Interesting timetable rumour. Don't think 1/4 are right. MOST importantly, it misses out on OS release. Does this mean we are stuck with ML till next year!?
The chart is utter crap. Do not pay attention to the chart.
I want to know what happened to all those great statistics and positive reviews these same analysts had 4 months ago when they were singing targets of $1000 to $1200 . Nothing has changed other than they broke even in earnings YoY (14Week Qtr vs 13Week Qtr) and they couldn't make iPads and iMacs fast enough from their September Intro and they missed projected numbers even though there was YoY positive growth. iPads have been readily available for a little over a month now and iMacs have finally reached current availability for standard configurations BTO are still holding at 3wks. I really think some of these hedge fund managers manipulated the stock and then forced it to tank by doing late (POST fiscal cliff) profit taking.
Cook calls everything they release "great' and "perfect" even when the newest items is modifying a prior product that was also "perfect." Hey, it's great to be optimistic, but if everything is always "great" then great becomes the new average. Not saying they wont continue to be a cash cow, but EPS contraction will start next quarter and continue unless they come up with a new, high margin product that would have mass appeal. So lets get the dividend up to 3.5% and at least make the wait more enjoyable.
Give ONE example of Cook calling a SINGLE Apple product perfect. Just ONE. If you can't, then stop talking out of your ass. I'm tried of intellectually dishonest people like yourself just hyping horse-shit for the sake of it, which has no factual basis in reality, in order to smear and mock.
Also, if you go by reviews, and customer satisfaction, Apple products by and large ARE pretty great. Every single Apple device released in 2012 got fantastic reviews, from the Retina Mabooks, to the iMacs, to the iPad mini. Why shouldn't Apple's executive team be allowed to use positive adjectives to describe their products? Their products are indeed great, as would aknowledge the vast majority of people who use them. The fact that you're butt-hurt over the word "great" doesn't change that fact.
The 2013 roadmap shows the whole story of why AAPL has plummeted 37% in the last 6 months: innovation has stalled at Apple Inc. since the death of Steve Jobs.
Apple hasn't announced a major new product since the original iPad. That was 3 years ago. Every product since then has been a refinement of an existing product.
Wall Street understands that the only reason Apple is the dominant player in the marketplace today is because of its relentless innovation while Jobs was at the helm. They're betting that now that he's gone, Apple will revert to playing it safe, hence the steady sell-off. And so far they've been correct. Apple is well on its way to becoming just another tech company. like HP or Microsoft, where products are evolutionary rather than revolutionary and everything is designed by a committee. There's no Steve Jobs around with the vision to dream up insanely great products we didn't know we needed until he showed them to us. And there's no one to kick butts until the design matches the vision. Apple is on a fast track to mediocrity and The Street knows it.
I want to know what happened to all those great statistics and positive reviews these same analysts had 4 months ago when they were singing targets of $1000 to $1200 . Nothing has changed other than they broke even in earnings YoY (14Week Qtr vs 13Week Qtr) and they couldn't make iPads and iMacs fast enough from their September Intro and they missed projected numbers even though there was YoY positive growth. iPads have been readily available for a little over a month now and iMacs have finally reached current availability for standard configurations BTO are still holding at 3wks. I really think some of these hedge fund managers manipulated the stock and then forced it to tank by doing late (POST fiscal cliff) profit taking.
Nothing really happened, it is just that analysts predictions generally reflect what has happened in the near past much better that what is likely to happen in the near to mid future.
Most analysts are very poor 'emotional' investors as they not only have to reflect what their research indicates but use terribly short timescales of past data to do so. This rarely gives a good indication of what is likely to happen.
There have been a number of studies regarding this and the conclusion that is often drawn is that analysts are just picking the wrong data sets in the first place and therefore cannot help but come up with poor conclusions.
I would always be happier to listen to an economists view and draw my own conclusions as they tend to be looking at lessons learned over a much longer period and sometimes even learning lessons from the past.
