a thinnest-possible 65-inch plasma monitor...... :D
Yeah, I need to buy Velco. I tried last night but all I had was a nail gun. I also need to buy another Apple TV.
Who says Cook was talking about hardware. He could have been talking about content. They need that really firmly in order before the hardware will matter.
Not to mention that 'intense interest' doesn't necessarily mean anything more than that. It might not be the wink wink conformation that Apple is making a real TV that some are reading into it
As noted yesterday Roku has a much less capable HW and they are getting streaming content from Time Warner Cable.
The filing is clearly because of the new WiFi/BT radios which has to be tested. The casing change is inconsequential to the filing but they would have had to submit it with that change for this to make sense.
I wouldn't mind a smaller (and cheaper) Apple TV if it's a secondary option for your guest bedroom TV while there is a larger, more feature rich option (perhaps as an HDTV or a base station) in your living room. I feel there is a huge gap for the Winter/Spring because of all the updates last Autumn so I wouldn't be surprised to see a new product category get announced in the next few months.
I won't mind smaller, but it's not as if it's a bulky device. I think it weighs less than the cables attached to it.
The only thing I really want is to make the Netflix app automatically play the next episode. The PS3 Netflix app plays the next episode automatically, press a button to skip the end credits to move on to the next episode. On Apple TV, the clumsy navigation means five button presses to play the next episode.
Who is this new Apple that comments on products before they're officially unveiled?!
because stating it's just minor tweaks and not any new functionality after the FCC leak helps ensure people don't stop buying the old model to wait for the newer one. That's the second recent leak that had a quick response, the other was the 128gig iPad being released right after it likely existence was first discovered.
In his interview with Brian Williams, Cook dodged the questions pretty well but said the TV is an area of "intense interest." Then we have an FCC filing and Apple is tripping over themselves to explain it's a spec bump? I don't buy it.
As someone said, either this is a misdirect - or the new Apple is a bit too open and/or worried about stock fluctuations.
Intense interest? It sounds like they don't know what to do next, although a lot of people are asking for more content and apps.....
My AppleTV is just my Netflix box. Don't really use it for anything else. It needs to be more like Roku. More content. Where's the Amazon streaming app? Other content apps? Hello?
Apple seems to be getting slower and slower with ideas and innovations and new features in their products. Sad.
There is a reason why some of this stuff wouldn't be on the next AppleTV.
1) Since there is currently no content on an AppleTV that you do not already own or own the streaming rights to, a DVR functionality is completely redundant.
2) Unified search requires either an Internet browser (to search all the varied services not owned or operated by Apple), or only makes sense in the presence of apps (lots and lots of apps).
3) Adding different services/sources like CNN etc. requires their permission. Do you really not think they have already been asked and refused?
4) Siri only makes sense in the same way as unified search.
Basically, you want Apps, and you want Internet TV, and all your other "wants" are based on that.
The general consensus so far on Apps is that they make no sense on a TV, are better off streaming from your iPad or iPhone where they already reside, and attempts to build Apps into TV's have all failed miserably up to now (see Samsung's latest "smart TV with Apps" and reviews of same). it seems at least so far, that people don't actually want to Tweet or Facebook from their TV.
Internet TV (by which you probably mean streaming of cable over the Internet to devices like an AppleTV), is something a lot of people are working on. Maybe Apple is as well, who knows? But the jury is not only still out on that one, they haven't even been picked for duty yet.
It's far more likely that you will see those cable companies showing up on TV's as Apps like Netflix, than as streaming services. It doesn't make sense to stream cable TV when it would the programming would be disconnected from the time of day or day of the week anyway. Similarly it makes no sense to "DVR" a streamed cable broadcast, since it's digitised before streaming, and is already "time shifted" and available to anyone at any time in the first place
1- As I mentioned, DVR would only be useful with Internet TV- like all cable companies/boxes have currently.
