Yep, I already said as much. The difference is that I don't call for a person's job or reputation or a company's doom based on what I don't know.
When a company is pushing boundaries like Apple is, my first reaction when things get sticky with a new product is that there is a learning curve with anything technical, not that the new "replacement in Operations has been an unmitigated disaster in managing the supply chain thus far."—anant
If you don't know a thing about that supply chain, that position is just unfair and counterproductive, and worse could be said. I find that "buck stops here" mentality noble, but it only when it applies to oneself. If you lay it on others, you should know whether they could really do anything about the "disaster" you're talking about.
Did I call for anyone's job or forecast doom? Stop lying!
"The buck stops here" - it's not noblesse oblige; it's the real world. And it's the way it should be. Whether something could be done or not is not always relevant. I put you in charge of making sure iMacs are delivered. You fail? It doesn't matter that Joe Mo was sick, or his glue didn't stick. You are responsible because you should have planned for such possibilities before giving me a shipment date. Ergo, you are fired. Now, shoo!
I'd love to see Apple make a competitor to Adobe's products using CoreImage. It could be blazingly fast and integrated into the system. Given that Adobe has been doing their best to screw Apple for 20 years (late products, discounts to switch from Mac to WIndows, etc), it would serve them right.
I don't see why "serve them right" is part of the equation here. FCPX technically competes with Premiere, yet both continue to exist. I have yet to see a version of Aperture that is on par with Lightroom. With Apple these things tend to become pet projects rather than a part of their core business model, which would be my biggest concern.
Did I call for anyone's job or forecast doom? Stop lying!
"The buck stops here" - it's not noblesse oblige; it's the real world. And it's the way it should be. Whether something could be done or not is not always relevant. I put you in charge of making sure iMacs are delivered. You fail? It doesn't matter that Joe Mo was sick, or his glue didn't stick. You are responsible because you should have planned for such possibilities before giving me a shipment date. Ergo, you are fired. Now, shoo!
Suppose that "you" is Tim Cook. (You don't know.) He fires himself, or is fired by the board. Apple self-destructs. Doom.
You just showed me not to be lying. Actually, I was lumping you in with anantksundaram and generalizing about the seriousness of your (ignorant?) foot-stomping from the sidelines.
My theory is that apple has hired him to build an Apple centric 2D/3D engine that they have total control over so app developers can build apps faster, easier, that better target the hardware. Athough apple squashed flash, apple is nervous that Unity3D got out of control. Games built with unity3d that were once ios excusive, are now every were. Android/ouya/webtv/windows/etc....
An Apple controled 2D/3D engine will address this and Lynch is a likely candidate to build it.
I like this structure better though because instead of someone protecting their product line (to the possible detriment of other product lines, see: Sinofsky and Windows) everything you do is for the betterment of the company overall.
Yes everything you do is for the company as a whole, except many of the things you do are bad, because you're a bozo, because there was no simple metric to tell when hiring you if you were any good or not.
Suppose that "you" is Tim Cook. (You don't know.) He fires himself, or is fired by the board. Apple self-destructs. Doom.
You just showed me not to be lying. Actually, I was lumping you in with anantksundaram and generalizing about the seriousness of your (ignorant?) foot-stomping from the sidelines.
Wow, this doesn't make a lot of sense. I've seen Lynch at AdobeMAX several times, and he's a very underwhelming speaker. I often walked away from his speeches scratching my head more than being enthused about Adobe's product announcements. His leadership of Adobe as CTO over the past several years has been questionable at best. Adobe's integration of the Macromedia product line has been a rudderless ship, with rumors of in-fighting (involving Lynch) rampant.
What on earth can Cook see in this guy? I'm sure he's a nice guy and all, but c'mon, this is Apple. Apple doesn't hire B players.
That was Jobs' Apple.
But even Jobs wouldn't hire someone who can threaten him, I'd expect. But he was Jobs. He could get A players who were still not on his level of the game.
Same for Tim. He will not hire someone who can tomorrow emerge as better leader for Apple than him. But he is not Jobs. Thus B players.
