How is it offensive? Many of the cats that were used for names of prior Mac OS 10 operating systems cannot even be found in the United States, let alone in California.
I'm offended! /s
People these days love to be offended. It's the disease of the age. People no longer have a critical reasoning faculty, they have a delicate sensibility which is alert for signs of anything offensive. And when anything does offend them they give off the sound of a car alarm, not rational comment.
The name 'Mavericks' reminds me of Roger Moore, James Garner on the old television show — nothing more. I don't like it and I don't hate it. I find it an odd choice, but so what?
I should note Feynman that my comment is in support of you, not in criticism. Just in case you take offence…
The name 'Mavericks' reminds me of Roger Moore, James Garner on the old television show — nothing more. I don't like it and I don't hate it. I find it an odd choice, but so what?
when they get to the Australian OS X, maybe it will be called "Bondi Beach"...
Man, they screwed up a lot with names this time. Craig called it Mountain Lion on stage, Phil called Thunderbolt 2 "FireWire 2"… twice in a row…
I must give them major props... Yeah, they made a few slips, but they both covered a great deal of content with a few minor mistakes. If I were up there in front of 6,000 people talking, I might simply vomit all over myself. Unless you are perfect on stage in-front of 6,000 people + live video streaming to who knows how many, forgive the minor mistakes.
... Still can't believe multiple screens took this long to fix (I don't use it, but I can only imagine how frustrating that must have been for others).
The thing about that I find the most interesting is that for many years Apple strenuously argued that it wasn't broken and that they had purposely designed it with the top bar and dock only on the main screen. I find that (previous) argument rather more compelling than the recent reversal as I'm sure do many others.
It's the same with a lot of things they announced in both iOS and OS X today also. Reversals of previously held "philosophical" positions, in favour of "what the rabble want."
I'm not so sure I like this new Apple.
I think you may misinterpret their past conviction on the matter. In general, they will only do things when they come up with a design that they believe is better and overcomes the challenge sufficiently. Having the menu and dock on the main screen is very limiting. This would be especially true running 3 4K displays on the MacPro. That is allot of pixels to cover to get back to your dock. It also means you would only be able to use one screen for work where you need access to menus.
Summoning the dock to a different display looks to solve a couple problems. It allows you to launch apps on whatever screen you are on without going back to the main screen. It isn't possible to do that today as you must launch the app and moving it or take it full screen. It also keeps to the original principal and doesn't simply duplicate the doc to the other screens as it was only on one screen at a time during the demo.
To me, the easy decision was duplicating the menu bar since it has utility to every screen. I suspect this was not done before simply due to the overhaul it likely required to the windowing system for support. Either way, these look like solid updates and I cannot wait to use them.
I saw that I was hoping for some insight on 10.9. I'm starting to think that if your system will run 10.8 it'll run 10.9. Not that I have too many complaints now but I'm hoping there are improvements to system performance the way Snow Leopard improve Leopard.
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Originally Posted by Feynman
How is it offensive? Many of the cats that were used for names of prior Mac OS 10 operating systems cannot even be found in the United States, let alone in California.
I'm offended! /s
I thought the same thing last night long after my original response. There are no native Lions (thankfully) in North America, let alone California.
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Originally Posted by vaporland
when they get to the Australian OS X, maybe it will be called "Bondi Beach"...
And Craig said that this would last them the next ten years too, so we can reasonably expect that each new version of OS X will be named after some California hipster hangout that the rest of the world isn't even aware of. I find this whole idea kind of offensive as I'm sure everyone outside of the USA will in time.
Something much more generic, that has resonance to more than just the folks at Apple and the hipsters of California would be more appropriate.
Considering Mac's are much more popular in the US than the rest of the world, I don't think it's a big deal. Further, it's just the OS nickname.
And I don't associate Mavericks with hipsters. Not everything in California revolves around hipsters.
By any measure, Mavericks is a lame name. In fact, the best other recent example of a great brand coming up with ridiculous name was Ferrari calling its latest supercar the LaFerrari. Ferrari or Apple, both products will sell well regardless of name. The real point is that it doesn't matter. What WWDC 2013 tells me is that iOS and OSX are on a course for total convergence. It's what they call the combined operating system that matters.