2- unified search is the key difference that makes Apple TV jaw-dropping. Apple TV has Internet access- as does all the current applications. If they had a requirement to allow searching via all your log-ins, you could search for "sons of anarchy" and see that you can stream nothing on hulu, seasons 1-4 on Netflix, or purchase seasons 1-5 on iTunes. If they add amazon, or other apps- you'd see it there. If they added uverse, you can see that next Sunday at 7pm you can record to your DVR (apple TV).
3- no- I don't think they allow it. Why is amazon on every other streamer? They have an agenda? Maybe. But then Why is HBO on every other streamer? Or pandora (or any music streamer). It's apple holding out. Not the other companies.
4- Siri works with unified search.
Apps make perfect sense on a TV. Maybe not Facebook or twitter, but sportscenter or media apps such as HBO/Showtime/amazon, or music streamers or BBc streamer for UK. How about apps like Vimeo or Instagram or even a Facebook that can show slideshows of pictures while you listen to music. The market can be done. You mention smart tvs. Ya. They suck. But roku is successful and the best streamer out there specifically because it allows apps. Apps aren't bad- roku proves it.
As to your last point- 2 things. 1, sports need DVR- NFL isn't going to allow an app to just replay whatever game you want. 2, you counter no DVR with having apps to replace the need. Yet you previously said apps don't work. Can't have your cake and eat it too.
Intense interest? It sounds like they don't know what to do next, although a lot of people are asking for more content and apps.....
A "lot" are asking for apps? Just take a look at any one of the related threads: it's just a few whiners.
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Originally Posted by pfisher
My AppleTV is just my Netflix box. Don't really use it for anything else. It needs to be more like Roku. More content. Where's the Amazon streaming app? Other content apps? Hello?
Just buy a Roku then, and get on with life. If you're not using @TV for all of its fabulous functionality -- given your needs and preferences -- that is not Apple's problem. Hello?
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Originally Posted by pfisher
Apple seems to be getting slower and slower with ideas and innovations and new features in their products. Sad.
Intense interest? It sounds like they don't know what to do next, although a lot of people are asking for more content and apps.....
My AppleTV is just my Netflix box. Don't really use it for anything else. It needs to be more like Roku. More content. Where's the Amazon streaming app? Other content apps? Hello?
Apple seems to be getting slower and slower with ideas and innovations and new features in their products. Sad.
Exactly. I got my Mom a Roku 2 XD a few months back while they were on sale for $50 which is a great deal. I was so impressed with all the content. Once you discover the private channel lists, there is an amazing amount of content. It even plays a lot of really simple games as well. The iPhone Roku app is also very nice.
What good is a new and improved Apple TV as long as they limit the content to so few channels? Most people simply don't think getting content from iTunes is a good deal. At least with Amazon prime you also get free shipping in addition to content. Apple needs to open up a bit more like Roku and add more channels and some games.
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The FCC already blew the secret and the blogs are going nuts. In light of 'missed expectations' dropping the stock recently it makes sense for Apple to publicly tell folks to slow their roll. Sure it might not be what Steve would have done but. . .
As for the processor, I don't think as Neil suggests it has anything to do with production of the chip but rather stability of the system and possibility an upcoming feature they aren't ready to announce. Maybe the new chip they are using is 802.11ac compat when they are ready to turn on that use but they aren't just yet cause they don't have their routers ready. But they do flip it the whole system needs a better processor. Who knows
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Originally Posted by Andysol
Mentioned this in the other thread:
I have the 3 Apple TV 3s and can easily imagine reasons to replace them. Here is my wish list for what information we know so far:
-Applications (Larger SSD- the current 8gb isn't near enough- 16gb would be adequate, 32gb preferred). You can't have Apps with the current device because of size limitations.
-Stream internet TV- whether it be Vios or U-verse. As mentioned in this thread- they could even do a cable company.
-Built in DVR if it has internet TV (again- with 32gb, this would be attainable. Or at the very least, a software tweak to be able to record and store on a Mac).
-Better search functionality via remote. Specifically Siri. Remote looks the same with an additional button you hold, it mutes what you're watching (or turns down substantially), and you tell it what to do or search for.
Software related:
-Unified search across all applications (Even if they dont have apps- this should happen).
