It's outdated from a fashion standpoint - for those who think the iOS needs to change just so it looks fresh. It's not outdated from a functional standpoint, because it works quite well, although I can also buy the notion that the startup screen should not necessarily be a list of applications, but something that summarizes news/weather/stocks/activity, etc. Having said that, Apple used to lead in screen design, use of appropriate fonts and general elegance and even Microsoft and Google are now capable of designs that seem more elegant and/or advanced than Apple's. I think Apple has to retake that lead.
There's a screen I can pull down from the 1st app icon screen that frankly, I'm not sure whether it's part of iOS or came from another app - perhaps the NY Times app, but it has weather at the top, then a frame to make a Facebook post, then stocks, then Facebook listings and then New York Times articles and then it has some flight information. The only problem is that it doesn't seem to update often - the NY Times articles it's currently showing are 2 days old and the flights it's showing me are almost a month old -- seems to me once taken, the flights should disappear. But a properly executed version of this probably makes more sense as a startup screen.
The start-up screen is horrible. I have ten pages of apps, and the stone age folder system does not even allow one to combine like ones into one folder (because of folder size limitations) Every file system known to man has hierarchical structure, EXCEPT for iOS. Searching for an app is a hit or miss thing. For example, searching for "Gmail" brings up first many contacts with a gmail.com email address, and about forty lines down the actual app. I could go on, but it is making me too depressed.
"Removing skeuomorphism" removes everything down to and including buttons. Skeuomorphism is RIGHT, both in generic and expanded forms. The design is with what you take issue, not the concept.
YOU don't be a fool (or an infant). Why is the assholic "no it isn't" ok for you, but apparently not for others (and yes, that is what I was trying to underscore with my response). Or did I miss the memo on someone dying and making you God?
Every file system known to man has hierarchical structure, EXCEPT for iOS.
Stop pretending nonsense. Or if you're going to pretend it, don't post it.
Searching for an app is a hit or miss thing. For example, searching for "Gmail" brings up first many contacts with a gmail.com email address, and about forty lines down the actual app.
So change your search order.
I could go on, but it is making me too depressed.
Reading your lies makes me depressed.
Originally Posted by igriv
Why is the assholic "no it isn't" ok for you, but apparently not for others…
Because I don't feel like wasting my time posting the pages-long explanation of why skeuomorphism itself not only isn't bad, it's the best solution for UI/X. It's common sense, so why repost it every time someone whines about something they choose not to understand? If you do any reading on the subject whatsoever, you'll see why you're wrong. You don't protest the concept of skeuomorphism, you protest the specific designs used.
I'm glad you mentioned that! Google Play has thousands of icon sets to download. There are a ton of creative options out there. Even third party complete crooks stealing iOS designs. There are actually a lot of really great ones. That's the beauty of Android. As was my original point. You can't bash the look of Android because there are so many options out there that it is easy to create a beautiful looking home screen (Not including the one below per my personal preference)
So Android is beautiful because you're free to make your phone not look like Android? I'll buy that. /s
The above post is a classic case of how Android fans (and Windows fans before them) just don't get it. They think that UI is all about the appearance of the icons. If you can change the way it looks, that must be a good thing, right? You can simply choose one that works best.
In reality, UI is about how it WORKS, not how it looks. Changing an icon has absolutely no impact on the UI. A bad UI is still a bad UI now matter how many different faces you try to put on it.
Yeah, go criticize the company that cleaned your clock, how "innovative"... Or is he just trying to say "we fell asleep behind the wheel and got bulldozed by Apple"? Thorsten, stand at a mirror and read your comments to yourself once more.
Change for the sake of change is meaningless. It has to have a purpose.
The QWERTY keyboard is over 150 years old and no one ever improved upon it. IPhone outdated? Hardly.
Well, a lot of people claim that the Dvorak key layout is superior, so you're not technically right, but the point is valid. There's no reason to arbitrarily change a UI just because you want something different - which is what is being suggested here. iOS works extremely well and so far no one has given any valid changes that need to be made.
I see the Microsoft and Android UIs as an interface for a child's game. they look cartoonish and unprofessional
The funny part is that most of the big Microsoft and Android fans call Macs (and iOS devices) toys - while they're busy playing with 1000 different configurations and thinking that changing the wallpaper makes it a new UI.
Overhauling the UI for an existing and popular platform is the hardest thing to do in UI design, IMO.
