Yes, really do some research. But I guess if you don't like the word flourish, you could look it up as it is quite appropriate for the state of the hackintosh community.
Exactly. Which is why the hackintosh community flourishes. I love OSX but hate the over priced HW apple tries to drive down our throats.
Well, Apple would have to charge lots of money for the OS if they were to sell it the same way Microsoft sells it. Do you want that? Plus no support? A very small number of geeks would, but the majority doesn't.
Apple makes their product the way they do and they charge what they charge so they can stay in business. In case you haven't noticed, IBM, Compaq sold off their PC businesses because they couldn't make any profit. HP is looking to dump their PC business and Dell has probably considered doing the same thing. The PC clone business has little to no profits and a company cannot survive with a decent return on investment. Lenovo is barely making a profit as well.
These guys are working on only a couple of percent net profits when their shareholders wants considerably more.
You can't have high quality at a low cost. Those two paradigms can't exist together. You want quality? It costs money. You want a company that will stick around? They have to make a decent profit to reinvest in hiring people and spending more money in R&D.
The Hackintosh community isn't really flourishing from a standpoint that anyone is really making any decent money. It's categorized as illegal clone DIY consumers that act like they know what they are doing.
I think what Apple should have done is taken at least one or two well known, well connected people from the Audio Recording industry, Video Production Industry, Animation Studios, Architects, Professional Photographers, etc for each of the various markets they are going after to help them with figuring out what configurations, etc. and to help with the R&D of the product design. If you can please these people, then you'll have a winner on your hands.
I'm sure there are plenty of valid reasons why they didn't have PCI slots (because there are less requirements for them), only one CPU vs two, no hard drives cages, no optical and a form factor that looks like some strange time capsule. I'm sure some people won't mind the things it doesn't have, some can get what they need with third party and some will just limp along with what they have writing hate mail to Apple. I hope Apple has a backup design.
This kind of reminds me of the cylinder version of the Cube they came out with.
One one thousandth of one percent of the entire computer industry is not "flourishing".
Not in the freaking slightest.
Fucking retard, stick your head in the sand, I don't care. That said I WILL allways be able to build a faster PC to run OSX for less $$ than you if you so choose to pay for the pretty shiny designs they produce....
In reality, Mac Pro server rooms will be interesting to watch.
The shelving will be 7" wide, and the machines placed with the back panel facing outward. I imagine the shelves will have to slide out to swap components.
On the other hand, the power supply is internal, which is a significant problem for server farms.
I really did think that the new Pro would have been more rack-friendly, given that the Xserve was discontinued.
Not being easily rack mounted or even put on a serve cabinet shelf is a big shortcoming. As for the power supply these could simply be seen as compute modules that get swapped out whole. In some cases it actually makes more sense to be able to quickly swap the whole machine.
Of course I remember the O2. Together with my MacBook Air, they're the best computers I owned (for different reasons, though: the O2 because of having IRIX on a small form factor, while being able to use up to 1GB of textures in hardware accelerated OpenGL (because of UMA), and I also loved its blue box. I did a lot of very useful stuff with that machine. And the MacBook Air allows me to have almost desktop features with the weight close to an iPad. I also owned more computers, of course, but these two are the best I ever used.
But the new Mac Pro looks promising... It has the potential of becoming my #1 favorite :-)
When i first saw the O2, I thought it came right out of a Smurf Theme park. I thought the GUI was kind of cool in some respects. SGi did have a few strange designs back then.
Well, Apple would have to charge lots of money for the OS if they were to sell it the same way Microsoft sells it. Do you want that? Plus no support? A very small number of geeks would, but the majority doesn't.
Apple makes their product the way they do and they charge what they charge so they can stay in business. In case you haven't noticed, IBM, Compaq sold off their PC businesses because they couldn't make any profit. HP is looking to dump their PC business and Dell has probably considered doing the same thing. The PC clone business has little to no profits and a company cannot survive with a decent return on investment. Lenovo is barely making a profit as well.
These guys are working on only a couple of percent net profits when their shareholders wants considerably more.
You can't have high quality at a low cost. Those two paradigms can't exist together. You want quality? It costs money. You want a company that will stick around? They have to make a decent profit to reinvest in hiring people and spending more money in R&D.
