It is interesting to hear that AMD has revealed their R9 series of volcanic islands hardware. Timing here is what cause one to perk up, they expect to start shipping in October. Now I'm wondering if compatible versions for the Mac Pro will be ready.
It may be a stretch to expect a brand new GPU for the Mac Pro and Fire Pro is a bit different than the desktop units. However everybody is thinking about Mac Pro hold ups in terms of Intel, but what if they are waiting on a new series of Fire Pro cards. This would mean higher performance for the high end machine while old cards get moved down in the pricing structure. This could mean more power in the entry level machine while keeping the price in check.
Of course the other reality is that Apple has never been aggressive with respect to GPU choices.
It is interesting to hear that AMD has revealed their R9 series of volcanic islands hardware. Timing here is what cause one to perk up, they expect to start shipping in October. Now I'm wondering if compatible versions for the Mac Pro will be ready.
I'm still unsure how comparable it will be to what is marketed under the firepro label on non-OSX systems. I think they will just launch desktop hardware after the macbook pros are updated. You will probably see one update for the notebooks, then another encompassing at least the imac and mac pro. The mini could ship too, as they are probably not supply constrained on appropriate cpus. I mention that as the notebooks are likely to be a far higher priority.
It was previewed in June? We're now into October. (Wasn't this the month the 'new' iMacs were previewed last year?)
If Apple wants to avoid another 'late shipping' disaster they'd do well to make sure the Pro is available this month. (Sure, historically, they've launched Power Macs in November...January....but this time...surely this month, October.)
Mavericks has gone 'Gold Master.' The Pro was previewed almost five months ago.
Late October shipping? Will it launch alongside Macbook Pros for a bit more exposure?
I'm excited about it...even though I have a very powerful flagship iMac.
Spiritiually it's hard not to think of myself as a Mac Tower owner. I'll never forget my 604e Power Mac Clone that I had. That and my Adobe suite and my Wacom tablet. I was a very happy person.
The "New mac pro" guy on Facebook was reporting that retail stores are sending back their stock, but Apple's website shows both configurations available for pickup at all my local locations. I do hope this happens soon. I'm holding off on a new iMac until I see the final specs and price.
It was previewed in June? We're now into October. (Wasn't this the month the 'new' iMacs were previewed last year?)
They said this fall, still plenty of time to meet their schedule.
If Apple wants to avoid another 'late shipping' disaster they'd do well to make sure the Pro is available this month. (Sure, historically, they've launched Power Macs in November...January....but this time...surely this month, October.)
Why winter isn't here yet, further Mac Pro shipments are currently near zero. The reality is Apple has a lot of work to do to reestablish the Mac Pros credibility. Due to this it would be best to make sure the product is robustly stable.
Mavericks has gone 'Gold Master.' The Pro was previewed almost five months ago.
That right there should calm you down.
Late October shipping? Will it launch alongside Macbook Pros for a bit more exposure?
I'm excited about it...even though I have a very powerful flagship iMac.
Spiritiually it's hard not to think of myself as a Mac Tower owner. I'll never forget my 604e Power Mac Clone that I had. That and my Adobe suite and my Wacom tablet. I was a very happy person.
Lemon Bon Bon.
I'm most interested in seeing what happens to both the Mini and the Mac Pro. As far as the Mac Pro goes, I'm hoping we see signs that Apple has removed head from ass and markets the new Pro at a reasonable price.
A key thing with this release is Mavericks which should turn the Mac Pro, all Macs really, into far more powerful machines. That and TB which I keep hearing interesting things about. One rumor is the support of IP protocol over TB possibly leading to cheap high performance clustering.
I'm still unsure how comparable it will be to what is marketed under the firepro label on non-OSX systems. I think they will just launch desktop hardware after the macbook pros are updated.
Well on the Mac Pros any new AMD chip would have to be shipping in its FirePro version. It is hard to say if AMD would have new FirePro support on the new silicon so early. Some people seem to indicate that the major difference is the drivers, not the silicon, I'm not sure I believe that honestly. In any event the big thing here is that these new AMD GPU chips should run far cooler due to a process shrink, this is a big deal for the Mac Pro.
You will probably see one update for the notebooks, then another encompassing at least the imac and mac pro. The mini could ship too, as they are probably not supply constrained on appropriate cpus. I mention that as the notebooks are likely to be a far higher priority.
