You forgot to add that these aren't claims made by Apple, but by many a poster.
You forgot to add that those comments were made by irrational posters or the comments were taken out of context. Case in point, waiting for LTE until it's ready for a mobile device without using an excessive amount of the battery life when on and not being such a large chip that the battery capacity has to be reduced to include it. Apple's iPhone 5 gets about the same life with '3G' or '4G' which makes it an ideal inclusion unless the LTE-capable phones that just had to beat others to the market 2 years earlier.
I'd have addressed this post to the OP but it's clear Mazda 3s doesn't have the capacity to see past a spec sheet item so if I said "Apple shouldn't do LTE yet" back in 2010 he'll have read it as "Apple should never do LTE. '3G' is as fast as anyone will ever need."
I'm not going to fight with all of you, nor will I convince anyone on this forum. All I can say is give Android a try if you are curious. Its way more capable than what you imagine a phone can do. I use a Nexus 4, it doesn't have the latest specs but it has the best software. Find someone with a Nexus so you can see how Google Now personalizes its results.
I've had 3 Android phones...never again. All 3 with different flavors of Android. I wasn't impressed with any of them. One of them actually was a Nexus phone. I always keep going back to the iPhone. Not because I'm a fanboy, but because I think its just a better overall experience from the ground up. Android is much like using Windows vs OS X in my opinion. They're trying to be everything to everyone and you can't do that and continuously be successful.
I think the biggest mistake Apple is making is trying to be the same Apple that they were when Steve Jobs was running the show. They won't be nearly as successful at it. We are seeing the first stages of that now.
I agree: who needs product vision? Apple needs to chase competitors, so investor can keep inflating Apple stock. One more squeeze before dumping AAPL. /s
... and Apple is losing sales to these phones. So you are saying that Apple doesn't want those sales?
No one ever said Apple doesn't want more sales.
It's just that Apple's smart enough to realize that if you have to sacrifice your brand in order to increase sales, it may be a losing proposition. Apple makes 'insanely great' products and is not going to abandon that in order to sell a few more phones. They don't expect 100% market share.
As for this particular phone? It looks fine and the specs are certainly good. We'll just have to wait to see how it actually works and how the build quality is. There are already examples of the A6 outperforming quad core CPUs, so there's more to performance than the number of cores. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if the 2 GB of RAM helps performance more than the extra cores. It's likely to eat power like crazy, though. I hope they put a big battery in it.
I've had 3 Android phones...never again. All 3 with different flavors of Android. I wasn't impressed with any of them. One of them actually was a Nexus phone. I always keep going back to the iPhone. Not because I'm a fanboy, but because I think its just a better overall experience from the ground up. Android is much like using Windows vs OS X in my opinion. They're trying to be everything to everyone and you can't do that and continuously be successful.
I've never used a Windows computer in my life - 15 years in the photography world, so I wouldn't know. But then again I am holding on to Snow Leopard on my main computers until they fall apart. The thing with Android 4.1 or .2 - is you can make it whatever you like. If I don't like something - I can change it. Change default apps, change launchers. Just like OSX.
I must say the phone looks nice, except for the stupid beats audio branding. But I think you'd have to be blind not to see the iPhone influences with the aluminum and polished chamfered edges. I think I might be bummed though if I bought a OneX on contract as tha was only released last year. That's why I don't mind that Apple doesn't redesign their phone every year.
I hope HTC does well with this phone because Samsung needs some competition in the Android space.
I'm not going to fight with all of you, nor will I convince anyone on this forum. All I can say is give Android a try if you are curious. Its way more capable than what you imagine a phone can do. I use a Nexus 4, it doesn't have the latest specs but it has the best software. Find someone with a Nexus so you can see how Google Now personalizes its results.
I had an Android phone. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
I'm not convinced you understand this is beyond most people's ability to see, without any benefits for doing so. It's not a useful advance if no one can see the difference without a magnifying glass.
And when Apple releases a higher rez screen than 1136x640 (you don't actually think that Apple is going to stick with ONLY this resolution for the foreseeable future, do you), then what? All of a sudden a higher resolution screen is OK?
I guess my point is, if 1080p is overkill, then what do you suggest the resolution of this 4.7" smartphone should be?