What's wrong with naming successive OS versions after US States, or US presidents, or after great innovators who changed the world through their ideas? Or after leading world cities? If it has to be animals, then why not birds of prey or just birds?
I like the new look and feel and am sure that it will become even better as Jony Ive settles into this new role. The interface already looks so much more mature, cleaner and user friendly than before. I am so glad that Joshua Topolosky at the Verge dissed it; if he'd liked it, then Apple would have been doing something wrong (Shock of the new, dude! Get over it!)
I think the name is fine. My company as already used it a lot in discussion/planning over the last 24 hours and it flows nicely. No one has even mentioned the name Mavericks as anything but sensible. Of course, half my company is based in CA...
I think the enhancements both on the surface and under the hood are really, really great. Strangely I seemed to get back about 10 GB of space on my SSD by installing it.
Definitely a lot of bugs, but nothing unusual for a beta 1. Safari has some issues with Flash.
Interesting how the Shared Links in Safari shows links from your friends/acquaintances fromTwitter and LinkedIn, but not Facebook. I wonder if LinkedIn integration is coming to anything else, and if Facebook is being shut out of anything else.
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One feature I've always wanted to see in Mac OS X is to automatically mount my MacBook Pro drive in the Finder when I plug it in.
Just to exchange files, like when it sees my camera or USB thumb drive.
Having to reboot into TDM is annoying. I'm sure there's a valid reason they don't allow this, but it would make life easier.
AirDrop is quite fast for transferring files but you can also plug in a gigabit ethernet cable and just mount the drive that way without rebooting.
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Originally Posted by Feynman
How is it offensive? Many of the cats that were used for names of prior Mac OS 10 operating systems cannot even be found in the United States, let alone in California.
I'm offended! /s
People these days love to be offended. It's the disease of the age. People no longer have a critical reasoning faculty, they have a delicate sensibility which is alert for signs of anything offensive. And when anything does offend them they give off the sound of a car alarm, not rational comment.
The name 'Mavericks' reminds me of Roger Moore, James Garner on the old television show — nothing more. I don't like it and I don't hate it. I find it an odd choice, but so what?
I should note Feynman that my comment is in support of you, not in criticism. Just in case you take offence…
better late than never. it does seem like the software atrophy that gave us OS X Vista (er) Lion is receding and a new era is coming.
Of course, they didn't mention a killswitch for the NSA monitoring...
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The name 'Mavericks' reminds me of Roger Moore, James Garner on the old television show — nothing more. I don't like it and I don't hate it. I find it an odd choice, but so what?
when they get to the Australian OS X, maybe it will be called "Bondi Beach"...
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Originally Posted by vaporland
when they get to the Australian OS X, maybe it will be called "Bondi Beach"...
Well, we've already had Bondi Blue iMac's, back in the day. That was enough for we jingoists.
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Originally Posted by vaporland
menu bars on every monitor! wow - that's innovation! Windows had this since, what, 1995?
better late than never. it does seem like the software atrophy that gave us OS X Vista (er) Lion is receding and a new era is coming.
Of course, they didn't mention a killswitch for the NSA monitoring...
I like how you put down a Mac OS by calling it a Microsoft OS.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Man, they screwed up a lot with names this time. Craig called it Mountain Lion on stage, Phil called Thunderbolt 2 "FireWire 2"… twice in a row…
I must give them major props... Yeah, they made a few slips, but they both covered a great deal of content with a few minor mistakes. If I were up there in front of 6,000 people talking, I might simply vomit all over myself. Unless you are perfect on stage in-front of 6,000 people + live video streaming to who knows how many, forgive the minor mistakes.
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Originally Posted by Andysol
... Still can't believe multiple screens took this long to fix (I don't use it, but I can only imagine how frustrating that must have been for others).
The thing about that I find the most interesting is that for many years Apple strenuously argued that it wasn't broken and that they had purposely designed it with the top bar and dock only on the main screen. I find that (previous) argument rather more compelling than the recent reversal as I'm sure do many others.