On the other hand I always get very uncomfortable when anyone starts saying it is different this time and so the previous experience doesn't count. That is a sell or buy signal for me and has usually served me pretty well. Being a long term, informed contrarian will generally leave you up. Just don't believe you are smart when you get lucky
I don't know what to say about Apple. As a longtime Apple user and fan.. these days lately I have yet to see very little sparkly giddy excitement come about around Apple. Lets be honest I think since Steve's death, Cook has only released I think 4 or 5 products under his belt and the only product proving successful is the iPad Mini. iWork and iLife hasnt seen a product update in years, nothing "revolutionary" has come out of Apple the past few years and with any lack of TV advertisement ( remember the I'm a Mac, I'm a PC?) that is helping Apple gain some popularity is hurting Apple big time. I used to think Apple was going to do well without Steve Jobs because of these executives has been with Steven since 1997 but I'm beginning to lose faith. Its confusing really. I hope Apple picks up their dam balls off the ground and really return to "Apple" of earlier days when Steve was around and turn this world around one more time if not a few more times. Cause honestly, I really miss Steve Jobs at the helms.
The 2013 roadmap shows the whole story of why AAPL has plummeted 37% in the last 6 months: innovation has stalled at Apple Inc. since the death of Steve Jobs.
Apple hasn't announced a major new product since the original iPad. That was 3 years ago. Every product since then has been a refinement of an existing product.
Wall Street understands that the only reason Apple is the dominant player in the marketplace today is because of its relentless innovation while Jobs was at the helm. They're betting that now that he's gone, Apple will revert to playing it safe, hence the steady sell-off. And so far they've been correct. Apple is well on its way to becoming just another tech company. like HP or Microsoft, where products are evolutionary rather than revolutionary and everything is designed by a committee. There's no Steve Jobs around with the vision to dream up insanely great products we didn't know we needed until he showed them to us. And there's no one to kick butts until the design matches the vision. Apple is on a fast track to mediocrity and The Street knows it.
I actually think being so quite is hurting them these days. If their new schedule is to go 6 months without any product announcement (assuming we won't see anything until WWDC) that's a long time to be silent and creates a vacuum that right now is being filled with FUD and D&G. Part of me is hoping they have something to announce in April or May. But another part is not wanting them to release anything that's not ready, and not to release just for the sake of it, just to fill a lull in the calendar.
I agree, which was my basic point: if they are going to be tight lipped like Apple under Jobs, then be tight lipped and stop letting useless bits like this leak. If they are going to be more open about new products, though, they need to actually be OPEN about them. This straddling the fence nonsense is getting old.
It's the stock market. it will go up and down throughout the day. Those that can't fluctuation should not be investors.
Day? Try last few months, Sol. I've owned my current stock since 1997, so it's all gravy to me at this point since I'm not dumb enough to keep something so volatile in my retirement portfolio, but Apple is Tim's to lose, and so far I'm not exactly heartened by what I've seen or heard of his tenure in the big office. The market, it would seem, agrees with me, which is why he needs to shit or get off the pot already, as my grandpa loved to say.
The 2013 roadmap shows the whole story of why AAPL has plummeted 37% in the last 6 months: innovation has stalled at Apple Inc. since the death of Steve Jobs.
Apple hasn't announced a major new product since the original iPad. That was 3 years ago. Every product since then has been a refinement of an existing product.
Wall Street understands that the only reason Apple is the dominant player in the marketplace today is because of its relentless innovation while Jobs was at the helm. They're betting that now that he's gone, Apple will revert to playing it safe, hence the steady sell-off. And so far they've been correct. Apple is well on its way to becoming just another tech company. like HP or Microsoft, where products are evolutionary rather than revolutionary and everything is designed by a committee. There's no Steve Jobs around with the vision to dream up insanely great products we didn't know we needed until he showed them to us. And there's no one to kick butts until the design matches the vision. Apple is on a fast track to mediocrity and The Street knows it.
