"<span style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;line-height:22px;">But while many of the functions are useful or innovative, a few of them didn't seem ready for prime time in a preview with journalists."</span>
[SIZE=12px]<span style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;line-height:22px;">It's just about gimmicks and stupid people.</span>
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Only when this phone is actually benchmarked against other top Androids, can a statement about being beaten on all metrics be held true.
For example, it is realistic to expect that Samsung's AMOLED screen will have better contrast and punchier colours than Xpertia's Z screen, as observed in Xpertia's review at GSMarena.com. It also has replaceable battery compared to both HTC and Sony, which lot of people seem to like. I'm sure there will be more advantages, some real, some perceived.
Personally, I'm finding S4 a bit boring and uninspired; safe. Too much lookalike S3, which I also didn't find best looking Android in it's generation. But that's me. I'm not delusional enough to think that my personal opinion will transfer to minds of every Android user, or even majority of them. Given Samsung's previous success, it would be huge surprise for me if this phone doesn't sell a lot. A lot.
That's precisely my point. As the number of Android phones with large screens is now already higher than the number of iPhones being sold, we'll see Android gains in internet usage.
U have proof? iPhone sold 48 MM is the last qtr. the 5 and 4 both outsold the SG3 and Note 2.
Everyone said the S3 was "underwhelming" after the presentation, and all tech blogs are saying the same about this phone, which admittedly looks identical with some added gimmicks. However, it doesn't matter. It will sell like hotcakes, as Samsung has positioned itself as the only Android OEM that anyone pays attention to.
As previously explained your numbering is leading you to false conclusions about the age of the OS.
Also remember the distribution methods involved. Apple releases their version x.0 along with new iPhone but that OS is in a developer beta for 2 to 3 months before being released. Android doesn't have that. That means that x.0 is really the developer beta with x.0.1 and x.0.2 updates coming just a couple weeks to a couple months after it's released.
4.2.2 is an incremental update but it's still the latest OS version for Android, and not unlike how iPads have shipped with Apple continuing to use the iPhone as the demarcation point. Would you not buy a new Mac because Mac OS X Mountain Lion was introduced on 16-FEB-2012? That seems silly to be but your comments seem to be pointing to Samsung holding off until Android 5.0 is released to the world which is really the same as when Apple drops an OS beta on developers for the first time.
The Age of the OS is link to the Kernel they are using. They do major updates when they change kernels. Apple does minor updates throughout the year even adding features but the last major update was in October 2012 adding hundreds of new features. The point is the Apple's assessment of the Age of the Android is correct. Their API is just an internal note. The number of features and Kernel level changes defines how new the OS is. 4.1 was release July 13, 2012 Thats 9 months after 4.0 not weeks later. 4.2 was released November 13, 2012 and was so limited they didn't even have a conference for it just a press release calling it another flavor of Jelly Been. And for the record Mountain Lion was previewed then, it was release July 25, 2012 and introduced the new iMac a couple of months later. Not a year and a half after the last major update. Even the iPad is different because it's OS is compatible but different. iPad's move to Fall may have been to synchronize the OS timing. If Apple tried to pass off these weak point updates as a New OS it they would be crucified. Google does it and its ok.
Keep doing exactly what they have been doing and not let analysts etc design for them.
Apple doesn't view this as a zero sum game, they don't do things to beat anyone because its not the war the blogs end claim. Apple has their audience, Samsung theirs and everyone has something they like.
Since Linux is up to 3.8 they should be doing a full update soon. As far as keeping it up to date for 2 to 3 years they may have already moved to the OS they are working on by then.
Man, think of all those Intel chipsets the phone makers are losing out on compatibility with.
Oh...wait...it's a phone.
What specific features in Linux kernel 3.8 do you feel are essential for a good phone experience?
If you add new APIs you add new things that developers can do that they couldn't do before without creating their own solutions. I'm not saying that 4.2 over 4.0 is the same jump as 4.0 fom 3.0 but it's a different OS and to say that 4.2.2 somehow means Schiller was right, especially when there is no 5.0 from Google is being disingenuous.
I don't even know where to begin with the argument that a kernel update is required for it to be an OS update.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
As previously explained your numbering is leading you to false conclusions about the age of the OS.
