I see a lot of people in this thread saying they have bought anything from 3 to 25 BMWs in their car history, they were mostly horrible, crappy cars and yet the still bought into the hype and kept buying them?
That's insane.
Try something else other than these dreadful German cars that trade on all of this "Emperor's new clothes" mentality.
There's an alternative in that list that DOES support advanced tech and is a damn site more reliable and pleasant to drive than these horrible German offerings. I'll give you a hint - it's a great big pussy cat.
I see a lot of people in this thread saying they have bought anything from 3 to 25 BMWs in their car history, they were mostly horrible, crappy cars and yet the still bought into the hype and kept buying them?
I never said they were horrible cars. I'm on my 5th car and they are indeed excellent driving machines. However, I happen to disagree with their choice of using run-flat tires as standard. While I agree that iDrive is clunky and iOS would be a far sight better, there are so many things that they do right (which is why I've had 5 of them). And to suggest a move to Jaguar? Really?!? No thanks. You wouldn't happen to be James May by chance, would you?
...you can pretty much do away with "Beamer". It looks like "Bimmer" is the appropriate nickname for us four-wheeled motorists and "Beemer" for the two-wheeled variety.
In almost every other language besides English, the "i" in Bimmer is pronounced like long vowel "e" so the two words sound the same. So if you were speaking in English, you could say Beamer, or Beemer and it would communicate the same thing for BMW motorcycles or cars.
I was more surprised to not see the world's largest automaker: Toyota.
They are just showing the first round of mfg. I'm sure there will be more as they see the need to support it. I would like to see Tesla get on board, even though they don't sell a lot of cars yet.
In almost every other language besides English, the "i" in Bimmer is pronounced like long vowel "e" so the two words sound the same. So if you were speaking in English, you could say Beamer, or Beemer and it would communicate the same thing for BMW motorcycles or cars.
In almost every other language besides English, the "i" in Bimmer is pronounced like long vowel "e" so the two words sound the same. So if you were speaking in English, you could say Beamer, or Beemer and it would communicate the same thing for BMW motorcycles or cars.
Truthfully, I never really cared for any those nicknames and my answer was based on the article in the link. It seemed like a logical explanation. I usually just referred to it by model though.
Back on topic though, I always figured BMW as a shoe-in for deploying something like iOS in the car. Too bad.
I never said they were horrible cars. I'm on my 5th car and they are indeed excellent driving machines. However, I happen to disagree with their choice of using run-flat tires as standard. While I agree that iDrive is clunky and iOS would be a far sight better, there are so many things that they do right (which is why I've had 5 of them). And to suggest a move to Jaguar? Really?!? No thanks. You wouldn't happen to be James May by chance, would you?
Going to Jaguar from BMW is like switching to Android from IOS.
no volkswagon brands at all - I emailed them on monday to see if it was pending - no answer
Good idea. I love my VW vehicles, however, sometimes I am more comfortable in my girlfriend's Ford. VW makes great driving vehicles with nice interiors, but their electronics suck. Ford, however, has been innovative and making good vehicles lately. Sync was a step a head of the class, and I love the fact Ford's don't have gas caps (I also like the keyless number pad locks). Ford's interiors are nice as well. I am writing VW a letter as well. Ford to. Sync isn't ios.
I never said they were horrible cars. I'm on my 5th car and they are indeed excellent driving machines. However, I happen to disagree with their choice of using run-flat tires as standard.
Run flats make the car slightly lighter and saves gas as well as enhancing safety because you'll never be stuck on the side of the road. You can replace the tires but you should consider getting a flat fix kit and a battery powered tire pump to keep in the trunk. That is what I would do if I ever wore out a set of tires which I have not. I don't wear out tires on my BMWs, since I upgrade often. I just can't see throwing out the tires when they are still new. I agree they ride a bit rough but as I mentioned earlier I'm not into speeding around corners so the run flats are fine for me.
Going to Jaguar from BMW is like switching to Android from IOS.
Kinda how I see it. (Some) British cars don't exactly have an impeccable reputation for being problem free. Didn't Land Rover just end up at the bottom of some initial quality list?
So I guess what MFT can do that iOS in the car can't, is make a carmaker's quality rating go into freefall.
Ford Sync is for better or worst the best in terms of phone integration. The recent version though certainly had some release hiccups. I have enjoyed Sync the best out of all the other options in the market, but I would love Ford to support iOS as well.
Run flats make the car slightly lighter and saves gas as well as enhancing safety because you'll never be stuck on the side of the road. You can replace the tires but you should consider getting a flat fix kit and a battery powered tire pump to keep in the trunk. That is what I would do if I ever wore out a set of tires which I have not. I don't wear out tires on my BMWs, since I upgrade often. I just can't see throwing out the tires when they are still new. I agree they ride a bit rough but as I mentioned earlier I'm not into speeding around corners so the run flats are fine for me.
Absolutely not. RFT tires are waaaay heavier than non RFT. Extra unsprung weight is very undesirable.
Very few reputable tire shops will repair a runflat, so one puncture and you pay $300 minimum for a new tire.
