I always thought Visual Basic was a synonym for Myopia.
Hey I'm with you, I would much prefer to write a Perl script and be done with it but after working in a bank and seeing how much they use VB I can't see the iPad penetrating that until a iOS version of Office is introduced.
Sooo.... that could be because they don't want manufacturers forking their OS. Will they stop counting Samsung devices as Android when they fork the OS??
The rest of the world seems to count the Kindle as an android device and that's where it counts.
While not technically a software fork, the various Android skins have the same effect or worse for customers.
Since more and more iOS devices are being sold each quarter (YoY growth) and the ecosystem dominance and strength is only growing,
i find your post absolutely retarded.
The poster to whom you responded is apparently incorrect.
Canalys today released the results of a recent App Interrogator survey of the top paid-for and free apps from the leading consumer app stores to clients of its App Store Analysis service. The survey reveals that the top paid-for Android apps are priced dramatically higher than those on iOS for the iPhone. In the US, to purchase the top 100 paid-for apps in the Android Market would cost $374.37 – an average of $3.74 per app – more than 2.5 times the cost of the top 100 paid-for iPhone apps. The top 100 iPhone apps would cost $147.00, or $1.47 on average per app.
Hey I'm with you, I would much prefer to write a Perl script and be done with it but after working in a bank and seeing how much they use VB I can't see the iPad penetrating that until a iOS version of Office is introduced.
I am a little surprised at 3 million tablets in the 1st quarter, since basically no one got the RT tablet and the Intel tablet came in mid-quarter.
That's almost as many windows tablets as macs!
Dudes, is Microsoft cannibalizing MacBook sales?
I'm thoroughly amazed they've sold that many. I'm also really interested in which tablets people are actually buying, is it all surface? Also when you say Intel came mid quarter, that's only in the US. The stats are global and most countries only have the RT Surface.
With all the bad press on Win8 it is a shock that people would be choosing it as a tablet.
Personally I only see it getting better. If they've actually managed to get people using them, then those people are going to recommend it. I've had an iPad for a while and got a win 8 tablet a couple if weeks ago. Personally I'd say, Win 8 is a better tablet os than ios. It still needs the apps, but for a device that you hold in your hands it has been better thought out. The big thing to me is just the fact you never have to move your hands to press a button. Everything can be reached with a thumb.
Android tablets still have a lot of features that aren't available on iOS. File-managers that not only access the local data but are able to mount home and work servers, Unix and Windows systems alike. Android also has support for a lot more media codecs, I for one trans-code all of my DVDs and Blue-ray's to Divx, store them on a NAS that is accessible anywhere in the world. I can then stream the media on a TV using DLNA. I can use my Android tablet as a wireless storage device and web-server with PHP for development that can be accessed by any computer. I for one have both a iPad and a Asus Infinity, the kids use the iPad the most for their games but I love the music creation apps and the accessories that go with it like the iO Dock from Alesis for my MIDI keyboard. The Asus is for work as I can mount the server and I really like Polaris Office not to mention sharing content is a lot better on Android due to apps being able to talk to each other. Example: Skydrive or Evernote is accessible in every app that produces content for easy upload and sharing, apps like Photoshop Touch can access any of the four cloud storage services I have directly including mounted work servers where I keep my web gifs and jpegs. iOS is a pain getting work related files to it.
So can I, on my iPhone and iPad using VLC or one of the many other Apps currently available for this purpose, after some open source French hippy whined about VLC and had it pulled from the App Store.
Skydrive, Evernote, Docs to Go, QuickOffice, DropBox etc are all available on iOS and perform most of the stuff you are on about and make it easy to get work related files to it, then there are solutions like Citrix.
I don't even bother with DIVX when things are available in mp4 and play natively with iOS, DIVX is a dinosaur.
I think there is a lost tribe, stuck in the early nineties who still think Office files aren't compatible with Apple devices and require "conversion".
"Compatible" is apparently open to interpretation. I can open Word documents sent by the suits back east, but the formatting is usually all over the place -- header on the first page with all the content on the next, blocks of text overlapping each other, weirdness like that. If that mattered to my work (thankfully it doesn't) I would probably install Office for Mac.
