The software is downloaded and installed on your computer just like it always has. It only checks in once a month to see if your subscription is up-to-date.
The Cloud storage and other services are optional.
It's a very confusing name... but the software is still installed and runs locally from your computer.
So, when you decide you no longer want to pay the monthly fee... Your applications disappear and you're only left with the files you created, right?
I did my site in DW8 and I occasionally tweak it. I don't need any other stuff from Adobe. But now they want me to pay $600 EVERY YEAR?! INSANE!!! I'm VERY ANGRY about this!
My option would be either to re-do my site in iWeb, which has been discontinued, or find some other applications! Wordpress comes to mind. But I wonder if it will do the Templates like DW does, where one can Edit a Template, and All Pages based on that Template will be Updated Automatically?
Another issue that this solves for Adobe (and to a certain degree the end users) is that they don't have to upgrade all of their software on the same schedule. With the previous business model, customers were paying for a few applications with major updates and the rest with minor bug fixes. This was especially apparent in the CS 5 to CS 5.5 upgrade. With the subscription model you can upgrade as soon as a new version of each application becomes available or is needed.
I did my site in DW8 and I occasionally tweak it. I don't need any other stuff from Adobe. But now they want me to pay $600 EVERY YEAR?! INSANE!!! I'm VERY ANGRY about this!
My option would be either to re-do my site in iWeb, which has been discontinued, or find some other applications! Wordpress comes to mind. But I wonder if it will do the Templates like DW does, where one can Edit a Template, and All Pages based on that Template will be Updated Automatically?
With the subscription model you can upgrade as soon as a new version of each application becomes available or is needed.
This is just an assumption. Suppose they demand a higher monthly fee for an upgraded version? Suppose there are many more tiers of pricing they roll out once enough subscribers have been added? No. I don't like it. I hate subscription payments.
This is what I never liked from the Internet, ie, when it gives more control to companies and less power to users. It all began with apps that install without letting you have a backup of the complete installer. And of course, what Adobe wants to do now is the golden dream of every software company: make the used depend on being always connected to you.
This was worrying a decade ago, when all serious software was commercial. However, nowadays there're serious (very professional) free alternatives in almost every software category, so if any company tries to live this golden dream of the Internet, they'll fail.
For Apple products, I stick to an every third generation upgrade policy. For Adobe, it seems to be closer to every second generation. This is due to the Apple, Microsoft, Adobe, etc. marketing that sells the user they need to upgrade every iteration. Not so, in my mind.
With the cloud based model, you will pay for every upgrade, even if the reviews verify that there are not enough compelling features to do so. Many of the professionals I follow, were using PS 5, even though PS 6 had been available for some time. To those claiming piracy, low usage, etc. as the reason for the complaining, your arguments don't hold water, for me anyway, and makes it seem like you have some financial relationship with Adobe. Maybe not, but that is the feeling I get....
I disagree that non-professionals should migrate away from Photoshop. Why? A talented non-professional (aka: artist) could kick the ass of a hack professional any day. Why should they have limited tools? Part of what I used to like about Adobe was that their software offered a very generous palette of tools and possibilities at a relatively affordable price point. That was many years ago and over the last several we've seen the updates prices sky-rocket unfairly and now this... It's a little depressing.
As a professional web developer I have already replaced much of my Adobe software, but this is the icing on the cake, I will not pay a subscription fee for my software indefinitely. I will look for a Fireworks replacement and never look back.
I disagree that non-professionals should migrate away from Photoshop. Why? A talented non-professional (aka: artist) could kick the ass of a hack professional any day. Why should they have limited tools? Part of what I used to like about Adobe was that their software offered a very generous palette of tools and possibilities at a relatively affordable price point. That was many years ago and over the last several we've seen the updates prices sky-rocket unfairly and now this... It's a little depressing.
Just a guess on my part, but I'm thinking Adobe needs to go this route or their business options are very limited in the future.
With the subscription model you can upgrade as soon as a new version of each application becomes available or is needed.
This is just an assumption. Suppose they demand a higher monthly fee for an upgraded version? Suppose there are many more tiers of pricing they roll out once enough subscribers have been added? No. I don't like it. I hate subscription payments.
No, it is part of the annual contract. You get the new apps as soon as they come out with no additional charge during your annual renewal plan. I don't know, perhaps they will cancel the whole thing if they get a huge number of user complaints, but I doubt they would be so aggressive with this new model if they weren't totally convinced of advantages and the acceptance from their core customers. It is interesting to note that they left Acrobat out of this subscription only program which I suspect is indicative of the primary customer being corporate users who are not set up to have digital subscriptions for every seat especially with the IT lock downs. They also left out Lightroom as I suppose professional photographers are often out on location and may not be able to revalidate their credentials. Although those two applications come with CC it looks like you can still buy to own them.
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Originally Posted by Bergermeister
With extensive control over menus?
I wouldn't see why not. What, really, could be supported on Adobe's software that isn't in Apple's?
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Originally Posted by Michael Scrip
The software is downloaded and installed on your computer just like it always has. It only checks in once a month to see if your subscription is up-to-date.
The Cloud storage and other services are optional.
It's a very confusing name... but the software is still installed and runs locally from your computer.
So, when you decide you no longer want to pay the monthly fee... Your applications disappear and you're only left with the files you created, right?
I was going to get Dreamweaver, cause I don't other Adobe stuff… Oops - Apple just DISCONTINUED it!!!