I don't think it is anything uncommon. Others are doing the same. Microsoft? Hell yeah.
But even Jobs wouldn't hire someone who can threaten him, I'd expect. But he was Jobs. He could get A players who were still not on his level of the game.
How much of it do you think was him as opposed to him taking the credit for the actions of A players hired by him?
But even Jobs wouldn't hire someone who can threaten him, I'd expect. But he was Jobs. He could get A players who were still not on his level of the game.
Same for Tim. He will not hire someone who can tomorrow emerge as better leader for Apple than him. But he is not Jobs. Thus B players.
I don't think it is anything uncommon. Others are doing the same. Microsoft? Hell yeah.
This whole A player, B player, best people stuff is overblown. It is also irrelevant to discuss whether someone like Avie Tevanian or Mansfield or Ive is on Jobs' level of "the game". Jobs wasn't on the level of any of these guys in what they did and do. Similarly, they don't have his drive for and vision of integrated systems, and the knack to get his teams to work together, not to mention work like mad. Everyone played a role. But Jobs was not a level above. In fact, arguably, anyone of his senior managers could have done his job, albeit not as well. But he couldn't have done any one of their jobs. So the comparison is pointless.
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How much of it do you think was him as opposed to him taking the credit for the actions of A players hired by him?
There is a bit of that. But it doesn't matter. Jobs got his people to deliver topnotch hardware and two topnotch OSes. He could take credit for various ideas. But it is really his ideas that forged his legacy. Many folks had equally compelling visions. What made him stand apart was he pulled his team together to deliver, and to do what he couldn't do himself.
Yes everything you do is for the company as a whole, except many of the things you do are bad, because you're a bozo, because there was no simple metric to tell when hiring you if you were any good or not.
The fact that he quit Adobe means he was not married to Flash. When he worked at Adobe and Macromedia he was defending the company policies that were in place. He didn't invent or write Flash. Now that he is at Apple, expect the same type of loyalty. He is a top tier software engineer. He'll manage to not let previous affiliations get in the way of his accomplishments at his new position.
Think of it as a professional sports star being traded to another team. The new team gets his undivided attention and when there is competition with his old team, his loyalty is to his current manager not the previous one.
Think of it as a professional sports star being traded to another team. The new team gets his undivided attention and when there is competition with his old team, his loyalty is to his current manager not the previous one.
Yeah Apple has a great track record with Pro apps. They start out with lots of potential, then methodically remove features with each update until they eventually discontinue it. Sounds perfect. The Adobe accusation for late product on Mac has not happened since CS was introduced and I have never heard of discounts to switch to Windows. Do you have any citations for that? Not saying it isn't true just I have never been offered a such a discount and if that was indeed one of Adobe's promotions I would think they would have notified me as I have been a long time Mac software customer since the original Illustrator 1a.
They did it back in the PPC Mac days. When Apple came out with PPC Macs, Adobe was extremely slow in coming out with native versions of their software. Instead, they offered their customers a low cost sidegrade to switch to the Windows version.
They did it back in the PPC Mac days. When Apple came out with PPC Macs, Adobe was extremely slow in coming out with native versions of their software. Instead, they offered their customers a low cost sidegrade to switch to the Windows version.
Really? I remember the distinct opposite. Some people I knew back in those days were actually interested in switching to Windows due to the poor performance issues of Macs during the late 80s and early 90s but Adobe would not let them cross upgrade, So please provide some credible references to support your claim.
Personally I have had nothing but top notch service and support from Adobe. They even gave us free copies of inDesign 1 when it was released because we owned licenses for PageMaker which was an Adobe product at the time so it wasn't even an attempt to persuade us to bail on a competitor's product.
Adobe has been absolutely indispensable to professional graphic designers for decades so you are going to be hard pressed to get anyone to agree with your rabid criticisms of Adobe if those people make their living from graphic design. By in large the complainers are not even owners of a legitimate copy of Adobe CS which is the ultimate suite for professional designers bar none.
