No need to visit Steve and tell him that. Apple tried to buy Palm, but was outbid by HP. Apparently, Apple was going to run Palm as an independent subsidiary to compete directly in the keyboard segment against RIM.
I know they were in there. I mean pull out all stops. Maybe stop hp by showing them they don't actually make any money with it.
No need to visit Steve and tell him that. Apple tried to buy Palm, but was outbid by HP. Apparently, Apple was going to run Palm as an independent subsidiary to compete directly in the keyboard segment against RIM.
I know they were in there. I mean pull out all stops. Maybe stop hp by showing them they don't actually make any money with it.
The argument that Apple never invents anything so therefore everyone should be able to copy Apple's ideas, trade dress, etc. at least admits that others are copying Apple. These people therefore conclude that Apple is wrong to sue anyone for copying. That copying is the supposed to encourage (rather than discourage) innovation, which is opposite to the spirit of the patent system.
They can't even innovate enough to come up with their own catch phrases. They say they are "Doubling Down" Their meeting goes: We are going to really innovate. Since Apple is doubling down on secrecy, we will have to double down on spying, I mean innovation!
They missed out on the focusing though. Apple is laser-focused, which is better than normal focusing.
Kara's a bit of a mess as usual but she goes for the jugular on the Apple stuff so kudos for that.
Samsung talked about "It’s not just about putting software onto hardware. It’s about a thoughtful integration between the two" and they want to get closer to multiple devices that "just work" together. It's like something we've never seen before.
I actually thought the Samsung exec was quite professional and rational during the interview but he hasn't been working at Samsung very long so maybe that'll change.
It would be hard being in Samsung's position as both a key supplier and primary competitor to another company. As he says, they make money from every iPhone sold - that phrase is a little shocking when it's put out there because Apple can't say the same thing in reverse. Samsung wins on both fronts as long as they remain an Apple supplier so there's an incentive to stay on their good side.
Samsung talked about "It’s not just about putting software onto hardware. It’s about a thoughtful integration between the two" and they want to get closer to multiple devices that "just work" together. It's like something we've never seen before..
Coming from an Android licensee who dumps features left and right into their phones to win a paper checklist war?
Soon, Samsung will be saying they want to be at the intersection of technology and liberal arts. Or something that essentially means the same.
Apple should have taken a different tack. Instead of saying Galaxies were _like_ Apple products, Apple should have asserted that galaxies _were_ Apple products.
There's probably a legal requirement that disallows them from saying that. Or, rather, that claiming one instead of the other would be able to hold up in court.
Originally Posted by TBell
Apparently, Apple was going to run Palm as an independent subsidiary to compete directly in the keyboard segment against RIM.
That sounds like the opposite of anything Apple would do.
Originally Posted by Quadra 610
At best, even if Samsung did not infringe wilfully, they still did what they did. Sometimes "unintentional stupidity due to a complete lack of creative ability" counts as an excuse.
Hey, can that decision be challenged? Because a person would have the IQ of a box turtle if they're stupid enough to think that Samsung didn't willfully infringe.
Not really a loss. Just the status quo Samsung was not innovating (in the mobile phone market anyway) prior to the lawsuit.
A few years ago, Hyundai ran a commercial for the their SUV which directly compared it to the Lexus RX. The two SUVs were parked next to each other and a woman gets into the wrong one. The tune playing in the background was "Anything you can do (I can do better)." Which is what the Korean brands think of themselves. Samsung and Hyundai are the two largest Korean companies. They brashly flaunt their copying, except in court.
This talk of the "intersection of" sounds vaguely familiar... oh, right, Jobs talked about the intersection of technology and liberal arts. He also talked about the marriage of hardware and software coming from the same company.
It's amazing how someone can talk about innovation and yet echo another person's words in the same breath. Are they willfully ignorant, or just missing the part of the brain which allows for self-awareness?
It helps to know computer history. Jobs himself got many of his thoughts and phrases from others.
For example, "People who are really serious about software should make their own hardware" originally came from Alan Kay, who advocated tablet computers back in the late 1960s, and later worked at Apple for a while.
The "intersection of technology and arts" is a speech theme that dates at least back a decade, if not two or three.
However, these things are worth repeating by anyone.
It helps to know computer history. Jobs himself got many of his thoughts and phrases from others.
For example, "People who are really serious about software should make their own hardware" originally came from Alan Kay, who advocated tablet computers back in the late 1960s, and later worked at Apple for a while.
The "intersection of technology and arts" is a speech theme that dates at least back a decade, if not two or three.
However, these things are worth repeating by anyone.
Yup, I know all about Alan Kay -- brilliant man, and definitely a huge influence on Jobs. Apple should have tried to hire him out of PARC a long time before they finally did (in 1984).