For your information the iPhone was released 3 years prior to the iPad, while the iPod was released 6 years prior to the iPhone. So exactly how has innovation stagnated at Apple again? The street don't know crap!
The 2013 roadmap shows the whole story of why AAPL has plummeted 37% in the last 6 months: innovation has stalled at Apple Inc. since the death of Steve Jobs.
Apple hasn't announced a major new product since the original iPad. That was 3 years ago. Every product since then has been a refinement of an existing product.
Wall Street understands that the only reason Apple is the dominant player in the marketplace today is because of its relentless innovation while Jobs was at the helm. They're betting that now that he's gone, Apple will revert to playing it safe, hence the steady sell-off. And so far they've been correct. Apple is well on its way to becoming just another tech company. like HP or Microsoft, where products are evolutionary rather than revolutionary and everything is designed by a committee. There's no Steve Jobs around with the vision to dream up insanely great products we didn't know we needed until he showed them to us. And there's no one to kick butts until the design matches the vision. Apple is on a fast track to mediocrity and The Street knows it.
EXACTLY! Everyone who continues to argue that APPL is extremely undervalued needs to reread the above, and remember the market rises or falls based on how investors perceive a company WILL perform down the road, not how it has performed or is performing. The price has been hovering in the low to mid 400's because the market is waiting to see if Apple will remain Apple, now that the last of Steve's products have shipped. They need to release something new, innovative, and market leading, and instead it seems like they are only slightly bumping up the specs and stamping an S on what's currently selling. That's fine for 2013, hell even 2014 most likely, but after that all bets are off.
The 2013 roadmap shows the whole story of why AAPL has plummeted 37% in the last 6 months: innovation has stalled at Apple Inc. since the death of Steve Jobs.
Apple hasn't announced a major new product since the original iPad. That was 3 years ago. Every product since then has been a refinement of an existing product.
Wall Street understands that the only reason Apple is the dominant player in the marketplace today is because of its relentless innovation while Jobs was at the helm. They're betting that now that he's gone, Apple will revert to playing it safe, hence the steady sell-off. And so far they've been correct. Apple is well on its way to becoming just another tech company. like HP or Microsoft, where products are evolutionary rather than revolutionary and everything is designed by a committee. There's no Steve Jobs around with the vision to dream up insanely great products we didn't know we needed until he showed them to us. And there's no one to kick butts until the design matches the vision. Apple is on a fast track to mediocrity and The Street knows it.
Your post isn't original, it's been written a million times by trolls, and every single time it's still fucking stupid. A whole 3 years without a completely new product category? Oh Noes! It seems you have no sense or clue about Apple's history. How long between the iPod and iPhone? 6 years. In that time, they expanded the iPod lineup, as they're doing now with the iPad. iPhone and iPad? 3 years- and they started developing the iPad before the iPhone. 3 years is the absolute SHORTEST amount of time in Apple's history between product categories. And the iPad was "low lying fruit" as to speak, a product that people were fantasizing about for ages. There is no obvious "next" product now, as there was with a phone and a tablet. Everything Apple makes is some typie of computer- how many form factors are left, or make sense? Yet now, you're pretending as if 3 years is just an extreme amount of time between which to complete revolutionalize industries? As if this shit can happen on a regular schedule?? Jesus Christ.