It's the same with a lot of things they announced in both iOS and OS X today also. Reversals of previously held "philosophical" positions, in favour of "what the rabble want."
I'm not so sure I like this new Apple.
I think you may misinterpret their past conviction on the matter. In general, they will only do things when they come up with a design that they believe is better and overcomes the challenge sufficiently. Having the menu and dock on the main screen is very limiting. This would be especially true running 3 4K displays on the MacPro. That is allot of pixels to cover to get back to your dock. It also means you would only be able to use one screen for work where you need access to menus.
Summoning the dock to a different display looks to solve a couple problems. It allows you to launch apps on whatever screen you are on without going back to the main screen. It isn't possible to do that today as you must launch the app and moving it or take it full screen. It also keeps to the original principal and doesn't simply duplicate the doc to the other screens as it was only on one screen at a time during the demo.
To me, the easy decision was duplicating the menu bar since it has utility to every screen. I suspect this was not done before simply due to the overhaul it likely required to the windowing system for support. Either way, these look like solid updates and I cannot wait to use them.
I think "Mavericks" was named in tribute to Steve Jobs. You can't name it 10.9 "Crazy Ones", and pictures of the surf looks pretty darn cool too
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Originally Posted by TogetherWeStand
Just call it OS X 10.9 then?
Said It will be for
iPhone 4 (so 4, 4S, 5 onwards)
5th gen iPod touch, (not previous 3.5" gen's)
iPad 2 onwards (I think)
Ipad mini onwards
I saw that I was hoping for some insight on 10.9. I'm starting to think that if your system will run 10.8 it'll run 10.9. Not that I have too many complaints now but I'm hoping there are improvements to system performance the way Snow Leopard improve Leopard.
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Originally Posted by Feynman
How is it offensive? Many of the cats that were used for names of prior Mac OS 10 operating systems cannot even be found in the United States, let alone in California.
I'm offended! /s
I thought the same thing last night long after my original response. There are no native Lions (thankfully) in North America, let alone California.
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Originally Posted by vaporland
when they get to the Australian OS X, maybe it will be called "Bondi Beach"...
Hey you took my line! :-)
Considering Mac's are much more popular in the US than the rest of the world, I don't think it's a big deal. Further, it's just the OS nickname.
And I don't associate Mavericks with hipsters. Not everything in California revolves around hipsters.
By any measure, Mavericks is a lame name. In fact, the best other recent example of a great brand coming up with ridiculous name was Ferrari calling its latest supercar the LaFerrari. Ferrari or Apple, both products will sell well regardless of name. The real point is that it doesn't matter. What WWDC 2013 tells me is that iOS and OSX are on a course for total convergence. It's what they call the combined operating system that matters.
What's wrong with naming successive OS versions after US States, or US presidents, or after great innovators who changed the world through their ideas? Or after leading world cities? If it has to be animals, then why not birds of prey or just birds?
I like the new look and feel and am sure that it will become even better as Jony Ive settles into this new role. The interface already looks so much more mature, cleaner and user friendly than before. I am so glad that Joshua Topolosky at the Verge dissed it; if he'd liked it, then Apple would have been doing something wrong (Shock of the new, dude! Get over it!)
Thanks!!!! I didn't know I was a hipster !!!!! You made my day.
I think the enhancements both on the surface and under the hood are really, really great. Strangely I seemed to get back about 10 GB of space on my SSD by installing it.
Definitely a lot of bugs, but nothing unusual for a beta 1. Safari has some issues with Flash.
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Originally Posted by Marvin
AirDrop is quite fast for transferring files but you can also plug in a gigabit ethernet cable and just mount the drive that way without rebooting.
Good point. AirDrop is one of those features I never got into because my MacBook Pro was just outside the supported window. I'll try it.
I avoid Ethernet because I'm on a shared cable connection and prefer to keep File Sharing disabled for security reasons.
Originally Posted by pmz
Safari has some issues with Flash.
Flash has some issues with Flash.
Everybody has issues with Flash.
Interesting how the Shared Links in Safari shows links from your friends/acquaintances fromTwitter and LinkedIn, but not Facebook. I wonder if LinkedIn integration is coming to anything else, and if Facebook is being shut out of anything else.