The Hackintosh community isn't really flourishing from a standpoint that anyone is really making any decent money. It's categorized as illegal clone DIY consumers that act like they know what they are doing.
I think what Apple should have done is taken at least one or two well known, well connected people from the Audio Recording industry, Video Production Industry, Animation Studios, Architects, Professional Photographers, etc for each of the various markets they are going after to help them with figuring out what configurations, etc. and to help with the R&D of the product design. If you can please these people, then you'll have a winner on your hands.
I'm sure there are plenty of valid reasons why they didn't have PCI slots (because there are less requirements for them), only one CPU vs two, no hard drives cages, no optical and a form factor that looks like some strange time capsule. I'm sure some people won't mind the things it doesn't have, some can get what they need with third party and some will just limp along with what they have writing hate mail to Apple. I hope Apple has a backup design.
This kind of reminds me of the cylinder version of the Cube they came out with.
As far as hackintosh community, I'm not talking about anyone making any money, just being able to run OSX on much cheaper self built systems. And yes, even if Apple charged what MS does for Windows I would pay it as it is just that much better, their hardware, not so much.
Yes, really do some research. But I guess if you don't like the word flourish, you could look it up as it is quite appropriate for the state of the hackintosh community.
I've never really understood the Hackintosh community. Frankly I see it as a waste of talent that could be better applied to BSD or Linux. Mind you I'm a big fan of the current Mac OS but if you want an OS to get creative on (programming wise) it is the wrong platform.
Yes, really do some research. But I guess if you don't like the word flourish, you could look it up as it is quite appropriate for the state of the hackintosh community.
Is there a way to calculate the number of Hackintoshed computers out there? They do the job though, I recently helped a friend with one, she bought an Asus barebone system, we added an i7-3770S, 16GB Crucial 1600Ghz Ram, OCZ 128GB SSD and a Nvidia Quadro K600, cost a little over 700 bucks. She had a Mac Pro G5 with a 30" Apple Display and the monitor worked perfectly with the Quadro. The computer is hidden in a cabinet under the desk so when someone is in her office all you see is a Mac monitor, keyboard and mouse, if you didn't know there is no way anyone could tell it wasn't a real Mac. I defiantly see the appeal.
Who would want the above when you can have the below with everything inside the case!! I hear you can even climb inside the case and work from there since they have a display monitor INSIDE the case!!! C'mon Apple! Try to innovate!!!
I can actually think of a few applications where the new Pro would work really well in a Pelican 1520 case with any accessories fixed in place and wired up, and still (almost) take up less space than the existing MacPro. It will be interesting to see if people end up making brackets to mount them in racks and other cases. You could get 6 of them in a 5U rack enclosure if you really wanted to, or mix and match with storage or whatever other accessories you might need.
Fucking retard, stick your head in the sand, I don't care. That said I WILL allways be able to build a faster PC to run OSX for less $$ than you if you so choose to pay for the pretty shiny designs they produce....
Well, you can't call Apple for any help, what you are doing is actually illegal since OS X licenses are only meant to run on the original computer that it came with and upgrade licenses are meant to upgrade an existing Apple computer. They aren't meant to install on whatever YOU want, because you are too cheap to buy an authentic Apple product.
Hackintosh users are the little parasites that mill around the industry that don't want to pay for anything, but always want it their way, like their entitled.
So you want to use something but no be supportive of the company and all of the people that spend their time doing everything to make it possible.
Sorry, but I would NEVER hire someone that put together their own Hackintosh systems and had your attitude.
Can't Hackintosh a laptop can you? You can only Hackintosh a PC tower, but it's still illegal.
I can actually think of a few applications where the new Pro would work really well in a Pelican 1520 case with any accessories fixed in place and wired up, and still (almost) take up less space than the existing MacPro. It will be interesting to see if people end up making brackets to mount them in racks and other cases. You could get 6 of them in a 5U rack enclosure if you really wanted to, or mix and match with storage or whatever other accessories you might need.
Yeah, that thing is far too much for the average high end user. Those big boxes don't sell well as compared to the kind of sales Apple needs to get. Not every Mac Pro user installs 4 internal drives, not every Mac Pro user installs additional PCI cards, not every MacPro user installs a second Optical drive, etc. The beast you are showing is kind of overkill for the markets Apple generally goes after.