I don't even bother with DIVX when things are available in mp4 and play natively with iOS, DIVX is a dinosaur.
I recently got a reminder that there's a newer version of DiVX and realized I haven't used it since... geez, I dunno, years ago. The reminder only triggered because I was playing something I downloaded from the web that was apparently DiVX encoded.
When h.264 came along I started trying it against the other compressors I was accustomed to using. Pretty soon I wasn't even bothering with anything else.
"Compatible" is apparently open to interpretation. I can open Word documents sent by the suits back east, but the formatting is usually all over the place -- header on the first page with all the content on the next, blocks of text overlapping each other, weirdness like that. If that mattered to my work (thankfully it doesn't) I would probably install Office for Mac.
Apple has exagerated the compatibility, it is mostly compatible but both Pages and Word have features the other doesn't. Stay away from Pages fancier features and you should be OK.
TextEdit is almost totally compatible as are several other applications including the free LibreOffice, OpenOffice and NeoOffice.
There are plenty of options.
Too bad Microsoft totally screwed attempts to set up open document standards but I guess they had to as a matter of survival.
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<p style="background-color:transparent;border:0px;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:0px;font-size:1em;list-style:none;">Apple has exagerated the compatibility, it is mostly compatible but both Pages and Word have features the other doesn't. Stay away from Pages fancier features and you should be OK.</p>
<p style="background-color:transparent;border:0px;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:0px;font-size:1em;list-style:none;">TextEdit is almost totally compatible as are several other applications including the free LibreOffice, OpenOffice and NeoOffice.</p>
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There are plenty of options.
Yes, plenty almost fully compatible options. I've failed to see any among our customers. I'm sure they are somewhere out there, but not in vast abundance. "Almost fully compatible" is only almost good enough for average corporate mind, IMHO and IMHE(xperience).
Too bad Microsoft totally screwed attempts to set up open document standards but I guess they had to as a matter of survival.
Well of course. End of the day, they all do that on occasion, don't they? Whatever they think is the best for them.
Wouldn't it be nice if MS Office is herald of open document standards? It would.
Wouldn't it be nice if OSX could be installed on any x86 machine? It would.
Wouldn't it be nice if iTunes natively support other MP3 players? It would.
Wouldn't it be nice if "exclusive" console games would be available on other platforms, and gamers could multiplay between platforms? It would.
Well. It is always about survival. If not bare survival, then survival of domination or any other corporate high interest.
Here's the latest worldwide marketshare estimates from Canalys:
Total Smart mobile device (notebook, tablet and smart phone) shipments for the Q1 hit 308.7 million units, according to Canalys’ latest worldwide estimates. This represents year-on-year growth of 37.4%.
In terms of OS vendors, the Open Handset Alliance continues to dominate, with Android the OS of choice on 59.5% of all Smart mobile devices shipped. Of the other OS vendors, Apple’s strength in the smart phone and tablet PC markets accounts for its 19.3% share, while Microsoft’s 18.1% share reflects its relative strength in the PC market but continued challenger status in the smart phone space.
Of the three, the tablet market continues to grow the fastest. Worldwide, tablet shipments grew 106.1% year-on-year to 41.9 million units. Though Apple continues to lead in the tablet space with a 46.4% share, it lost share to it Android-based rivals for the third consecutive quarter. ‘Spearheaded by Google and Amazon, the commoditization of the tablet market has happened far quicker than that of the wider PC market,’ said Canalys Senior Analyst, Tim Coulling. ‘Profit margins are being squeezed and vendors without a low cost structure will find it hard to compete. A solid range of must-have accessories and a software and services strategy are vital as vendors will increasingly need to make revenue around their devices.’
Smart phone shipments came in at just over 216.3 million for the quarter, maintaining the strong growth (47.9% this quarter) that the market saw throughout 2012. Android handsets accounted for 75.6% of total smart phone shipments, and Samsung dominated once again, growing its volume by 64.3% year-on-year, which helped its market share exceed 32%. In contrast, Apple saw modest annual growth (6.7%) in its smart phone shipments – the lowest level since the launch of the original iPhone back in 2007.
