Apple's Schiller: Samsung Galaxy S IV may 'ship with an OS that is nearly a year old'

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  • Reply 41 of 113
    larryalarrya Posts: 608member
    frood wrote: »
    This does make Apple look a little desperate.  With the first new major phone in two years (iPhone 5) *and* giving away iPhone 4's for free they were able to gain 3.5% US market share.  So what do they have to counter the S IV for the next two years?  They'll likely get a minor bump from the 5s, but that will only offset the inevitable lull they get as people stop buying the iPhone 5 waiting for the 5s release.

    Apple needs to come up with some new feature of their own, rather than trying to badmouth their competition- because like it or not Android phones are tremendous- especially if you value function over aesthetics.  

    Apple needs new material other than the fragmentation argument.  I think that is more of a statement designed to make Apple users think they need to stay with Apple.  People with 3 year old phones running Honeycomb are obviously pretty happy with them as they don't see a need to go out and upgrade.

    If I ask Apple if my comparable 3 year old iPhone 3s suffers from fragmentation their answer will be 'no' since it will show up as being capable of running iOS6...


    User:  Can I run iOS6 on my iPhone 3s and be checked off as running the latest OS?
    Apple:  Absolutely!  *


    * You just cant run 3d flyover, turn by turn navigation, use the new maps app, panorama mode, offline reading list, location based reminders, personal wifi hotspots, facetime, airplay mirroring, nor can you use Siri- or really any new features actually added in the last few releases of software.  Your phone will run horrendously slow, and the battery life (if it still works and you haven't shelled out a few hundred backs for Apple to replace it) will be attrocious.  You will be running iOS6 though!  Enjoy!

    The problem of fragmentation is a nuisance to developers, users- not so much.  If you don't like the fragmentation on your 3 year old iPhone or your 3 year old Android phone the answer is the same for either platform- buy a new one.  If you're happy with your 3 year old phone- then obviously its not an issue to you.

    Nice attempt at misdirection. The S4 will be a brand new phone without the latest updates (supposedly).
  • Reply 42 of 113
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member


    Originally Posted by Eric Hamel View Post

    As much as I'm a fan of Apple products


     


    Stopped reading right here.





    Originally Posted by Neo42 View Post

    How about ALL of the execs just STFU and do their jobs?  


     


    Then they get whined at for "not telling me anything". Be happy with whatever you get.

  • Reply 43 of 113
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post


    I find the things Schiller has decided to speak out on a bit strange.  



     


    Yeah, Steve would have just said 'they're building it wrong.' instead of getting into specifics.

  • Reply 44 of 113
    macrulezmacrulez Posts: 2,455member


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  • Reply 45 of 113
    pfisherpfisher Posts: 758member


    That's cool of Schiller. So Android is ahead then, because iOS feels two years old (or more).


     


    Which is more stale: iOS or Android?


     


    Schiller is starting to sound like Steve Ballmer. Don't focus on great products. Just diss the competition.


     


    Of course, Steve Jobs dissed the competition, but he was good at it. He seemed to be able to get away with it.

  • Reply 46 of 113
    jfc1138jfc1138 Posts: 3,090member
    The carriers are a pain on that topic: one of the reasons I dumped Verizon: their drag on available improvements to the phones they offered got to be too much. I undertsand the challenge of the complexity of multiple variations of the same OS, but that doesn't mean I have to live with it. So I don't.

    I once saw a Charlie Rose interview with the then head of Motorola where he complained energetically about how "crippled" Verizon forced their RazR to be.

    A three years old phone was purchased on the three years old OS that was fitted to it so I see that as somewhat different than a NEW phone running an old OS when a newer OS has long replaced it. I certainly didn't see a reason to replace OS 6 with OS 2 on my iPhone 5 nor OS 9 on my brand new MacBook Pro! (Okay I did downgrade an Intel machine to Windows 7....) Hardware advances, that can push OS advances as well, but new hardware with old software? That's an unfortunate mismatch, losing fearures added to the more modern OS even though having basic compatibility.