Is there a way to calculate the number of Hackintoshed computers out there? They do the job though, I recently helped a friend with one, she bought an Asus barebone system, we added an i7-3770S, 16GB Crucial 1600Ghz Ram, OCZ 128GB SSD and a Nvidia Quadro K600, cost a little over 700 bucks. She had a Mac Pro G5 with a 30" Apple Display and the monitor worked perfectly with the Quadro. The computer is hidden in a cabinet under the desk so when someone is in her office all you see is a Mac monitor, keyboard and mouse, if you didn't know there is no way anyone could tell it wasn't a real Mac. I defiantly see the appeal.
And how much time did it take for you to figure out what products you needed to buy, buy them, unpack them and install them, including the OS? How many hours? Don't tell me 1/2 an hour, I know better. From start to finish, how many actual hours were spent until the system was fully installed up and running?
Well, you can't call Apple for any help, what you are doing is actually illegal since OS X licenses are only meant to run on the original computer that it came with and upgrade licenses are meant to upgrade an existing Apple computer. They aren't meant to install on whatever YOU want, because you are too cheap to buy an authentic Apple product.
"Too cheap" sums it up. It is rather sad that talent that allows for hackintoshes isn't used on open operating systems instead of being used to steal the Mac operating system. As some that also uses Linux and a few other OS's it isn't like there is a lack of projects out there.
One thing that I've learned, probably too late in life, is that a thief will use any sort of contorted logic they can come up with to justify their behavior.
Hackintosh users are the little parasites that mill around the industry that don't want to pay for anything, but always want it their way, like their entitled.
Rather pathetic too when there are so many open systems they could contribute to.
So you want to use something but no be supportive of the company and all of the people that spend their time doing everything to make it possible.
Sorry, but I would NEVER hire someone that put together their own Hackintosh systems and had your attitude.
Nor should you do business with them.
Can't Hackintosh a laptop can you? You can only Hackintosh a PC tower, but it's still illegal.
Actually I think you can do laptops too. Again though why bother? Mac Book Airs aren't that much more expensive than competing systems and are often better values when looked at closely.
The price isn't out yet so we will have to wait and see.
While technically true that the price isn't out yet, it's been pointed out (by a few poeple, at another site) that there is simply no way that an individual will be able to get those GPUs at anything resembling a reasonable price -- I mean reasonable when compared to the entire price of the Pro, not otherwise reasonable; AMD can mark-up as much as they want.
So, as I understand it (and these people at least seemed to know what they were talking about and make good arguments) the likelihood that you'll be able to build you own a cheaper machine is extremely unlikely.
I think for gamers, this would probably be fine, but the pros kind of need storage, optical drives (even though content is moving towards digital downloads) having built in optical BluRay is kind of needed here, PCI slots (not for additional graphics cards, but for maybe ProTools, unless this thing will outperform Pro Tools cards using Pro Tools native).
I think the shape seems more like the gamer and home computing crowd would be drawn to this, but the pros are more rack mount/tower centric.
Otherwise, it's a cool looking product. I wouldn't mind having one, but more for a home computer than a Pro workstation.
I think for gamers, this would probably be fine, but the pros kind of need storage, optical drives (even though content is moving towards digital downloads) having built in optical BluRay is kind of needed here, PCI slots (not for additional graphics cards, but for maybe ProTools, unless this thing will outperform Pro Tools cards using Pro Tools native).
I think the shape seems more like the gamer and home computing crowd would be drawn to this, but the pros are more rack mount/tower centric.
Otherwise, it's a cool looking product. I wouldn't mind having one, but more for a home computer than a Pro workstation.
This is the problem with how people are viewing this: They are viewing this as a replacement for the old Mac Pro. It is NOT. It is a new order, a totally new approach. Expandability is now external. The machine itself is built around extremely high performance and an advanced, rethought thermal core.
Apple faces this sort of reaction seemingly every few years. Get rid of floppy drives?! Are you kidding?! What do mean you can't open the iMac?! Who the heck is going to buy that!? OMG, why would any serious person buy a cell phone without an actual keyboard!? WTF is the iPad, and why the hell does it cost so much?! Wait second -- you are taking away my optical drive?! EFF YOU!