Non RFT's offer higher performance, less weight, better wear (depending on tire) and much cheaper alternative to RFT.
Run flats make the car slightly lighter and saves gas as well as enhancing safety because you'll never be stuck on the side of the road. You can replace the tires but you should consider getting a flat fix kit and a battery powered tire pump to keep in the trunk. That is what I would do if I ever wore out a set of tires which I have not. I don't wear out tires on my BMWs, since I upgrade often. I just can't see throwing out the tires when they are still new. I agree they ride a bit rough but as I mentioned earlier I'm not into speeding around corners so the run flats are fine for me.
I'm all for the benefits of run-flats (whatever they may be) if they didn't have such a detrimental effect on the ride. Sometimes I hit a bump and it feels like I'm on Flintstone tires.
Absolutely not. RFT tires are waaaay heavier than non RFT. Extra unsprung weight is very undesirable.
Very few reputable tire shops will repair a runflat, so one puncture and you pay $300 minimum for a new tire.
Non RFT's offer higher performance, less weight, better wear (depending on tire) and much cheaper alternative to RFT.
I was referring to the weight of the spare. There is no spare in the trunk on BMW. Also if you use a tire fix kit it will probably ruin the inflation sensor which I'm sure isn't cheap.
Absolutely not. RFT tires are waaaay heavier than non RFT. Extra unsprung weight is very undesirable.
Very few reputable tire shops will repair a runflat, so one puncture and you pay $300 minimum for a new tire.
Non RFT's offer higher performance, less weight, better wear (depending on tire) and much cheaper alternative to RFT.
Oh and I forgot coice and availability. You could be stuck in a crappy town for a weekend waiting for delivery of a RFT tire. Not a lot of places stock a decent enough selection.
And now we have a fourth category of "pussies" (though that one may have genuinely been in jest as indicated by the smiley face).
Based on this article: http://jalopnik.com/139926/bimmer-vs-beamer-the-answer , you can pretty much do away with "Beamer". It looks like "Bimmer" is the appropriate nickname for us four-wheeled motorists and "Beemer" for the two-wheeled variety.
It was in jest. I should get out more. Is the "I" pronounced long or short? Link will probably tell me. Although I gotta say a short "I" doesn't sound as good to my ear. Not that I'd try to change the tide of enthusiast usage.
Don't know about BMW but the nav system and display UI in my new Honda Pilot could use a little iOS magic. I had heard BMW being criticized for their UI so not sure they really get it. Better experience with UI means more sales. They are sitting on their prestige appeal or do not want to lose their investment on their own display engineering.
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So, BMW earns $2150 for 1990's grade PC graphics and maps that don't update, or they let drivers use Apple maps for free with in dash iOS.
There's your explanation.
I see a lot of people in this thread saying they have bought anything from 3 to 25 BMWs in their car history, they were mostly horrible, crappy cars and yet the still bought into the hype and kept buying them?
That's insane.
Try something else other than these dreadful German cars that trade on all of this "Emperor's new clothes" mentality.
There's an alternative in that list that DOES support advanced tech and is a damn site more reliable and pleasant to drive than these horrible German offerings. I'll give you a hint - it's a great big pussy cat.
I've never looked back...
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Originally Posted by messele
I see a lot of people in this thread saying they have bought anything from 3 to 25 BMWs in their car history, they were mostly horrible, crappy cars and yet the still bought into the hype and kept buying them?
I never said they were horrible cars. I'm on my 5th car and they are indeed excellent driving machines. However, I happen to disagree with their choice of using run-flat tires as standard. While I agree that iDrive is clunky and iOS would be a far sight better, there are so many things that they do right (which is why I've had 5 of them). And to suggest a move to Jaguar? Really?!? No thanks. You wouldn't happen to be James May by chance, would you?
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Originally Posted by Rob55
...you can pretty much do away with "Beamer". It looks like "Bimmer" is the appropriate nickname for us four-wheeled motorists and "Beemer" for the two-wheeled variety.
In almost every other language besides English, the "i" in Bimmer is pronounced like long vowel "e" so the two words sound the same. So if you were speaking in English, you could say Beamer, or Beemer and it would communicate the same thing for BMW motorcycles or cars.
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Originally Posted by thataveragejoe
I was more surprised to not see the world's largest automaker: Toyota.
They are just showing the first round of mfg. I'm sure there will be more as they see the need to support it. I would like to see Tesla get on board, even though they don't sell a lot of cars yet.
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Originally Posted by mstone
In almost every other language besides English, the "i" in Bimmer is pronounced like long vowel "e" so the two words sound the same. So if you were speaking in English, you could say Beamer, or Beemer and it would communicate the same thing for BMW motorcycles or cars.
Now, it's BUMMER. No Siri support.
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Originally Posted by mstone
In almost every other language besides English, the "i" in Bimmer is pronounced like long vowel "e" so the two words sound the same. So if you were speaking in English, you could say Beamer, or Beemer and it would communicate the same thing for BMW motorcycles or cars.
Truthfully, I never really cared for any those nicknames and my answer was based on the article in the link. It seemed like a logical explanation. I usually just referred to it by model though.