‘Despite its slowing growth, Apple still shipped over 37 million iPhones,’ said Pete Cunningham, Canalys Principal Analyst. ‘But HTC and Samsung have raised the bar with their latest handsets and Apple needs to respond with its next iPhone. The iPhone user interface is now six years old and badly in need of a refresh. Hardware-wise, the biggest dilemma that Apple faces is what it does with the size of the display on the next iPhone. It cannot afford to ignore the trend for larger displays in premium smart phones. We expect an increase on the iPhone 5’s 4" display but are not anticipating a “Phablet”-style iPhone.’
Huawei, LG and ZTE completed the top five smart phone vendors, all with less than 5% market share each. Once again, Huawei and ZTE benefited from their strength in their home market, with 84% and 71% of their shipments respectively in mainland China. LG’s appearance among the leading vendors comes thanks to an overdue increased focus on its smart phone business at the expense of its feature phone business.
Notebook PC shipments totaled 50.5 million units, once again contracting during the quarter, by 13.1% compared with the same period in 2012. The biggest decline was in Western Europe, where shipments fell by 25.2% on an annual basis. ‘While there are macroeconomic factors that contribute to this ongoing trend, the impact of tablets must not be understated,’ said Canalys Research Analyst, Pin-Chen Tang. ‘The combination of ARM-based chipsets and Android has taken computing devices to new, lower price points. If Microsoft and Intel are serious about capitalizing on this exploding market, both will need to ensure that their OEMs can remain competitive on price.’
So can I, on my iPhone and iPad using VLC or one of the many other Apps currently available for this purpose, after some open source French hippy whined about VLC and had it pulled from the App Store.
Skydrive, Evernote, Docs to Go, QuickOffice, DropBox etc are all available on iOS and perform most of the stuff you are on about and make it easy to get work related files to it, then there are solutions like Citrix.
I don't even bother with DIVX when things are available in mp4 and play natively with iOS, DIVX is a dinosaur.
DIVX is really a container now, using DivX Plus HD I can easily wrap a H.264 video with DTS audio into a container with all the trimmings like subtitles, chapters, multiple languages and now even a custom DVD like start page. If your ripping your BlueRay disks to a media server it's the perfect solution.
DIVX is really a container now, using DivX Plus HD I can easily wrap a H.264 video with DTS audio into a container with all the trimmings like subtitles, chapters, multiple languages and now even a custom DVD like start page. If your ripping your BlueRay disks to a media server it's the perfect solution.
Disks?
Disks?
Oh, you mean those things gathering dust near my cassettes in the garage.
DIVX is really a container now, using DivX Plus HD I can easily wrap a H.264 video with DTS audio into a container with all the trimmings like subtitles, chapters, multiple languages and now even a custom DVD like start page. If your ripping your BlueRay disks to a media server it's the perfect solution.
Disks?
Disks?
Oh, you mean those things gathering dust near my cassettes in the garage.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
iWork. Why would I want Office?
Visual Basic, anyone who has worked in a office that uses VB for heavy calculations can not live without it.
I always thought Visual Basic was a synonym for Myopia.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
I always thought Visual Basic was a synonym for Myopia.
Hey I'm with you, I would much prefer to write a Perl script and be done with it but after working in a bank and seeing how much they use VB I can't see the iPad penetrating that until a iOS version of Office is introduced.
While not technically a software fork, the various Android skins have the same effect or worse for customers.
The poster to whom you responded is apparently incorrect.
Canalys today released the results of a recent App Interrogator survey of the top paid-for and free apps from the leading consumer app stores to clients of its App Store Analysis service. The survey reveals that the top paid-for Android apps are priced dramatically higher than those on iOS for the iPhone. In the US, to purchase the top 100 paid-for apps in the Android Market would cost $374.37 – an average of $3.74 per app – more than 2.5 times the cost of the top 100 paid-for iPhone apps. The top 100 iPhone apps would cost $147.00, or $1.47 on average per app.
Android apps are too expensive
I didn't know VB was still a thing.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
iWork. Why would I want Office?
I think there is a lost tribe, stuck in the early nineties who still think Office files aren't compatible with Apple devices and require "conversion".
Quote:
Originally Posted by DogCowabunga
I am a little surprised at 3 million tablets in the 1st quarter, since basically no one got the RT tablet and the Intel tablet came in mid-quarter.