Once people stop thinking about this as a replacement for the old Mac Pro, but as a new sort of platform with a new approach, it will make a lot more sense.
Exactly. Which is why the hackintosh community flourishes. I love OSX but hate the over priced HW apple tries to drive down our throats.
There is not a shot in hell the Hackintosh community is flourishing. If you mean flourishing like Haiku OS or ReactOS, to development projects like GNUStep as flourishing then chalk that up as flourishing.
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Originally Posted by GadgetCanadaV2
Flourishes???.......................really?
Yes, really do some research. But I guess if you don't like the word flourish, you could look it up as it is quite appropriate for the state of the hackintosh community.
Originally Posted by TonyZ
Yes, really do some research.
One one thousandth of one percent of the entire computer industry is not "flourishing".
But I guess if you don't like the word flourish, you could look it up as it is quite appropriate for the state of the hackintosh community.
Not in the freaking slightest.
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Originally Posted by TonyZ
Exactly. Which is why the hackintosh community flourishes. I love OSX but hate the over priced HW apple tries to drive down our throats.
Well, Apple would have to charge lots of money for the OS if they were to sell it the same way Microsoft sells it. Do you want that? Plus no support? A very small number of geeks would, but the majority doesn't.
Apple makes their product the way they do and they charge what they charge so they can stay in business. In case you haven't noticed, IBM, Compaq sold off their PC businesses because they couldn't make any profit. HP is looking to dump their PC business and Dell has probably considered doing the same thing. The PC clone business has little to no profits and a company cannot survive with a decent return on investment. Lenovo is barely making a profit as well.
These guys are working on only a couple of percent net profits when their shareholders wants considerably more.
You can't have high quality at a low cost. Those two paradigms can't exist together. You want quality? It costs money. You want a company that will stick around? They have to make a decent profit to reinvest in hiring people and spending more money in R&D.
The Hackintosh community isn't really flourishing from a standpoint that anyone is really making any decent money. It's categorized as illegal clone DIY consumers that act like they know what they are doing.
I think what Apple should have done is taken at least one or two well known, well connected people from the Audio Recording industry, Video Production Industry, Animation Studios, Architects, Professional Photographers, etc for each of the various markets they are going after to help them with figuring out what configurations, etc. and to help with the R&D of the product design. If you can please these people, then you'll have a winner on your hands.
I'm sure there are plenty of valid reasons why they didn't have PCI slots (because there are less requirements for them), only one CPU vs two, no hard drives cages, no optical and a form factor that looks like some strange time capsule. I'm sure some people won't mind the things it doesn't have, some can get what they need with third party and some will just limp along with what they have writing hate mail to Apple. I hope Apple has a backup design.
This kind of reminds me of the cylinder version of the Cube they came out with.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
One one thousandth of one percent of the entire computer industry is not "flourishing".
Not in the freaking slightest.
Fucking retard, stick your head in the sand, I don't care. That said I WILL allways be able to build a faster PC to run OSX for less $$ than you if you so choose to pay for the pretty shiny designs they produce....
Not being easily rack mounted or even put on a serve cabinet shelf is a big shortcoming. As for the power supply these could simply be seen as compute modules that get swapped out whole. In some cases it actually makes more sense to be able to quickly swap the whole machine.
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Originally Posted by ecs
Of course I remember the O2. Together with my MacBook Air, they're the best computers I owned (for different reasons, though: the O2 because of having IRIX on a small form factor, while being able to use up to 1GB of textures in hardware accelerated OpenGL (because of UMA), and I also loved its blue box. I did a lot of very useful stuff with that machine. And the MacBook Air allows me to have almost desktop features with the weight close to an iPad. I also owned more computers, of course, but these two are the best I ever used.
But the new Mac Pro looks promising... It has the potential of becoming my #1 favorite :-)
When i first saw the O2, I thought it came right out of a Smurf Theme park. I thought the GUI was kind of cool in some respects. SGi did have a few strange designs back then.
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Originally Posted by drblank
Well, Apple would have to charge lots of money for the OS if they were to sell it the same way Microsoft sells it. Do you want that? Plus no support? A very small number of geeks would, but the majority doesn't.