Also remember the distribution methods involved. Apple releases their version x.0 along with new iPhone but that OS is in a developer beta for 2 to 3 months before being released. Android doesn't have that. That means that x.0 is really the developer beta with x.0.1 and x.0.2 updates coming just a couple weeks to a couple months after it's released.
4.2.2 is an incremental update but it's still the latest OS version for Android, and not unlike how iPads have shipped with Apple continuing to use the iPhone as the demarcation point. Would you not buy a new Mac because Mac OS X Mountain Lion was introduced on 16-FEB-2012? That seems silly to be but your comments seem to be pointing to Samsung holding off until Android 5.0 is released to the world which is really the same as when Apple drops an OS beta on developers for the first time.
The Age of the OS is link to the Kernel they are using. They do major updates when they change kernels. Apple does minor updates throughout the year even adding features but the last major update was in October 2012 adding hundreds of new features. The point is the Apple's assessment of the Age of the Android is correct. Their API is just an internal note. The number of features and Kernel level changes defines how new the OS is. 4.1 was release July 13, 2012 Thats 9 months after 4.0 not weeks later. 4.2 was released November 13, 2012 and was so limited they didn't even have a conference for it just a press release calling it another flavor of Jelly Been. And for the record Mountain Lion was previewed then, it was release July 25, 2012 and introduced the new iMac a couple of months later. Not a year and a half after the last major update. Even the iPad is different because it's OS is compatible but different. iPad's move to Fall may have been to synchronize the OS timing. If Apple tried to pass off these weak point updates as a New OS it they would be crucified. Google does it and its ok.
If you look the list of new features, App added more with the latest point update. They are not the same thing. No matter how much you try to make a minor update a new OS its not. They even refer to it just another flavor.
I watched part of the launch live and it was all I could do to keep from throwing up - it has to be the most obnoxious, cheesiest and ridiculous presentations I've ever seen. Embarrassingly so.
The Age of the OS is link to the Kernel they are using.
If you want to take that stance you'll have to defend iOS 1.0 using Darwin 9.0 and not hitting 10.0 until iOS 4.0 with each major iOS version after that getting a primary point increase in Darwin and even skipping 12.0 from iOS 5.0 with Darwin 11.0 to iOS 6.0 with Darwin 13.0.
These are just numbers. The only thing you can be sure of is that there was a change in the code between versions but you can not, in any way assert that Android 4.0 with API Level 14 is the sam as Android 4.2.2 with API Level 17 simply because you don't like Android.
Aren't there enough reasons to take a jab at Android and Samsung without forcing this silly argument that Schiller was actually correct in saying he heard rumours that the Galaxy S IV is using an OS that first shipped a year ago? I think so, and I don't think you are doing any fans of Apple or iOS any favours by holding onto your argument.
They are just stupid then. One has nothing to do with the other. I guess you say there are no cyber criminals trying to access your banking info. Having a phone that is worse secure than Windows ever was is not good, because most people actually do online banking now when it was rare during the XP days. I try to avoid Google at all cost because I even noticed that if you search for something obscure through them, you will start getting emails about that subject. I don't use Gmail so I find that unsettling that they are tracking me close enough to know my email address to share with their advertisers.
Then your doing something wrong, I have had zero spam mail since I opened up a Google Gmail account 12 years ago. As far as Google tracking your Internet habits, well the Internet is and will never be a private place. I'm more worried about the US and it's allies using programs like Echelon to track us more then Google. I personally have nothing to hide as the sites I surf are very PG. So if your bothered maybe you should rethink your porn tastes. Most banks, at least in Europe now have dedicated apps to log on and retrieve ones account info, add that key-chain device that generates a random 8-digit access code and it's pretty secure.
I recently soled my Samsung Note to purchase a Nexus 4, if your going to use Android there is no better way to experience the OS then by using a Google phone and the updates are very frequent. I'm actually really looking forward to Ubuntu's new mobile OS though, it's the first time in a long while since I've been actually excited about a new OS. The ability to plug your phone into a dock connected to a monitor or hotel flatscreen and be able to use a full desktop OS has always been a dream of mine.