    Oh and with Apple selling DOUBLE the worldwide number of iPhone 5's as Samsung sold SIII's while the year old (!) 4s outsold the SIII as well while Samsung saw the SIII numbers decline.... "Desparate" isn't how I'd term Apple. Public advocation of your product is an expected thing. Samsung and just about every other vendor sure isn't shy about doing that. Where did all those billions and billions of Samsung advertizing go? A fair bit into bashing Apple: well, time and past time to push back.
  • Reply 47 of 113
    gwmacgwmac Posts: 1,807member


    I wonder how solid that intel is about it shipping with 4.1 instead of 4.2. If Schiller is wrong that would be pretty embarrassing. 


     


    Schiller is not really a good spokesperson for Apple. There is something just very uninspiring, bland, goofy, and he just doesn't come across as really bright even though I am sure he is. I think Apple needs to hire a new person for their events that is a really good speaker, has charisma, the looks, the ability to mesmerize the audience. It should not be a Steve Jobs clone by any means, but someone talented at public speaking capable of really giving a great presentation and Tim and Phil and no other Apple exec seems up to the job. 


     


    Like others I think it looks better for Apple to ignore the competition, or if you attack pick some better criticisms. Your average consumer doesn't care about fragmentation or a year old OS as long as it works for them. But Apple better get on the ball with advertising. The new iPad commercials with words flashing quickly then with an annoying group speak of a word and that God awful music sucks. Worst part is they extended it to the iPhone as well. Either hire a new ad agency or tell the current one to get their head out of their asses and make some better adverts. Even Target, Sam Adams, Sprite, Google Chrome seem to be able make better commercials than Apple. They need to choose some better music. History Channel for example chose that song by radioactive called welcome to the new age that caught my attention so much that I looked it up and bought the song. I doubt anyone will be looking up the song for current Apple commercials. 


     


    Here is that song:


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  • Reply 48 of 113
    jfc1138jfc1138 Posts: 3,090member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bleh1234 View Post


    Same rehashed dated comment on multiple threads.



    And just as accurate for all that.


     


    The worldwide numbers are exactly that: Both the iPhone 5 and the 4s were larger than the SIII, whose numbers declined in that recent quarter.

  • Reply 49 of 113
    poochpooch Posts: 768member
    eric hamel wrote: »
    As much as I'm a fan of Apple products, I have to admit that the last versions of iOS feel outdated.

    care to elaborate, first time poster?
  • Reply 50 of 113
    jfc1138jfc1138 Posts: 3,090member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mars123 View Post


    Its not that apple doesn't play the volume game, Apple lost the volume game to samsung. Now all they have left is the profit margin. How is having a high profit margin good for the consumers? Doesn't it mean they are overcharging the customers for something that isn't worth as much? Why should consumers be happy that Apple makes the most profit off them if they buy an apple product? 



    Apple has never played the "volume game" they play the profit game and continue to win that one handily.


     


    Oh and on "volume"? Flagship smartphones world wide Apple outsold Samsung by a wide margin. SIII versus iPhone5? The iPhone had double the SIII's numbers. The iPhone 4 outsold the SIII as well.Yes Samsung totally beat Apple in washwer/dryer combinations sold: same with low end simpler phones that don't carry a good profit margin but bulk up unit sales numbers.


     


    Is Samsung's business mission to simply hand out the most phones and NOT make any money? Amazon can actually do that becuase their Kindle is a loss leader to provide a nice focused gateway to their store where they expect to make back the investemnt in the Kindle distribution. Samsung doesn't do that. Does any phone hardware vendor also have a carrier network (the "store equivalent to Amazon..)? I'm not aware of any.

  • Reply 51 of 113
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    I think it's doubtful that the Galaxy S IV will ship with an OS that shipped Spring 2012 considering this is Samsung's flagship device and they sell a lot of them to warrant the effort of update the OS frequently.

    Android 4.2.2 dropped on 11-FEB-2013. That is the OS I expect to see if the device is shipping more than 6 weeks from now.
  • Reply 52 of 113
    jfc1138jfc1138 Posts: 3,090member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by gwmac View Post


    I wonder how solid that intel is about it shipping with 4.1 instead of 4.2. If Schiller is wrong that would be pretty embarrassing. 