It's fairly easy to create a clean and user-friendly UI when you're working from a clean slate.
It's near impossible to create a clean user-friendly UI when working from scratch. Which is why they industry is constantly looking to the likes of Apple for inspiration. Simple is the most difficult of things to achieve. It's only with hindsight that it looks easy.
But yeah, get your point about changing direction once the ship is moving. That's hard. Especially when you've got something as intuitive as iOS. I think the secret is to keep it the same, but tweak it here and there bit by bit as required. Subtle things can make a world of a difference. Like up-to-date icons for certain apps like weather apps, calendars and clocks.
This is going to be unpopular around here, but I think Apple went too far in adding those 2 widgets to NC. Keeping iOS clean should be high priority for Apple. Once you start that game you get end up lost in the woods.
Serious though - People actually do UI's for a living, by figuring out what is best way for things to flow, and work easiest for humans. And when I have seen top ones stating over and over again about the "newer" UI's being trash and causes things to be longer and harder than they should... who would you believe? A scientist who does that sort of thing for a living, or a CEO of a competing company? And if memory serves me correctly, didn't Apple actually have one of these little scientists work on the UI for the iPhone? Someone get that CEO some new cheerios...
And readers like you should be banned for using AppleInsiders services and not paying them for it when you block Google ads. If you want to be on the web you need to either support AI and deal with Google ads or find another site that allows a paying membership.
Pathetic.
If there was a site that was guaranteed to be 100% free of Fandroids, that might be worth a few bucks to me.
One thing that I think absolutely has to be done with iOS7 is cleaning up the Settings. Every time a new feature gets added it gets thrown in there and it's grown into a big mess. Like, why is notification settings for Angry Birds in both the first Settings screen and then in Notifications? Why is there a massive list of apps on the first page of settings at all? Why is VPN in two spots? I could go on.
Funny how these posts criticize iOS and demand changes yet fail to offer any concrete suggestions. "No sweeping changes... refresh the interface... new features" the poster laments. So bottom line, just change it for change's sake so we can say it's innovative? Well, we've now seen how this attitude works out with the Galaxy S4 loaded with features only a few geeks will use. But hey, it's 'change' so it must be good, right? To me the S4 has become the Microsoft Office of the smartphone market, bloated with features the average user doesn't even know about much less ever use.
The continuing war rages between the tech types and the common user with Apple on the common user's side. Just take a peek at Andy Ihnatko's 6000 word geek manifesto on why he switched to Android and you'll see the contrasting ideologies. Meanwhile even the enterprise is opting for ease of use with iOS.
This goes back to what someone here said about wanting to be entertained by the phone's OS.
The last thing I want to do in life is mess with my phone. To reflect "my mood" even less. There's much to learn during a lifetime . . .
And if I didn't want to I wouldn't have to. I'm just glad I have that option.
In my opinion, if Apple wants to continue to entice the young, very tech savvy, gotta-have-it-now, always want to be the newest, generation of kids that will soon have disposable income, iOS needs to change. It's just my opinion from seeing all my friends and colleges and classmates who mostly have non-Apple phones. No offense, but, you sound exactly like the parents in the Samsung ads. Apple would have to do so little to make that change happen and I really hope they do.
The need to insult your competition shows a lack of a true argument against them.
Android is not my competition. I'm not Apple, though I have been known to own a few AAPL shares from time to time.
I don't really see Android as competition at all, since I believe that they are targeting a different type of consumer, a consumer that I don't really care about, and a consumer that I don't believe that Apple should bother going after.
I've been a fan of Apple long before they began selling hundreds of millions of devices, and I'm not a fan of Apple because of the quantity of phones that they might sell. Needless to say, I am not the least bit impressed by Android, it is a vastly inferior operating system for my needs, and I would never even consider it. As you might have seen from my iPad screen shot, I have a lot of music apps. That is impossible on Android, it is a non starter.
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Originally Posted by zoetmb
It's outdated from a fashion standpoint - for those who think the iOS needs to change just so it looks fresh. It's not outdated from a functional standpoint, because it works quite well, although I can also buy the notion that the startup screen should not necessarily be a list of applications, but something that summarizes news/weather/stocks/activity, etc. Having said that, Apple used to lead in screen design, use of appropriate fonts and general elegance and even Microsoft and Google are now capable of designs that seem more elegant and/or advanced than Apple's. I think Apple has to retake that lead.
