I think Apple has lost more than Samsung in this war.....
Apple won one big battle in the war with the judgment against them in California, but in my opinion they are losing a public relations war.
However, regardless of outcome of this lawsuit, I do not think that anyone can argue that Samsung got a title wave of free publicity as a result of this war. I
think the sale boost in the Galaxy Phones is a direct result of this publicity. I do not think Apple will ever get much $$$ out of Samsung after the appeals
work their way through the courts. However, if they do have to give Apple a huge payout, it may very well be the best advertising dollars that they have ever spent....
Jobs might well have picked the right analogy.... "A strange game, the only winning move is not to play."
How many people purchasing smartphones do you think are even aware of the lawsuit? I'd guess it's less than 1%.
So Apple has NOTHING but GOOD things said about them in the media? Are you serious?
Citation needed.
No it's not all good but their products do receive adulations from the media like nothing else.
If you want a citation just turn your TV on next iPhone launch day and you'll have citations coming out of your ears.
I think Apple has lost more than Samsung in this war.....
Apple won one big battle in the war with the judgment against them in California, but in my opinion they are losing a public relations war.
However, regardless of outcome of this lawsuit, I do not think that anyone can argue that Samsung got a title wave of free publicity as a result of this war. I
think the sale boost in the Galaxy Phones is a direct result of this publicity. I do not think Apple will ever get much $$$ out of Samsung after the appeals
work their way through the courts. However, if they do have to give Apple a huge payout, it may very well be the best advertising dollars that they have ever spent....
Jobs might well have picked the right analogy.... "A strange game, the only winning move is not to play."
Well it's hardly surprising is it. The context of Job's 'thermo-nuclear' remark was riling against the stolen product ... the OS/advertising cash-cow that is Android ... against Google. Apple has been aiming it's legal-missiles against device manufacturers/android licencees. A few, but most against Samsung as the design of their hardware has aped the iPhone/Pad/Pod-touch closer than others. I'm not a lawyer (thankfully), but I have heard the reasons commonly trotted out for this.
Yet now articles like the above, and in the media reporting in general, Samsung is now as the 'enemy'. Even dealing a direct killer blow to Samsung ($1 ain't gonna hurt that much) and Motorola, LG, HTC et al will leap into the gap.
No it's not all good but their products do receive adulations from the media like nothing else.
If you want a citation just turn your TV on next iPhone launch day and you'll have citations coming out of your ears.
I put this in my edited post above, but I'd really like to see an objective breakdown of pro- to anti-Apple news pieces (with all citations, all sources linked, and an explanation for categorization of EVERY SINGLE link chosen in the pool) to see the proportion of good to bad in the last ten years.
In summary, Steven P. Jobs's three corporations running as a founder/ceo gave him infinite more insight than Tim Cook, who is now realizing his mentor is correct and it is full-steam ahead to bury Samsung until they actually innovate on their own and stop using IP they later call ``obvious and thus shouldn't have patents, so we're not breaking the law,....''
Tim realizes now those private conversations with Steve that were far more explitive were spot on.
TSMC, Global Foundries, FOXConn are all in to help Apple out, not to mention Micron, Qualcomm, Broadcom and others to leave Samsung with not a single dime of contracts from Apple.
Steve being the "old dog" in the industry had seen it all train wreck before. Google is trying to be the new "Microsoft" with Android.. There's no way Steve was gonna let it happen to HIM again.
The article misses that Apple was throwing $500 million CASH upfront to Samsung in 2008 while Wall Street was bleeding out. That's loyalty, and owing Apple a BIG favor. When Steve calls the CEO and says "don't step on my toes", you call off the marketing dogs. It's the same problem with Google. You don't suddenly run ads against Apple's products, or hold services you rent to Apple hostage...
Apple won this round of being on top fair and square... Being more than generous with its partners. And absolutely stellar with executing 5-7 years of new products.
For Steve it WAS personal. How much map data would Google have if it weren't for iPhone users? How much did Samsung gain from Apple's investments when the rest of the industry stopped paying for R&D in 07-09?