     


    Schiller is not really a good spokesperson for Apple. There is something just very uninspiring, bland, goofy, and he just doesn't come across as really bright even though I am sure he is. I think Apple needs to hire a new person for their events that is a really good speaker, has charisma, the looks, the ability to mesmerize the audience. It should not be a Steve Jobs clone by any means, but someone talented at public speaking capable of really giving a great presentation and Tim and Phil and no other Apple exec seems up to the job. 


     


    Like others I think it looks better for Apple to ignore the competition, or if you attack pick some better criticisms. Your average consumer doesn't care about fragmentation or a year old OS as long as it works for them. But Apple better get on the ball with advertising. The new iPad commercials with words flashing quickly then with an annoying group speak of a word and that God awful music sucks. Worst part is they extended it to the iPhone as well. Either hire a new ad agency or tell the current one to get their head out of their asses and make some better adverts. Even Target, Sam Adams, Sprite, Google Chrome seem to be able make better commercials than Apple. They need to choose some better music. History Channel for example chose that song by radioactive called welcome to the new age that caught my attention so much that I looked it up and bought the song. I doubt anyone will be looking up the song for current Apple commercials. 


     


    Here is that song:


    image


     



    I disagree "ignoring" the competition leaves THEM all the public awareness space to control the entire competitive dialog. Countering the competition is why it's called "competiton". IMHO 


     


    The specific criticissms that got quoted were the editors choices from all accounts, when writers and editors want click-bait it's going to be hard to control. 

  • Reply 53 of 113
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    gwmac wrote: »
    If Schiller is wrong that would be pretty embarrassing.

    How can he be wrong? Where did he claim that it would ship with year old OS?
  • Reply 54 of 113
    Phil hurt Apple mightily with these comments. He drew terrible press on the morning TV shows by saying negative things about Samsung. As one TV commentator put it, "talk is cheap." I hope that Schiller and Apple learn their lesson from this one. If Phil doesn't have something constructive to say then he should keep his mouth shut. No one is interested in his attacks on Google, android, or Samsung. If Apple has better products then it should release them. Since Apple has not had any totally new products since the Ipad, how many years ago, Phil should be at Cupertino working, not wasting time talking to the press. The way to compete with Samsung is to COMPETE. For Apple/Phil to trash Android with talk is ridiculous. Apple should be embarrassed about what Phil said and he should be rebuked by the CEO.

    Ok, so Sansung has some different sizes but other than a few layer cakes on top if Android how can people say that a year old version if a OS is both "innovative and fresh"?

    Samsung didn't make Google Voice but they did bring the stylus back.

    What Samsung has done better than others is realize and market Androids potential but at some point Android will run up against the same wall Apple has hit, over familiarity with the OS and its feature limits.

    Android will seem stale in the near future as well.
  • Reply 55 of 113
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jfc1138 View Post




    Quote:

    Originally Posted by gwmac View Post


     I think Apple needs to hire a new person for their events that is a really good speaker, has charisma, the looks, the ability to mesmerize the audience. It should not be a Steve Jobs clone by any means, but someone talented at public speaking capable of really giving a great presentation and Tim and Phil and no other Apple exec seems up to the job. 





    If they did hire a presenter it would have to be somebody that was already pretty well known - sort of like hosting the Emmys. That way they could get around the tradition of someone high up in the management team giving the presentation. If they just hired some good looking but unknown sales/marketing guy it would be an admission of failure of the executive team.

  • Reply 56 of 113
    gwmacgwmac Posts: 1,807member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Pooch View Post





    care to elaborate, first time poster?


    In regards to whether iOS feels dated I also agree. Let me say that I still prefer iOS to Android but not by as wide a margin as I used to.


     


    Anyway, here is a wish list for iOS 7. Not my list but I agree with nearly all of them. My top choices would be a far better notification center with the ability to delete some notifications while leaving others from an app instead of the all or nothing approach now. I also really want some overlay or finder like app or setting to be able to sort apps and other files like we can do in OS X. It is getting harder and harder to find what I am looking for at times swiping through all these screens and folders. Surely Apple can think of a better way to quickly access what we are searching for when we don't know the name but might know other info like the size, app type, when it was downloaded for example. 