I had an Android phone. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
which one? alot of them were crap, like my LG G2X. I would only consider the HTC One series if I didn't get a Nexus. It does take alittle effort to learn it if you've never use one before.
and I never considered Samsung b/c its too much like an iphone - something i don't want anymore.
#1. That you can't see that it is a nice looking phone…
Thanks for pretending I cared or said anything at all either way about how it looks.
Originally Posted by Mazda 3s
And when Apple releases a higher rez screen than 1136x640 (you don't actually think that Apple is going to stick with ONLY this resolution for the foreseeable future, do you), then what? All of a sudden a higher resolution screen is OK?
IF Apple ever releases a higher resolution screen, they will have been ready for it, and it won't sacrifice anything in the usability department.
It's just that Apple's smart enough to realize that if you have to sacrifice your brand in order to increase sales, it may be a losing proposition. Apple makes 'insanely great' products and is not going to abandon that in order to sell a few more phones. They don't expect 100% market share.
I wonder if Jony Ive and team have a laugh when they see things like this:
So are the white strips on the back plastic? Because the Verge hands on review said the white plastic bits were already getting dirty (something the One X suffered from).
I'm not convinced you understand this is beyond most people's ability to see, without any benefits for doing so. It's not a useful advance if no one can see the difference without a magnifying glass.
Maybe it's an age thing. I can see pixels on an iPhone, but I can't see them on the DNA, which is the only 1080P phone I've played with.
I wonder if Jony Ive and team have a laugh when they see things like this:
So are the white strips on the back plastic? Because the Verge hands on review said the white plastic bits were already getting dirty (something the One X suffered from).
My first reaction when seeing the Iphone5 2-tone back was that they'd taken this specific design cue from HTC which has been doing these 2-tone designs for a couple of generations (one of the reason I did not like them)
IF Apple ever releases a higher resolution screen, they will have been ready for it, and it won't sacrifice anything in the usability department.
But that's not the point that I was responding to. The other posters were saying that 468ppi was overkill. And there lies the rub, there's no question that Apple will release a higher resolution display at some point. The current iPhone 5 is 326ppi, this is 468ppi. At what point does the increased ppi not become "overkill"? 375ppi, 400ppi?
As for being "ready":
Quote:
The Verge:
If there is one thing that we can take away from the New Sense experience, it's that it's fast. The One is powered by the new Qualcomm Snapdragon 600 quad-core processorclocked at 1.7GHz and paired with 2GB of RAM. The interface was fast and fluid in our experience, and though we didn't get to fully benchmark and stress test the One, we don't think that there will be many performance complaints with it.
1.7GHz quad-core and 2GB RAM seems like plenty for 1080p output.
I'm not going to fight with all of you, nor will I convince anyone on this forum. All I can say is give Android a try if you are curious. Its way more capable than what you imagine a phone can do. I use a Nexus 4, it doesn't have the latest specs but it has the best software. Find someone with a Nexus so you can see how Google Now personalizes its results.
"IF THEY ONLY TRIED ANDROID, they'd hate the home button! They'd hate having a thin and light phone that fits in their jeans! They'd hate all of their favorite iOS apps! They'd hate the smooth iOS user experience! They'd hate not having to reboot their phone randomly throughout the day!"
Maybe it's an age thing. I can see pixels on an iPhone, but I can't see them on the DNA, which is the only 1080P phone I've played with.
Age has something to do with it. Also, there will be some people that have spectacular vision. I need correction, but with correction, I'm about 20/10.
How close one holds the device has a lot to do with it too. 300ppi is more than good for most people at about 12", 468 ppi gets pretty silly, you have to hold the device about 7.5" to get comparable performance.
ARM is basically lying then. AFAIK, it was Nvidia that was really driving the wrongheaded notion that more cores result in better power efficiency, not really ARM. Nividia is rather impressive in its market-speak, and the tech media amplify it every time.
More cores CAN result in better power efficiency, if you mix low and high power cores and switch the high power ones off when not required.
