What happened is Apple respects content owners rights and licenses them accordingly.
The delay is caused by content owners who fear iTunes dominance and are trying to break away.
I wonder how long companies like spotify can hang on, they are in for a squeeze.
Are you saying that Google did not get those rights? If Apple has been trying to get the rights for a few years, and Google has got them, thats a huge coup for Google. Possibly Sony are playing a game here - give it to Google to get better terms from Apple. But still, it shows how the labels are not so scared of, or convinced with, Apple's superiority.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
N… no… you're confused.
How? Continued as both "do you know this" and "would that happen?"
So basically you recognize your fears are unfounded.
Name. One.
Because they are?
Maybe pay attention to the products they're releasing and you'll see.
1. Why do they need something that stupid?
2. What proof is there that they were ever going to make something that stupid?
Samsung is eating into Apple's profit share in the market, for sure. At this rate they will overtake this year. Possibly next quarter.
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Originally Posted by ThePixelDoc
Just my recurring thoughts re: Apple CEO:
I still think that the person most able to give that charismatic, zealous and visionary spark back to Apple, is Scott Forstall. His career road-map is and could further be deeply tied to parallel Steve Jobs. Could we possibly witness history repeating itself within one company some day?
I think he could be the guy, but is disliked. ( Jobs would have been disliked had he come up through the ranks, though).
That's a very bold claim. Although, I am somewhat skeptical, since I've seen nothing in what Cook has done or said so far in his career that leads me to think it could something so dramatic. I truly hope you're right.
Any thoughts on what form do you think this total reform and revolution would take?
I suppose I should work on this in some specific way. For now, a couple of sketchy thoughts:
How many textbooks fit into an iPad? Answer, a near infinite number, if it's connected to the Internet.
The kind of learning the connected iPad ecourages—holistic, associative, relational, dynamic, situational—are directly opposite to the kind of static and contained analytical learning that the printed book fosters. I should say "apposite," because the printed book and its built-in mandates are not going away. There will probably still be classes and classrooms for the near future, but the pressure of electronic learning is toward the Platonic academy model based on dialogue. Schools will become more integrative, organized around learning itself like Steiner schools, rather than by subjects.
This is basic McLuhan so far. What Apple beings to the table is deliberate focus on these very technology+liberal arts attributes of the very personal, very portable computer. There's no reason at all to believe that Tim Cook does not get this to the very bottom of his soul. If he'd stayed with Compaq and then HP, he might have stayed the spreadsheet genius he is reputed to be, but he hooked up with Steve Jobs and was chosen for his receptivity to the Apple messianic vision. If he didn't get the vision, he wouldn't have been chosen, simple as that. Or so I believe, having no reason to think otherwise.
They are going ahead with the new headquarters building, indicating they have at least a 25-year plan. They are continuing with Apple U., indicating they know that "the vision" is a thing that must be transmitted into the future. Tim Cook talks about preserving the "start-up" culture at Apple, indicating that he gets this very crucial human element to how innovation works. Notice he also talks about how if you have to have a Department of Innovation at your company, you've already lost your vision.
And his vision is global, probably much more in a practical way that was Steve Jobs's, because he has spent his career making supply alliances down to the foundry and machine shop level in China or wherever. He always talks about the number of stores (Apple schools, really, he says) that are going to be opened outside the U.S. with pride, and he loves talking about the mother of all markets that is China. He thinks big, like in units of $10 billion ("we invested a pair of tens over the last two years"), and he thinks so seriously about the specifics of the future that he is "doubling down" on secrecy.
So it's no wonder that people don't see the vision of Tim Cook. If he says anything about the future, people will freak out as they contemplate a world dominated by Apple. They will miss the point. Apple is deliberately making only the medium of communication, not the message, except for their sleaze filtering when it tries to pass through their stores. But I see no reason to disbelieve that Tim Cook has adopted Steve Jobs's mission to change the world for the better with the personal computer. He just can't talk about it.
Why do you think this? What exactly is his visionary spark? Why do people think he's the next Steve Jobs just because he was fired from Apple? Using your logic the current leadership/board at Apple is just as bad as during the 80s when Steve was fired. Do you really believe that?