     


    1. Easier access to Brightness, Wi-Fi, and BlueTooth [See Number 23]


    2. Ability to view time from Notification Center "Tab" instead of having to pull down the whole shade (See Picture)


    3. Live Icons for Weather and Clock


    4. More functional Lock Screen, such as toggles for turning on the LED flash, and Settings.


    5. Add more functionality to the Spotlight Search screen (See video)


    6.Better Multitasking View (Viewing All Screens at once, similar to Mission Control)


    7. Ability to reply to text messages, without having to leave the currently opened application


    8. A "Kill All" button for the multitasking bar


    9. Ability to set seconds in the Timer in the Clock Application


    10. Ability to download and save files from Safari (unified place where all downloads are stored)


    11. Ability to add photos to Photo Stream (After the photos have been taken)


    12. Ability to add folders within folders


    13. When home button is double pressed on lock screen, have the camera shortcut automatically switch to an LED flash switch, which can enable/disable the LED flash at the back of iPhones


    14. A native iOS dictionary application (or the ability to type the word into spotlight for definitions)


    15. A native iOS application to view cellular data usage and data plan information (or a sheet of information when the carrier name at the top is tapped)


    16. Ability to stream Movies and TV Shows via iCloud


    17. Ability to add photos to notes in the Notes Application.


    18. Ability to set text color and use text formatting in the Notes Application


    19. Ask Siri to check where your iDevices are located (Integration with Find My iPhone)


    20. A Weather app for iPad


    21. EQ access from the Music application


    22. Easier method to dismiss notification banners


    23. Settings widget for Notification Center


    24. Apps update automatically in the background. (Every time the device is plugged in, locked, and connected to Wi-Fi)


    25. Animated Wallpapers for Lock Screen and Home Screen


    26. Low Battery Alert appears as a banner instead of a pop-up


    27. Ability to change when the Low Battery Alert appears (maybe at 50%, or 5%)


    28. Ability to disable Auto-Lock from Multitask Bar or Notification Center


    29. Ability to find words in a particular note in the Notes Application


    30. Panorama function in the Camera Application (Update: This feature was introduced alongside the new iPhone 5. This feature will be available for iPhone 5 and 4S)


    31. Group video chatting in FaceTime (More than 2 people)


    32. An RSS Widget for Notification Center.


    33. Password-Protect certain notes in the Notes Application


    34. Ask Siri for language translations


    35. When Wi-Fi or cellular data connection is not available, have Siri automatically turn off and switch to voice control


    36. Ask Siri to record Voice Memos


    37. When notifications are deleted from Notification Center, automatically remove the badges associated with the notification


    38. When using Spotlight Search, have at least two results from the web appear. One being Wikipedia (if available) and the other being the top result on Google. If Wikipedia isn't available, then just the two top results from Google,


    39. Cover Flow for iPad


    40. Ability to ask Siri for the latest headlines


    41. Ability to split iPad's screen to truly multitask


    42. Ability to do launch other apps while watching videos on the Videos app on iPad. (Relates back to #41)


    43. Ability to type words into Spotlight for definitions (dictionary functionality in Spotlight)


    44. Ability to optimize and filter iTunes Wi-Fi sync.


    45. Ability to record the screen and view recorded content in Photos app. (Maybe a built in toggle in the Camera app?)


    46. Ability to delete individual items from Notification Center, rather then having to delete all of them


    47. Ability to group together notifications in Notification Center


    48. Ability to add more than 12 (iPhone) or 20 (iPad) apps to a folder (Scroll enabled folders) 


    49. Advanced camera settings for camera app (effects, timers, and exposure settings) 


    50. Have phone automatically switch to silent based on location/calendar settings


    51. Bus routes and walking routes in Maps application


    52. Ability to copy text within a text message, rather then having to copy the whole message 


    53. Find My iPhone can't find devices that are turned off, so have a passcode required to turn off the device, so thieves can't turn it off