There's a screen I can pull down from the 1st app icon screen that frankly, I'm not sure whether it's part of iOS or came from another app - perhaps the NY Times app, but it has weather at the top, then a frame to make a Facebook post, then stocks, then Facebook listings and then New York Times articles and then it has some flight information. The only problem is that it doesn't seem to update often - the NY Times articles it's currently showing are 2 days old and the flights it's showing me are almost a month old -- seems to me once taken, the flights should disappear. But a properly executed version of this probably makes more sense as a startup screen.
The start-up screen is horrible. I have ten pages of apps, and the stone age folder system does not even allow one to combine like ones into one folder (because of folder size limitations) Every file system known to man has hierarchical structure, EXCEPT for iOS. Searching for an app is a hit or miss thing. For example, searching for "Gmail" brings up first many contacts with a gmail.com email address, and about forty lines down the actual app. I could go on, but it is making me too depressed.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Don't be a fool, and don't be an infant.
"Removing skeuomorphism" removes everything down to and including buttons. Skeuomorphism is RIGHT, both in generic and expanded forms. The design is with what you take issue, not the concept.
YOU don't be a fool (or an infant). Why is the assholic "no it isn't" ok for you, but apparently not for others (and yes, that is what I was trying to underscore with my response). Or did I miss the memo on someone dying and making you God?
Originally Posted by igriv
Every file system known to man has hierarchical structure, EXCEPT for iOS.
Stop pretending nonsense. Or if you're going to pretend it, don't post it.
Searching for an app is a hit or miss thing. For example, searching for "Gmail" brings up first many contacts with a gmail.com email address, and about forty lines down the actual app.
So change your search order.
I could go on, but it is making me too depressed.
Reading your lies makes me depressed.
Originally Posted by igriv
Why is the assholic "no it isn't" ok for you, but apparently not for others…
Because I don't feel like wasting my time posting the pages-long explanation of why skeuomorphism itself not only isn't bad, it's the best solution for UI/X. It's common sense, so why repost it every time someone whines about something they choose not to understand? If you do any reading on the subject whatsoever, you'll see why you're wrong. You don't protest the concept of skeuomorphism, you protest the specific designs used.
Notice it's not customers who say this. iOS is simple. It's the only smartphone os that is simple.
It's that simple.
I love iOS.
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Originally Posted by bennettvista
The QWERTY keyboard is over 150 years old and no one ever improved upon it. IPhone outdated? Hardly.
Actually, there are many improvements on the QWERTY keyboard, but inertia is a powerful force.
So Android is beautiful because you're free to make your phone not look like Android? I'll buy that. /s
The above post is a classic case of how Android fans (and Windows fans before them) just don't get it. They think that UI is all about the appearance of the icons. If you can change the way it looks, that must be a good thing, right? You can simply choose one that works best.
In reality, UI is about how it WORKS, not how it looks. Changing an icon has absolutely no impact on the UI. A bad UI is still a bad UI now matter how many different faces you try to put on it.
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Originally Posted by macxpress
I tend to agree that the UI of iOS is outdated. Not much as changed since the original iOS. I'd like to see some differences.
What differences would you like to see? The tech community doesn't understand product design, and they never will. iOS is great.
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Originally Posted by ascii
Retina was quite a big advance in user interface.
Eh... OK.
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Originally Posted by Andysol
I guess they'd know more about that than anyone else in the industry.
I've been thinking. Square houses with doors have been the same for forever. Why not have round ones with tunnels? Innovation!
And triangular shaped wheels! Those round ones are so boring.
Yeah, go criticize the company that cleaned your clock, how "innovative"... Or is he just trying to say "we fell asleep behind the wheel and got bulldozed by Apple"? Thorsten, stand at a mirror and read your comments to yourself once more.
Change for the sake of change is meaningless. It has to have a purpose.
Well, a lot of people claim that the Dvorak key layout is superior, so you're not technically right, but the point is valid. There's no reason to arbitrarily change a UI just because you want something different - which is what is being suggested here. iOS works extremely well and so far no one has given any valid changes that need to be made.
The funny part is that most of the big Microsoft and Android fans call Macs (and iOS devices) toys - while they're busy playing with 1000 different configurations and thinking that changing the wallpaper makes it a new UI.
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Originally Posted by RichL
Overhauling the UI for an existing and popular platform is the hardest thing to do in UI design, IMO.
It's fairly easy to create a clean and user-friendly UI when you're working from a clean slate.