Have you used Autocad or Navis, lately? people use them, like people use Windows because they have to not because the software is any good, the competition in Cad and desktop publishing has been for dead for years. The Ribbons UI is unbelievable after using Mac OS X.
I have to wonder how many women and/or minorities and/or white males Samsung has on it's board of directors or in senior management positions. I wonder also how many people have ever thought about that or cared. Or care now a single damn.
back on topic: I hope that if Lynch is a bad fit that they let him go quickly.
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Originally Posted by Flaneur
@ankleskater:
Yep, I already said as much. The difference is that I don't call for a person's job or reputation or a company's doom based on what I don't know.
When a company is pushing boundaries like Apple is, my first reaction when things get sticky with a new product is that there is a learning curve with anything technical, not that the new "replacement in Operations has been an unmitigated disaster in managing the supply chain thus far."—anant
If you don't know a thing about that supply chain, that position is just unfair and counterproductive, and worse could be said. I find that "buck stops here" mentality noble, but it only when it applies to oneself. If you lay it on others, you should know whether they could really do anything about the "disaster" you're talking about.
Did I call for anyone's job or forecast doom? Stop lying!
"The buck stops here" - it's not noblesse oblige; it's the real world. And it's the way it should be. Whether something could be done or not is not always relevant. I put you in charge of making sure iMacs are delivered. You fail? It doesn't matter that Joe Mo was sick, or his glue didn't stick. You are responsible because you should have planned for such possibilities before giving me a shipment date. Ergo, you are fired. Now, shoo!
Off-topic: Apropos of some of the discussion here, an interesting article that I randomly came upon, when checking headlines -- http://www.pbs.org/newshour/businessdesk/2013/03/silicon-valleys-war-against-wo.html
(Not saying I agree with all of it; it is just one point of view).
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I'd love to see Apple make a competitor to Adobe's products using CoreImage. It could be blazingly fast and integrated into the system. Given that Adobe has been doing their best to screw Apple for 20 years (late products, discounts to switch from Mac to WIndows, etc), it would serve them right.
I don't see why "serve them right" is part of the equation here. FCPX technically competes with Premiere, yet both continue to exist. I have yet to see a version of Aperture that is on par with Lightroom. With Apple these things tend to become pet projects rather than a part of their core business model, which would be my biggest concern.
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/03/20/apple-hired-bozo-tech-journalist-gruber-says/?intcmp=features
Suppose that "you" is Tim Cook. (You don't know.) He fires himself, or is fired by the board. Apple self-destructs. Doom.
You just showed me not to be lying. Actually, I was lumping you in with anantksundaram and generalizing about the seriousness of your (ignorant?) foot-stomping from the sidelines.
Thanks for the link.
Gruber's totally out of line on this one, and he just joined my peanut gallery.
Notice DED's story here gets the last word.
An Apple controled 2D/3D engine will address this and Lynch is a likely candidate to build it.
Tweet it to Gruber? He needs help today.
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I like this structure better though because instead of someone protecting their product line (to the possible detriment of other product lines, see: Sinofsky and Windows) everything you do is for the betterment of the company overall.
Yes everything you do is for the company as a whole, except many of the things you do are bad, because you're a bozo, because there was no simple metric to tell when hiring you if you were any good or not.
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Originally Posted by Flaneur
Suppose that "you" is Tim Cook. (You don't know.) He fires himself, or is fired by the board. Apple self-destructs. Doom.
You just showed me not to be lying. Actually, I was lumping you in with anantksundaram and generalizing about the seriousness of your (ignorant?) foot-stomping from the sidelines.
No. You are you. Shoo!
That was Jobs' Apple.
But even Jobs wouldn't hire someone who can threaten him, I'd expect. But he was Jobs. He could get A players who were still not on his level of the game.
Same for Tim. He will not hire someone who can tomorrow emerge as better leader for Apple than him. But he is not Jobs. Thus B players.
I don't think it is anything uncommon. Others are doing the same. Microsoft? Hell yeah.