    54. Have 3 reminders for missed calls, similar to text messages


    55. Location-based settings for enabling and disabling Do Not Disturb


    56. Display detailed battery info when battery icon on status bar is tapped 


    57. Redesigned lock screen playback controls (to reflect the new music app)(Update: This was added in iOS 6.1).


    58. Ability to add a new homepage in between existing pages 


    59. Movies, TV Shows, and Music Videos have their own sections in Videos app 


    60. Ability to switch between card and list view when viewing search results for apps


    61. Ability to move/delete multiple apps at one time


    62. Have a geo-fence for turning on and off Wi-Fi and 3G


    63. Have the devices detect when you're at home, or connected to your home Wi-Fi, and automatically turn off the passcode


    64. Ability to tag people in a post when posting to Facebook via Notification Center


    65. If Facebook and Twitter accounts aren't integrated and logged into, don't display the option to share them on the share sheet at all


    66. Better notification center for iPad; one that takes half the screen, has more widgets, and is much more functional


    67. Ability to forward Voicemail messages


    68. Expand Guided Access to lock user within a certain folder of apps


    69. Have Calander/Reminders alert you 2 more times after initial alert 


    70. Better use of extra screen estate in iPad lock screen


    71. Ability to view saved Autofill enteries individually in Settings and delete them


    72. Ability to view saved Wi-Fi Connections individually in Settings and delete them


    73. WPS support for connecting to Wi-Fi


    74. Ability to hide Stock applications


    75. Give apps the ability to access ringtones to add custom ones (with user permission)


    76. Siri integration with Wikipedia


    77. Ability to download music files online, and save them to Music.app


    78. Give apps the ability to access Music.app and add custom music (with user permission)


    79. Ability to cancel outgoing text/iMessage before it's sent


    80. Option to have alarm delete itself after one use


    81. Option to not save pictures taken in the Messages app


    82. Ability to send location right from the Messages app


    83. Replace current dock with the new Mountain Lion Dock


    84. Ability to set multiple timers at one time


    85. Ability to permanently turn off alarm (until next specified time) using power button (can't tell you how many times I've accidentally put it on snooze, thinking I have turned it off properly, only to have it ring in class!)


    86. Swype Keyboard integration (Come on Apple, I love Swype! I LOVE IT! Please bring it to the iPhone. Partner with them. Buy them. Do whatever it takes to bring it to iOS!)


    87. Apple made themes to customize OS wide objects (such as Notification Center, Notification Banners, e.t.c)


    88. Ability to slide finger across keypad during Passcode lock (similar to Swype Keyboard)


    89. Multiple user accounts for the iPad (Although the iPad is meant to be a personal device, there are people who share them. User accounts for the iPad would be an ideal feature for these people.)


    90. Siri API for developers, and the ability to control which apps have access to Siri through Settings.


    91. Timed and custom notifications. Basically, the ability to have a notification of your choice notify you at the time of your choice. (e.g: have a weather notification, which shows the temperature for the day, come at 8:00 before you go to work)


    92. Merge iMessage conversations so that people's different accounts are all in one thread


    93. Customization Music equalizer that can be accessed in the Music app


    94. Ability to send a complaint to the App developer


    95. Vibrate icon on Status Bar when it is activated (similar to portrait lock)


    96. Offline maps (built in to the Maps app)


     97. Full fledged Safari file download and managing system


    98. Wishlist for the iTunes and App stores


    99. Ability to leave a group messaging conversation


    100. Ability to choose which apps run while using roaming data


    101. Option to put Time Stamps on every message.


     


     

  • Reply 57 of 113
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by gwmac View Post


     


    Anyway, here is a wish list for iOS 7. Not my list but I agree with nearly all of them. 


     


    [...]


     



     


    I like a lot of those ideas.

  • Reply 58 of 113
    igrivigriv Posts: 1,177member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post


     


    True, but what the article fails to make clear is that he made these comments to Reuters, because the WSJ article basically ripped him to shreds.  He gave an interview in good faith with a leading publication and every comment in it he makes is clear, positive and more on the attack than anything else.  Then they publish an article about how Apple is going down and Phil Schiller is "defensive."  WTF?!  image


     


    I agree he should have stayed silent, but my take on it is that he was pissed at being taken for a ride by the WSJ and tried to retaliate a bit.  