I've had a couple of iPhones and for the most part they were decent phones, never liked how fragile or small the screen was but all in all okay phones. However in the last two years I have become addicted to some of the features Android has and have no desire to use an iPhone again. The filemanager FX for instance allows me to always have access to my data from both my work and home server, not to mention all of my cloud storage accessible from one place. Android also has the ability to make the phone itself a wifi drive accessible from any computer. Some of you might argue that sand-boxing is great for security but I find it to be a huge hindrance, I really, really enjoy how Androids apps talk to each other. That and I prefer seeing all of my files in one area, makes it easier to find data instead of opening the app that made it or using a MP3 app.
Somebody above mentioned that Android 4.2.2 was just a minor incremental update, though I could argue otherwise I'm jut going to say that the new multi-user feature is fantastic. My husband and I bought our two kids each a Nexus 10 but we like to steal them on occasion, so the ability to separate our profiles is a really convenient feature.
Okay so at first glance I would have to say...nice, but nothing amazing. The "wave" feature seems particularly stupid and I can see competitors poking fun at that easily with people doing all kinds of stupid things to get the screen to change, but maybe I'm missing something.
The tilt feature seems nice particularly with a bigger screen device, but I could also see it being aggravating depending on how sensitive it is.
The smart pause feature seems like it could be annoying. Often times people glance away from a video while watching it because we can process so much information. If it stops every time you look away...well, I'm not sure that is necessarily a benefit and what if you are "watching" just for the commentary? Sure it can be turned off and on, but is that really a feature you will want to be messing around with? Probably set it to off and never use it again.
Camera and features seem fantastic and given how reliant people are on their phone for those types of activities that's a big plus. The "TV correspondent" thing will be a lot of fun if you are into making videos.
Also using it as a remote would be cool. I often misplace my remote, but never my phone.
I know there are other upgrades and it's not like Apple has introduced anything that exciting over the last couple of years, but all in all it just doesnt seem that exciting. I would say some of the upgrades while not particularly useful at least speak to attempts to make the product more interesting and unique.
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Only when this phone is actually benchmarked against other top Androids, can a statement about being beaten on all metrics be held true.
For example, it is realistic to expect that Samsung's AMOLED screen will have better contrast and punchier colours than Xpertia's Z screen, as observed in Xpertia's review at GSMarena.com. It also has replaceable battery compared to both HTC and Sony, which lot of people seem to like. I'm sure there will be more advantages, some real, some perceived.
Personally, I'm finding S4 a bit boring and uninspired; safe. Too much lookalike S3, which I also didn't find best looking Android in it's generation. But that's me. I'm not delusional enough to think that my personal opinion will transfer to minds of every Android user, or even majority of them. Given Samsung's previous success, it would be huge surprise for me if this phone doesn't sell a lot. A lot.
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No joke. The hit whoring 'Apple killer' etc is getting bad.Put it in the forums for those that care and leave front page etc to things that are actually about Apple.
U have proof? iPhone sold 48 MM is the last qtr. the 5 and 4 both outsold the SG3 and Note 2.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
As previously explained your numbering is leading you to false conclusions about the age of the OS.
Also remember the distribution methods involved. Apple releases their version x.0 along with new iPhone but that OS is in a developer beta for 2 to 3 months before being released. Android doesn't have that. That means that x.0 is really the developer beta with x.0.1 and x.0.2 updates coming just a couple weeks to a couple months after it's released.
4.2.2 is an incremental update but it's still the latest OS version for Android, and not unlike how iPads have shipped with Apple continuing to use the iPhone as the demarcation point. Would you not buy a new Mac because Mac OS X Mountain Lion was introduced on 16-FEB-2012? That seems silly to be but your comments seem to be pointing to Samsung holding off until Android 5.0 is released to the world which is really the same as when Apple drops an OS beta on developers for the first time.
