And so affordable too. Let me dig around my bank account for another $60 to buy a cable that attaches to my $400 500 gig hard drive.
Why would you plug in a single HDD into TB? What benefit would that afford?
How about you buy an Apple Thunderbolt Display and plug via USB the RAIDed Time Machine backup into the back of the display, along with all other connections you may have. How can USB3.0 compete with that?
I have a 27" iMac. Where do I get 2560x1440 content or is that display a waste?
I have an iPad 3. Where do I get 2048x1536 content or is that display a waste?
I have and iPhone 5. Where do I get 1136x640 content or is that display a waste?
Why would you plug in a single HDD into TB? What benefit would that afford?
How about you buy an Apple Thunderbolt Display and plug via USB the RAIDed Time Machine backup into the back of the display, along with all other connections you may have. How can USB3.0 compete with that?
He does have a point about the cables being a rip off. That only adds to the chances of this standard not being more broadly used.
I have a 27" iMac. Where do I get 2560x1440 content or is that display a waste?
I have an iPad 3. Where do I get 2048x1536 content or is that display a waste?
He wants a 4K TV. That's a different matter altogether.
I have and iPhone 5. Where do I get 1136x640 content or is that display a waste?
It discusses shooting, editing and distributing the movie "The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo".
It is a fun and informative view!
At about 7 minutes in, Michael discusses how the video was shot in 5K and 4K, then edited and distributed entirely in 4K.
Later, Michael discusses the fact that 5K/4K provides advantages never before possible with digital editing:
-- they can subsample a smaller portion of the video for actual use
-- they can separately edit an actor's performance in one take and stitch it together with another actor from a different take
-- they can make videos with 5K/4K that aren't otherwise possible.
Anyway, it makes the case for this newer/higher-definition content... A very informative and enjoyable 30 minutes.
You wrote, "The rapid adoption of DVI was because it filled a need for the gaming community. They wanted a faster video throughput. The same environment does not exist for TB."
really? You brought up DVI...so i explained it to you. Do the same conditions that lead to the DVI adoption exist now for Macs? Can you switch video cards from a DB9 video card to a DVI video card on a Mac to get better FPS for the newest games that were flooding the market at the TIME when the DVI was released?
Are there TB video cards for Macs that will connect to a TB monitor? When was the last time you switched video cards on your Mac to gain better video throughput?
You brought up DVI and TB together and compared them.....I never did....til now to show you...they are not the same and are not used the same way.
This probably means that the new Mac Pro won't be released until the fall. If rumors about the Mac Pro not being internally upgradable are true it will have to rely on external components such as hard drives.
He does have a point about the cables being a rip off. That only adds to the chances of this standard not being more broadly used.
1) They are more expensive than other cables and adapters, but they are a rip off? You do realize the cables are chipped, right? If you are just going to plug in a 2.5" HDD it's not Intel or Apple's fault if you foolishly buy a TB drive when a USB drive would be just as fast.
2) Here's mono price with adapters and cables that will plug into your TB port and output video to various display signaling. Not unreasonable prices, but certainly higher than other options on their site.
He wants a 4K TV. That's a different matter altogether.
What the hell are you talking about?
1) You're like the guy at HP who turned down Wozniak's idea for a personal computer because he couldn't see the bigger picture. The TV is just a monitor. The Apple TV is just an iPod for your living room. In other words, it's a computer. I would love to have a 70" 4K in my living room with Apple TV apps to use.
2) Surely you realize that people buy 1080p TVs to use with their crappy cable company's 720p content and upscaled DVDs. Why aren't they just buying 720p TVs since they aren't getting 1080p content. If you want there to be millions of movies and TV shows on some mythical Blu-ray Xtreme format before there are any monitors that can support it then you're doing it backwards.
This probably means that the new Mac Pro won't be released until the fall. If rumors about the Mac Pro not being internally upgradable are true it will have to rely on external components such as hard drives.
Where did you hear those rumors? I highly doubt that.
4K will be successful because it isn't a gimmick. It's yet another meaningful improvement in experience.
Do you need glasses to view 4K? That in itself secures it as a success.
If the content and the hardware cost the same and 4K content was widely available I'd agree with you, but neither of those things will be true for 10 years or so.
really? You brought up DVI...so i explained it to you. Do the same conditions that lead to the DVI adoption exist now for Macs? Can you switch video cards from a DB9 video card to a DVI video card on a Mac to get better FPS for the newest games that were flooding the market at the TIME when the DVI was released?
Are there TB video cards for Macs that will connect to a TB monitor? When was the last time you switched video cards on your Mac to gain better video throughput?
You brought up DVI and TB together and compared them.....I never did....til now to show you...they are not the same and are not used the same way.
1) I brought up various uses for the TB port which you continually want to deny are viable. Are you forgetting that TB is protocol independent? This is a great technology for anything other than pedestrian use.
2) I may have brought it up first (no idea) but as I've shown you also brought it up, which you denied doing.