Adobe® Dreamweaver® CS5.5 Product No Longer Available http://j.mp/ZLHf4l ;
And it's not available on Adobe's Site either:
http://www.adobe.com/products/dreamweaver.html ;
I did my site in DW8 and I occasionally tweak it. I don't need any other stuff from Adobe. But now they want me to pay $600 EVERY YEAR?! INSANE!!! I'm VERY ANGRY about this!
My option would be either to re-do my site in iWeb, which has been discontinued, or find some other applications! Wordpress comes to mind. But I wonder if it will do the Templates like DW does, where one can Edit a Template, and All Pages based on that Template will be Updated Automatically?
What else is out there to replace my DW?
Has anyone here tried http://www.squarespace.com or any such services?
Originally Posted by macologist
What else is out there to replace my DW?
Coda. You'll never go back.
Another issue that this solves for Adobe (and to a certain degree the end users) is that they don't have to upgrade all of their software on the same schedule. With the previous business model, customers were paying for a few applications with major updates and the rest with minor bug fixes. This was especially apparent in the CS 5 to CS 5.5 upgrade. With the subscription model you can upgrade as soon as a new version of each application becomes available or is needed.
Adobe? Is anybody still using their intrusive bloatware?
Yep.
That's the nature of a software subscription.
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Originally Posted by Michael Scrip
Yep.
That's the nature of a software subscription.
Yes, evidently.
Having said that, I cannot fathom upgrading beyond CS6 under any circumstances. I eagerly await Apple's response, if any.
To be clear... that $600 a year is for the entire Adobe software suite... every professional-level program Adobe makes.
I think you can still pay for a subscription to an individual program like Dreamweaver... but it's still likely more than you'd want to spend.
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Originally Posted by mstone
With the subscription model you can upgrade as soon as a new version of each application becomes available or is needed.
This is just an assumption. Suppose they demand a higher monthly fee for an upgraded version? Suppose there are many more tiers of pricing they roll out once enough subscribers have been added? No. I don't like it. I hate subscription payments.
This was worrying a decade ago, when all serious software was commercial. However, nowadays there're serious (very professional) free alternatives in almost every software category, so if any company tries to live this golden dream of the Internet, they'll fail.
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Originally Posted by Michael Scrip
To be clear... that $600 a year is for the entire Adobe software suite... every professional-level program Adobe makes.
I think you can still pay for a subscription to an individual program like Dreamweaver... but it's still likely more than you'd want to spend.
http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/buying-guide.html
Judging by Apple's recent history in pro-level apps... do you really expect them to have a response?
Apple is still, by far, a hardware-focused vendor.
If anyone will challenge Photoshop and other professional Adobe apps... I don't think it will be Apple.
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Originally Posted by macologist
What else is out there to replace my DW?
You can subscribe to Dreamweaver CC version for $19.99 a month
or buy Coda is $99 $75 up front.
For Apple products, I stick to an every third generation upgrade policy. For Adobe, it seems to be closer to every second generation. This is due to the Apple, Microsoft, Adobe, etc. marketing that sells the user they need to upgrade every iteration. Not so, in my mind.
With the cloud based model, you will pay for every upgrade, even if the reviews verify that there are not enough compelling features to do so. Many of the professionals I follow, were using PS 5, even though PS 6 had been available for some time. To those claiming piracy, low usage, etc. as the reason for the complaining, your arguments don't hold water, for me anyway, and makes it seem like you have some financial relationship with Adobe. Maybe not, but that is the feeling I get....
I disagree that non-professionals should migrate away from Photoshop. Why? A talented non-professional (aka: artist) could kick the ass of a hack professional any day. Why should they have limited tools? Part of what I used to like about Adobe was that their software offered a very generous palette of tools and possibilities at a relatively affordable price point. That was many years ago and over the last several we've seen the updates prices sky-rocket unfairly and now this... It's a little depressing.
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Originally Posted by vincentagniello
I disagree that non-professionals should migrate away from Photoshop. Why? A talented non-professional (aka: artist) could kick the ass of a hack professional any day. Why should they have limited tools? Part of what I used to like about Adobe was that their software offered a very generous palette of tools and possibilities at a relatively affordable price point. That was many years ago and over the last several we've seen the updates prices sky-rocket unfairly and now this... It's a little depressing.
Just a guess on my part, but I'm thinking Adobe needs to go this route or their business options are very limited in the future.
How so?
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Originally Posted by SpamSandwich
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Originally Posted by mstone
With the subscription model you can upgrade as soon as a new version of each application becomes available or is needed.
This is just an assumption. Suppose they demand a higher monthly fee for an upgraded version? Suppose there are many more tiers of pricing they roll out once enough subscribers have been added? No. I don't like it. I hate subscription payments.
No, it is part of the annual contract. You get the new apps as soon as they come out with no additional charge during your annual renewal plan. I don't know, perhaps they will cancel the whole thing if they get a huge number of user complaints, but I doubt they would be so aggressive with this new model if they weren't totally convinced of advantages and the acceptance from their core customers. It is interesting to note that they left Acrobat out of this subscription only program which I suspect is indicative of the primary customer being corporate users who are not set up to have digital subscriptions for every seat especially with the IT lock downs. They also left out Lightroom as I suppose professional photographers are often out on location and may not be able to revalidate their credentials. Although those two applications come with CC it looks like you can still buy to own them.