The thing with Jobs is that, even if all the ideas weren't his own, he definitely understood and conveyed the profound meaning of them. With Samsung, it just feels like they are regurgitating a mish-mash of slogans. I dunno if it's lost in translation, or they need to do some LSD and let the concepts soak in a bit more, but it just feels contrived to me.
In this case, it wasn't accidental. Not only did the Tab look so much like the iPad that Samsung's attorneys couldn't tell the difference,
If you're going to use that story, at least be accurate. One attorney -- an older woman -- said she couldn't tell them apart from a distance. Another attorney seated further behind her immediately spoke up with the correct answer.
but Samsung's internal documents indicate that they specifically set out to copy the iPhone. They had a long list of things that they needed to change to make their phones copy the iPhone.
That document mostly listed generic ways to improve without copying, and in fact pointed out that some parts looked too much like Apple's design and should be changed.
LIkewise, Apple clearly has looked at things like Notifications pulldowns from other companies, and decided their way needed improving as well. Heck, we know for a fact that they decided to make a mini iPad after using a Samsung 7" tablet.
All companies do reviews and comparisons.
It was a clear, deliberate decision to copy Apple's IP. Unfortunately, they're going to get away with it - they've made far more from their blatant copies than any fine will remedy.
It was a clear, deliberate decision to get as close as possible to the same look and feel without anything being an exact copy. However, they still got too close.
"Few topics leave app developers and startups as frustrated as software patents. Gather app developers and publishers, and within minutes one will ask, "Have you received a patent infringement letter yet?" Then they tell varying versions of the same story.
An app gains a little notoriety or market share, and soon after receives a letter from a patent holding company (aka "troll") claiming that the app is infringing the troll's patent and requesting payment of a licensing fee. The letter identifies the patent, but it covers extraordinarily broad technology that could relate to virtually any app, website, or software.
When the app developer calls the troll for more details about the alleged infringement, the answer is chilling: that information will only be shared in the litigation discovery process. The developer's choices are to either pay the troll or hire lawyers and prepare for a financially devastating, time-consuming and distracting legal battle.
It sounds like extortion. But that is how our patent system works.
While app developers are angry with the trolls, they are also frustrated, rightly, with their government. The patent system was created to promote innovation and protect entrepreneurs. But in the trenches of the app development industry, people are intimidated and angered. App developers and entrepreneurs, the very people whom the patent system should protect, now consider software patents as inhibiting -- rather than promoting -- innovation . . ."
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I know they were in there. I mean pull out all stops. Maybe stop hp by showing them they don't actually make any money with it.
I know they were in there. I mean pull out all stops. Maybe stop hp by showing them they don't actually make any money with it.
They missed out on the focusing though. Apple is laser-focused, which is better than normal focusing.
There's a video here:
http://allthingsd.com/20130211/samsung-david-eun-diveintomedia/
Kara's a bit of a mess as usual but she goes for the jugular on the Apple stuff so kudos for that.
Samsung talked about "It’s not just about putting software onto hardware. It’s about a thoughtful integration between the two" and they want to get closer to multiple devices that "just work" together. It's like something we've never seen before.
I actually thought the Samsung exec was quite professional and rational during the interview but he hasn't been working at Samsung very long so maybe that'll change.
It would be hard being in Samsung's position as both a key supplier and primary competitor to another company. As he says, they make money from every iPhone sold - that phrase is a little shocking when it's put out there because Apple can't say the same thing in reverse. Samsung wins on both fronts as long as they remain an Apple supplier so there's an incentive to stay on their good side.
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Originally Posted by davesmall
Samsung steals technology from Apple and then they call it innovation. How utterly ridiculous.
What, microsoft has been doing it from the beginning. Steals everything from others and calls it innovation.
Not really a loss. Just the status quo Samsung was not innovating (in the mobile phone market anyway) prior to the lawsuit.
Coming from an Android licensee who dumps features left and right into their phones to win a paper checklist war?
Soon, Samsung will be saying they want to be at the intersection of technology and liberal arts. Or something that essentially means the same.
Originally Posted by bwik
Apple should have taken a different tack. Instead of saying Galaxies were _like_ Apple products, Apple should have asserted that galaxies _were_ Apple products.
There's probably a legal requirement that disallows them from saying that. Or, rather, that claiming one instead of the other would be able to hold up in court.
Originally Posted by TBell
Apparently, Apple was going to run Palm as an independent subsidiary to compete directly in the keyboard segment against RIM.
That sounds like the opposite of anything Apple would do.
Originally Posted by Quadra 610
At best, even if Samsung did not infringe wilfully, they still did what they did. Sometimes "unintentional stupidity due to a complete lack of creative ability" counts as an excuse.
Hey, can that decision be challenged? Because a person would have the IQ of a box turtle if they're stupid enough to think that Samsung didn't willfully infringe.