Apple's purpose isn't to release some new widget every year to entertain superficial, easily bored people such as yourself. Their goal is to release game changing products that deserve to exist, and that have a long roadmap in Apple's future. 2012 was the omst aggressive year in Apple's history, and the busiest in terms of product releases, both hardware AND software. Not that I expect you to have a shred of context to realize this, but this is what Apple did JUST in 2012, which eclipses any other year in their history:
- Completely redesigned 15" MBP with highest resolution laptop of that size in the world
- Completely redesigned 13" MBP with highest resolution laptop of that size in the world
- New iPad with Retina display- again, massive achievement
- Completely redesigned iPod touch
- Completely redesigned iPod nano
- Completely redesigned iMac- most significant change in years
- Completely redesigned iPhone- 1st change in screen size/aspect ratio since inception
- iPad mini- Completely new iPad line
- 4th generation iPad- fastest refresh in their history
- refreshed Macbook Airs
- refreshed classic MBPs
- refreshed Mac mini
- refreshed Apple TV
- Biggest Apple TV interface change in its history
- New iTunes- most significant update since it first launched a decade ago
- New iOS appstore- biggest update since it 1st launched in 2008
- iOS 6- major release of iOS
- OSX 10.8- major release of OSX
- New maps- launched a completely new mapping product from the ground up, not an insignificant accomplishment
- Transition to new dock connector + cable for all products, 1st change in the last decade
- A6 and A6X chip- custom designed chip that has set new benchmarks for performance and has gotten rave reviews from anyone who knows anything about chips
- significant updates to all OSX/iOS apps
Yeah, the company is is clearly sitting on their asses. Apple will release a completely new product category when they have perfected that product and figured out exactly how it will fit into their ecosystem and their future. Demanding they rush this process so you can have a new shiny thing is childish and idiotic. Cook has been on the job a bit more than a year. ONE YEAR. I don't think you have a fucking clue what innovation even means.
EXACTLY! Everyone who continues to argue that APPL is extremely undervalued needs to reread the above, and remember the market rises or falls based on how investors perceive a company WILL perform down the road, not how it has performed or is performing. The price has been hovering in the low to mid 400's because the market is waiting to see if Apple will remain Apple, now that the last of Steve's products have shipped. They need to release something new, innovative, and market leading, and instead it seems like they are only slightly bumping up the specs and stamping an S on what's currently selling. That's fine for 2013, hell even 2014 most likely, but after that all bets are off.
Taking into consideration how long the iPhone and iPad were in development, how in the hell do you know that the last of the products that Steve was involved with have shipped?
I don't know what to say about Apple. As a longtime Apple user and fan.. these days lately I have yet to see very little sparkly giddy excitement come about around Apple. Lets be honest I think since Steve's death, Cook has only released I think 4 or 5 products under his belt and the only product proving successful is the iPad Mini. iWork and iLife hasnt seen a product update in years, nothing "revolutionary" has come out of Apple the past few years and with any lack of TV advertisement ( remember the I'm a Mac, I'm a PC?) that is helping Apple gain some popularity is hurting Apple big time. I used to think Apple was going to do well without Steve Jobs because of these executives has been with Steven since 1997 but I'm beginning to lose faith. Its confusing really. I hope Apple picks up their dam balls off the ground and really return to "Apple" of earlier days when Steve was around and turn this world around one more time if not a few more times. Cause honestly, I really miss Steve Jobs at the helms.
I know, Cook has been on the job for a year and a half and no revolutionary products. I remember when Jobs came back and reinvented 123 markets in his first 20 days. It was frakking amazing! /s
Lack if TV ads? Do you even watch TV? There's been iPad/iPhone ads on every other show. Not sure how its hurting Apple as they sell record numbers every quarter.
The 2013 roadmap shows the whole story of why AAPL has plummeted 37% in the last 6 months: innovation has stalled at Apple Inc. since the death of Steve Jobs.
Apple hasn't announced a major new product since the original iPad. That was 3 years ago. Every product since then has been a refinement of an existing product.
Wall Street understands that the only reason Apple is the dominant player in the marketplace today is because of its relentless innovation while Jobs was at the helm. They're betting that now that he's gone, Apple will revert to playing it safe, hence the steady sell-off. And so far they've been correct. Apple is well on its way to becoming just another tech company. like HP or Microsoft, where products are evolutionary rather than revolutionary and everything is designed by a committee. There's no Steve Jobs around with the vision to dream up insanely great products we didn't know we needed until he showed them to us. And there's no one to kick butts until the design matches the vision. Apple is on a fast track to mediocrity and The Street knows it.