-If no apps, add some other ones- like Amazon, HBO, Pandora, CNN, ESPN, or other popular ones.
I'd gladly not only replace my ATVs, but pay more in the process ($199). By the way- this would make this the best box in the market. By a mile. There is absolutely no reason why Apple shouldn't have all the above on the next release (with the exception of internet TV- which is just a wish, but possible).
I think your reasoning is a bit off.
There is a reason why some of this stuff wouldn't be on the next AppleTV.
1) Since there is currently no content on an AppleTV that you do not already own or own the streaming rights to, a DVR functionality is completely redundant.
2) Unified search requires either an Internet browser (to search all the varied services not owned or operated by Apple), or only makes sense in the presence of apps (lots and lots of apps).
3) Adding different services/sources like CNN etc. requires their permission. Do you really not think they have already been asked and refused?
4) Siri only makes sense in the same way as unified search.
Basically, you want Apps, and you want Internet TV, and all your other "wants" are based on that.
The general consensus so far on Apps is that they make no sense on a TV, are better off streaming from your iPad or iPhone where they already reside, and attempts to build Apps into TV's have all failed miserably up to now (see Samsung's latest "smart TV with Apps" and reviews of same). it seems at least so far, that people don't actually want to Tweet or Facebook from their TV.
Internet TV (by which you probably mean streaming of cable over the Internet to devices like an AppleTV), is something a lot of people are working on. Maybe Apple is as well, who knows? But the jury is not only still out on that one, they haven't even been picked for duty yet.
It's far more likely that you will see those cable companies showing up on TV's as Apps like Netflix, than as streaming services. It doesn't make sense to stream cable TV when it would the programming would be disconnected from the time of day or day of the week anyway. Similarly it makes no sense to "DVR" a streamed cable broadcast, since it's digitised before streaming, and is already "time shifted" and available to anyone at any time in the first place
It is the Apple that is being forced to deal with an FCC leak and an Apple that wants to keep selling Apple TVs. It also wants to manage expectations that might emerge as a consequence of the leak.
Why would Apple do a cable service when they have store. 'Itunes in the cloud' is basically your DVR. Improve pricing, timing etc is all they really need on that front.
"Blank! BLANK! You're not looking at the big picture!"
That's so going in my sig.
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Originally Posted by whoda
Am I the only one that doesn't want the next Apple TV to be smaller? The thing is a hockey puck now.
As someone suggested in a related thread: velcro.
I am sure Apple is doing this because they are experimenting with getting it down to the smallest and thinnest form factor possible, so as to be able to stick it into a thinnest-possible 65-inch plasma monitor......
Who says Cook was talking about hardware. He could have been talking about content. They need that really firmly in order before the hardware will matter.
Not to mention that 'intense interest' doesn't necessarily mean anything more than that. It might not be the wink wink conformation that Apple is making a real TV that some are reading into it
Yeah, I need to buy Velco. I tried last night but all I had was a nail gun. I also need to buy another Apple TV.
As noted yesterday Roku has a much less capable HW and they are getting streaming content from Time Warner Cable.
I won't mind smaller, but it's not as if it's a bulky device. I think it weighs less than the cables attached to it.
The only thing I really want is to make the Netflix app automatically play the next episode. The PS3 Netflix app plays the next episode automatically, press a button to skip the end credits to move on to the next episode. On Apple TV, the clumsy navigation means five button presses to play the next episode.
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Originally Posted by allenbf
Who is this new Apple that comments on products before they're officially unveiled?!
because stating it's just minor tweaks and not any new functionality after the FCC leak helps ensure people don't stop buying the old model to wait for the newer one. That's the second recent leak that had a quick response, the other was the 128gig iPad being released right after it likely existence was first discovered.
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy
I call BS on the coffee grinder
But.... but... but... DigiTimes says it's so.
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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton
Apple: damned if they do, damned if they don't.
Amazon: Dammed only on its small tributaries in Brazil.
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Originally Posted by whoda
Am I the only one that doesn't want the next Apple TV to be smaller? The thing is a hockey puck now.