Back on topic though, I always figured BMW as a shoe-in for deploying something like iOS in the car. Too bad.
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Originally Posted by Rob55
I never said they were horrible cars. I'm on my 5th car and they are indeed excellent driving machines. However, I happen to disagree with their choice of using run-flat tires as standard. While I agree that iDrive is clunky and iOS would be a far sight better, there are so many things that they do right (which is why I've had 5 of them). And to suggest a move to Jaguar? Really?!? No thanks. You wouldn't happen to be James May by chance, would you?
Going to Jaguar from BMW is like switching to Android from IOS.
Good idea. I love my VW vehicles, however, sometimes I am more comfortable in my girlfriend's Ford. VW makes great driving vehicles with nice interiors, but their electronics suck. Ford, however, has been innovative and making good vehicles lately. Sync was a step a head of the class, and I love the fact Ford's don't have gas caps (I also like the keyless number pad locks). Ford's interiors are nice as well. I am writing VW a letter as well. Ford to. Sync isn't ios.
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Originally Posted by Rob55
I never said they were horrible cars. I'm on my 5th car and they are indeed excellent driving machines. However, I happen to disagree with their choice of using run-flat tires as standard.
Run flats make the car slightly lighter and saves gas as well as enhancing safety because you'll never be stuck on the side of the road. You can replace the tires but you should consider getting a flat fix kit and a battery powered tire pump to keep in the trunk. That is what I would do if I ever wore out a set of tires which I have not. I don't wear out tires on my BMWs, since I upgrade often. I just can't see throwing out the tires when they are still new. I agree they ride a bit rough but as I mentioned earlier I'm not into speeding around corners so the run flats are fine for me.
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Originally Posted by patpatpat
Going to Jaguar from BMW is like switching to Android from IOS.
Kinda how I see it. (Some) British cars don't exactly have an impeccable reputation for being problem free. Didn't Land Rover just end up at the bottom of some initial quality list?
Ford Sync is for better or worst the best in terms of phone integration. The recent version though certainly had some release hiccups. I have enjoyed Sync the best out of all the other options in the market, but I would love Ford to support iOS as well.
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Originally Posted by mstone
Run flats make the car slightly lighter and saves gas as well as enhancing safety because you'll never be stuck on the side of the road. You can replace the tires but you should consider getting a flat fix kit and a battery powered tire pump to keep in the trunk. That is what I would do if I ever wore out a set of tires which I have not. I don't wear out tires on my BMWs, since I upgrade often. I just can't see throwing out the tires when they are still new. I agree they ride a bit rough but as I mentioned earlier I'm not into speeding around corners so the run flats are fine for me.
Absolutely not. RFT tires are waaaay heavier than non RFT. Extra unsprung weight is very undesirable.
Very few reputable tire shops will repair a runflat, so one puncture and you pay $300 minimum for a new tire.
Non RFT's offer higher performance, less weight, better wear (depending on tire) and much cheaper alternative to RFT.
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Originally Posted by mstone
Run flats make the car slightly lighter and saves gas as well as enhancing safety because you'll never be stuck on the side of the road. You can replace the tires but you should consider getting a flat fix kit and a battery powered tire pump to keep in the trunk. That is what I would do if I ever wore out a set of tires which I have not. I don't wear out tires on my BMWs, since I upgrade often. I just can't see throwing out the tires when they are still new. I agree they ride a bit rough but as I mentioned earlier I'm not into speeding around corners so the run flats are fine for me.
I'm all for the benefits of run-flats (whatever they may be) if they didn't have such a detrimental effect on the ride. Sometimes I hit a bump and it feels like I'm on Flintstone tires.
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Originally Posted by patpatpat
Absolutely not. RFT tires are waaaay heavier than non RFT. Extra unsprung weight is very undesirable.
Very few reputable tire shops will repair a runflat, so one puncture and you pay $300 minimum for a new tire.
Non RFT's offer higher performance, less weight, better wear (depending on tire) and much cheaper alternative to RFT.
I was referring to the weight of the spare. There is no spare in the trunk on BMW. Also if you use a tire fix kit it will probably ruin the inflation sensor which I'm sure isn't cheap.
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Originally Posted by patpatpat
Absolutely not. RFT tires are waaaay heavier than non RFT. Extra unsprung weight is very undesirable.
Very few reputable tire shops will repair a runflat, so one puncture and you pay $300 minimum for a new tire.
Non RFT's offer higher performance, less weight, better wear (depending on tire) and much cheaper alternative to RFT.
Oh and I forgot coice and availability. You could be stuck in a crappy town for a weekend waiting for delivery of a RFT tire. Not a lot of places stock a decent enough selection.
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Originally Posted by mstone
I was referring to the weight of the spare.
My M3 has non runflats and no spare. BMW give you a can of Goop and that's it. No spare, at least on M models.
It was in jest. I should get out more. Is the "I" pronounced long or short? Link will probably tell me. Although I gotta say a short "I" doesn't sound as good to my ear. Not that I'd try to change the tide of enthusiast usage.