The bizarre campaign against Apple's Tim Cook

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  • Reply 81 of 220
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    poke wrote: »
    There's a simple reason for all this: Apple has a lot of cash. Wall Street wants that cash and will stop at nothing to get it. They don't care about the business, they don't care about the products, they don't care about the CEO, they don't care if Apple is still around in 5 years (or even next week). They just want the cash. It's driving them insane seeing all that cash locked up in a viable business. It'd be so much better for them if Apple was in crisis and the activists could move in and put that cash to work making Wall Street some quick money. Right now the market cap is way too high for anyone to exert any significant control over Apple, but if they can topple it, bring down the market cap, they can "liberate" Apple's cash.

    They appear to have hired plenty of people to help spread that lie. Just this thread along the resident shills are saying that it "didn't count" when the stock tanked to well below it's peak percentage and did so multiple times in much shorter time frames because it was under Jobs despite their cries back then that Apple was doomed.

    Most importantly, Cook has only been at the helm for one and half years and the stock is still above what it when he took over yet they aren't crediting for any of the stock growth, counting any market reasons for its decline, or considering the massive investments, revenue, profits or mindshare Apple has. The only realistic conclusions one can draw is that they are paid shills here to disrupt Apple's mindshare for a price or they have success so much that they will find some argument to disparage Apple regardless of what they stated previously.
  • Reply 82 of 220
    christophbchristophb Posts: 1,482member
    poke wrote: »
    There's a simple reason for all this: Apple has a lot of cash. Wall Street wants that cash and will stop at nothing to get it. They don't care about the business, they don't care about the products, they don't care about the CEO, they don't care if Apple is still around in 5 years (or even next week). They just want the cash. It's driving them insane seeing all that cash locked up in a viable business. It'd be so much better for them if Apple was in crisis and the activists could move in and put that cash to work making Wall Street some quick money. Right now the market cap is way too high for anyone to exert any significant control over Apple, but if they can topple it, bring down the market cap, they can "liberate" Apple's cash.

    I too subscribe to this theory. I'd add another option, that they want to push Apple into making products for the untouchable masses to create big sales numbers to project a different and false illusion of growth.

    Edit: Wow, I eclipsed the 1K post milestone.
  • Reply 83 of 220
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    rogifan wrote: »
    So if Tim Cook should go, who should be his replacement? No one on MacRumors seems to be able to answer that question Maybe someone here will throw out names. Should it be someone inside Apple? Or an external candidate? Jack Dorsey? Should Apple buy Twitter and install Dick Costolo as CEO? Or Yahoo and Marissa Mayer? Should the bring Woz back or maybe have Larry Ellison take control of the board? What exactly does the anti-Tim brigade want?

    These chuckleheads would think Woz would be a better choice. "Woz would make iOS open. iOS needs to be open."
  • Reply 84 of 220

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by poke View Post

    It's driving them insane seeing all that cash locked up in a viable business. 


    So, what do you propose Apple does with this cash? After all, it does not belong to Cook or the management, but they can certainly decide what to do with it.

  • Reply 85 of 220

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    Originally Posted by quinney View Post





    That would result in a competition among trolls to get the highest number of thumbs down. Is that what you really want?


    Ars Technica has a nice "Up/Down" voting system. When a certain level of down votes accumulate, that post gets hidden and you have to click on it to read what the moron wrote. They also tag responses with enough up votes as "Reader Favorite," which can be appended to the end of the original article.


     


    If trolls want to race to the bottom, more power to them. Maybe have the system auto-ban them from posting for a period of time if they exceed X number of down-voted postings?


     


    I know there's no perfect system, but I'd love to see something that would help filter out the crud.

  • Reply 86 of 220

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    Originally Posted by Dave MacLachlan View Post


    I know there's no perfect system, but I'd love to see something that would help filter out the crud.



    But isn't that's what "moderators" are appointed for? To delete crud and ban repeat offender crudsters?

