Samsung, Google to scale back giant screen sizes on new Android phones

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  • Reply 121 of 144
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member

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    Originally Posted by geekdad View Post


    No....they end up being free with a 2 year contract....kind of like you can get the IP5 in some places or the 4S.....


    Like BestBuy does here: http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/05/31/best-buy-launches-limited-time-trade-in-program-150-credit-for-iphone-4-or-4s-free-iphone-5


    So does Apple count that free IP5 as a sale? Or asume it was a sale because they shipped it to a retailer?


    Do those traded in IP4 or IP4s get removed from the sales figures for Apple?



     


    Want a Galaxy S2 for $299?


     


    An iPhone activates in iTunes, Apple has a record of that sale, hence there is no requirement for a receipt when taking an iPhone back to an Apple store under warranty.


     


    Second hand goods are second hand goods, why would anyone count them as new sales?

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  • Reply 122 of 144
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,771member
    hill60 wrote: »
    So the fifty or so S4's in a cupboard at work are sold or shipped?

    The recalls of unsold stock when handsets go end of life?

    Such as the S3's that no-one wants now?

    Are they sold or shipped?

    Did a reseller, carrier or anyone else pay for them? Then they were sold. It's really simple.
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  • Reply 123 of 144
    geekdadgeekdad Posts: 1,131member

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    Want a Galaxy S2 for $299?


     


    An iPhone activates in iTunes, Apple has a record of that sale, hence there is no requirement for a receipt when taking an iPhone back to an Apple store under warranty.


     


    Second hand goods are second hand goods, why would anyone count them as new sales?



    no...not new...they were just traded in.....so do they count as a minus in reporting IP4s sales?


    I don't think anyone mentioned the S2...but $299 with a 2 year contract? What a ripoff.....


    So if I do a factory reset on my IP5...then activate it in iTunes....does that count as a sale?

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  • Reply 124 of 144
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member

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    The Galaxy S4 Active, with 5" screen, was announced today.  Samsung flip flops on their smaller screen strategy and reverts to large screens!



     


    How does that fit in with phones like these?


     


    573 models larger than 4.2"


     


    3638 models smaller than 4.2"

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  • Reply 125 of 144
    geekdadgeekdad Posts: 1,131member

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    How does that fit in with phones like these...


     


    ...ooh, gingerbread!



    you just proved our sales versus shipped point......these phone were sold to a retailer....then ened up on the link you posted.....


    http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=5279&idPhone2=4883

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  • Reply 126 of 144
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member

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    you just proved our sales versus shipped point......these phone were sold to a retailer....then ened up on the link you posted.....


    http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=5279&idPhone2=4883



     


    That site reviews phones it has nothing to do with sales or shipments.

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  • Reply 127 of 144
    geekdadgeekdad Posts: 1,131member

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    That site reviews phones it has nothing to do with sales or shipments.



    yes...you are right I mis understood! image Sorry....

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  • Reply 128 of 144
    wakefinancewakefinance Posts: 855member
    hill60 wrote: »
    Try doing $300 damage by putting one of these things in the back pocket of a tight pair of jeans and sitting down.

    At least HTC has a warning about cracking the screen, maybe Samsung should too.

    I was talking about my front (side) pockets, but you could put the 7 in your back pocket too. I wouldn't advise sitting on any electronic devices.
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  • Reply 129 of 144
    anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 7,123member

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    If I understand your post correctly, you are saying that a wider battery can more than compensate for the increased power consumption of a correspondingly larger display. But if that's the case, how does one explain Tim Cook's remark (quoted from the original article) that "Customers are clearly looking at the size," he said, "but they also look at things like...battery life...."? 



     


    I don't think there's anything to explain there. His statement speaks for itself, but it doesn't contradict anything I said.

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  • Reply 130 of 144
    anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 7,123member

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    Do you have sources for that? Or is that just your opinion? 



     


     


    Spending too much time on Wikipedia? 


     


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    Sales of the Samsung Galaxy S4 well over 10 million now is not because people WANT a larger screen on their phones but because.....they had no other choice? What consumes the most power on a smartphone? The display does....... But by your statement. Android phone makers could not produce enough power for the small screen phones. So to make up for this they made the biggest power drain on the battery bigger? They made bigger screens to hide the bigger battery? But then wouldn't the problem then scale up as well?


    Edit: BTW.....i had the HTC EVO 4G on Sprint when it came out in 2010. It had terrible battery life and only last about 4 hours of normal use for me. My Galaxy S4 with a 5 inch screen last a little over 24 hours of normal use for me.....




     


    Your "Edit" is entirely irrelevant, but as for the rest of your comments, you might consider that as a battery increases in size it increases in volume but as screens get larger they effectively increase only in surface area: one increases in 3 dimensions, the other only in 2.

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  • Reply 131 of 144
    anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 7,123member

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    Did a reseller, carrier or anyone else pay for them? Then they were sold. It's really simple.