No... I certainly do not believe that the board and/or Tim Cook are the same as before SJ came back to Apple. In fact, I unabashedly support both 100% currently, because there simply is no one better to replace any of them. Which I might add, just in the odd occurrence that TC would ever decide to step down on his own... I would never, ever call him a failure at Apple, or as "interrum CEO". I've stated that in more than a few posts here at AI.
However, I really don't see TC as the "ultimate" perfect CEO for Apple. It's too hard and would take too long to say, but the job is simply, "not him". He will never be an ass enough, brash enough, rhetorically snide, snarky and quick enough. He's too much of a Southern gentleman for the job and if he tried to be what he clearly is not, not only would he be uncomfortable, but I think watching it ourselves could be cringe-worthy to tell the truth. The media would eat the poor guy alive!
Now that Scott Forstall... that's another subject. You may want to check out his career path, watch some of his captivating presentations, and maybe read about his being a "difficult self-absorbed SOB" sometimes to deal with. You're staring at a young SJ in the making... and there are enough "geniuses" sprinkled throughout history with these vary same traits.
Jonny Ive would never take the job... and I bet he would even turn down a cool $1-Billion in doing so. It's not him either (see above) and he absolutely knows it. He's also far to passionate about designing things than to put up with the day-to-day BS a CEO must, taking him away from his very own version of heaven on earth: his "workshop". Which is probably and by all accounts is, an engineer's and industrial designer's wet-dream!!!
<snipped only because it is the post above this one>So it's no wonder that people don't see the vision of Tim Cook. If he says anything about the future, people will freak out as they contemplate a world dominated by Apple. They will miss the point. Apple is deliberately making only the medium of communication, not the message, except for their sleaze filtering when it tries to pass through their stores. But I see no reason to disbelieve that Tim Cook has adopted Steve Jobs's mission to change the world for the better with the personal computer. He just can't talk about it.
Nailed it Flaneur! All of the points mentioned above is why I truly do like Tim Cook, and even if my little foray into Crystal-Balling sees a Scott Forstall somewhere lurking... I would never EVER want to see Tim Cook leave Apple for any other company!
You summed up superbly the internal Tim Cook that real Apple "Insiders" and employees see. Unfortunately, I'm making excuses and trying to explain why externally, the world-facing Tim Cook is catching so much flak and BS... and sympathetic to that, would like to see the guy out of the cross-fire. Scot t Forstall could take it I'm sure... and give it back too. Someone in this thread pointedly said," It's as if Apple is continually being punched in the gut, and decides... or can't... fight back". We all know how that's perceived in America, actually the world over, as being a "softy", not manly, whatever. Rarely do we consider it a strength. And regardless of whether the strength and resolve is still there... I really do hate watching someone get bullied and bashed around like this.
The CEO job today is nothing to really wish for, and you have to be a bit off your rocker to ever want to be one. My take on it anyway.
BTW: I recently read an article, can't find it (grrrr!) regarding online and collaborative schooling... even at Harvard these days. This will most definitely trickle all the way down the education ladder. I for one think it makes perfect logical sense... uhm... and cents. Teachers will certainly have to up their marketability. Not banging on teachers! Just saying!
The question I have for you all is what is wrong with a different 'style' CEO? Who the hell says a CEO can only be a brash assertive person? And NOW everyone admires SJ as a visionary? He was lambasted daily while he was alive as a cocky fool by the media. 'Reality distortion field' etc.
Jobs was a visionary the whole time regardless of what was reported about him.
Cook is different from Jobs, why can't he just do his thing without all this fuss? He's actually been running things for years. Nope, this is partially Wall Street morons and partially something in development and he dares not reveal it.
I think that Cook has certain things planned. Remember his 'we are stepping on the gas' quote from when they renewed their entire product line in time for the holidays? It seemed almost like they were clearing the decks for something really big coming. However, there were manufacturing issues, not the least of which was finding alternates to Samsung. There were the precision bevels that were hard to do, screens, etc. I do wonder what is in the pipeline and when they can show us.