A few years ago, Hyundai ran a commercial for the their SUV which directly compared it to the Lexus RX. The two SUVs were parked next to each other and a woman gets into the wrong one. The tune playing in the background was "Anything you can do (I can do better)." Which is what the Korean brands think of themselves. Samsung and Hyundai are the two largest Korean companies. They brashly flaunt their copying, except in court.
They innovated nothing the Android OS is provided by google, the only innovation is the kind of double speak that they spew out.
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This is GOLD! Samsung execs even steal Apple phraseology!
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Originally Posted by auxio
This talk of the "intersection of" sounds vaguely familiar... oh, right, Jobs talked about the intersection of technology and liberal arts. He also talked about the marriage of hardware and software coming from the same company.
It's amazing how someone can talk about innovation and yet echo another person's words in the same breath. Are they willfully ignorant, or just missing the part of the brain which allows for self-awareness?
It helps to know computer history. Jobs himself got many of his thoughts and phrases from others.
For example, "People who are really serious about software should make their own hardware" originally came from Alan Kay, who advocated tablet computers back in the late 1960s, and later worked at Apple for a while.
The "intersection of technology and arts" is a speech theme that dates at least back a decade, if not two or three.
However, these things are worth repeating by anyone.
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Originally Posted by KDarling
It helps to know computer history. Jobs himself got many of his thoughts and phrases from others.
For example, "People who are really serious about software should make their own hardware" originally came from Alan Kay, who advocated tablet computers back in the late 1960s, and later worked at Apple for a while.
The "intersection of technology and arts" is a speech theme that dates at least back a decade, if not two or three.
However, these things are worth repeating by anyone.
Yup, I know all about Alan Kay -- brilliant man, and definitely a huge influence on Jobs. Apple should have tried to hire him out of PARC a long time before they finally did (in 1984).
The thing with Jobs is that, even if all the ideas weren't his own, he definitely understood and conveyed the profound meaning of them. With Samsung, it just feels like they are regurgitating a mish-mash of slogans. I dunno if it's lost in translation, or they need to do some LSD and let the concepts soak in a bit more, but it just feels contrived to me.
Do some REAL innovation and you won't have to worry about Apple patents!
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Originally Posted by davesmall
Samsung steals technology from Apple and then they call it innovation. How utterly ridiculous.
Many (even Stevie) would say that Apple works in the same way.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
In this case, it wasn't accidental. Not only did the Tab look so much like the iPad that Samsung's attorneys couldn't tell the difference,
If you're going to use that story, at least be accurate. One attorney -- an older woman -- said she couldn't tell them apart from a distance. Another attorney seated further behind her immediately spoke up with the correct answer.
but Samsung's internal documents indicate that they specifically set out to copy the iPhone. They had a long list of things that they needed to change to make their phones copy the iPhone.
That document mostly listed generic ways to improve without copying, and in fact pointed out that some parts looked too much like Apple's design and should be changed.
LIkewise, Apple clearly has looked at things like Notifications pulldowns from other companies, and decided their way needed improving as well. Heck, we know for a fact that they decided to make a mini iPad after using a Samsung 7" tablet.
All companies do reviews and comparisons.
It was a clear, deliberate decision to copy Apple's IP. Unfortunately, they're going to get away with it - they've made far more from their blatant copies than any fine will remedy.
It was a clear, deliberate decision to get as close as possible to the same look and feel without anything being an exact copy. However, they still got too close.
A timely opinion piece from the respected Mercury News today.
http://www.mercurynews.com/opinion/ci_22565075/jon-potter-software-patent-trolls-can-be-stopped
"Few topics leave app developers and startups as frustrated as software patents. Gather app developers and publishers, and within minutes one will ask, "Have you received a patent infringement letter yet?" Then they tell varying versions of the same story.
An app gains a little notoriety or market share, and soon after receives a letter from a patent holding company (aka "troll") claiming that the app is infringing the troll's patent and requesting payment of a licensing fee. The letter identifies the patent, but it covers extraordinarily broad technology that could relate to virtually any app, website, or software.
When the app developer calls the troll for more details about the alleged infringement, the answer is chilling: that information will only be shared in the litigation discovery process. The developer's choices are to either pay the troll or hire lawyers and prepare for a financially devastating, time-consuming and distracting legal battle.
It sounds like extortion. But that is how our patent system works.
While app developers are angry with the trolls, they are also frustrated, rightly, with their government. The patent system was created to promote innovation and protect entrepreneurs. But in the trenches of the app development industry, people are intimidated and angered. App developers and entrepreneurs, the very people whom the patent system should protect, now consider software patents as inhibiting -- rather than promoting -- innovation . . ."
SSDD. You guys must be really bored day after day to talk about how world stole Apple's IP.