3 yrs is along time. The iPhone took 6 years after the iPod. Wait, 6>3. Name the yearly revolutionary products Jobs announced. You should have 14-15 products in mind.
3 yrs is along time. The iPhone took 6 years after the iPod. Wait, 6>3. Name the yearly revolutionary products Jobs announced. You should have 14-15 products in mind.
SJ returned to Apple in 1996. Since then, Apple has come out with 4 products most could consider revolutionary: iMac, iPod, iPhone, iPad. That's 4 products in 15 years, or one almost every 4 years. Tim Cook is being raked over the goals for not releasing such a product after only a year on the job- even while that year saw more major redesigns, refreshes, and expansion of product lines than any time in Apple's history, not to mention major software releases of both desktop and mobile platforms. But hey, no revolution in that year, so obviously innovation is dead and Apple is "on the fast track to mediocrity".
It shows you how entitled, whiny, spoiled, and cynical people have become (like popnfresh). You can bet this same person will mock and deride whatever new thing Apple comes up with.
The 2013 roadmap shows the whole story of why AAPL has plummeted 37% in the last 6 months: innovation has stalled at Apple Inc. since the death of Steve Jobs.
Apple hasn't announced a major new product since the original iPad. That was 3 years ago. Every product since then has been a refinement of an existing product.
Wall Street understands that the only reason Apple is the dominant player in the marketplace today is because of its relentless innovation while Jobs was at the helm. They're betting that now that he's gone, Apple will revert to playing it safe, hence the steady sell-off. And so far they've been correct. Apple is well on its way to becoming just another tech company. like HP or Microsoft, where products are evolutionary rather than revolutionary and everything is designed by a committee. There's no Steve Jobs around with the vision to dream up insanely great products we didn't know we needed until he showed them to us. And there's no one to kick butts until the design matches the vision. Apple is on a fast track to mediocrity and The Street knows it.
I think what people like you should realize is that it is utterly wrong to expect a breakthrough product every other year from one company. Actually I fully agree with SJ who said during the iPhone keynote that having just one one breakthrough product is already a blessing and rarely achieved. Having three is really special (he mentioned Mac, iPod, iPhone). Also the refinements apple does are still leading edge such as unibody enclosure, retina display, lightning, or simply overall trends such as leaving out disk drives, optical drives etc.
if you would apply a metric for innovation I'm sure it shows that apple is constantly outperforming most if not all of its competition.
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Originally Posted by woodbine
WOT! no MacPro in that timeline....
Originally Posted by scottyltd
Interesting timetable rumour. Don't think 1/4 are right. MOST importantly, it misses out on OS release. Does this mean we are stuck with ML till next year!?
The chart is utter crap. Do not pay attention to the chart.
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Originally Posted by tkell31
Cook calls everything they release "great' and "perfect" even when the newest items is modifying a prior product that was also "perfect." Hey, it's great to be optimistic, but if everything is always "great" then great becomes the new average. Not saying they wont continue to be a cash cow, but EPS contraction will start next quarter and continue unless they come up with a new, high margin product that would have mass appeal. So lets get the dividend up to 3.5% and at least make the wait more enjoyable.
Give ONE example of Cook calling a SINGLE Apple product perfect. Just ONE. If you can't, then stop talking out of your ass. I'm tried of intellectually dishonest people like yourself just hyping horse-shit for the sake of it, which has no factual basis in reality, in order to smear and mock.
Also, if you go by reviews, and customer satisfaction, Apple products by and large ARE pretty great. Every single Apple device released in 2012 got fantastic reviews, from the Retina Mabooks, to the iMacs, to the iPad mini. Why shouldn't Apple's executive team be allowed to use positive adjectives to describe their products? Their products are indeed great, as would aknowledge the vast majority of people who use them. The fact that you're butt-hurt over the word "great" doesn't change that fact.