Anyways, Cook may be a lot better CEO for Apple than some of you might think, precisely because his style is different. He just can't talk about any of it for good reason.
No teenager (that I know of) would pay $120 a year for the service.
Then your defiantly not a parent of one, 10 songs on iTunes a month or unlimited bands to listen to. We moved our daughter over to GrooveShark a long time ago and ended the 100+ dollars she was spending on iTunes a month. Trust me, any parent with a teenager in the house loves streaming music over pay by song.
Now that Scott Forstall... that's another subject. You may want to check out his career path, watch some of his captivating presentations, and maybe read about his being a "difficult self-absorbed SOB" sometimes to deal with. You're staring at a young SJ in the making... and there are enough "geniuses" sprinkled throughout history with these vary same traits.
Enough of an explanation for ya? :smokey:
So because was/is a jerk like Steve could be and to some was a good speaker on stage he's the next Steve Jobs or will come back to Apple to save the day like Steve did? What exactly is his vision? Has he ever given an interview or spoken outside of a keynote where we can get a feel for what his vision for Apple would be?
[B]@ThePixelDoc[/B] and [B]palomine[/B], great to see others who "get" Tim Cook and what he's about.
I had a nice long reply I was working on, but my ancient, beat-up and overloaded iPad one crashed after four or five weighty paragraphs, and I lost the whole thing. I guess I'll have to blame Apple and its so-called supply-chain genius. /s
The question I have for you all is what is wrong with a different 'style' CEO? Who the hell says a CEO can only be a brash assertive person? And NOW everyone admires SJ as a visionary? He was lambasted daily while he was alive as a cocky fool by the media. 'Reality distortion field' etc.
Jobs was a visionary the whole time regardless of what was reported about him.
Cook is different from Jobs, why can't he just do his thing without all this fuss? He's actually been running things for years. Nope, this is partially Wall Street morons and partially something in development and he dares not reveal it.
I think that Cook has certain things planned. Remember his 'we are stepping on the gas' quote from when they renewed their entire product line in time for the holidays? It seemed almost like they were clearing the decks for something really big coming. However, there were manufacturing issues, not the least of which was finding alternates to Samsung. There were the precision bevels that were hard to do, screens, etc. I do wonder what is in the pipeline and when they can show us.
Anyways, Cook may be a lot better CEO for Apple than some of you might think, precisely because his style is different. He just can't talk about any of it for good reason.
Thinking more about this I remember speech last year Malcolm Gladwell gave to a conference I attended. The meme of the speech was practical innovation and he used Apple as one of his examples. That Apple often times wasn't first or even second to market with something but what they did eventually bring to market revolutionized that space. Whereas Google and other companies want to be in every space or want to be the first at something, Apple doesn't care. Apple isn't interested in having their hands in everything (ala Google) or necessarily being first to bring something to market (e.g., LTE, NFC). It's about building great products and a great user experience first and foremost, and being profitable off it second. Reminds me of a quote from Jony Ive from last year:
"Most of our competitors are interesting in doing something different, or want to appear new - I think those are completely the wrong goals. A product has to be genuinely better. This requires real discipline, and that’s what drives us - a sincere, genuine appetite to do something that is better. Committees just don’t work, and it’s not about price, schedule or a bizarre marketing goal to appear different - they are corporate goals with scant regard for people who use the product."
Of course people will quibble over whether everything Apple does is always better, but I do think that is their philosophy. It's not about littering up a spec or feature sheet or constantly pushing different iterations of product out (how many Samsung mobile phone models exist now?). If it takes Apple longer to get something right (at least what they believe is right), and someone else beats them to market, than so be it.
So because was/is a jerk like Steve could be and to some was a good speaker on stage he's the next Steve Jobs or will come back to Apple to save the day like Steve did? What exactly is his vision? Has he ever given an interview or spoken outside of a keynote where we can get a feel for what his vision for Apple would be?
NO. He wasn't allowed or had the opportunity to do so. The same as Tim Cook has kept mum. It's adhering to the NDA and secrecy that Apple demands from ALL of it's workers, including the board.
