You think $330 is bad? Try an average cost of $834 per year on books and supplies for their college classes, and that was according to the 2007-08 National Postsecondary Student Aid Study for full-time students. New textbook costs today are EIGHT TIMES what they cost in the late '70s, and for full-time students are estimated to reach an average of $1300 in 2013! By comparison, the Consumer Price Index has grown by two-and-a-half times over the same period. Schools are demonstrating that tablet technology is making real progress in regaining control over the cost of distributing knowledge in the college environment. Educators gain the flexibility to offer their students a richer learning experience that goes far beyond black and white type that started becoming out-of-date the moment the pages came off the printing press. iTunesU is the perfect demonstration of this capability. One more thing: Students with tablets don't get stuck with one more costly, white-elephant textbook at the end of the class term, which they may not even be able to trade in because a new publisher's edition has rendered it obsolete.
In my post I stated that a student can go to the campus library and check the books out. Me and my friends saved hundreds of dollars a year by doing this.
This puts the school in some dangerous waters. Most schools do not require even computers majority of the schools have at least a 24/7 computer lab for students. Requiring students to purchase a non-academically required item (as opposed to note books, writing utensils and paper).
Here's the deal, many Us do require computers simply because they don't have the space for computer labs for the majority of their students.
Most colleges issue test on Scantrons. Are you aware what you use to inter your answer on a Scantron. Its not a text message. And I would like to you to go to one single American University where there is not one professor who bans the use of computers from there lectures. In those lectures what does one take notes on? I had two professors like this. In fact when it comes to note taking its better to write it out then to type it out. Most students end up going to facebook and the computer becomes more of a distraction then a tool for them. Seriously go to the closest College in your area go to a large lecture and see how many of the computers are on facebook and not typing out notes.
It depends on the courses. My engineering and comp sci classes don't use multiple guess questions.
Funny? You find state mandated vendor lock-in funny? I hear North Korea is wonderful -- Dennis Rodman really likes it, I am sure you will too.
Funny how it was "perfectly reasonable" when Microsoft had a lock on the schools and businesses and people couldn't get a Mac if they wanted it. It was the right thing because standardization was so important and having multiple platforms increased costs (even though the data indicated that this claim was false).
Now that Apple is the standard, standardization is evil and people should be able to buy whatever they want.
Funny how it was "perfectly reasonable" when Microsoft had a lock on the schools and businesses and people couldn't get a Mac if they wanted it. It was the right thing because standardization was so important and having multiple platforms increased costs (even though the data indicated that this claim was false).
Now that Apple is the standard, standardization is evil and people should be able to buy whatever they want.
What a difference a decade makes.
I, for one, never found it reasonable then either (nor did I or do I view learning MS Word as essential part of education, but that's a different rant).
Funny how it was "perfectly reasonable" when Microsoft had a lock on the schools and businesses and people couldn't get a Mac if they wanted it. It was the right thing because standardization was so important and having multiple platforms increased costs (even though the data indicated that this claim was false).
Now that Apple is the standard, standardization is evil and people should be able to buy whatever they want.
What a difference a decade makes.
I personally dislike all of the low to no competition the big three tech companies have. Microsoft in office, Apple in Tablets, Google in search. Its not great but we all find ourselves trying the competition and coming right back. From the competition we go back due the feeling unfamiliar with the different product (in the case of google search) or the product being vastly inferior (Tablets and Office)
Most colleges issue test on Scantrons. Are you aware what you use to inter your answer on a Scantron.Its not a text message. And I would like to you to go to one single American University where there is not one professor who bans the use of computers from there lectures. In those lectures what does one take notes on? I had two professors like this. In fact when it comes to note taking its better to write it out then to type it out. Most students end up going to facebook and the computer becomes more of a distraction then a tool for them. Seriously go to the closest College in your area go to a large lecture and see how many of the computers are on facebook and not typing out notes.
enter, ?, it's, their, than, than.
Some students prefer typing/tapping notes, and some just listen to lectures.
I would suggest worrying more about your own education, rather than what your peers are doing.
Students choose and pay to attend college. Unless they are distracting other students (luddites notwithstanding), they can choose how to spend their time. It doesn't mean we should ban the most revolutionary learning tool in a decade because a few people misuse it. That's the tech equivalent of gun control, or at least what gun nuts think gun control means.
Most colleges issue test on Scantrons. Are you aware what you use to inter your answer on a Scantron.Its not a text message. And I would like to you to go to one single American University where there is not one professor who bans the use of computers from there lectures. In those lectures what does one take notes on? I had two professors like this. In fact when it comes to note taking its better to write it out then to type it out. Most students end up going to facebook and the computer becomes more of a distraction then a tool for them. Seriously go to the closest College in your area go to a large lecture and see how many of the computers are on facebook and not typing out notes.
enter, ?, it's, their, than, than.