"IF THEY ONLY TRIED ANDROID, they'd hate the home button! They'd hate having a thin and light phone that fits in their jeans! They'd hate all of their favorite iOS apps! They'd hate the smooth iOS user experience! They'd hate not having to reboot their phone randomly throughout the day!"
ok - that's not constructive. you've never used a Nexus 4 then. nothing I can do here then.
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You forgot to add that those comments were made by irrational posters or the comments were taken out of context. Case in point, waiting for LTE until it's ready for a mobile device without using an excessive amount of the battery life when on and not being such a large chip that the battery capacity has to be reduced to include it. Apple's iPhone 5 gets about the same life with '3G' or '4G' which makes it an ideal inclusion unless the LTE-capable phones that just had to beat others to the market 2 years earlier.
I'd have addressed this post to the OP but it's clear Mazda 3s doesn't have the capacity to see past a spec sheet item so if I said "Apple shouldn't do LTE yet" back in 2010 he'll have read it as "Apple should never do LTE. '3G' is as fast as anyone will ever need."
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Originally Posted by ecpho
I'm not going to fight with all of you, nor will I convince anyone on this forum. All I can say is give Android a try if you are curious. Its way more capable than what you imagine a phone can do. I use a Nexus 4, it doesn't have the latest specs but it has the best software. Find someone with a Nexus so you can see how Google Now personalizes its results.
I've had 3 Android phones...never again. All 3 with different flavors of Android. I wasn't impressed with any of them. One of them actually was a Nexus phone. I always keep going back to the iPhone. Not because I'm a fanboy, but because I think its just a better overall experience from the ground up. Android is much like using Windows vs OS X in my opinion. They're trying to be everything to everyone and you can't do that and continuously be successful.
I agree: who needs product vision? Apple needs to chase competitors, so investor can keep inflating Apple stock. One more squeeze before dumping AAPL. /s
No one ever said Apple doesn't want more sales.
It's just that Apple's smart enough to realize that if you have to sacrifice your brand in order to increase sales, it may be a losing proposition. Apple makes 'insanely great' products and is not going to abandon that in order to sell a few more phones. They don't expect 100% market share.
As for this particular phone? It looks fine and the specs are certainly good. We'll just have to wait to see how it actually works and how the build quality is. There are already examples of the A6 outperforming quad core CPUs, so there's more to performance than the number of cores. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if the 2 GB of RAM helps performance more than the extra cores. It's likely to eat power like crazy, though. I hope they put a big battery in it.
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Originally Posted by macxpress
I've had 3 Android phones...never again. All 3 with different flavors of Android. I wasn't impressed with any of them. One of them actually was a Nexus phone. I always keep going back to the iPhone. Not because I'm a fanboy, but because I think its just a better overall experience from the ground up. Android is much like using Windows vs OS X in my opinion. They're trying to be everything to everyone and you can't do that and continuously be successful.
I've never used a Windows computer in my life - 15 years in the photography world, so I wouldn't know. But then again I am holding on to Snow Leopard on my main computers until they fall apart. The thing with Android 4.1 or .2 - is you can make it whatever you like. If I don't like something - I can change it. Change default apps, change launchers. Just like OSX.
I must say the phone looks nice, except for the stupid beats audio branding. But I think you'd have to be blind not to see the iPhone influences with the aluminum and polished chamfered edges. I think I might be bummed though if I bought a OneX on contract as tha was only released last year. That's why I don't mind that Apple doesn't redesign their phone every year.
I hope HTC does well with this phone because Samsung needs some competition in the Android space.
I had an Android phone. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
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Originally Posted by JeffDM
No, this one is clearly for spec lemmings.
I'm not convinced you understand this is beyond most people's ability to see, without any benefits for doing so. It's not a useful advance if no one can see the difference without a magnifying glass.
And when Apple releases a higher rez screen than 1136x640 (you don't actually think that Apple is going to stick with ONLY this resolution for the foreseeable future, do you), then what? All of a sudden a higher resolution screen is OK?
I guess my point is, if 1080p is overkill, then what do you suggest the resolution of this 4.7" smartphone should be?
Very cute. But it reminds me of an old saying:
"Live fast, die young, leave a pretty corpse."
- Anon
HTC is doing all three, trying to compete against Apple and Samsung.