Apple makes their product the way they do and they charge what they charge so they can stay in business. In case you haven't noticed, IBM, Compaq sold off their PC businesses because they couldn't make any profit. HP is looking to dump their PC business and Dell has probably considered doing the same thing. The PC clone business has little to no profits and a company cannot survive with a decent return on investment. Lenovo is barely making a profit as well.
These guys are working on only a couple of percent net profits when their shareholders wants considerably more.
You can't have high quality at a low cost. Those two paradigms can't exist together. You want quality? It costs money. You want a company that will stick around? They have to make a decent profit to reinvest in hiring people and spending more money in R&D.
The Hackintosh community isn't really flourishing from a standpoint that anyone is really making any decent money. It's categorized as illegal clone DIY consumers that act like they know what they are doing.
I think what Apple should have done is taken at least one or two well known, well connected people from the Audio Recording industry, Video Production Industry, Animation Studios, Architects, Professional Photographers, etc for each of the various markets they are going after to help them with figuring out what configurations, etc. and to help with the R&D of the product design. If you can please these people, then you'll have a winner on your hands.
I'm sure there are plenty of valid reasons why they didn't have PCI slots (because there are less requirements for them), only one CPU vs two, no hard drives cages, no optical and a form factor that looks like some strange time capsule. I'm sure some people won't mind the things it doesn't have, some can get what they need with third party and some will just limp along with what they have writing hate mail to Apple. I hope Apple has a backup design.
This kind of reminds me of the cylinder version of the Cube they came out with.
As far as hackintosh community, I'm not talking about anyone making any money, just being able to run OSX on much cheaper self built systems. And yes, even if Apple charged what MS does for Windows I would pay it as it is just that much better, their hardware, not so much.
I've never really understood the Hackintosh community. Frankly I see it as a waste of talent that could be better applied to BSD or Linux. Mind you I'm a big fan of the current Mac OS but if you want an OS to get creative on (programming wise) it is the wrong platform.
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Originally Posted by TonyZ
Yes, really do some research. But I guess if you don't like the word flourish, you could look it up as it is quite appropriate for the state of the hackintosh community.
Is there a way to calculate the number of Hackintoshed computers out there? They do the job though, I recently helped a friend with one, she bought an Asus barebone system, we added an i7-3770S, 16GB Crucial 1600Ghz Ram, OCZ 128GB SSD and a Nvidia Quadro K600, cost a little over 700 bucks. She had a Mac Pro G5 with a 30" Apple Display and the monitor worked perfectly with the Quadro. The computer is hidden in a cabinet under the desk so when someone is in her office all you see is a Mac monitor, keyboard and mouse, if you didn't know there is no way anyone could tell it wasn't a real Mac. I defiantly see the appeal.
Originally Posted by TonyZ
That said I WILL always be able to build a faster PC to run OSX for less $$ than you…
Enjoy your infraction.
Are you the one I bet earlier? No, you will not be able to build a faster PC than this Mac Pro for less money. That's just common sense.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Enjoy your infraction.
Are you the one I bet earlier? No, you will not be able to build a faster PC than this Mac Pro for less money. That's just common sense.
The price isn't out yet so we will have to wait and see.
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Originally Posted by TonyZ
Fucking retard, stick your head in the sand, I don't care. That said I WILL allways be able to build a faster PC to run OSX for less $$ than you if you so choose to pay for the pretty shiny designs they produce....
Well, you can't call Apple for any help, what you are doing is actually illegal since OS X licenses are only meant to run on the original computer that it came with and upgrade licenses are meant to upgrade an existing Apple computer. They aren't meant to install on whatever YOU want, because you are too cheap to buy an authentic Apple product.
Hackintosh users are the little parasites that mill around the industry that don't want to pay for anything, but always want it their way, like their entitled.
So you want to use something but no be supportive of the company and all of the people that spend their time doing everything to make it possible.
Sorry, but I would NEVER hire someone that put together their own Hackintosh systems and had your attitude.
Can't Hackintosh a laptop can you? You can only Hackintosh a PC tower, but it's still illegal.