Apple hasn't announced a major new product since the original iPad. That was 3 years ago. Every product since then has been a refinement of an existing product.
Wall Street understands that the only reason Apple is the dominant player in the marketplace today is because of its relentless innovation while Jobs was at the helm. They're betting that now that he's gone, Apple will revert to playing it safe, hence the steady sell-off. And so far they've been correct. Apple is well on its way to becoming just another tech company. like HP or Microsoft, where products are evolutionary rather than revolutionary and everything is designed by a committee. There's no Steve Jobs around with the vision to dream up insanely great products we didn't know we needed until he showed them to us. And there's no one to kick butts until the design matches the vision. Apple is on a fast track to mediocrity and The Street knows it.
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Originally Posted by KennMSr
I want to know what happened to all those great statistics and positive reviews these same analysts had 4 months ago when they were singing targets of $1000 to $1200 . Nothing has changed other than they broke even in earnings YoY (14Week Qtr vs 13Week Qtr) and they couldn't make iPads and iMacs fast enough from their September Intro and they missed projected numbers even though there was YoY positive growth. iPads have been readily available for a little over a month now and iMacs have finally reached current availability for standard configurations BTO are still holding at 3wks. I really think some of these hedge fund managers manipulated the stock and then forced it to tank by doing late (POST fiscal cliff) profit taking.
Nothing really happened, it is just that analysts predictions generally reflect what has happened in the near past much better that what is likely to happen in the near to mid future.
Most analysts are very poor 'emotional' investors as they not only have to reflect what their research indicates but use terribly short timescales of past data to do so. This rarely gives a good indication of what is likely to happen.
There have been a number of studies regarding this and the conclusion that is often drawn is that analysts are just picking the wrong data sets in the first place and therefore cannot help but come up with poor conclusions.
I would always be happier to listen to an economists view and draw my own conclusions as they tend to be looking at lessons learned over a much longer period and sometimes even learning lessons from the past.
On the other hand I always get very uncomfortable when anyone starts saying it is different this time and so the previous experience doesn't count. That is a sell or buy signal for me and has usually served me pretty well. Being a long term, informed contrarian will generally leave you up. Just don't believe you are smart when you get lucky
It's the stock market. it will go up and down throughout the day. Those that can't fluctuation should not be investors.
Raise target = a sell
It always works .
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Originally Posted by Rogifan
I actually think being so quite is hurting them these days. If their new schedule is to go 6 months without any product announcement (assuming we won't see anything until WWDC) that's a long time to be silent and creates a vacuum that right now is being filled with FUD and D&G. Part of me is hoping they have something to announce in April or May. But another part is not wanting them to release anything that's not ready, and not to release just for the sake of it, just to fill a lull in the calendar.
I agree, which was my basic point: if they are going to be tight lipped like Apple under Jobs, then be tight lipped and stop letting useless bits like this leak. If they are going to be more open about new products, though, they need to actually be OPEN about them. This straddling the fence nonsense is getting old.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
It's the stock market. it will go up and down throughout the day. Those that can't fluctuation should not be investors.
Day? Try last few months, Sol. I've owned my current stock since 1997, so it's all gravy to me at this point since I'm not dumb enough to keep something so volatile in my retirement portfolio, but Apple is Tim's to lose, and so far I'm not exactly heartened by what I've seen or heard of his tenure in the big office. The market, it would seem, agrees with me, which is why he needs to shit or get off the pot already, as my grandpa loved to say.
For your information the iPhone was released 3 years prior to the iPad, while the iPod was released 6 years prior to the iPhone. So exactly how has innovation stagnated at Apple again? The street don't know crap!
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Originally Posted by popnfresh
The 2013 roadmap shows the whole story of why AAPL has plummeted 37% in the last 6 months: innovation has stalled at Apple Inc. since the death of Steve Jobs.