     


    He is the head of marketing for the biggest consumer goods company in the world. "Being pissed" is not a good reason to do anything -- it is his job to think before he acts/speaks, and I assume he has (thought).

  • Reply 59 of 113
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member


    What's up with the formatting?


     



    Originally Posted by gwmac View Post

    3. Live Icons for Weather and Clock

     



     


    But the screen is "too small to see those things".






    6.Better Multitasking View (Viewing All Screens at once, similar to Mission Control)



     


    Waste of resources for zero gain. A user honestly couldn't distinguish things that small, and it would vastly increase the amount of time spent on finding what you want.






    8. A "Kill All" button for the multitasking bar



     


    Unless you're listening to multiple music streams at once, why is this needed?






    11. Ability to add photos to Photo Stream (After the photos have been taken)



     


    Do you mean if Photo Stream was off when the photo was taken? Why would that have been the case?





    12. Ability to add folders within folders




     


    Unnecessary. Just allow folders to SCROLL INTERNALLY, solving the need for multiple folders for one genre of whatever. 


     




    15. A native iOS application to view cellular data usage and data plan information (or a sheet of information when the carrier name at the top is tapped)



     


    Settings.


     





    24. Apps update automatically in the background. (Every time the device is plugged in, locked, and connected to Wi-Fi)




     


    Just the option, right?








    25. Animated Wallpapers for Lock Screen and Home Screen





     


    Frippery. image


     





    29. Ability to find words in a particular note in the Notes Application




     


    Been able to do that since searching was added…






    41. Ability to split iPad's screen to truly multitask



     


    The point being what?!


     





    56. Display detailed battery info when battery icon on status bar is tapped 




     


    Like what?


     






    59. Movies, TV Shows, and Music Videos have their own sections in Videos app




     


    They… do… Always have.






    70. Better use of extra screen estate in iPad lock screen



     


    For what?






    77. Ability to download music files online, and save them to Music.app



     


    Never going to happen.


     





    87. Apple made themes to customize OS wide objects (such as Notification Center, Notification Banners, e.t.c).




     


    Already has that.





    101. Option to put Time Stamps on every message


     


    They're already there; just not visible directly from iOS.


     


    You repeated a few, but I like these:






    10. Ability to download and save files from Safari (unified place where all downloads are stored)


    14. A native iOS dictionary application (or the ability to type the word into spotlight for definitions)


    17. Ability to add photos to notes in the Notes Application.


    18. Ability to set text color and use text formatting in the Notes Application


    19. Ask Siri to check where your iDevices are located (Integration with Find My iPhone)


    20. A Weather app for iPad


    21. EQ access from the Music application


    26. Low Battery Alert appears as a banner instead of a pop-up


    31. Group video chatting in FaceTime (More than 2 people)


    34. Ask Siri for language translations


    35. When Wi-Fi or cellular data connection is not available, have Siri automatically turn off and switch to voice control


    36. Ask Siri to record Voice Memos


    40. Ability to ask Siri for the latest headlines


    49. Advanced camera settings for camera app (effects, timers, and exposure settings) 


    53. Find My iPhone can't find devices that are turned off, so have a passcode required to turn off the device, so thieves can't turn it off


    63. Have the devices detect when you're at home, or connected to your home Wi-Fi, and automatically turn off the passcode


    65. If Facebook and Twitter accounts aren't integrated and logged into, don't display the option to share them on the share sheet at all


    76. Siri integration with Wikipedia


    90. Siri API for developers, and the ability to control which apps have access to Siri through Settings.



     


    14's done already, though, isn't it? Just highlight a word.

  • Reply 60 of 113
    genovellegenovelle Posts: 1,481member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Loptimist View Post


    Well, Apple hasn't updated Mountain Lion for about 6months.


     


    Apple.  Don't do this.  So disappointing. 



    Apple Does yearly updates and they immediately are available on several generations of products.  They have never released a new phone on a old os.  Each New iPhone has shipped with a new OS providing 100s of new features and upgrades. Shortly there after the update is made available for at least the previous two generations.  My 2001 generation Quick Silver is running Leopard which came out 10 years after I bought it. You should be disappointed if Apple was putting Lion on new computers they are selling as new. 

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