The Age of the OS is link to the Kernel they are using. They do major updates when they change kernels. Apple does minor updates throughout the year even adding features but the last major update was in October 2012 adding hundreds of new features. The point is the Apple's assessment of the Age of the Android is correct. Their API is just an internal note. The number of features and Kernel level changes defines how new the OS is. 4.1 was release July 13, 2012 Thats 9 months after 4.0 not weeks later. 4.2 was released November 13, 2012 and was so limited they didn't even have a conference for it just a press release calling it another flavor of Jelly Been. And for the record Mountain Lion was previewed then, it was release July 25, 2012 and introduced the new iMac a couple of months later. Not a year and a half after the last major update. Even the iPad is different because it's OS is compatible but different. iPad's move to Fall may have been to synchronize the OS timing. If Apple tried to pass off these weak point updates as a New OS it they would be crucified. Google does it and its ok.
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Originally Posted by Barley
Easy for Apple to beat this:
Keep doing exactly what they have been doing and not let analysts etc design for them.
Apple doesn't view this as a zero sum game, they don't do things to beat anyone because its not the war the blogs end claim. Apple has their audience, Samsung theirs and everyone has something they like.
It must be true, since you used all caps to make your point.
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Originally Posted by gwmac
. You may not like the innovations but you have to admit it offers some.
It offers some new gimmicks, time will tell if they are innovations or spec whoring
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Originally Posted by c_prof
Does it come with a man purse?
Man purse or fanny pack, your choice
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Originally Posted by genovelle
Since Linux is up to 3.8 they should be doing a full update soon. As far as keeping it up to date for 2 to 3 years they may have already moved to the OS they are working on by then.
Man, think of all those Intel chipsets the phone makers are losing out on compatibility with.
Oh...wait...it's a phone.
What specific features in Linux kernel 3.8 do you feel are essential for a good phone experience?
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Originally Posted by rsdofny
. Wonder how many of these features are copyrightable.
None. Patentable and/or patented perhaps. And by whom
Perhaps time to do that legal section. Or race ourselves for folks complaining about all the law suit artiles
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
If you add new APIs you add new things that developers can do that they couldn't do before without creating their own solutions. I'm not saying that 4.2 over 4.0 is the same jump as 4.0 fom 3.0 but it's a different OS and to say that 4.2.2 somehow means Schiller was right, especially when there is no 5.0 from Google is being disingenuous.
I don't even know where to begin with the argument that a kernel update is required for it to be an OS update.
Quote:
Originally Posted by SolipsismX
As previously explained your numbering is leading you to false conclusions about the age of the OS.
Also remember the distribution methods involved. Apple releases their version x.0 along with new iPhone but that OS is in a developer beta for 2 to 3 months before being released. Android doesn't have that. That means that x.0 is really the developer beta with x.0.1 and x.0.2 updates coming just a couple weeks to a couple months after it's released.
4.2.2 is an incremental update but it's still the latest OS version for Android, and not unlike how iPads have shipped with Apple continuing to use the iPhone as the demarcation point. Would you not buy a new Mac because Mac OS X Mountain Lion was introduced on 16-FEB-2012? That seems silly to be but your comments seem to be pointing to Samsung holding off until Android 5.0 is released to the world which is really the same as when Apple drops an OS beta on developers for the first time.
The Age of the OS is link to the Kernel they are using. They do major updates when they change kernels. Apple does minor updates throughout the year even adding features but the last major update was in October 2012 adding hundreds of new features. The point is the Apple's assessment of the Age of the Android is correct. Their API is just an internal note. The number of features and Kernel level changes defines how new the OS is. 4.1 was release July 13, 2012 Thats 9 months after 4.0 not weeks later. 4.2 was released November 13, 2012 and was so limited they didn't even have a conference for it just a press release calling it another flavor of Jelly Been. And for the record Mountain Lion was previewed then, it was release July 25, 2012 and introduced the new iMac a couple of months later. Not a year and a half after the last major update. Even the iPad is different because it's OS is compatible but different. iPad's move to Fall may have been to synchronize the OS timing. If Apple tried to pass off these weak point updates as a New OS it they would be crucified. Google does it and its ok.
If you look the list of new features, App added more with the latest point update. They are not the same thing. No matter how much you try to make a minor update a new OS its not. They even refer to it just another flavor.
I watched part of the launch live and it was all I could do to keep from throwing up - it has to be the most obnoxious, cheesiest and ridiculous presentations I've ever seen. Embarrassingly so.