That's almost as many windows tablets as macs!
Dudes, is Microsoft cannibalizing MacBook sales?
I'm thoroughly amazed they've sold that many. I'm also really interested in which tablets people are actually buying, is it all surface? Also when you say Intel came mid quarter, that's only in the US. The stats are global and most countries only have the RT Surface.
With all the bad press on Win8 it is a shock that people would be choosing it as a tablet.
Personally I only see it getting better. If they've actually managed to get people using them, then those people are going to recommend it. I've had an iPad for a while and got a win 8 tablet a couple if weeks ago. Personally I'd say, Win 8 is a better tablet os than ios. It still needs the apps, but for a device that you hold in your hands it has been better thought out. The big thing to me is just the fact you never have to move your hands to press a button. Everything can be reached with a thumb.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Relic
Android tablets still have a lot of features that aren't available on iOS. File-managers that not only access the local data but are able to mount home and work servers, Unix and Windows systems alike. Android also has support for a lot more media codecs, I for one trans-code all of my DVDs and Blue-ray's to Divx, store them on a NAS that is accessible anywhere in the world. I can then stream the media on a TV using DLNA. I can use my Android tablet as a wireless storage device and web-server with PHP for development that can be accessed by any computer. I for one have both a iPad and a Asus Infinity, the kids use the iPad the most for their games but I love the music creation apps and the accessories that go with it like the iO Dock from Alesis for my MIDI keyboard. The Asus is for work as I can mount the server and I really like Polaris Office not to mention sharing content is a lot better on Android due to apps being able to talk to each other. Example: Skydrive or Evernote is accessible in every app that produces content for easy upload and sharing, apps like Photoshop Touch can access any of the four cloud storage services I have directly including mounted work servers where I keep my web gifs and jpegs. iOS is a pain getting work related files to it.
So can I, on my iPhone and iPad using VLC or one of the many other Apps currently available for this purpose, after some open source French hippy whined about VLC and had it pulled from the App Store.
Skydrive, Evernote, Docs to Go, QuickOffice, DropBox etc are all available on iOS and perform most of the stuff you are on about and make it easy to get work related files to it, then there are solutions like Citrix.
I don't even bother with DIVX when things are available in mp4 and play natively with iOS, DIVX is a dinosaur.
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Originally Posted by hill60
I think there is a lost tribe, stuck in the early nineties who still think Office files aren't compatible with Apple devices and require "conversion".
"Compatible" is apparently open to interpretation. I can open Word documents sent by the suits back east, but the formatting is usually all over the place -- header on the first page with all the content on the next, blocks of text overlapping each other, weirdness like that. If that mattered to my work (thankfully it doesn't) I would probably install Office for Mac.
Quote:
Originally Posted by hill60
I don't even bother with DIVX when things are available in mp4 and play natively with iOS, DIVX is a dinosaur.
I recently got a reminder that there's a newer version of DiVX and realized I haven't used it since... geez, I dunno, years ago. The reminder only triggered because I was playing something I downloaded from the web that was apparently DiVX encoded.
When h.264 came along I started trying it against the other compressors I was accustomed to using. Pretty soon I wasn't even bothering with anything else.
You are lucky. Most people aren't.
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4082543?start=0&tstart=0
But hey, I'm happy for you if you can live this song's refrain:
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Originally Posted by nikon133
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4082543?start=0&tstart=0
But hey, I'm happy for you if you can live this song's refrain:
Thanks for the link:-
PeterBreis0807 Australia
Re: Why isn't Pages compatible with Word as promised?
Jul 5, 2012 3:10 PM (in response to daveshelton)
Apple has exagerated the compatibility, it is mostly compatible but both Pages and Word have features the other doesn't. Stay away from Pages fancier features and you should be OK.
TextEdit is almost totally compatible as are several other applications including the free LibreOffice, OpenOffice and NeoOffice.
There are plenty of options.
Too bad Microsoft totally screwed attempts to set up open document standards but I guess they had to as a matter of survival.
Yes, plenty almost fully compatible options. I've failed to see any among our customers. I'm sure they are somewhere out there, but not in vast abundance. "Almost fully compatible" is only almost good enough for average corporate mind, IMHO and IMHE(xperience).