Some students prefer typing/tapping notes, and some just listen to lectures.
I would suggest worrying more about your own education, rather than what your peers are doing.
Students choose and pay to attend college. Unless they are distracting other students (luddites notwithstanding), they can choose how to spend their time. It doesn't mean we should ban the most revolutionary learning tool in a decade because a few people misuse it. That's the tech equivalent of gun control, or at least what gun nuts think gun control means.
In my post I stated that a student can go to the campus library and check the books out. Me and my friends saved hundreds of dollars a year by doing this.
What a silly way to try to get an education. So you're going to spend $20 K on tuition and then get a crappy education because you want to save a couple hundred dollars on books? Not to mention, of course, that it's not really practical since you can probably only keep the book for a couple of weeks with maybe one renewal so you don't have it for the entire semester, anyway.
My very personal opinion is that this is a scandal.
A University, which represents, in my opinion, the right for anyone to access KNOWLEDGE, suddenly makes it mandatory to use the product of a given CORPORATION?
And then what's next? Tomorrow, only people driving BMWs can go to the MIT? Only people eating Quaker Oats are allowed in Harvard?
What the fucking ****, really.
As Apple][ puts it: "these people will now be forced to use an iPad, they have no choice". I don't find it funny at all. We are just out of a world where Microsoft cunningly "forced" people to use Windows, but at least it wasn't mandatory to use Windows to go to University.
Apple][, would you also find it "funny" if say, UCLA, or MIT, or Harvard, tomorrow, forced students to use Samsung Galaxy Tabs? Very funny? I did not think so either.
Funny how it was "perfectly reasonable" when Microsoft had a lock on the schools and businesses and people couldn't get a Mac if they wanted it. It was the right thing because standardization was so important and having multiple platforms increased costs (even though the data indicated that this claim was false).
Now that Apple is the standard, standardization is evil and people should be able to buy whatever they want.
What a difference a decade makes.
Don't forget than when ODF was standardized, Microsoft had another (DOCX) system 'standardized' in very debatable conditions. Now, that was an interesting definition of "using standards".
Wait wait, so "fucking" is allowed, but "f-u-c-k" is a sequence of letters that is banned? Ai, logical thinking please.
Also, f-u-c-k is not allowed, but "gun", or "murder", or "God" is allowed. This really will always shock me, that some people may consider a good and natural act as offensive, but absurd beliefs such as "Jesus came to save us all" isn't offensive, or "people should have a right to carry guns" is not offensive.
Why is even banning "f-u-c-k" legal in the USA, isn't that a breach of the 2nd amendment?
As Apple][ puts it: "these people will now be forced to use an iPad, they have no choice".
I don't find it funny at all. We are just out of a world where Microsoft cunningly "forced" people to use Windows, but at least it wasn't mandatory to use Windows to go to University.
Funny, this isn't the case now of Apple.
Originally Posted by lightknight
Wait wait, so "fucking" is allowed, but "f-u-c-k" is a sequence of letters that is banned? Ai, logical thinking please.
Hey, we'd prefer no filters. Huddler just has to update their settings.
Why is even banning "f-u-c-k" legal in the USA, isn't that a breach of the 2nd amendment?
Of course not. It's not even a breach of the first.
My very personal opinion is that this is a scandal.
A University, which represents, in my opinion, the right for anyone to access KNOWLEDGE, suddenly makes it mandatory to use the product of a given CORPORATION?
The University isn't forcing you to enroll. Don't want to learn by iPad? Don't apply.
Why is even banning "f-u-c-k" legal in the USA, isn't that a breach of the 2nd amendment?
What does the 2nd Amendment have to do with your choice of language (versus your right to bear arms)? Why should a private website such as AI be forced to air your choice of language? The 1st Amendment gave you freedom of speech against the government. It also gives AI the right to associate or, as in this case, disassociate from you.
In my post I stated that a student can go to the campus library and check the books out. Me and my friends saved hundreds of dollars a year by doing this.
"Me and my friends"? You should have bought the English grammar book ... and used it.
Yes, and if the university does not like people of your skin color, just go to a different one!
Enough of this nonsense. Many colleges have always had soft forced requirements for the computing utilities of a specific major.
For example, there are colleges whose majors require the use of certain Windows-only software. So the student is forced to buy Windows, even if they don't want it, to take that major.