  • Reply 87 of 220
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    So, what do you propose Apple does with this cash? After all, it does not belong to Cook or the management, but they can certainly decide what to do with it.

    If in any way possible I'd privatize the company but they'd have to borrow a lot. They'd certainly be able to pay it back quickly and with low interest but it's technically possible. You can't really count all the cash they have as they do need some for running the business, some for potential issues that could arise, and (of course) most of it is overseas so they lose a huge chunk to taxes if they want to bring it back to the states. If there is a way around that by back stock overseas I don't know of it.

    Another is just keep doing what they're doing. Do the stock buybacks, issue dividends, and invest in their future. The fucktards don't care about success, they want the drama. Risky moves are exciting and when you have more cash security than the entire valuation of your biggest competitors combined there is really nothing you can do to excite those people. These are the people that want an on-screen regardless of story or plot. They are the Michael Bay fans of business and technology.
  • Reply 88 of 220

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    Originally Posted by GTR View Post





    As comments get voted down they become more transparent...until they eventually are unable to be read.



    Users who are voted down more than a hundred times per month are automatically banned for the rest of that month.



    Those banned more than four months in a row get an electric shock through their device and are then banned permanently.



    How'd you like those apples?



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    That's the kind of AppleInsider I'd create, ladies and gentlemen!



    Vote ME for President!!!


    Wish I'd read this post before I responded to one earlier - I like this better :)

  • Reply 89 of 220
    yojimbo007yojimbo007 Posts: 1,163member
    Those who are on hunt for Tim... Are ignorant and cluless.
    They are cry baby stockholders who have no patience and have no clue what it takes to run apple and what Tim has been for apple for over a decade!
    Time to judge his performance is not 8 months after wallstreet manipulation and market panic due to negative propaganda.
    Apples last quaret was record breaking .. With 40 billion profits last year with Tim at helm.

    Judge him .. (If u have to... ) In 12 months from now !
    Last year was a transition year after steves death. And still apple brocke records!
  • Reply 90 of 220
    slurpyslurpy Posts: 5,362member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by poke View Post


    There's a simple reason for all this: Apple has a lot of cash. Wall Street wants that cash and will stop at nothing to get it. They don't care about the business, they don't care about the products, they don't care about the CEO, they don't care if Apple is still around in 5 years (or even next week). They just want the cash. It's driving them insane seeing all that cash locked up in a viable business. It'd be so much better for them if Apple was in crisis and the activists could move in and put that cash to work making Wall Street some quick money. Right now the market cap is way too high for anyone to exert any significant control over Apple, but if they can topple it, bring down the market cap, they can "liberate" Apple's cash.



     


    You pretty much nailed it. It's the only explanation that makes any kind of rational sense. I don't see how anyone who calls for Cook's ouster, without even giving thought to a replacement, can claim that they give a shred of a **** about the future of the company. 


     


    You know what gives me confidence? The fact that Apple has been so fucking quiet. It shows that they can see the forest for the trees, and don't feel the need to engage in the current noise, as they know they have some killer shit in the pipeline to be revealed. You focus on the products and the big picture- that's the only way to do it. The second you start thinking of ways to run your business as to please stockholders and raise the stock price, you're fucked. There's a reason Steve Jobs had such contempt for wallstreet and couldn't care less about shareholders. At the end of the day it's just noise. I can't imagine how someone who realizes what an insanely talented team Apple has, can't be excited about what they've potentially been working on for the past few months.  Apple updated nearly their entire product line in 2012, both hardware and software in a massive way. God forbid we can give them a few months of dev time to show us something truly special, instead of wanting to be constantly entertained like OCD monkeys. If someone wants to check Apple's pulse, just walk into any random Apple store, anytime. I've never been in one that wasn't packed to the brim with enthusiastic customers. These are the people Apple gives a shit about, not greedy stock manipulating assholes or agenda-driven analysts who wouldn't think twice about burning the company down if it would put some extra cash in their pocket. 