I can see the rest of the stuff, that is Mac stuff being released on the same day. I just believe they are all being delayed for common parts. The only exception is possibly the Mini, which I have this suspicion that it will be morphed into a new platform.
Not really, that was a release to developers with much still under NDA. The general public is not really keyed into this resource.
So if you believe that we need a formal release to engage the general public. Second we need a debut to get all the NDA protected goodness of Mavericks public. Yeah plenty of leaks may make that seem unneeded but again they have to formally promote these things to the general public. This by the way isn't a keynote, something that heads off a conference, but rather a product demo. Apple could have some product surprises at this demo.
The general public is not really keyed into this resource. So if you believe that we need a formal release to engage the general public.
It’s not a device for the general public. It would show up at a keynote, as a second or third act, if there exists a 4K Thunderbolt Display, and even that would only be a sideline to the MacBook Pro. And if the MBP doesn’t get an event (because, let’s face it, it’s just Haswell; why would it?), then why would the Mac Pro?
Second we need a debut to get all the NDA protected goodness of Mavericks public.
It would show up at a keynote, as a second or third act, if there exists a 4K Thunderbolt Display, and even that would only be a sideline to the MacBook Pro. And if the MBP doesn’t get an event (because, let’s face it, it’s just Haswell; why would it?), then why would the Mac Pro?
If nothing special was happening with the MBP they would have just slipped it in with the iMac update. It is rather curious that they didn't do this in the first place.
However you seem to equate an event with a big stage production, this might not be the case. In any event it won't be on the scale of WWDC. All they may do is have a small press gathering where the new features of the MBP, Mini and Mac Pro are laid out. There is a big difference between a press event and WWDC.
Why? They’ve never done one before.
Huh? I'm pretty sure they have. They generally announce the release of an OS to the general public and if there is hardware to go with it, that hardware. Again we aren't talking WWDC conferences here.
If nothing special was happening with the MBP they would have just slipped it in with the iMac update. It is rather curious that they didn't do this in the first place.
I found that a little unusual. They have broken several of their long-standing trends in the last year or so. One that I noticed here was that the imac was refreshed prior to notebooks. Typically notebooks are always refreshed first, and the imac was within 12 months of its last update. It could just a matter of what was ready coupled with a desire to space updates whenever possible.
Huh? I'm pretty sure they have. They generally announce the release of an OS to the general public and if there is hardware to go with it, that hardware.
You probably remember better than I do, but I don’t remember that happening ever. An OS itself doesn’t get an event; we’ve always just heard about it at WWDC or MacWorld.
Oh, are you thinking of iOS? iOS always used to get a preview event.
Not really, that was a release to developers with much still under NDA. The general public is not really keyed into this resource.
So if you believe that we need a formal release to engage the general public. Second we need a debut to get all the NDA protected goodness of Mavericks public. Yeah plenty of leaks may make that seem unneeded but again they have to formally promote these things to the general public. This by the way isn't a keynote, something that heads off a conference, but rather a product demo. Apple could have some product surprises at this demo.
The general public doesn't care about a $2500+ specialized machine like this. And other than specific model numbers of the known components and pricing options, it's a known commodity. There are no "one more thing" moments for this product.
I'm sure they're waiting to ship this with Mavericks as that will be the only OS to support Thunderbolt 2 and have AMD Firepro drivers. If it doesn't just show up for preorder some sunny morning, it'll be a side note at the next hardware event.
It looks like it could be late October for Mavericks and the Pro. This month.
I can see them making a dual Pro desktop and laptop launch. To put the 'Pro' back on the map.
Both prob' have TB2?
Still, Apple does what they like. But they haven't got that much time to announce iPads, Mac Mini, Pro, Laptops..Mavericks...and what about a 4k studio display...(*thinks about Sharp...)
2 months until Christmas fever closes in. So, surely this month it all kicks off?
Maybe they'll can the mini and just offer a 'mid-tower' version of the Pro with sanely priced components?
This is one reason I think some sort of announcement is coming. The fact the both the Mini and Mac Book Pro have yet to update highlights that more than a general rev of these machines is about to happen.
Rebirth of the mini-tower?