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Why would you plug in a single HDD into TB? What benefit would that afford?
How about you buy an Apple Thunderbolt Display and plug via USB the RAIDed Time Machine backup into the back of the display, along with all other connections you may have. How can USB3.0 compete with that?
I have a 27" iMac. Where do I get 2560x1440 content or is that display a waste?
I have an iPad 3. Where do I get 2048x1536 content or is that display a waste?
I have and iPhone 5. Where do I get 1136x640 content or is that display a waste?
He does have a point about the cables being a rip off. That only adds to the chances of this standard not being more broadly used.
Originally Posted by Ireland
Where you going to get 4K content?
"Hey, Ted, nobody has 4K TVs; why should we waste our time making content for 'em?"
"You're right, Bill."
"I'd buy a 4K TV, but there's no content for it."
"How do you imagine they judge willingness to create content? It's just like getting rid of Flash."
"But… no content!"
He wants a 4K TV. That's a different matter altogether.
What the hell are you talking about? 640p?
I don't know what the consumer requirement for retina or 4K displays are -- but in the video editing and publishing industry 4K is becoming the norm.
Here's a video preso by Michael Cioni:
http://www.fcp.co/final-cut-pro/news/732-michael-cioni-talks-4k-workflow-and-fcp-proxies-for-the-girl-with-the-dragon-tattoo
It discusses shooting, editing and distributing the movie "The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo".
It is a fun and informative view!
At about 7 minutes in, Michael discusses how the video was shot in 5K and 4K, then edited and distributed entirely in 4K.
Later, Michael discusses the fact that 5K/4K provides advantages never before possible with digital editing:
-- they can subsample a smaller portion of the video for actual use
-- they can separately edit an actor's performance in one take and stitch it together with another actor from a different take
-- they can make videos with 5K/4K that aren't otherwise possible.
Anyway, it makes the case for this newer/higher-definition content... A very informative and enjoyable 30 minutes.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
Why would you plug in a single HDD into TB? What benefit would that afford?
Exactly. And conversely, as soon as you make a RAID0 out of 2 HDs, watch USB3 go crying home to mama.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
You wrote, "The rapid adoption of DVI was because it filled a need for the gaming community. They wanted a faster video throughput. The same environment does not exist for TB."
really? You brought up DVI...so i explained it to you. Do the same conditions that lead to the DVI adoption exist now for Macs? Can you switch video cards from a DB9 video card to a DVI video card on a Mac to get better FPS for the newest games that were flooding the market at the TIME when the DVI was released?
Are there TB video cards for Macs that will connect to a TB monitor? When was the last time you switched video cards on your Mac to gain better video throughput?
You brought up DVI and TB together and compared them.....I never did....til now to show you...they are not the same and are not used the same way.
4K TVs will be successful just because 3D was something of a flop and now the TV makers need a new reason to make us upgrade.
4K TVs be successful because 3D was a flop, or, 4K TVs will be a flop because 3D was a flop?
Originally Posted by Ireland
4K TVs be successful because 3D was a flop? Or, 4K TV will be a flop because 3D was a flop?
4K will be successful because it isn't a gimmick. It's yet another meaningful improvement in experience.
Do you need glasses to view 4K? That in itself secures it as a success.
1) They are more expensive than other cables and adapters, but they are a rip off? You do realize the cables are chipped, right? If you are just going to plug in a 2.5" HDD it's not Intel or Apple's fault if you foolishly buy a TB drive when a USB drive would be just as fast.
2) Here's mono price with adapters and cables that will plug into your TB port and output video to various display signaling. Not unreasonable prices, but certainly higher than other options on their site.
1) You're like the guy at HP who turned down Wozniak's idea for a personal computer because he couldn't see the bigger picture. The TV is just a monitor. The Apple TV is just an iPod for your living room. In other words, it's a computer. I would love to have a 70" 4K in my living room with Apple TV apps to use.
2) Surely you realize that people buy 1080p TVs to use with their crappy cable company's 720p content and upscaled DVDs. Why aren't they just buying 720p TVs since they aren't getting 1080p content. If you want there to be millions of movies and TV shows on some mythical Blu-ray Xtreme format before there are any monitors that can support it then you're doing it backwards.
Where did you hear those rumors? I highly doubt that.
If the content and the hardware cost the same and 4K content was widely available I'd agree with you, but neither of those things will be true for 10 years or so.
From CNet
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57587367-37/apples-new-mac-pro-said-to-ditch-expansions-arrive-this-fall/?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=
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Originally Posted by Ireland
Where did you hear those rumors? I highly doubt that.
1) I brought up various uses for the TB port which you continually want to deny are viable. Are you forgetting that TB is protocol independent? This is a great technology for anything other than pedestrian use.
2) I may have brought it up first (no idea) but as I've shown you also brought it up, which you denied doing.
WTF?
Not being expandable and not being internally upgradable are two different things. And "CNET News" is an oxymoron.
Not being expandable and not being internally upgradable are two different things. And "CNET News" is an oxymoron.