Traditionally Apple plays by the most "normal" rules out of most tech "RockStar" companies. In other industries, tactics like Microsoft or Intel use would have put those bosses in jail a decade ago. Apple endured its own course through all that... Steve won.. He wants the enemies put down. Frankly, he should have just had them "off'd" he was going away anyway... Lets start true Cyber-Wars!!!
It's hard to argue Apple had any head start when they didn't even have a mobile phone until mid 2007 and no app store until a year later.
Yes but the ecosystem is much more than just apps. Are you not going to take into consideration all the music people purchased from iTunes during 2001-2007? Much of it with DRM restrictions.
Unless you are too lazy and just want to say what pleases you to make you feel better about a company you hate for no reason except your jealousy and wounded ego.
So you DELETED my post because of this? I disagreed with you!. That is why you deleted my post and this is proof! So what part of that deserved being deleted? If you disagreed with it why not reply and disagree with it? Instead you deleted it from the forum......wow..and you are a moderator? What abuse of power...so how many other peoples posts do you just delete because you disgaree with them?
"Tallest Skil wote"
Okay. This'll be fun. This is the part of your post that made me delete it:
EVERYONE knows there is NO negative press at Apple.......you know it too! So if there is soooo much negativity about Apple....it really hurts their bottom line huh? they are really hurting to make money huh? can you address that? they are the most highly profitable companies in the world selling products amid all that negativity huh? Yeah right! If Apple has all this negative press show me some!
geekdad, you're making yourself look foolish by posting the same complaint over and over again (and not making much sense while doing it). I'd actually like to read your original post so I can have a good laugh at what will undoubtedly be more gibberish.
well...here it is in Tallest Skil's own words....so did that deserved to be deleted? Why? What if he disagrees with sonething you write? Is it ok if just deletes it? Not open for debate....no notification or reason why it was deleted......yeah I kinda feel like everyone would not like that.
Tallest Skill wrote:
Okay. This'll be fun. This is the part of your post that made me delete it:
EVERYONE knows there is NO negative press at Apple.......you know it too! So if there is soooo much negativity about Apple....it really hurts their bottom line huh? they are really hurting to make money huh? can you address that? they are the most highly profitable companies in the world selling products amid all that negativity huh? Yeah right! If Apple has all this negative press show me some!
Do I disagree with your statement? Absolutely. Had you pitched it with conditions, however, that would be different. There was a time when you'd have to really look to find an anti-Apple piece, and then it would be built a statement from a competitor. But not anymore. I'd actually like to know the proportion of pro- to anti-Apple articles over the last, oh… let's say ten years. That would be interesting to see. Certainly you'd see a massive proportion of pro in the first five, but at roughly the halfway point, anti-Apple articles start to grow until the amount right now. I see them in even greater numbers, growing until roughly six months after the first new revolutionary product under Cook's management. There will always be positive press about Apple. Hopefully the positive starts to push back against the negative in the future. But to suggest there is no negative press about Apple as you have? Abject nonsense.
If you'll excuse me, reading all that crap has given me a headache. I'm going to lie down with my iPad and write another chapter of alternate history. Because contrary to the belief of some of those articles (and the current beliefs of even some of the people here), the iPad wasn't DOA (and can be used for real work).
Where is the whole post you deleted because you disagreed with it? Put the whole thing out here....not just your edited part. I replied to something you wrote and instead of replying or disagreeing with it you deleted it...... Talk about abuse of power....... You still have not given proof it violated any forum rules.....nothing. Just that you disagreed with it...
So you DELETED my post because of this? I disagreed with you!. That is why you deleted my post and this is proof!
Nope. I'm seriously starting to question your reading comprehension skills.
Originally Posted by geekdad
Put the whole thing out here....not just your edited part.
I edited nothing. The contents of that post have not been edited by anyone other than yourself. I explicitly stated right before the quote that it was a snippet of the post—not the entire thing—and it was the only part of the post with which I took issue. The rest of your post pertained to disagreements, with which I did not take issue.