A mediaeval tower perhaps. No not an iPad spelling error! the idea just came to mind that if you put two new Mac Pros close together with a draw bridge in the center you have what looks like an ultra modern entrance to a castle. A sign of sleep depravation perhaps.
Lemon Bon Bon.
In any event I do have this feeling that more than the Mac Pro we know is coming. Even if the other macs are ignored we still have the fact that it would be best for Apple to have a few system components to go with the Mac Pro. For example the 4K monitor, a TB attached storage array maybe even a TB attached computational node. I just can't see the Mac Pro going on sale in a vacuum.
This is one reason I think some sort of announcement is coming. The fact the both the Mini and Mac Book Pro have yet to update highlights that more than a general rev of these machines is about to happen.
I think it's more likely that Apple simply wants the Pro to be the first machine out with TB2.
Announcing the MBP or Mini steals the spotlight from the new top-of-the-line Mac.
I also wouldn't get your hopes up about a Minitower. Apple know fully well that xMac partisans have always wanted a $1500. tower, and only offered a comparable product once. That is deliberate corporate strategy. With TB2 offering expansion opportunities, Apple is not going to kill Pro sales with a bold Mini, or kill iMac sales with a $1500. tower.
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It may be a stretch to expect a brand new GPU for the Mac Pro and Fire Pro is a bit different than the desktop units. However everybody is thinking about Mac Pro hold ups in terms of Intel, but what if they are waiting on a new series of Fire Pro cards. This would mean higher performance for the high end machine while old cards get moved down in the pricing structure. This could mean more power in the entry level machine while keeping the price in check.
Of course the other reality is that Apple has never been aggressive with respect to GPU choices.
It is interesting to hear that AMD has revealed their R9 series of volcanic islands hardware. Timing here is what cause one to perk up, they expect to start shipping in October. Now I'm wondering if compatible versions for the Mac Pro will be ready.
I'm still unsure how comparable it will be to what is marketed under the firepro label on non-OSX systems. I think they will just launch desktop hardware after the macbook pros are updated. You will probably see one update for the notebooks, then another encompassing at least the imac and mac pro. The mini could ship too, as they are probably not supply constrained on appropriate cpus. I mention that as the notebooks are likely to be a far higher priority.
Invites should be going out soon...
The new Mac Pro should be imminent.
It was previewed in June? We're now into October. (Wasn't this the month the 'new' iMacs were previewed last year?)
If Apple wants to avoid another 'late shipping' disaster they'd do well to make sure the Pro is available this month. (Sure, historically, they've launched Power Macs in November...January....but this time...surely this month, October.)
Mavericks has gone 'Gold Master.' The Pro was previewed almost five months ago.
Late October shipping? Will it launch alongside Macbook Pros for a bit more exposure?
I'm excited about it...even though I have a very powerful flagship iMac.
Spiritiually it's hard not to think of myself as a Mac Tower owner. I'll never forget my 604e Power Mac Clone that I had. That and my Adobe suite and my Wacom tablet. I was a very happy person.
Lemon Bon Bon.
The "New mac pro" guy on Facebook was reporting that retail stores are sending back their stock, but Apple's website shows both configurations available for pickup at all my local locations. I do hope this happens soon. I'm holding off on a new iMac until I see the final specs and price.
The new Mac Pro should be imminent.
It was previewed in June? We're now into October. (Wasn't this the month the 'new' iMacs were previewed last year?)
Apple has the Mac Pro and Macbook Pro, the Mini and iPad, Mavericks and Final Cut all still to come this year. And a new TB Display.
Unless they've gone insane, I expect them to break these into at least two different events.
That would mean we've got October and November events still to come.
Not for this. It already had its keynote.
I'm most interested in seeing what happens to both the Mini and the Mac Pro. As far as the Mac Pro goes, I'm hoping we see signs that Apple has removed head from ass and markets the new Pro at a reasonable price.
A key thing with this release is Mavericks which should turn the Mac Pro, all Macs really, into far more powerful machines. That and TB which I keep hearing interesting things about. One rumor is the support of IP protocol over TB possibly leading to cheap high performance clustering.
I can see the rest of the stuff, that is Mac stuff being released on the same day. I just believe they are all being delayed for common parts. The only exception is possibly the Mini, which I have this suspicion that it will be morphed into a new platform.