Apple hasn't announced a major new product since the original iPad. That was 3 years ago. Every product since then has been a refinement of an existing product.
Wall Street understands that the only reason Apple is the dominant player in the marketplace today is because of its relentless innovation while Jobs was at the helm. They're betting that now that he's gone, Apple will revert to playing it safe, hence the steady sell-off. And so far they've been correct. Apple is well on its way to becoming just another tech company. like HP or Microsoft, where products are evolutionary rather than revolutionary and everything is designed by a committee. There's no Steve Jobs around with the vision to dream up insanely great products we didn't know we needed until he showed them to us. And there's no one to kick butts until the design matches the vision. Apple is on a fast track to mediocrity and The Street knows it.
EXACTLY! Everyone who continues to argue that APPL is extremely undervalued needs to reread the above, and remember the market rises or falls based on how investors perceive a company WILL perform down the road, not how it has performed or is performing. The price has been hovering in the low to mid 400's because the market is waiting to see if Apple will remain Apple, now that the last of Steve's products have shipped. They need to release something new, innovative, and market leading, and instead it seems like they are only slightly bumping up the specs and stamping an S on what's currently selling. That's fine for 2013, hell even 2014 most likely, but after that all bets are off.
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Originally Posted by popnfresh
The 2013 roadmap shows the whole story of why AAPL has plummeted 37% in the last 6 months: innovation has stalled at Apple Inc. since the death of Steve Jobs.
Apple hasn't announced a major new product since the original iPad. That was 3 years ago. Every product since then has been a refinement of an existing product.
Wall Street understands that the only reason Apple is the dominant player in the marketplace today is because of its relentless innovation while Jobs was at the helm. They're betting that now that he's gone, Apple will revert to playing it safe, hence the steady sell-off. And so far they've been correct. Apple is well on its way to becoming just another tech company. like HP or Microsoft, where products are evolutionary rather than revolutionary and everything is designed by a committee. There's no Steve Jobs around with the vision to dream up insanely great products we didn't know we needed until he showed them to us. And there's no one to kick butts until the design matches the vision. Apple is on a fast track to mediocrity and The Street knows it.
Your post isn't original, it's been written a million times by trolls, and every single time it's still fucking stupid. A whole 3 years without a completely new product category? Oh Noes! It seems you have no sense or clue about Apple's history. How long between the iPod and iPhone? 6 years. In that time, they expanded the iPod lineup, as they're doing now with the iPad. iPhone and iPad? 3 years- and they started developing the iPad before the iPhone. 3 years is the absolute SHORTEST amount of time in Apple's history between product categories. And the iPad was "low lying fruit" as to speak, a product that people were fantasizing about for ages. There is no obvious "next" product now, as there was with a phone and a tablet. Everything Apple makes is some typie of computer- how many form factors are left, or make sense? Yet now, you're pretending as if 3 years is just an extreme amount of time between which to complete revolutionalize industries? As if this shit can happen on a regular schedule?? Jesus Christ.