Why are you trying to squeeze me into that shallow drawer of people that think that TC should be replaced? I have only said that I don't think we've seen the last of Scott Forstall in some kind of capacity at Apple. The capacity of CEO fitting other "historical and successful figure's" character traits quite well, from what we've seen of him.
Let's not forget: he was hand picked by SJ to make the move to Apple from Next... AND as the VP of iOS development. THE most important project of the last decade in all of tech. Are YOU doubting SJ and his decision? I'm not... and still have no reason to. In fact... I don't doubt any reason whatsoever that TC had for removing him either, and for letting him cool down and reevaluate what it is to be a leader at Apple... maybe in a far bigger role again some day.
Maybe I'm not as eloquent as Flaneur explaining it.. but I don't think my position in this matter is so hard to understand, nor to fathom "possibly" coming true... some... day. 8-)
It appears you need everything laid out for you in book form or a PowerPoint pres (I purposely use PP in your case)... and I'm sorry, I don't have the time to do that for ya.
Your last post was very good, and I agree with 100%.
As for a "NEW-Style CEO": as much as you and I would like this to be the case with Tim Cook and support him (like that really matters)... the rest of the world, which includes investors, adversaries, competitors, The Media AND customers past, present and future are not showing the guy a whole lot of respect these days. Absolutely NO reason for firing him, but cause for reassessing his role at Apple, and where he fits best in Apple's future. Actually... that's what we're doing here. It's the rest of the world that is the worry. Will they give the guy a real chance at success and or proving himself?
As I've said now often enough: WWDC is going to be the biggest jaw-dropping event in the history of Apple since the "MS doesn't have to lose for Apple to win" Macworld speech by SJ. I'm betting on "Jaw-Dropping Awesome", while other s are going the other route. We shall soon see....:smokey:
NO. He wasn't allowed or had the opportunity to do so. The same as Tim Cook has kept mum. It's adhering to the NDA and secrecy that Apple demands from ALL of it's workers, including the board.
Why are you trying to squeeze me into that shallow drawer of people that think that TC should be replaced? I have only said that I don't think we've seen the last of Scott Forstall in some kind of capacity at Apple. The capacity of CEO fitting other "historical and successful figure's" character traits quite well, from what we've seen of him.
Let's not forget: he was hand picked by SJ to make the move to Apple from Next... AND as the VP of iOS development. THE most important project of the last decade in all of tech. Are YOU doubting SJ and his decision? I'm not... and still have no reason to. In fact... I don't doubt any reason whatsoever that TC had for removing him either, and for letting him cool down and reevaluate what it is to be a leader at Apple... maybe in a far bigger role again some day.
Maybe I'm not as eloquent as Flaneur explaining it.. but I don't think my position in this matter is so hard to understand, nor to fathom "possibly" coming true... some... day. 8-)
It appears you need everything laid out for you in book form or a PowerPoint pres (I purposely use PP in your case)... and I'm sorry, I don't have the time to do that for ya.
Your last post was very good, and I agree with 100%.
As for a "NEW-Style CEO": as much as you and I would like this to be the case with Tim Cook and support him (like that really matters)... the rest of the world, which includes investors, adversaries, competitors, The Media AND customers past, present and future are not showing the guy a whole lot of respect these days. Absolutely NO reason for firing him, but cause for reassessing his role at Apple, and where he fits best in Apple's future. Actually... that's what we're doing here. It's the rest of the world that is the worry. Will they give the guy a real chance at success and or proving himself?
As I've said now often enough: WWDC is going to be the biggest jaw-dropping event in the history of Apple since the "MS doesn't have to lose for Apple to win" Macworld speech by SJ. I'm betting on "Jaw-Dropping Awesome", while other s are going the other route. We shall soon see....:smokey:
Maybe I should be more clear. I guess I'm not questioning you as far as Cook goes, I just don't think Scott Forstall is another Steve Jobs in the making. Or because he came from NeXT he's got some special status.