Well of course. End of the day, they all do that on occasion, don't they? Whatever they think is the best for them.
Wouldn't it be nice if MS Office is herald of open document standards? It would.
Wouldn't it be nice if OSX could be installed on any x86 machine? It would.
Wouldn't it be nice if iTunes natively support other MP3 players? It would.
Wouldn't it be nice if "exclusive" console games would be available on other platforms, and gamers could multiplay between platforms? It would.
Well. It is always about survival. If not bare survival, then survival of domination or any other corporate high interest.
Here's the latest worldwide marketshare estimates from Canalys:
Total Smart mobile device (notebook, tablet and smart phone) shipments for the Q1 hit 308.7 million units, according to Canalys’ latest worldwide estimates. This represents year-on-year growth of 37.4%.
In terms of OS vendors, the Open Handset Alliance continues to dominate, with Android the OS of choice on 59.5% of all Smart mobile devices shipped. Of the other OS vendors, Apple’s strength in the smart phone and tablet PC markets accounts for its 19.3% share, while Microsoft’s 18.1% share reflects its relative strength in the PC market but continued challenger status in the smart phone space.
Of the three, the tablet market continues to grow the fastest. Worldwide, tablet shipments grew 106.1% year-on-year to 41.9 million units. Though Apple continues to lead in the tablet space with a 46.4% share, it lost share to it Android-based rivals for the third consecutive quarter. ‘Spearheaded by Google and Amazon, the commoditization of the tablet market has happened far quicker than that of the wider PC market,’ said Canalys Senior Analyst, Tim Coulling. ‘Profit margins are being squeezed and vendors without a low cost structure will find it hard to compete. A solid range of must-have accessories and a software and services strategy are vital as vendors will increasingly need to make revenue around their devices.’
Smart phone shipments came in at just over 216.3 million for the quarter, maintaining the strong growth (47.9% this quarter) that the market saw throughout 2012. Android handsets accounted for 75.6% of total smart phone shipments, and Samsung dominated once again, growing its volume by 64.3% year-on-year, which helped its market share exceed 32%. In contrast, Apple saw modest annual growth (6.7%) in its smart phone shipments – the lowest level since the launch of the original iPhone back in 2007.
‘Despite its slowing growth, Apple still shipped over 37 million iPhones,’ said Pete Cunningham, Canalys Principal Analyst. ‘But HTC and Samsung have raised the bar with their latest handsets and Apple needs to respond with its next iPhone. The iPhone user interface is now six years old and badly in need of a refresh. Hardware-wise, the biggest dilemma that Apple faces is what it does with the size of the display on the next iPhone. It cannot afford to ignore the trend for larger displays in premium smart phones. We expect an increase on the iPhone 5’s 4" display but are not anticipating a “Phablet”-style iPhone.’
Huawei, LG and ZTE completed the top five smart phone vendors, all with less than 5% market share each. Once again, Huawei and ZTE benefited from their strength in their home market, with 84% and 71% of their shipments respectively in mainland China. LG’s appearance among the leading vendors comes thanks to an overdue increased focus on its smart phone business at the expense of its feature phone business.
Notebook PC shipments totaled 50.5 million units, once again contracting during the quarter, by 13.1% compared with the same period in 2012. The biggest decline was in Western Europe, where shipments fell by 25.2% on an annual basis. ‘While there are macroeconomic factors that contribute to this ongoing trend, the impact of tablets must not be understated,’ said Canalys Research Analyst, Pin-Chen Tang. ‘The combination of ARM-based chipsets and Android has taken computing devices to new, lower price points. If Microsoft and Intel are serious about capitalizing on this exploding market, both will need to ensure that their OEMs can remain competitive on price.’
DIVX is really a container now, using DivX Plus HD I can easily wrap a H.264 video with DTS audio into a container with all the trimmings like subtitles, chapters, multiple languages and now even a custom DVD like start page. If your ripping your BlueRay disks to a media server it's the perfect solution.
Disks?
Disks?
Oh, you mean those things gathering dust near my cassettes in the garage.
Disks?
Disks?
Oh, you mean those things gathering dust near my cassettes in the garage.