  • Reply 91 of 220
    Until the stock market returns to evaluating stocks purely on their dividends it will continue to be a casino. Wouldn't it be more fun to just go to a casino on the days you're feeling lucky?
  • Reply 92 of 220
    stelligentstelligent Posts: 2,680member


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  • Reply 93 of 220

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    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post



    At this point, one might think Cook could simply go on vacation and set Apple's cash machine to run on autopilot. 


     


    So true. Apple's a freight train, with a good conductor, and Tim seems to be a great one, there's no stopping it. If he wants to hit the accelerator, all the better.


     


    Another very enjoyable read, love the DED articles. "Bizarre" is the right word; "shameless" would be another good fit. 


     


    edit: I have no doubt Tim's Nikes are pressed firmly on the accelerator!

  • Reply 94 of 220
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    OT: does anyone think Apple will announce WWDC tickets this week? I believe last year they announced on April 24.
  • Reply 95 of 220
    igrivigriv Posts: 1,177member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post



    OT: does anyone think Apple will announce WWDC tickets this week? I believe last year they announced on April 24.


     


    Wow, an actual interesting question! The interwebs seem to agree on "real soon now", but no one has specific guesses. Apparently https://secure.wwdcblast.com/signup is the place to go.

  • Reply 96 of 220
    quadra 610quadra 610 Posts: 6,756member


    Bizarre indeed. 


     


    Wanting Ballmer out I can understand, he's an incompetent jackoff. 


     


    But Tim Cook?     *confused*

  • Reply 97 of 220
    iqatedoiqatedo Posts: 1,762member


    Apple has huge cash reserves, sky-high mind share, market-share and profitability and yet the share price is falling. There has to be a rat in there somewhere. Tim Cook and Apple deserve better than this.

  • Reply 98 of 220

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    Originally Posted by Smallwheels View Post



    Until the stock market returns to evaluating stocks purely on their dividends it will continue to be a casino. 


    Don't be silly.


     


    'Growth' stocks should be selling for a price of zero in your world. So would Apple, until a year ago.

  • Reply 99 of 220
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    jetz wrote: »
    "The buck stops here."

    Sorry. But if you're the CEO, you're responsible and you answer to shareholders. Apple is no exception to the rules of corporate governance.

    The stock has tanked. Shareholders like me are pissed (and I've lost nowhere near as much as some other people I know). If he doesn't have a feasible plan to get the stock price back up, then it's time for him to go. I thought Forestall successfully demonstrated that nobody at Apple is indispensable.


    I should add that I do think the stock can recover. But I don't think the market belives that. The way prices are right now, it's as though the market thinks that Apple is the next Nokia. A bad assumption perhaps, but it's Mr. Cook's job to prove to show the market why it's wrong.

    If the stockholders hadn't sold their stock they wouldn't be in this quagmire.
  • Reply 100 of 220
    aaarrrggghaaarrrgggh Posts: 1,608member
    solipsismx wrote: »
    aaarrrgggh wrote: »
    First off, it was not Apple's best quarter ever. It was a quarter with record revenue and record profits (by a narrow margin), but best quarter implies fundamentally improving underlying data... which there was none.

    Can you explain this in more detail and/or a different way? I can't help but see increased revenue and profit YoY on a per week basis as "fundamentally improving underlying data."

    The profit increased, but the bottom line growth rate tanked and the top line growth rate was only ok. Fundamentally there is concern that margin compression is permanent in smartphones, so recovery on the bottom line growth seems unlikely.

    At this point, I just want to be as pessimistic as possible. I don't want to be crying in the fetal position with the lights out in 24 hours. Apple needs to do something to get its mojo back.

    In contrast, with a company like MS, the solution is easy-- they need to split themselves up. For Apple, I don't know how they can continue to grow anymore.
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