I'm not having this discussion. Continue it in a PM if you wish.
Everytime AI repost this misleading/dishonest illustration I am forced to debunk it... [IMG ALT=""]http://forums.appleinsider.com/content/type/61/id/17985/width/350/height/700[/IMG] Samsung SGH-F700, introduced prior to the iPhone, aka prior art... "A Korean design patent for this black, rectangular, round-cornered phone was filed by Samsung in December 2006 prior to the release of the image of the iPhone".
C'mon man...really? Don't really care too much about Samsung pic. But if "The glove don't fit, you must acquit!!" Court documents are debunked all the time. Just saying.
Been reading this site for a long time and yes Geek you are correct. Tallest Skil will delete most posts that disagree with him or shine light on Apple in any negative way. Though I must ask you...."What did you expect?" You are posting on a pro Apple website. That's like posting pro Obama on a Fox News blog. As far as your comment that Apple gets NO negative press, Tallest Skil is right, they DO get negative press. Just look at the press in the past month while Apple's stock has tanked. Tallest Skil is knowledgeable but rarely admits any Apple shortcomings. He still likes to blame Samsung and Android for copying rather than Apple for being at snails pace with innovation lately. It's an interesting market right now, should be interesting to see how it plays out.
Yes but the ecosystem is much more than just apps. Are you not going to take into consideration all the music people purchased from iTunes during 2001-2007? Much of it with DRM restrictions.
Hmm... interesting point. I can see how those users might feel inclined to go with an Apple product because of DRM but how many iPhone users had never bought extensively from the iTMS? It seems overwhelmingly likely to me that most hadn't and therefore the iPhone was successful for the advancements it offered over existing tech.
Yes but the ecosystem is much more than just apps. Are you not going to take into consideration all the music people purchased from iTunes during 2001-2007? Much of it with DRM restrictions.
Hmm... interesting point. I can see how those users might feel inclined to go with an Apple product because of DRM but how many iPhone users had never bought extensively from the iTMS? It seems overwhelmingly likely to me that most hadn't and therefore the iPhone was successful for the advancements it offered over existing tech.
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It's hard to argue Apple had any head start when they didn't even have a mobile phone until mid 2007 and no app store until a year later.
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Originally Posted by sranger
I think Apple has lost more than Samsung in this war.....
Apple won one big battle in the war with the judgment against them in California, but in my opinion they are losing a public relations war.
However, regardless of outcome of this lawsuit, I do not think that anyone can argue that Samsung got a title wave of free publicity as a result of this war. I
think the sale boost in the Galaxy Phones is a direct result of this publicity. I do not think Apple will ever get much $$$ out of Samsung after the appeals
work their way through the courts. However, if they do have to give Apple a huge payout, it may very well be the best advertising dollars that they have ever spent....
Jobs might well have picked the right analogy.... "A strange game, the only winning move is not to play."
How many people purchasing smartphones do you think are even aware of the lawsuit? I'd guess it's less than 1%.
No it's not all good but their products do receive adulations from the media like nothing else.
If you want a citation just turn your TV on next iPhone launch day and you'll have citations coming out of your ears.
Quote:
Originally Posted by sranger
I think Apple has lost more than Samsung in this war.....
Apple won one big battle in the war with the judgment against them in California, but in my opinion they are losing a public relations war.
However, regardless of outcome of this lawsuit, I do not think that anyone can argue that Samsung got a title wave of free publicity as a result of this war. I
think the sale boost in the Galaxy Phones is a direct result of this publicity. I do not think Apple will ever get much $$$ out of Samsung after the appeals
work their way through the courts. However, if they do have to give Apple a huge payout, it may very well be the best advertising dollars that they have ever spent....
Jobs might well have picked the right analogy.... "A strange game, the only winning move is not to play."