This was NEVER an issue when music collages required MacBooks (well, iBooks) for their students. Now it's magically an "issue" with the iPad?
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Originally Posted by Kibitzer
You think $330 is bad? Try an average cost of $834 per year on books and supplies for their college classes, and that was according to the 2007-08 National Postsecondary Student Aid Study for full-time students. New textbook costs today are EIGHT TIMES what they cost in the late '70s, and for full-time students are estimated to reach an average of $1300 in 2013! By comparison, the Consumer Price Index has grown by two-and-a-half times over the same period. Schools are demonstrating that tablet technology is making real progress in regaining control over the cost of distributing knowledge in the college environment. Educators gain the flexibility to offer their students a richer learning experience that goes far beyond black and white type that started becoming out-of-date the moment the pages came off the printing press. iTunesU is the perfect demonstration of this capability. One more thing: Students with tablets don't get stuck with one more costly, white-elephant textbook at the end of the class term, which they may not even be able to trade in because a new publisher's edition has rendered it obsolete.
In my post I stated that a student can go to the campus library and check the books out. Me and my friends saved hundreds of dollars a year by doing this.
Originally Posted by Apple v. Samsung
Most colleges issue test on Scantrons.
Ha! I remember those. But Scantrons in college? I was unaware of that. Certainly not where I went, at least.
…see how many of the computers are on facebook and not typing out notes.
Don't I know it…
Here's the deal, many Us do require computers simply because they don't have the space for computer labs for the majority of their students.
It depends on the courses. My engineering and comp sci classes don't use multiple guess questions.
Funny how it was "perfectly reasonable" when Microsoft had a lock on the schools and businesses and people couldn't get a Mac if they wanted it. It was the right thing because standardization was so important and having multiple platforms increased costs (even though the data indicated that this claim was false).
Now that Apple is the standard, standardization is evil and people should be able to buy whatever they want.
What a difference a decade makes.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
Funny how it was "perfectly reasonable" when Microsoft had a lock on the schools and businesses and people couldn't get a Mac if they wanted it. It was the right thing because standardization was so important and having multiple platforms increased costs (even though the data indicated that this claim was false).
Now that Apple is the standard, standardization is evil and people should be able to buy whatever they want.
What a difference a decade makes.
I, for one, never found it reasonable then either (nor did I or do I view learning MS Word as essential part of education, but that's a different rant).
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Originally Posted by jragosta
Funny how it was "perfectly reasonable" when Microsoft had a lock on the schools and businesses and people couldn't get a Mac if they wanted it. It was the right thing because standardization was so important and having multiple platforms increased costs (even though the data indicated that this claim was false).
Now that Apple is the standard, standardization is evil and people should be able to buy whatever they want.
What a difference a decade makes.
I personally dislike all of the low to no competition the big three tech companies have. Microsoft in office, Apple in Tablets, Google in search. Its not great but we all find ourselves trying the competition and coming right back. From the competition we go back due the feeling unfamiliar with the different product (in the case of google search) or the product being vastly inferior (Tablets and Office)
Originally Posted by Apple v. Samsung
Most colleges issue test on Scantrons. Are you aware what you use to inter your answer on a Scantron. Its not a text message. And I would like to you to go to one single American University where there is not one professor who bans the use of computers from there lectures. In those lectures what does one take notes on? I had two professors like this. In fact when it comes to note taking its better to write it out then to type it out. Most students end up going to facebook and the computer becomes more of a distraction then a tool for them. Seriously go to the closest College in your area go to a large lecture and see how many of the computers are on facebook and not typing out notes.
enter, ?, it's, their, than, than.
Some students prefer typing/tapping notes, and some just listen to lectures.
I would suggest worrying more about your own education, rather than what your peers are doing.
Students choose and pay to attend college. Unless they are distracting other students (luddites notwithstanding), they can choose how to spend their time. It doesn't mean we should ban the most revolutionary learning tool in a decade because a few people misuse it. That's the tech equivalent of gun control, or at least what gun nuts think gun control means.
Originally Posted by Apple v. Samsung
Most colleges issue test on Scantrons. Are you aware what you use to inter your answer on a Scantron. Its not a text message. And I would like to you to go to one single American University where there is not one professor who bans the use of computers from there lectures. In those lectures what does one take notes on? I had two professors like this. In fact when it comes to note taking its better to write it out then to type it out. Most students end up going to facebook and the computer becomes more of a distraction then a tool for them. Seriously go to the closest College in your area go to a large lecture and see how many of the computers are on facebook and not typing out notes.
enter, ?, it's, their, than, than.
Some students prefer typing/tapping notes, and some just listen to lectures.