     


    Did they get their money back when they returned them? Then they were shipped. It really is simple.

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  • Reply 132 of 144
    macrulezmacrulez Posts: 2,455member

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    Did they get their money back when they returned them? Then they were shipped. It really is simple.





    "So the fifty or so S4's in a cupboard at work are sold or shipped?"

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  • Reply 133 of 144
    d4njvrzfd4njvrzf Posts: 797member

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    I don't think there's anything to explain there. His statement speaks for itself, but it doesn't contradict anything I said.



    You said that battery life will improve as long as the screen and the battery grow wider together. He suggested that using a wider display (obviously in a wider body) would penalize battery life. Perhaps he was implying that a larger device would come with the same battery capacity as the current iphone.

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  • Reply 134 of 144
    d4njvrzfd4njvrzf Posts: 797member

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    ...you might consider that as a battery increases in size it increases in volume but as screens get larger they effectively increase only in surface area: one increases in 3 dimensions, the other only in 2.



    If you make the battery wider but not thicker, you increase the battery size in only two dimensions as well.

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  • Reply 135 of 144
    kdarlingkdarling Posts: 1,640member

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    Originally Posted by anonymouse View Post


    Did they get their money back when they returned them? Then they were shipped. It really is simple.



     


    First off, everyone is using the wrong terms.  Just plain "sold" and "shipped" are almost always the same thing in articles... because both refer mostly to retailers.  


     


    What some of you really mean to talk about, are "sell-through" (sold to end users) versus "sell-in" (sold to retailers).   At the least, please specify "end user sales" to be clear, if that's what you're referring to.


     


     


    See above.  Sold or shipped to the retailer = usually same thing.   However, they have not been sold through to an end user.


     


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    Interestingly, both Apple and Samsung count a shipment as a sale.  (Apple at the point of shipment, Samsung when it arrives.)  That's the revenue and numbers that they brag about.  Both say they account for returns separately in their financials.


     


    On the other hand, RIM's public filing says that they don't count a device that's been shipped, unless they are also pretty positive that it won't be returned and that they will see revenue for it... plus they even reduce the revenue by any promotions.  So they seem the most forthright of all in their reporting.

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  • Reply 136 of 144
    runbuhrunbuh Posts: 315member

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    How does that fit in with phones like these?


     


    573 models larger than 4.2"


     


    3638 models smaller than 4.2"



    I see lots of phones like the Nokia Lumia (Windows) phones in the list of 3768 phones smaller than 4.2",  What point are you trying to make with that link that is relevant to Samsung moving to smaller screens?  How many new (not rebranded/recolored) Samsung Android phones announced in the last six months have screens smaller than 4.2" inches?  That should tell us more about their direction with screen size.

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  • Reply 137 of 144
    kdarlingkdarling Posts: 1,640member

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    How does that fit in with phones like these?


    573 models larger than 4.2"


    3638 models smaller than 4.2"



     


    What was your search criteria?   Was it for all smartphones ever made?


     


    I got, for all smartphones... currently available... ~300 over 4.2", versus ~750 for smaller.  That means 40% were the larger screen.


     


    For all Android smartphones... currently available, it was 280 to 580.  That's 50% larger screen.   If you chose 4" instead, it jumps to 75% being that size or larger.

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  • Reply 138 of 144
    kdarlingkdarling Posts: 1,640member

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    The fact that Samsung had to bring out a Galaxy S4 Mini shows that people felt the S4 was too large. 



     


    If that was true, Samsung would've made an equivalent of the S4 with a smaller screen.


     


    But they didn't.  Samsung is simply doing what they've done every year since early 2011... sell a phone with lower specs and price that they call the "Mini".


    That's why this article isn't news at all.  The author either didn't know about this history, or ignored it.

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  • Reply 139 of 144
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member
    runbuh wrote: »
    I see lots of phones like the Nokia Lumia (Windows) phones in the list of 3768 phones smaller than 4.2",  What point are you trying to make with that link that is relevant to Samsung moving to smaller screens?  How many new (not rebranded/recolored) Samsung Android phones announced in the last six months have screens smaller than 4.2" inches?  That should tell us more about their direction with screen size.

    It was the category above the top selling smartphone, the 4" iPhone.

    Too bad there are no specific numbers for which Android phones are making up the hundreds of millions being sold.

    It would stop us going round in circles.
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  • Reply 140 of 144
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member
    runbuh wrote: »
    I see lots of phones like the Nokia Lumia (Windows) phones in the list of 3768 phones smaller than 4.2",  What point are you trying to make with that link that is relevant to Samsung moving to smaller screens?  How many new (not rebranded/recolored) Samsung Android phones announced in the last six months have screens smaller than 4.2" inches?  That should tell us more about their direction with screen size.

    It was the category above the top selling smartphone, the 4" iPhone.

    Too bad there are no specific numbers for which Android phones are making up the hundreds of millions being sold.

    It would stop us going round in circles.
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