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Originally Posted by jungmark
I had an Android phone. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
which one? alot of them were crap, like my LG G2X. I would only consider the HTC One series if I didn't get a Nexus. It does take alittle effort to learn it if you've never use one before.
and I never considered Samsung b/c its too much like an iphone - something i don't want anymore.
Originally Posted by island hermit
#1. That you can't see that it is a nice looking phone…
Thanks for pretending I cared or said anything at all either way about how it looks.
Originally Posted by Mazda 3s
And when Apple releases a higher rez screen than 1136x640 (you don't actually think that Apple is going to stick with ONLY this resolution for the foreseeable future, do you), then what? All of a sudden a higher resolution screen is OK?
IF Apple ever releases a higher resolution screen, they will have been ready for it, and it won't sacrifice anything in the usability department.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
No one ever said Apple doesn't want more sales.
It's just that Apple's smart enough to realize that if you have to sacrifice your brand in order to increase sales, it may be a losing proposition. Apple makes 'insanely great' products and is not going to abandon that in order to sell a few more phones. They don't expect 100% market share.
Yes, my point exactly!
I wonder if Jony Ive and team have a laugh when they see things like this:
So are the white strips on the back plastic? Because the Verge hands on review said the white plastic bits were already getting dirty (something the One X suffered from).
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Originally Posted by JeffDM
No, this one is clearly for spec lemmings.
I'm not convinced you understand this is beyond most people's ability to see, without any benefits for doing so. It's not a useful advance if no one can see the difference without a magnifying glass.
Maybe it's an age thing. I can see pixels on an iPhone, but I can't see them on the DNA, which is the only 1080P phone I've played with.
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Originally Posted by Rogifan
I wonder if Jony Ive and team have a laugh when they see things like this:
So are the white strips on the back plastic? Because the Verge hands on review said the white plastic bits were already getting dirty (something the One X suffered from).
My first reaction when seeing the Iphone5 2-tone back was that they'd taken this specific design cue from HTC which has been doing these 2-tone designs for a couple of generations (one of the reason I did not like them)
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
IF Apple ever releases a higher resolution screen, they will have been ready for it, and it won't sacrifice anything in the usability department.
But that's not the point that I was responding to. The other posters were saying that 468ppi was overkill. And there lies the rub, there's no question that Apple will release a higher resolution display at some point. The current iPhone 5 is 326ppi, this is 468ppi. At what point does the increased ppi not become "overkill"? 375ppi, 400ppi?
As for being "ready":
Quote:
The Verge:
If there is one thing that we can take away from the New Sense experience, it's that it's fast. The One is powered by the new Qualcomm Snapdragon 600 quad-core processor clocked at 1.7GHz and paired with 2GB of RAM. The interface was fast and fluid in our experience, and though we didn't get to fully benchmark and stress test the One, we don't think that there will be many performance complaints with it.
1.7GHz quad-core and 2GB RAM seems like plenty for 1080p output.
"IF THEY ONLY TRIED ANDROID, they'd hate the home button! They'd hate having a thin and light phone that fits in their jeans! They'd hate all of their favorite iOS apps! They'd hate the smooth iOS user experience! They'd hate not having to reboot their phone randomly throughout the day!"
Age has something to do with it. Also, there will be some people that have spectacular vision. I need correction, but with correction, I'm about 20/10.
How close one holds the device has a lot to do with it too. 300ppi is more than good for most people at about 12", 468 ppi gets pretty silly, you have to hold the device about 7.5" to get comparable performance.
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Originally Posted by THT
ARM is basically lying then. AFAIK, it was Nvidia that was really driving the wrongheaded notion that more cores result in better power efficiency, not really ARM. Nividia is rather impressive in its market-speak, and the tech media amplify it every time.
More cores CAN result in better power efficiency, if you mix low and high power cores and switch the high power ones off when not required.
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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton
"IF THEY ONLY TRIED ANDROID, they'd hate the home button! They'd hate having a thin and light phone that fits in their jeans! They'd hate all of their favorite iOS apps! They'd hate the smooth iOS user experience! They'd hate not having to reboot their phone randomly throughout the day!"
ok - that's not constructive. you've never used a Nexus 4 then. nothing I can do here then.