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Originally Posted by nikon133
That was Jobs' Apple.
But even Jobs wouldn't hire someone who can threaten him, I'd expect. But he was Jobs. He could get A players who were still not on his level of the game.
How much of it do you think was him as opposed to him taking the credit for the actions of A players hired by him?
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Originally Posted by nikon133
That was Jobs' Apple.
But even Jobs wouldn't hire someone who can threaten him, I'd expect. But he was Jobs. He could get A players who were still not on his level of the game.
Same for Tim. He will not hire someone who can tomorrow emerge as better leader for Apple than him. But he is not Jobs. Thus B players.
I don't think it is anything uncommon. Others are doing the same. Microsoft? Hell yeah.
This whole A player, B player, best people stuff is overblown. It is also irrelevant to discuss whether someone like Avie Tevanian or Mansfield or Ive is on Jobs' level of "the game". Jobs wasn't on the level of any of these guys in what they did and do. Similarly, they don't have his drive for and vision of integrated systems, and the knack to get his teams to work together, not to mention work like mad. Everyone played a role. But Jobs was not a level above. In fact, arguably, anyone of his senior managers could have done his job, albeit not as well. But he couldn't have done any one of their jobs. So the comparison is pointless.
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Originally Posted by hmm
How much of it do you think was him as opposed to him taking the credit for the actions of A players hired by him?
There is a bit of that. But it doesn't matter. Jobs got his people to deliver topnotch hardware and two topnotch OSes. He could take credit for various ideas. But it is really his ideas that forged his legacy. Many folks had equally compelling visions. What made him stand apart was he pulled his team together to deliver, and to do what he couldn't do himself.
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Originally Posted by ascii
Yes everything you do is for the company as a whole, except many of the things you do are bad, because you're a bozo, because there was no simple metric to tell when hiring you if you were any good or not.
The fact that he quit Adobe means he was not married to Flash. When he worked at Adobe and Macromedia he was defending the company policies that were in place. He didn't invent or write Flash. Now that he is at Apple, expect the same type of loyalty. He is a top tier software engineer. He'll manage to not let previous affiliations get in the way of his accomplishments at his new position.
Think of it as a professional sports star being traded to another team. The new team gets his undivided attention and when there is competition with his old team, his loyalty is to his current manager not the previous one.
Unless you are Brandon Jacobs.
They did it back in the PPC Mac days. When Apple came out with PPC Macs, Adobe was extremely slow in coming out with native versions of their software. Instead, they offered their customers a low cost sidegrade to switch to the Windows version.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
They did it back in the PPC Mac days. When Apple came out with PPC Macs, Adobe was extremely slow in coming out with native versions of their software. Instead, they offered their customers a low cost sidegrade to switch to the Windows version.
Really? I remember the distinct opposite. Some people I knew back in those days were actually interested in switching to Windows due to the poor performance issues of Macs during the late 80s and early 90s but Adobe would not let them cross upgrade, So please provide some credible references to support your claim.
Personally I have had nothing but top notch service and support from Adobe. They even gave us free copies of inDesign 1 when it was released because we owned licenses for PageMaker which was an Adobe product at the time so it wasn't even an attempt to persuade us to bail on a competitor's product.
Adobe has been absolutely indispensable to professional graphic designers for decades so you are going to be hard pressed to get anyone to agree with your rabid criticisms of Adobe if those people make their living from graphic design. By in large the complainers are not even owners of a legitimate copy of Adobe CS which is the ultimate suite for professional designers bar none.
Have you used Autocad or Navis, lately? people use them, like people use Windows because they have to not because the software is any good, the competition in Cad and desktop publishing has been for dead for years. The Ribbons UI is unbelievable after using Mac OS X.
I have to wonder how many women and/or minorities and/or white males Samsung has on it's board of directors or in senior management positions. I wonder also how many people have ever thought about that or cared. Or care now a single damn.
back on topic: I hope that if Lynch is a bad fit that they let him go quickly.