Read Walter Issacson's book. Scott Forstall was mentioned 3 times, never interviewed. Jony Ive got his own chapter with a comment from Steve about Jony being his spiritual partner at Apple and having more operational power than anyone else except Steve himself. Also Steve's wife saying Jony had a special status, that most people in Steve's life were replaceable but Jony wasn't. According to Adam Lashinsky's "Inside Apple" book the only Apple executives to attend Steve's burial service were Tim Cook, Jony Ive and Eddy Cue. Jony spoke at the private memorial service and the public service on Apple's campus. Also lets not forget that the first phone call Steve made on the iPhone was to Jony. Same thing with the first FaceTime call - he didn't call Scott, he called Jony (who he referred to as "one of my best friends in the whole world").
Now I'm not suggesting Ive should be CEO, far from it. But I'm not convinced Forstall was the man at Apple and will or needs to come back to save the day ala Steve in 1997. As Don Norman wrote last year, I think Cook is the head, Ive the heart and Schiller the voice of Apple. The wild card is Bob Mansfield who I think was brought back to work on some really cool stuff. And I've heard that he and Ive get on really well so the two of them together will probably be giving us some amazing shit next year (or maybe even this fall).
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Originally Posted by hill60
What happened is Apple respects content owners rights and licenses them accordingly.
The delay is caused by content owners who fear iTunes dominance and are trying to break away.
I wonder how long companies like spotify can hang on, they are in for a squeeze.
Are you saying that Google did not get those rights? If Apple has been trying to get the rights for a few years, and Google has got them, thats a huge coup for Google. Possibly Sony are playing a game here - give it to Google to get better terms from Apple. But still, it shows how the labels are not so scared of, or convinced with, Apple's superiority.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
N… no… you're confused.
How? Continued as both "do you know this" and "would that happen?"
So basically you recognize your fears are unfounded.
Name. One.
Because they are?
Maybe pay attention to the products they're releasing and you'll see.
1. Why do they need something that stupid?
2. What proof is there that they were ever going to make something that stupid?
Samsung is eating into Apple's profit share in the market, for sure. At this rate they will overtake this year. Possibly next quarter.
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Originally Posted by ThePixelDoc
Just my recurring thoughts re: Apple CEO:
I still think that the person most able to give that charismatic, zealous and visionary spark back to Apple, is Scott Forstall. His career road-map is and could further be deeply tied to parallel Steve Jobs. Could we possibly witness history repeating itself within one company some day?
I think he could be the guy, but is disliked. ( Jobs would have been disliked had he come up through the ranks, though).
Apparantly its either Ive or Fortsall.
I suppose I should work on this in some specific way. For now, a couple of sketchy thoughts:
How many textbooks fit into an iPad? Answer, a near infinite number, if it's connected to the Internet.
The kind of learning the connected iPad ecourages—holistic, associative, relational, dynamic, situational—are directly opposite to the kind of static and contained analytical learning that the printed book fosters. I should say "apposite," because the printed book and its built-in mandates are not going away. There will probably still be classes and classrooms for the near future, but the pressure of electronic learning is toward the Platonic academy model based on dialogue. Schools will become more integrative, organized around learning itself like Steiner schools, rather than by subjects.
This is basic McLuhan so far. What Apple beings to the table is deliberate focus on these very technology+liberal arts attributes of the very personal, very portable computer. There's no reason at all to believe that Tim Cook does not get this to the very bottom of his soul. If he'd stayed with Compaq and then HP, he might have stayed the spreadsheet genius he is reputed to be, but he hooked up with Steve Jobs and was chosen for his receptivity to the Apple messianic vision. If he didn't get the vision, he wouldn't have been chosen, simple as that. Or so I believe, having no reason to think otherwise.
They are going ahead with the new headquarters building, indicating they have at least a 25-year plan. They are continuing with Apple U., indicating they know that "the vision" is a thing that must be transmitted into the future. Tim Cook talks about preserving the "start-up" culture at Apple, indicating that he gets this very crucial human element to how innovation works. Notice he also talks about how if you have to have a Department of Innovation at your company, you've already lost your vision.