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Originally Posted by aaarrrgggh
I can actually think of a few applications where the new Pro would work really well in a Pelican 1520 case with any accessories fixed in place and wired up, and still (almost) take up less space than the existing MacPro. It will be interesting to see if people end up making brackets to mount them in racks and other cases. You could get 6 of them in a 5U rack enclosure if you really wanted to, or mix and match with storage or whatever other accessories you might need.
Yeah, that thing is far too much for the average high end user. Those big boxes don't sell well as compared to the kind of sales Apple needs to get. Not every Mac Pro user installs 4 internal drives, not every Mac Pro user installs additional PCI cards, not every MacPro user installs a second Optical drive, etc. The beast you are showing is kind of overkill for the markets Apple generally goes after.
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Originally Posted by Relic
Is there a way to calculate the number of Hackintoshed computers out there? They do the job though, I recently helped a friend with one, she bought an Asus barebone system, we added an i7-3770S, 16GB Crucial 1600Ghz Ram, OCZ 128GB SSD and a Nvidia Quadro K600, cost a little over 700 bucks. She had a Mac Pro G5 with a 30" Apple Display and the monitor worked perfectly with the Quadro. The computer is hidden in a cabinet under the desk so when someone is in her office all you see is a Mac monitor, keyboard and mouse, if you didn't know there is no way anyone could tell it wasn't a real Mac. I defiantly see the appeal.
And how much time did it take for you to figure out what products you needed to buy, buy them, unpack them and install them, including the OS? How many hours? Don't tell me 1/2 an hour, I know better. From start to finish, how many actual hours were spent until the system was fully installed up and running?
One thing that I've learned, probably too late in life, is that a thief will use any sort of contorted logic they can come up with to justify their behavior. Rather pathetic too when there are so many open systems they could contribute to. Nor should you do business with them.
Actually I think you can do laptops too. Again though why bother? Mac Book Airs aren't that much more expensive than competing systems and are often better values when looked at closely.
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Originally Posted by Relic
The price isn't out yet so we will have to wait and see.
While technically true that the price isn't out yet, it's been pointed out (by a few poeple, at another site) that there is simply no way that an individual will be able to get those GPUs at anything resembling a reasonable price -- I mean reasonable when compared to the entire price of the Pro, not otherwise reasonable; AMD can mark-up as much as they want.
So, as I understand it (and these people at least seemed to know what they were talking about and make good arguments) the likelihood that you'll be able to build you own a cheaper machine is extremely unlikely.
But you're right: we don't know the price yet.
I think the shape seems more like the gamer and home computing crowd would be drawn to this, but the pros are more rack mount/tower centric.
Otherwise, it's a cool looking product. I wouldn't mind having one, but more for a home computer than a Pro workstation.
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Originally Posted by drblank
I think for gamers, this would probably be fine, but the pros kind of need storage, optical drives (even though content is moving towards digital downloads) having built in optical BluRay is kind of needed here, PCI slots (not for additional graphics cards, but for maybe ProTools, unless this thing will outperform Pro Tools cards using Pro Tools native).
I think the shape seems more like the gamer and home computing crowd would be drawn to this, but the pros are more rack mount/tower centric.
Otherwise, it's a cool looking product. I wouldn't mind having one, but more for a home computer than a Pro workstation.
This is the problem with how people are viewing this: They are viewing this as a replacement for the old Mac Pro. It is NOT. It is a new order, a totally new approach. Expandability is now external. The machine itself is built around extremely high performance and an advanced, rethought thermal core.
Apple faces this sort of reaction seemingly every few years. Get rid of floppy drives?! Are you kidding?! What do mean you can't open the iMac?! Who the heck is going to buy that!? OMG, why would any serious person buy a cell phone without an actual keyboard!? WTF is the iPad, and why the hell does it cost so much?! Wait second -- you are taking away my optical drive?! EFF YOU!
Once people stop thinking about this as a replacement for the old Mac Pro, but as a new sort of platform with a new approach, it will make a lot more sense.
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Exactly. Which is why the hackintosh community flourishes. I love OSX but hate the over priced HW apple tries to drive down our throats.
There is not a shot in hell the Hackintosh community is flourishing. If you mean flourishing like Haiku OS or ReactOS, to development projects like GNUStep as flourishing then chalk that up as flourishing.