Well it's hardly surprising is it. The context of Job's 'thermo-nuclear' remark was riling against the stolen product ... the OS/advertising cash-cow that is Android ... against Google. Apple has been aiming it's legal-missiles against device manufacturers/android licencees. A few, but most against Samsung as the design of their hardware has aped the iPhone/Pad/Pod-touch closer than others. I'm not a lawyer (thankfully), but I have heard the reasons commonly trotted out for this.
Yet now articles like the above, and in the media reporting in general, Samsung is now as the 'enemy'. Even dealing a direct killer blow to Samsung ($1 ain't gonna hurt that much) and Motorola, LG, HTC et al will leap into the gap.
Originally Posted by dasanman69
No it's not all good but their products do receive adulations from the media like nothing else.
If you want a citation just turn your TV on next iPhone launch day and you'll have citations coming out of your ears.
I put this in my edited post above, but I'd really like to see an objective breakdown of pro- to anti-Apple news pieces (with all citations, all sources linked, and an explanation for categorization of EVERY SINGLE link chosen in the pool) to see the proportion of good to bad in the last ten years.
Steve being the "old dog" in the industry had seen it all train wreck before. Google is trying to be the new "Microsoft" with Android.. There's no way Steve was gonna let it happen to HIM again.
The article misses that Apple was throwing $500 million CASH upfront to Samsung in 2008 while Wall Street was bleeding out. That's loyalty, and owing Apple a BIG favor. When Steve calls the CEO and says "don't step on my toes", you call off the marketing dogs. It's the same problem with Google. You don't suddenly run ads against Apple's products, or hold services you rent to Apple hostage...
Apple won this round of being on top fair and square... Being more than generous with its partners. And absolutely stellar with executing 5-7 years of new products.
For Steve it WAS personal. How much map data would Google have if it weren't for iPhone users? How much did Samsung gain from Apple's investments when the rest of the industry stopped paying for R&D in 07-09?
Traditionally Apple plays by the most "normal" rules out of most tech "RockStar" companies. In other industries, tactics like Microsoft or Intel use would have put those bosses in jail a decade ago. Apple endured its own course through all that... Steve won.. He wants the enemies put down. Frankly, he should have just had them "off'd" he was going away anyway... Lets start true Cyber-Wars!!!
Yes but the ecosystem is much more than just apps. Are you not going to take into consideration all the music people purchased from iTunes during 2001-2007? Much of it with DRM restrictions.
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Originally Posted by Cash907
Maybe karma sucks, and Apple should consider writing Xerox a huge check for 30 years worth of unlicensed use of their IP.
Perhaps you should read this before writing stuff you don't know about.
http://www-sul.stanford.edu/mac/parc.html
Unless you are too lazy and just want to say what pleases you to make you feel better about a company you hate for no reason except your jealousy and wounded ego.
Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
[quote]
So you DELETED my post because of this? I disagreed with you!. That is why you deleted my post and this is proof! So what part of that deserved being deleted? If you disagreed with it why not reply and disagree with it? Instead you deleted it from the forum......wow..and you are a moderator? What abuse of power...so how many other peoples posts do you just delete because you disgaree with them?
"Tallest Skil wote"
Okay. This'll be fun. This is the part of your post that made me delete it:
EVERYONE knows there is NO negative press at Apple.......you know it too! So if there is soooo much negativity about Apple....it really hurts their bottom line huh? they are really hurting to make money huh? can you address that? they are the most highly profitable companies in the world selling products amid all that negativity huh? Yeah right! If Apple has all this negative press show me some!
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Originally Posted by EricTheHalfBee
geekdad, you're making yourself look foolish by posting the same complaint over and over again (and not making much sense while doing it). I'd actually like to read your original post so I can have a good laugh at what will undoubtedly be more gibberish.
well...here it is in Tallest Skil's own words....so did that deserved to be deleted? Why? What if he disagrees with sonething you write? Is it ok if just deletes it? Not open for debate....no notification or reason why it was deleted......yeah I kinda feel like everyone would not like that.