And his vision is global, probably much more in a practical way that was Steve Jobs's, because he has spent his career making supply alliances down to the foundry and machine shop level in China or wherever. He always talks about the number of stores (Apple schools, really, he says) that are going to be opened outside the U.S. with pride, and he loves talking about the mother of all markets that is China. He thinks big, like in units of $10 billion ("we invested a pair of tens over the last two years"), and he thinks so seriously about the specifics of the future that he is "doubling down" on secrecy.
So it's no wonder that people don't see the vision of Tim Cook. If he says anything about the future, people will freak out as they contemplate a world dominated by Apple. They will miss the point. Apple is deliberately making only the medium of communication, not the message, except for their sleaze filtering when it tries to pass through their stores. But I see no reason to disbelieve that Tim Cook has adopted Steve Jobs's mission to change the world for the better with the personal computer. He just can't talk about it.
No... I certainly do not believe that the board and/or Tim Cook are the same as before SJ came back to Apple. In fact, I unabashedly support both 100% currently, because there simply is no one better to replace any of them. Which I might add, just in the odd occurrence that TC would ever decide to step down on his own... I would never, ever call him a failure at Apple, or as "interrum CEO". I've stated that in more than a few posts here at AI.
However, I really don't see TC as the "ultimate" perfect CEO for Apple. It's too hard and would take too long to say, but the job is simply, "not him". He will never be an ass enough, brash enough, rhetorically snide, snarky and quick enough. He's too much of a Southern gentleman for the job and if he tried to be what he clearly is not, not only would he be uncomfortable, but I think watching it ourselves could be cringe-worthy to tell the truth. The media would eat the poor guy alive!
Now that Scott Forstall... that's another subject. You may want to check out his career path, watch some of his captivating presentations, and maybe read about his being a "difficult self-absorbed SOB" sometimes to deal with. You're staring at a young SJ in the making... and there are enough "geniuses" sprinkled throughout history with these vary same traits.
Enough of an explanation for ya? :smokey:
Jonny Ive would never take the job... and I bet he would even turn down a cool $1-Billion in doing so. It's not him either (see above) and he absolutely knows it. He's also far to passionate about designing things than to put up with the day-to-day BS a CEO must, taking him away from his very own version of heaven on earth: his "workshop". Which is probably and by all accounts is, an engineer's and industrial designer's wet-dream!!!
Nailed it Flaneur! All of the points mentioned above is why I truly do like Tim Cook, and even if my little foray into Crystal-Balling sees a Scott Forstall somewhere lurking... I would never EVER want to see Tim Cook leave Apple for any other company!
You summed up superbly the internal Tim Cook that real Apple "Insiders" and employees see. Unfortunately, I'm making excuses and trying to explain why externally, the world-facing Tim Cook is catching so much flak and BS... and sympathetic to that, would like to see the guy out of the cross-fire. Scot t Forstall could take it I'm sure... and give it back too. Someone in this thread pointedly said," It's as if Apple is continually being punched in the gut, and decides... or can't... fight back". We all know how that's perceived in America, actually the world over, as being a "softy", not manly, whatever. Rarely do we consider it a strength. And regardless of whether the strength and resolve is still there... I really do hate watching someone get bullied and bashed around like this.
The CEO job today is nothing to really wish for, and you have to be a bit off your rocker to ever want to be one. My take on it anyway.
BTW: I recently read an article, can't find it (grrrr!) regarding online and collaborative schooling... even at Harvard these days. This will most definitely trickle all the way down the education ladder. I for one think it makes perfect logical sense... uhm... and cents. Teachers will certainly have to up their marketability. Not banging on teachers! Just saying!
Jobs was a visionary the whole time regardless of what was reported about him.
Cook is different from Jobs, why can't he just do his thing without all this fuss? He's actually been running things for years. Nope, this is partially Wall Street morons and partially something in development and he dares not reveal it.
I think that Cook has certain things planned. Remember his 'we are stepping on the gas' quote from when they renewed their entire product line in time for the holidays? It seemed almost like they were clearing the decks for something really big coming. However, there were manufacturing issues, not the least of which was finding alternates to Samsung. There were the precision bevels that were hard to do, screens, etc. I do wonder what is in the pipeline and when they can show us.