I would suggest worrying more about your own education, rather than what your peers are doing.
Students choose and pay to attend college. Unless they are distracting other students (luddites notwithstanding), they can choose how to spend their time. It doesn't mean we should ban the most revolutionary learning tool in a decade because a few people misuse it. That's the tech equivalent of gun control, or at least what gun nuts think gun control means.
What a silly way to try to get an education. So you're going to spend $20 K on tuition and then get a crappy education because you want to save a couple hundred dollars on books? Not to mention, of course, that it's not really practical since you can probably only keep the book for a couple of weeks with maybe one renewal so you don't have it for the entire semester, anyway.
Your evidence for that?
In all my years in college, teaching at colleges, and kids in school, I saw tests administered by Scantron only a couple of times - at most.
A University, which represents, in my opinion, the right for anyone to access KNOWLEDGE, suddenly makes it mandatory to use the product of a given CORPORATION?
And then what's next? Tomorrow, only people driving BMWs can go to the MIT? Only people eating Quaker Oats are allowed in Harvard?
What the fucking ****, really.
As Apple][ puts it: "these people will now be forced to use an iPad, they have no choice".
I don't find it funny at all. We are just out of a world where Microsoft cunningly "forced" people to use Windows, but at least it wasn't mandatory to use Windows to go to University.
Apple][, would you also find it "funny" if say, UCLA, or MIT, or Harvard, tomorrow, forced students to use Samsung Galaxy Tabs? Very funny? I did not think so either.
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Originally Posted by funkfeend
I am the director of technology at a private school (etc)
"Private School", that's fine by me.
Universities are my concern.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
Funny how it was "perfectly reasonable" when Microsoft had a lock on the schools and businesses and people couldn't get a Mac if they wanted it. It was the right thing because standardization was so important and having multiple platforms increased costs (even though the data indicated that this claim was false).
Now that Apple is the standard, standardization is evil and people should be able to buy whatever they want.
What a difference a decade makes.
Don't forget than when ODF was standardized, Microsoft had another (DOCX) system 'standardized' in very debatable conditions. Now, that was an interesting definition of "using standards".
Wait wait, so "fucking" is allowed, but "f-u-c-k" is a sequence of letters that is banned? Ai, logical thinking please.
Also, f-u-c-k is not allowed, but "gun", or "murder", or "God" is allowed. This really will always shock me, that some people may consider a good and natural act as offensive, but absurd beliefs such as "Jesus came to save us all" isn't offensive, or "people should have a right to carry guns" is not offensive.
Why is even banning "f-u-c-k" legal in the USA, isn't that a breach of the 2nd amendment?
Originally Posted by lightknight
As Apple][ puts it: "these people will now be forced to use an iPad, they have no choice".
I don't find it funny at all. We are just out of a world where Microsoft cunningly "forced" people to use Windows, but at least it wasn't mandatory to use Windows to go to University.
Funny, this isn't the case now of Apple.
Originally Posted by lightknight
Wait wait, so "fucking" is allowed, but "f-u-c-k" is a sequence of letters that is banned? Ai, logical thinking please.
Hey, we'd prefer no filters. Huddler just has to update their settings.
Why is even banning "f-u-c-k" legal in the USA, isn't that a breach of the 2nd amendment?
Of course not. It's not even a breach of the first.
The University isn't forcing you to enroll. Don't want to learn by iPad? Don't apply.
What does the 2nd Amendment have to do with your choice of language (versus your right to bear arms)? Why should a private website such as AI be forced to air your choice of language? The 1st Amendment gave you freedom of speech against the government. It also gives AI the right to associate or, as in this case, disassociate from you.
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Originally Posted by Apple v. Samsung
In my post I stated that a student can go to the campus library and check the books out. Me and my friends saved hundreds of dollars a year by doing this.
"Me and my friends"? You should have bought the English grammar book ... and used it.
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Originally Posted by jungmark
The University isn't forcing you to enroll. Don't want to learn by iPad? Don't apply.
Yes, and if the university does not like people of your skin color, just go to a different one!
Originally Posted by igriv
Yes, and if the university does not like people of your skin color, just go to a different one!
Enough of this nonsense. Many colleges have always had soft forced requirements for the computing utilities of a specific major.
For example, there are colleges whose majors require the use of certain Windows-only software. So the student is forced to buy Windows, even if they don't want it, to take that major.
This was NEVER an issue when music collages required MacBooks (well, iBooks) for their students. Now it's magically an "issue" with the iPad?
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Originally Posted by dasanman69
Problem is that he's not the only one saying it.
Still doesn't make it correct