Tallest Skill wrote:
Okay. This'll be fun. This is the part of your post that made me delete it:
EVERYONE knows there is NO negative press at Apple.......you know it too! So if there is soooo much negativity about Apple....it really hurts their bottom line huh? they are really hurting to make money huh? can you address that? they are the most highly profitable companies in the world selling products amid all that negativity huh? Yeah right! If Apple has all this negative press show me some!
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Do I disagree with your statement? Absolutely. Had you pitched it with conditions, however, that would be different. There was a time when you'd have to really look to find an anti-Apple piece, and then it would be built a statement from a competitor. But not anymore. I'd actually like to know the proportion of pro- to anti-Apple articles over the last, oh… let's say ten years. That would be interesting to see. Certainly you'd see a massive proportion of pro in the first five, but at roughly the halfway point, anti-Apple articles start to grow until the amount right now. I see them in even greater numbers, growing until roughly six months after the first new revolutionary product under Cook's management. There will always be positive press about Apple. Hopefully the positive starts to push back against the negative in the future. But to suggest there is no negative press about Apple as you have? Abject nonsense.
If you'll excuse me, reading all that crap has given me a headache. I'm going to lie down with my iPad and write another chapter of alternate history. Because contrary to the belief of some of those articles (and the current beliefs of even some of the people here), the iPad wasn't DOA (and can be used for real work).
Where is the whole post you deleted because you disagreed with it? Put the whole thing out here....not just your edited part. I replied to something you wrote and instead of replying or disagreeing with it you deleted it...... Talk about abuse of power....... You still have not given proof it violated any forum rules.....nothing. Just that you disagreed with it...
Originally Posted by geekdad
So you DELETED my post because of this? I disagreed with you!. That is why you deleted my post and this is proof!
Nope. I'm seriously starting to question your reading comprehension skills.
Originally Posted by geekdad
Put the whole thing out here....not just your edited part.
I edited nothing. The contents of that post have not been edited by anyone other than yourself. I explicitly stated right before the quote that it was a snippet of the post—not the entire thing—and it was the only part of the post with which I took issue. The rest of your post pertained to disagreements, with which I did not take issue.
I'm not having this discussion. Continue it in a PM if you wish.
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Originally Posted by Realistic
Now on my blocked list.
Is there any way to block Appleinsider moderators?
[IMG ALT=""]http://forums.appleinsider.com/content/type/61/id/17985/width/350/height/700[/IMG]
Samsung SGH-F700, introduced prior to the iPhone, aka prior art... "A Korean design patent for this black, rectangular, round-cornered phone was filed by Samsung in December 2006 prior to the release of the image of the iPhone".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_SGH-F700
Originally Posted by Sensi
Everytime AI repost this misleading/dishonest illustration I am forced to debunk it...
Explain how you can debunk a court document.
Seriously, is this what you people really want to see? Trolling like this?
Explain you can debunk a court document??
C'mon man...really? Don't really care too much about Samsung pic. But if "The glove don't fit, you must acquit!!" Court documents are debunked all the time. Just saying.
Been reading this site for a long time and yes Geek you are correct. Tallest Skil will delete most posts that disagree with him or shine light on Apple in any negative way. Though I must ask you...."What did you expect?" You are posting on a pro Apple website. That's like posting pro Obama on a Fox News blog. As far as your comment that Apple gets NO negative press, Tallest Skil is right, they DO get negative press. Just look at the press in the past month while Apple's stock has tanked. Tallest Skil is knowledgeable but rarely admits any Apple shortcomings. He still likes to blame Samsung and Android for copying rather than Apple for being at snails pace with innovation lately. It's an interesting market right now, should be interesting to see how it plays out.
Hmm... interesting point. I can see how those users might feel inclined to go with an Apple product because of DRM but how many iPhone users had never bought extensively from the iTMS? It seems overwhelmingly likely to me that most hadn't and therefore the iPhone was successful for the advancements it offered over existing tech.
Hmm... interesting point. I can see how those users might feel inclined to go with an Apple product because of DRM but how many iPhone users had never bought extensively from the iTMS? It seems overwhelmingly likely to me that most hadn't and therefore the iPhone was successful for the advancements it offered over existing tech.