Anyways, Cook may be a lot better CEO for Apple than some of you might think, precisely because his style is different. He just can't talk about any of it for good reason.
Then your defiantly not a parent of one, 10 songs on iTunes a month or unlimited bands to listen to. We moved our daughter over to GrooveShark a long time ago and ended the 100+ dollars she was spending on iTunes a month. Trust me, any parent with a teenager in the house loves streaming music over pay by song.
I had a nice long reply I was working on, but my ancient, beat-up and overloaded iPad one crashed after four or five weighty paragraphs, and I lost the whole thing. I guess I'll have to blame Apple and its so-called supply-chain genius. /s
More later.
Of course people will quibble over whether everything Apple does is always better, but I do think that is their philosophy. It's not about littering up a spec or feature sheet or constantly pushing different iterations of product out (how many Samsung mobile phone models exist now?). If it takes Apple longer to get something right (at least what they believe is right), and someone else beats them to market, than so be it.
NO. He wasn't allowed or had the opportunity to do so. The same as Tim Cook has kept mum. It's adhering to the NDA and secrecy that Apple demands from ALL of it's workers, including the board.
Why are you trying to squeeze me into that shallow drawer of people that think that TC should be replaced? I have only said that I don't think we've seen the last of Scott Forstall in some kind of capacity at Apple. The capacity of CEO fitting other "historical and successful figure's" character traits quite well, from what we've seen of him.
Let's not forget: he was hand picked by SJ to make the move to Apple from Next... AND as the VP of iOS development. THE most important project of the last decade in all of tech. Are YOU doubting SJ and his decision? I'm not... and still have no reason to. In fact... I don't doubt any reason whatsoever that TC had for removing him either, and for letting him cool down and reevaluate what it is to be a leader at Apple... maybe in a far bigger role again some day.
Maybe I'm not as eloquent as Flaneur explaining it.. but I don't think my position in this matter is so hard to understand, nor to fathom "possibly" coming true... some... day. 8-)
It appears you need everything laid out for you in book form or a PowerPoint pres (I purposely use PP in your case)... and I'm sorry, I don't have the time to do that for ya.
Your last post was very good, and I agree with 100%.
As for a "NEW-Style CEO": as much as you and I would like this to be the case with Tim Cook and support him (like that really matters)... the rest of the world, which includes investors, adversaries, competitors, The Media AND customers past, present and future are not showing the guy a whole lot of respect these days. Absolutely NO reason for firing him, but cause for reassessing his role at Apple, and where he fits best in Apple's future. Actually... that's what we're doing here. It's the rest of the world that is the worry. Will they give the guy a real chance at success and or proving himself?
As I've said now often enough: WWDC is going to be the biggest jaw-dropping event in the history of Apple since the "MS doesn't have to lose for Apple to win" Macworld speech by SJ. I'm betting on "Jaw-Dropping Awesome", while other s are going the other route. We shall soon see....:smokey:
Read Walter Issacson's book. Scott Forstall was mentioned 3 times, never interviewed. Jony Ive got his own chapter with a comment from Steve about Jony being his spiritual partner at Apple and having more operational power than anyone else except Steve himself. Also Steve's wife saying Jony had a special status, that most people in Steve's life were replaceable but Jony wasn't. According to Adam Lashinsky's "Inside Apple" book the only Apple executives to attend Steve's burial service were Tim Cook, Jony Ive and Eddy Cue. Jony spoke at the private memorial service and the public service on Apple's campus. Also lets not forget that the first phone call Steve made on the iPhone was to Jony. Same thing with the first FaceTime call - he didn't call Scott, he called Jony (who he referred to as "one of my best friends in the whole world").
Now I'm not suggesting Ive should be CEO, far from it. But I'm not convinced Forstall was the man at Apple and will or needs to come back to save the day ala Steve in 1997. As Don Norman wrote last year, I think Cook is the head, Ive the heart and Schiller the voice of Apple. The wild card is Bob Mansfield who I think was brought back to work on some really cool stuff. And I've heard that he and Ive get on really well so the two of them together will probably be giving us some amazing shit next year (or maybe even this fall).