I want it down to this size with an RF remote and power over HDMI. Also HDMI 1.4 with 3D and an App Store.
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Originally Posted by allenbf
In his interview with Brian Williams, Cook dodged the questions pretty well but said the TV is an area of "intense interest." Then we have an FCC filing and Apple is tripping over themselves to explain it's a spec bump? I don't buy it.
As someone said, either this is a misdirect - or the new Apple is a bit too open and/or worried about stock fluctuations.
Intense interest? It sounds like they don't know what to do next, although a lot of people are asking for more content and apps.....
My AppleTV is just my Netflix box. Don't really use it for anything else. It needs to be more like Roku. More content. Where's the Amazon streaming app? Other content apps? Hello?
Apple seems to be getting slower and slower with ideas and innovations and new features in their products. Sad.
2- unified search is the key difference that makes Apple TV jaw-dropping. Apple TV has Internet access- as does all the current applications. If they had a requirement to allow searching via all your log-ins, you could search for "sons of anarchy" and see that you can stream nothing on hulu, seasons 1-4 on Netflix, or purchase seasons 1-5 on iTunes. If they add amazon, or other apps- you'd see it there. If they added uverse, you can see that next Sunday at 7pm you can record to your DVR (apple TV).
3- no- I don't think they allow it. Why is amazon on every other streamer? They have an agenda? Maybe. But then Why is HBO on every other streamer? Or pandora (or any music streamer). It's apple holding out. Not the other companies.
4- Siri works with unified search.
Apps make perfect sense on a TV. Maybe not Facebook or twitter, but sportscenter or media apps such as HBO/Showtime/amazon, or music streamers or BBc streamer for UK. How about apps like Vimeo or Instagram or even a Facebook that can show slideshows of pictures while you listen to music. The market can be done. You mention smart tvs. Ya. They suck. But roku is successful and the best streamer out there specifically because it allows apps. Apps aren't bad- roku proves it.
As to your last point- 2 things. 1, sports need DVR- NFL isn't going to allow an app to just replay whatever game you want. 2, you counter no DVR with having apps to replace the need. Yet you previously said apps don't work. Can't have your cake and eat it too.
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Originally Posted by pfisher
Intense interest? It sounds like they don't know what to do next, although a lot of people are asking for more content and apps.....
A "lot" are asking for apps? Just take a look at any one of the related threads: it's just a few whiners.
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Originally Posted by pfisher
My AppleTV is just my Netflix box. Don't really use it for anything else. It needs to be more like Roku. More content. Where's the Amazon streaming app? Other content apps? Hello?
Just buy a Roku then, and get on with life. If you're not using @TV for all of its fabulous functionality -- given your needs and preferences -- that is not Apple's problem. Hello?
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Originally Posted by pfisher
Apple seems to be getting slower and slower with ideas and innovations and new features in their products. Sad.
Apple is Doomed.™
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Originally Posted by Andysol
Can't have your cake and eat it too.
I've always wondered about this saying: shouldn't it be more aptly phrased "Can't eat your cake and have it too"?
If I have a cake, I have the option to eat it. But if I've already eaten it, I don't have it?
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Originally Posted by pfisher
Intense interest? It sounds like they don't know what to do next, although a lot of people are asking for more content and apps.....
My AppleTV is just my Netflix box. Don't really use it for anything else. It needs to be more like Roku. More content. Where's the Amazon streaming app? Other content apps? Hello?
Apple seems to be getting slower and slower with ideas and innovations and new features in their products. Sad.
Exactly. I got my Mom a Roku 2 XD a few months back while they were on sale for $50 which is a great deal. I was so impressed with all the content. Once you discover the private channel lists, there is an amazing amount of content. It even plays a lot of really simple games as well. The iPhone Roku app is also very nice.
What good is a new and improved Apple TV as long as they limit the content to so few channels? Most people simply don't think getting content from iTunes is a good deal. At least with Amazon prime you also get free shipping in addition to content. Apple needs to open up a bit more like Roku and add more channels and some games.