Not really, that was a release to developers with much still under NDA. The general public is not really keyed into this resource.
So if you believe that we need a formal release to engage the general public. Second we need a debut to get all the NDA protected goodness of Mavericks public. Yeah plenty of leaks may make that seem unneeded but again they have to formally promote these things to the general public. This by the way isn't a keynote, something that heads off a conference, but rather a product demo. Apple could have some product surprises at this demo.
It’s not a device for the general public. It would show up at a keynote, as a second or third act, if there exists a 4K Thunderbolt Display, and even that would only be a sideline to the MacBook Pro. And if the MBP doesn’t get an event (because, let’s face it, it’s just Haswell; why would it?), then why would the Mac Pro?
Why? They’ve never done one before.
However you seem to equate an event with a big stage production, this might not be the case. In any event it won't be on the scale of WWDC. All they may do is have a small press gathering where the new features of the MBP, Mini and Mac Pro are laid out. There is a big difference between a press event and WWDC. Huh? I'm pretty sure they have. They generally announce the release of an OS to the general public and if there is hardware to go with it, that hardware. Again we aren't talking WWDC conferences here.
If nothing special was happening with the MBP they would have just slipped it in with the iMac update. It is rather curious that they didn't do this in the first place.
I found that a little unusual. They have broken several of their long-standing trends in the last year or so. One that I noticed here was that the imac was refreshed prior to notebooks. Typically notebooks are always refreshed first, and the imac was within 12 months of its last update. It could just a matter of what was ready coupled with a desire to space updates whenever possible.
You probably remember better than I do, but I don’t remember that happening ever. An OS itself doesn’t get an event; we’ve always just heard about it at WWDC or MacWorld.
Oh, are you thinking of iOS? iOS always used to get a preview event.
Not really, that was a release to developers with much still under NDA. The general public is not really keyed into this resource.
So if you believe that we need a formal release to engage the general public. Second we need a debut to get all the NDA protected goodness of Mavericks public. Yeah plenty of leaks may make that seem unneeded but again they have to formally promote these things to the general public. This by the way isn't a keynote, something that heads off a conference, but rather a product demo. Apple could have some product surprises at this demo.
The general public doesn't care about a $2500+ specialized machine like this. And other than specific model numbers of the known components and pricing options, it's a known commodity. There are no "one more thing" moments for this product.
I'm sure they're waiting to ship this with Mavericks as that will be the only OS to support Thunderbolt 2 and have AMD Firepro drivers. If it doesn't just show up for preorder some sunny morning, it'll be a side note at the next hardware event.
It looks like it could be late October for Mavericks and the Pro. This month.
I can see them making a dual Pro desktop and laptop launch. To put the 'Pro' back on the map.
Both prob' have TB2?
Still, Apple does what they like. But they haven't got that much time to announce iPads, Mac Mini, Pro, Laptops..Mavericks...and what about a 4k studio display...(*thinks about Sharp...)
2 months until Christmas fever closes in. So, surely this month it all kicks off?
Lemon Bon Bon.
Maybe they'll can the mini and just offer a 'mid-tower' version of the Pro with sanely priced components?
Rebirth of the mini-tower?
Lemon Bon Bon.
http://www.macrumors.com/2013/10/07/sharp-bringing-os-x-compatibility-to-new-32-4k-touchscreen-monitor/
In any event I do have this feeling that more than the Mac Pro we know is coming. Even if the other macs are ignored we still have the fact that it would be best for Apple to have a few system components to go with the Mac Pro. For example the 4K monitor, a TB attached storage array maybe even a TB attached computational node. I just can't see the Mac Pro going on sale in a vacuum.
This is one reason I think some sort of announcement is coming. The fact the both the Mini and Mac Book Pro have yet to update highlights that more than a general rev of these machines is about to happen.
I think it's more likely that Apple simply wants the Pro to be the first machine out with TB2.
Announcing the MBP or Mini steals the spotlight from the new top-of-the-line Mac.
I also wouldn't get your hopes up about a Minitower. Apple know fully well that xMac partisans have always wanted a $1500. tower, and only offered a comparable product once. That is deliberate corporate strategy. With TB2 offering expansion opportunities, Apple is not going to kill Pro sales with a bold Mini, or kill iMac sales with a $1500. tower.
It simply isn't going to happen.