It's near impossible to create a clean user-friendly UI when working from scratch. Which is why they industry is constantly looking to the likes of Apple for inspiration. Simple is the most difficult of things to achieve. It's only with hindsight that it looks easy.
But yeah, get your point about changing direction once the ship is moving. That's hard. Especially when you've got something as intuitive as iOS. I think the secret is to keep it the same, but tweak it here and there bit by bit as required. Subtle things can make a world of a difference. Like up-to-date icons for certain apps like weather apps, calendars and clocks.
This is going to be unpopular around here, but I think Apple went too far in adding those 2 widgets to NC. Keeping iOS clean should be high priority for Apple. Once you start that game you get end up lost in the woods.
Can't we all just get a long??? :P
people... it's frigging icons for bloody sake.
Serious though - People actually do UI's for a living, by figuring out what is best way for things to flow, and work easiest for humans. And when I have seen top ones stating over and over again about the "newer" UI's being trash and causes things to be longer and harder than they should... who would you believe? A scientist who does that sort of thing for a living, or a CEO of a competing company? And if memory serves me correctly, didn't Apple actually have one of these little scientists work on the UI for the iPhone? Someone get that CEO some new cheerios...
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Originally Posted by NexusPhan
And readers like you should be banned for using AppleInsiders services and not paying them for it when you block Google ads. If you want to be on the web you need to either support AI and deal with Google ads or find another site that allows a paying membership.
Pathetic.
If there was a site that was guaranteed to be 100% free of Fandroids, that might be worth a few bucks to me.
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Originally Posted by jglonek
One thing that I think absolutely has to be done with iOS7 is cleaning up the Settings. Every time a new feature gets added it gets thrown in there and it's grown into a big mess. Like, why is notification settings for Angry Birds in both the first Settings screen and then in Notifications? Why is there a massive list of apps on the first page of settings at all? Why is VPN in two spots? I could go on.
Agreed. We hold Apple to a different standard.
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Originally Posted by lkrupp
Funny how these posts criticize iOS and demand changes yet fail to offer any concrete suggestions. "No sweeping changes... refresh the interface... new features" the poster laments. So bottom line, just change it for change's sake so we can say it's innovative? Well, we've now seen how this attitude works out with the Galaxy S4 loaded with features only a few geeks will use. But hey, it's 'change' so it must be good, right? To me the S4 has become the Microsoft Office of the smartphone market, bloated with features the average user doesn't even know about much less ever use.
The continuing war rages between the tech types and the common user with Apple on the common user's side. Just take a peek at Andy Ihnatko's 6000 word geek manifesto on why he switched to Android and you'll see the contrasting ideologies. Meanwhile even the enterprise is opting for ease of use with iOS.
+5B
Leave your momma's basement.
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Originally Posted by Selva Raj
Just granted UI patent and more
and more is coming..
i can not tell u more that for secret reason
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Originally Posted by Flaneur
This goes back to what someone here said about wanting to be entertained by the phone's OS.
The last thing I want to do in life is mess with my phone. To reflect "my mood" even less. There's much to learn during a lifetime . . .
And if I didn't want to I wouldn't have to. I'm just glad I have that option.
In my opinion, if Apple wants to continue to entice the young, very tech savvy, gotta-have-it-now, always want to be the newest, generation of kids that will soon have disposable income, iOS needs to change. It's just my opinion from seeing all my friends and colleges and classmates who mostly have non-Apple phones. No offense, but, you sound exactly like the parents in the Samsung ads. Apple would have to do so little to make that change happen and I really hope they do.
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If there was a site that was guaranteed to be 100% free of Fandroids, that might be worth a few bucks to me.
The need to insult your competition shows a lack of a true argument against them.
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Originally Posted by NexusPhan
The need to insult your competition shows a lack of a true argument against them.
Android is not my competition. I'm not Apple, though I have been known to own a few AAPL shares from time to time.
I don't really see Android as competition at all, since I believe that they are targeting a different type of consumer, a consumer that I don't really care about, and a consumer that I don't believe that Apple should bother going after.
I've been a fan of Apple long before they began selling hundreds of millions of devices, and I'm not a fan of Apple because of the quantity of phones that they might sell. Needless to say, I am not the least bit impressed by Android, it is a vastly inferior operating system for my needs, and I would never even consider it. As you might have seen from my iPad screen shot, I have a lot of music apps. That is impossible on Android, it is a non starter.