Apple's purpose isn't to release some new widget every year to entertain superficial, easily bored people such as yourself. Their goal is to release game changing products that deserve to exist, and that have a long roadmap in Apple's future. 2012 was the omst aggressive year in Apple's history, and the busiest in terms of product releases, both hardware AND software. Not that I expect you to have a shred of context to realize this, but this is what Apple did JUST in 2012, which eclipses any other year in their history:
- Completely redesigned 15" MBP with highest resolution laptop of that size in the world
- Completely redesigned 13" MBP with highest resolution laptop of that size in the world
- New iPad with Retina display- again, massive achievement
- Completely redesigned iPod touch
- Completely redesigned iPod nano
- Completely redesigned iMac- most significant change in years
- Completely redesigned iPhone- 1st change in screen size/aspect ratio since inception
- iPad mini- Completely new iPad line
- 4th generation iPad- fastest refresh in their history
- refreshed Macbook Airs
- refreshed classic MBPs
- refreshed Mac mini
- refreshed Apple TV
- Biggest Apple TV interface change in its history
- New iTunes- most significant update since it first launched a decade ago
- New iOS appstore- biggest update since it 1st launched in 2008
- iOS 6- major release of iOS
- OSX 10.8- major release of OSX
- New maps- launched a completely new mapping product from the ground up, not an insignificant accomplishment
- Transition to new dock connector + cable for all products, 1st change in the last decade
- A6 and A6X chip- custom designed chip that has set new benchmarks for performance and has gotten rave reviews from anyone who knows anything about chips
- significant updates to all OSX/iOS apps
Yeah, the company is is clearly sitting on their asses. Apple will release a completely new product category when they have perfected that product and figured out exactly how it will fit into their ecosystem and their future. Demanding they rush this process so you can have a new shiny thing is childish and idiotic. Cook has been on the job a bit more than a year. ONE YEAR. I don't think you have a fucking clue what innovation even means.
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Originally Posted by Cash907
EXACTLY! Everyone who continues to argue that APPL is extremely undervalued needs to reread the above, and remember the market rises or falls based on how investors perceive a company WILL perform down the road, not how it has performed or is performing. The price has been hovering in the low to mid 400's because the market is waiting to see if Apple will remain Apple, now that the last of Steve's products have shipped. They need to release something new, innovative, and market leading, and instead it seems like they are only slightly bumping up the specs and stamping an S on what's currently selling. That's fine for 2013, hell even 2014 most likely, but after that all bets are off.
Taking into consideration how long the iPhone and iPad were in development, how in the hell do you know that the last of the products that Steve was involved with have shipped?
I know, Cook has been on the job for a year and a half and no revolutionary products. I remember when Jobs came back and reinvented 123 markets in his first 20 days. It was frakking amazing! /s
Lack if TV ads? Do you even watch TV? There's been iPad/iPhone ads on every other show. Not sure how its hurting Apple as they sell record numbers every quarter.
3 yrs is along time. The iPhone took 6 years after the iPod. Wait, 6>3. Name the yearly revolutionary products Jobs announced. You should have 14-15 products in mind.
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Originally Posted by jungmark
3 yrs is along time. The iPhone took 6 years after the iPod. Wait, 6>3. Name the yearly revolutionary products Jobs announced. You should have 14-15 products in mind.
SJ returned to Apple in 1996. Since then, Apple has come out with 4 products most could consider revolutionary: iMac, iPod, iPhone, iPad. That's 4 products in 15 years, or one almost every 4 years. Tim Cook is being raked over the goals for not releasing such a product after only a year on the job- even while that year saw more major redesigns, refreshes, and expansion of product lines than any time in Apple's history, not to mention major software releases of both desktop and mobile platforms. But hey, no revolution in that year, so obviously innovation is dead and Apple is "on the fast track to mediocrity".
It shows you how entitled, whiny, spoiled, and cynical people have become (like popnfresh). You can bet this same person will mock and deride whatever new thing Apple comes up with.
I think what people like you should realize is that it is utterly wrong to expect a breakthrough product every other year from one company. Actually I fully agree with SJ who said during the iPhone keynote that having just one one breakthrough product is already a blessing and rarely achieved. Having three is really special (he mentioned Mac, iPod, iPhone). Also the refinements apple does are still leading edge such as unibody enclosure, retina display, lightning, or simply overall trends such as leaving out disk drives, optical drives etc.
if you would apply a metric for innovation I'm sure it shows that apple is constantly outperforming most if not all of its competition.
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Originally Posted by tkell31
Cook calls everything they release "great' and "perfect" even when the newest items is modifying a prior product that was also "perfect."...
Actually, "perfect" only gets said a couple of times, and only once by Mr Cook: