By November of 2007 Google had also demoed a touchscreen proof-of-concept Android phone. They weren't just looking at Microsoft or Blackberry-esque designs. There were a few different ones being shown around. It's just the Blackberry one that ever gets mentioned.
The Blackberry one is mentioned as that's the only one that came before the iPhone so it shows what Google came up with without Apple's influence. Multi-touch concepts that arrived months after the iPhone only showed how far behind they actually were and this was backed up by it taking 2 years to bring the proof of concepts to production. They did make a few better decisions like non-blocking notifications (as did Palm) that Apple eventually adopted and having a notification center but it's crazy to suggest that Android's minor refinements mean Google or Android device manufacturers are now the innovators that Apple has to copy and that they are catching up.
Google's choices for their software development do allow the possibility of getting newer features faster as any manufacturer can develop their own features into the OS but it comes at a price. That price includes Android device manufacturers struggling to differentiate themselves from the crowd and in some cases end up fragmenting the OS. It also includes an increased likelihood of malware. These things need to be acknowledged. Too often it resorts to one company's efforts being the right way and the other being the wrong way. Apple's and Google's choices both have advantages and disadvantages and they both make innovative developments but by far, Apple took the biggest steps forward and that shouldn't be dismissed.
The choices that Apple makes generally also seem to come out on top such as the software keyboard and curated app store that were originally criticised.
The Blackberry one is mentioned as that's the only one that came before the iPhone so it shows what Google came up with without Apple's influence. Multi-touch concepts that arrived months after the iPhone only showed how far behind they actually were and this was backed up by it taking 2 years to bring the proof of concepts to production. They did make a few better decisions like non-blocking notifications (as did Palm) that Apple eventually adopted and having a notification center but it's crazy to suggest that Android's minor refinements mean Google or Android device manufacturers are now the innovators that Apple has to copy and that they are catching up.
Google's choices for their software development do allow the possibility of getting newer features faster as any manufacturer can develop their own features into the OS but it comes at a price. That price includes Android device manufacturers struggling to differentiate themselves from the crowd and in some cases end up fragmenting the OS. It also includes an increased likelihood of malware. These things need to be acknowledged. Too often it resorts to one company's efforts being the right way and the other being the wrong way. Apple's and Google's choices both have advantages and disadvantages and they both make innovative developments but by far, Apple took the biggest steps forward and that shouldn't be dismissed.
The choices that Apple makes generally also seem to come out on top such as the software keyboard and curated app store that were originally criticised.
Marvin, did you look at the video I linked from November of 2007 which predates the Blackberry-like image you offered? I'm guessing not. There's plainly a touchscreen Android phone demoed in it.
As for who's innovating and whose imitating, both Apple and Google are very obviously influenced by each other, yet both are developing their own unique features.
Marvin, did you look at the video I linked from November of 2007 which predates the Blackberry-like image you offered? I'm guessing not. There's plainly a touchscreen Android phone demoed in it.
As for who's innovating and whose imitating, both Apple and Google are very obviously influenced by each other, yet both are developing their own unique features.
Marvin, did you look at the video I linked from November of 2007 which predates the Blackberry-like image you offered? I'm guessing not. There's plainly a touchscreen Android phone demoed in it.
I watched the video and saw the touchscreen Android phone without a software keyboard or pinch zoom but the Blackberry one is based on their original designs from 2006:
The point is just that they clearly had to redesign the whole thing when the iPhone arrived - it wasn't built properly for touch input - and if it hadn't been for Apple, Android phones today would probably still look like Blackberry phones (as would Blackberry phones).
As for who's innovating and whose imitating, both Apple and Google are very obviously influenced by each other, yet both are developing their own unique features.
The ratio of innovation to imitation isn't the same with both though. There's a strong effort to try and put the two on level ground now that Apple has a notification panel and that's not a fair thing to do.
The ratio of innovation to imitation isn't the same with both though. There's a strong effort to try and put the two on level ground now that Apple has a notification panel and that's not a fair thing to do.
That's a valid point. Android has "lagged" behind iOS for most of it's existence. It's only been in the past year or so that they could be considered on equal footing, yet separate and unique IMO.
The article was on AI a few days ago, and you commented on it.
Jeeze you have poor memory, or is it a selected one ?
If someone tells me, you have a 78% chance of being hit by the train if you cross at the level crossing that is not controlled by warning lights and a barrier, versus 0.17% if you cross where it is encouraged to (due to warning/barrier etc.), I guess you would not only cross where its dangerous but poke your tongue to mock those who do the correct thing.
The article didn't claim Android devices had a 78% chance of being infected with malware so you've not offered a valid analogy. When you can come back with a source showing the actual rate of infection then we have something to discuss. X% of some undefined number doesn't tell you a thing about how prevalent malware is.
For those without the patience to wait for numbers from HFTS, here's some to put things in perspective. According to estimates based on a report from Lookout Security the percentage of US Android devices that will encounter some form of malware in 2013: Less than 1/2 of 1%.. In Japan even less than that. Russia on the other hand comes in at 35%. Note that even includes relatively benign Adware.
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The Blackberry one is mentioned as that's the only one that came before the iPhone so it shows what Google came up with without Apple's influence. Multi-touch concepts that arrived months after the iPhone only showed how far behind they actually were and this was backed up by it taking 2 years to bring the proof of concepts to production. They did make a few better decisions like non-blocking notifications (as did Palm) that Apple eventually adopted and having a notification center but it's crazy to suggest that Android's minor refinements mean Google or Android device manufacturers are now the innovators that Apple has to copy and that they are catching up.
Google's choices for their software development do allow the possibility of getting newer features faster as any manufacturer can develop their own features into the OS but it comes at a price. That price includes Android device manufacturers struggling to differentiate themselves from the crowd and in some cases end up fragmenting the OS. It also includes an increased likelihood of malware. These things need to be acknowledged. Too often it resorts to one company's efforts being the right way and the other being the wrong way. Apple's and Google's choices both have advantages and disadvantages and they both make innovative developments but by far, Apple took the biggest steps forward and that shouldn't be dismissed.
The choices that Apple makes generally also seem to come out on top such as the software keyboard and curated app store that were originally criticised.
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Originally Posted by Marvin
The Blackberry one is mentioned as that's the only one that came before the iPhone so it shows what Google came up with without Apple's influence. Multi-touch concepts that arrived months after the iPhone only showed how far behind they actually were and this was backed up by it taking 2 years to bring the proof of concepts to production. They did make a few better decisions like non-blocking notifications (as did Palm) that Apple eventually adopted and having a notification center but it's crazy to suggest that Android's minor refinements mean Google or Android device manufacturers are now the innovators that Apple has to copy and that they are catching up.
Google's choices for their software development do allow the possibility of getting newer features faster as any manufacturer can develop their own features into the OS but it comes at a price. That price includes Android device manufacturers struggling to differentiate themselves from the crowd and in some cases end up fragmenting the OS. It also includes an increased likelihood of malware. These things need to be acknowledged. Too often it resorts to one company's efforts being the right way and the other being the wrong way. Apple's and Google's choices both have advantages and disadvantages and they both make innovative developments but by far, Apple took the biggest steps forward and that shouldn't be dismissed.
The choices that Apple makes generally also seem to come out on top such as the software keyboard and curated app store that were originally criticised.
Marvin, did you look at the video I linked from November of 2007 which predates the Blackberry-like image you offered? I'm guessing not. There's plainly a touchscreen Android phone demoed in it.
As for who's innovating and whose imitating, both Apple and Google are very obviously influenced by each other, yet both are developing their own unique features.
And the iPhone was shown in jan 2007.
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And the iPhone was shown in jan 2007.
I believe you're correct, or at least plenty close enough.
I watched the video and saw the touchscreen Android phone without a software keyboard or pinch zoom but the Blackberry one is based on their original designs from 2006:
http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/25/2974676/this-was-the-original-google-phone-presented-in-2006
Their first touchscreen phone with hardware keyboard was the T-Mobile G1 launched in October 2008:
http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/7/2585779/android-history
The point is just that they clearly had to redesign the whole thing when the iPhone arrived - it wasn't built properly for touch input - and if it hadn't been for Apple, Android phones today would probably still look like Blackberry phones (as would Blackberry phones).
The ratio of innovation to imitation isn't the same with both though. There's a strong effort to try and put the two on level ground now that Apple has a notification panel and that's not a fair thing to do.
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Originally Posted by Marvin
The ratio of innovation to imitation isn't the same with both though. There's a strong effort to try and put the two on level ground now that Apple has a notification panel and that's not a fair thing to do.
That's a valid point. Android has "lagged"
iOS apps are leaking more personal info than android apps...
http://www.androidnova.org/ios-apps-leak-more-personal-info-than-android-apps/
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iOS apps are leaking more personal info than android apps...
http://www.androidnova.org/ios-apps-leak-more-personal-info-than-android-apps/
Yeah we've already seen that one. AI posted it's own article here about it a few days back.
Originally Posted by Cletus
I don't Twitter. Is twittering once per ten days rare?
Compared to the frequency of public postings (across all mediums) of the other Apple executives, it's ludicrously frequent.
Compared to the average "twitterer", it's within the margin of error of never having made a single post.
So take that as you will.
Moved discussion here:
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The article was on AI a few days ago, and you commented on it.
Jeeze you have poor memory, or is it a selected one ?
If someone tells me, you have a 78% chance of being hit by the train if you cross at the level crossing that is not controlled by warning lights and a barrier, versus 0.17% if you cross where it is encouraged to (due to warning/barrier etc.), I guess you would not only cross where its dangerous but poke your tongue to mock those who do the correct thing.
The article didn't claim Android devices had a 78% chance of being infected with malware so you've not offered a valid analogy. When you can come back with a source showing the actual rate of infection then we have something to discuss. X% of some undefined number doesn't tell you a thing about how prevalent malware is.
For those without the patience to wait for numbers from HFTS, here's some to put things in perspective. According to estimates based on a report from Lookout Security the percentage of US Android devices that will encounter some form of malware in 2013: Less than 1/2 of 1%.. In Japan even less than that. Russia on the other hand comes in at 35%. Note that even includes relatively benign Adware.
http://thenextweb.com/google/2012/12/13/lookout-predicts-18-4m-android-users-will-be-infected-with-malware-during-2012-and-2013-or-some-1/