If you want to take that stance you'll have to defend iOS 1.0 using Darwin 9.0 and not hitting 10.0 until iOS 4.0 with each major iOS version after that getting a primary point increase in Darwin and even skipping 12.0 from iOS 5.0 with Darwin 11.0 to iOS 6.0 with Darwin 13.0.
These are just numbers. The only thing you can be sure of is that there was a change in the code between versions but you can not, in any way assert that Android 4.0 with API Level 14 is the sam as Android 4.2.2 with API Level 17 simply because you don't like Android.
Aren't there enough reasons to take a jab at Android and Samsung without forcing this silly argument that Schiller was actually correct in saying he heard rumours that the Galaxy S IV is using an OS that first shipped a year ago? I think so, and I don't think you are doing any fans of Apple or iOS any favours by holding onto your argument.
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Originally Posted by genovelle
They are just stupid then. One has nothing to do with the other. I guess you say there are no cyber criminals trying to access your banking info. Having a phone that is worse secure than Windows ever was is not good, because most people actually do online banking now when it was rare during the XP days. I try to avoid Google at all cost because I even noticed that if you search for something obscure through them, you will start getting emails about that subject. I don't use Gmail so I find that unsettling that they are tracking me close enough to know my email address to share with their advertisers.
Then your doing something wrong, I have had zero spam mail since I opened up a Google Gmail account 12 years ago. As far as Google tracking your Internet habits, well the Internet is and will never be a private place. I'm more worried about the US and it's allies using programs like Echelon to track us more then Google. I personally have nothing to hide as the sites I surf are very PG. So if your bothered maybe you should rethink your porn tastes. Most banks, at least in Europe now have dedicated apps to log on and retrieve ones account info, add that key-chain device that generates a random 8-digit access code and it's pretty secure.
I recently soled my Samsung Note to purchase a Nexus 4, if your going to use Android there is no better way to experience the OS then by using a Google phone and the updates are very frequent. I'm actually really looking forward to Ubuntu's new mobile OS though, it's the first time in a long while since I've been actually excited about a new OS. The ability to plug your phone into a dock connected to a monitor or hotel flatscreen and be able to use a full desktop OS has always been a dream of mine.
I've had a couple of iPhones and for the most part they were decent phones, never liked how fragile or small the screen was but all in all okay phones. However in the last two years I have become addicted to some of the features Android has and have no desire to use an iPhone again. The filemanager FX for instance allows me to always have access to my data from both my work and home server, not to mention all of my cloud storage accessible from one place. Android also has the ability to make the phone itself a wifi drive accessible from any computer. Some of you might argue that sand-boxing is great for security but I find it to be a huge hindrance, I really, really enjoy how Androids apps talk to each other. That and I prefer seeing all of my files in one area, makes it easier to find data instead of opening the app that made it or using a MP3 app.
Somebody above mentioned that Android 4.2.2 was just a minor incremental update, though I could argue otherwise I'm jut going to say that the new multi-user feature is fantastic. My husband and I bought our two kids each a Nexus 10 but we like to steal them on occasion, so the ability to separate our profiles is a really convenient feature.
Okay so at first glance I would have to say...nice, but nothing amazing. The "wave" feature seems particularly stupid and I can see competitors poking fun at that easily with people doing all kinds of stupid things to get the screen to change, but maybe I'm missing something.
The tilt feature seems nice particularly with a bigger screen device, but I could also see it being aggravating depending on how sensitive it is.
The smart pause feature seems like it could be annoying. Often times people glance away from a video while watching it because we can process so much information. If it stops every time you look away...well, I'm not sure that is necessarily a benefit and what if you are "watching" just for the commentary? Sure it can be turned off and on, but is that really a feature you will want to be messing around with? Probably set it to off and never use it again.
Camera and features seem fantastic and given how reliant people are on their phone for those types of activities that's a big plus. The "TV correspondent" thing will be a lot of fun if you are into making videos.
Also using it as a remote would be cool. I often misplace my remote, but never my phone.
I know there are other upgrades and it's not like Apple has introduced anything that exciting over the last couple of years, but all in all it just doesnt seem that exciting. I would say some of the upgrades while not particularly useful at least speak to attempts to make the product more interesting and unique.
is S4 using lightening port?
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