I'm all for the benefits of run-flats (whatever they may be) if they didn't have such a detrimental effect on the ride. Sometimes I hit a bump and it feels like I'm on Flintstone tires.
LOL. Yes, but you know some of that is just the nature of low profile tires. They ride rougher than higher profile tires. I always laugh when I see these show-offs with their trucks and 4x4s and low profile twenty inchers, oh, and, an original spare.
I told my salesman that the run-flats that BMW uses suck, but my comment fell on deaf ears. (and I've gotten 3 cars from him so far).
Not sure exactly what "fell on deaf ears" means in this case but if it means he refuses to listen or ignores complaints then I guess you're the nice person for continuing to buy from that salesman. Clearly the run-flats aren't big enough deal to keep you from buying BMW. Lucky you. I think.
Oh and I forgot coice and availability. You could be stuck in a crappy town for a weekend waiting for delivery of a RFT tire. Not a lot of places stock a decent enough selection.
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Have a flat tire? Run out of gas? Need a tow? With BMW Roadside Assistance, you can be assured that whatever happens while you're on the road, you can always turn to us.
BMW Roadside Assistance offers outstanding travel protection 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, at no additional cost* and without any mileage restrictions. You're covered in all 50 states, Canada and Puerto Rico, and you're even covered if someone else is driving your BMW.
Don't know about BMW but the nav system and display UI in my new Honda Pilot could use a little iOS magic. I had heard BMW being criticized for their UI so not sure they really get it. Better experience with UI means more sales. They are sitting on their prestige appeal or do not want to lose their investment on their own display engineering.
If the quality of the UI determined BMW sales, nobody would be buying BMW's. People buy BMW's for lots of reasons, the biggest 2 being
- Best driving experience for its class
- Status symbol
Things like reliability and interior are less important. For the most popular 3 series, the NAV/UI is an expensive option that many forego.
My M3 has non runflats and no spare. BMW give you a can of Goop and that's it. No spare, at least on M models.
Yeah those tires on that model are really soft rubber and wear out super fast. I suppose the driving habits of most M3 owners probably doesn't help either.
That means they will tow you to the nearest BMW dealer (doesn't matter if the nearest dealer is 1000 miles away) where you leave your car for 2 days while they order in that $800 285/35/20 runflat tire for your X6. I've had BMW roadside assistance and BMW wheel protection.
If we can stop bashing BMW drivers for a minute%u2026
I drive a 2012 BMW and its iDrive feature is an embarrassment. Counterintuitive, overly complicated, and just plain clunky, iDrive is by far the worst feature on an otherwise great car. A driver's chance of using voice control to successfully do anything %u2013 make a phone call, find a location, even enter a city is about zero. You need to be in the proper mode, use the proper wording, and hope for the best:
"Call Roberta."
"Find Indiana?"
While I can plug in my iPhone and play music and podcasts, the car also features a hard drive (yes, you read right, not solid state) to store songs but get this, it won't allow me download my music library from the iPhone. Instead, I must load songs from my Mac onto a flash drive and then go through a convoluted process to get them on the car's drive. Delete or add a song? Errrr, not likely.
I complain here not to boo-hoo, but because according to Apple and this article, BMW will not be taking advantage of existing first-rate technology in the future, relying instead on a new "proprietary" system. Man, they just don't get it.
Agreed, I just sent Feedback to customerrelations@bmwusa.com. I'd encourage any BMW owner who wants iOS inegration to do the same..
"Dear BMW,
As current owners of 2013 and 2011 BMW's, I was very disheartened to learn that BMW has no future plans to join the 14 other on-board auto-makers in incorporating the newly announced Apple 'iOS in the Car" and instead plans to stick with it's own technology.
My partner and I both absolutely love of our recent BMW purchases, however the iDrive and ConnectedDrive interfaces are severely lacking and pale in comparison to Apple's proposed iOS integration solutions.
For me personally, being connected to my Apple devices is the single most important interior feature for any vehicle I own, and failure to incorporate Apple's brand new solutions would WITHOUT A DOUBT impact my decision to choose a BMW vehicle again when my lease expires.
Yeah those tires on that model are really soft rubber and wear out super fast. I suppose the driving habits of most M3 owners probably doesn't help either.
That's why I keep a light, high performance, sticky set for fun days and a medium cost all purpose reliable set (wheels and tires) for road trips. Best of both worlds :-)
That means they will tow you to the nearest BMW dealer (doesn't matter if the nearest dealer is 1000 miles away) where you leave your car for 2 days while they order in that $800 285/35/20 runflat tire for your X6. I've had BMW roadside assistance and BMW wheel protection.
Kind of an exaggeration, no? I think they can get it fixed right away at the dealer plus I have road hazard tire insurance.
Kind of an exaggeration, no? I think they can get it fixed right away at the dealer plus I have road hazard tire insurance.
Almost positive BMW dealer will not fix a runflat. They will replace it. BMW Service centers close from 6PM saturday until AM Monday, so you're out of luck if you get a puncture during those hours. Your local tire rack will likely have to order in the tire.
I'm in the same boat with non runflats. On long journeys I throw one of my spare wheels from my other set in trunk rather than spend hours, possibly days, waiting for roadside and dealer to handle.
If you've ever read a road test review of a BMW, somewhere in it will be the phrase, "... of course, BMWs iDrive still sucks..."
Exactly! This is a quote from BMWs own website. No mention of iDrive or UI. Not saying that they couldn't do better but iDrive/UI was never a consideration for me in buying a BMW.
"This year, the BMW 3 Series has made Car and Driver's acclaimed 10Best List for an unprecedented 20th year in a row. Known around the world for its sporty looks, superior handling and powerful engines, the 3 Series has been a perennial favorite amongst driving enthusiasts and Car and Driver writers alike. And it's no surprise, especially when,"the chassis balance is exquisite, with handling that encourages risky behavior but a ride that you wouldn't feel bad subjecting your grandmother to." Not only has the 3 Series been on every 10Best List since 1992, but it's "a feat unmatched by any other vehicle on the market." And that's an incredible accomplishment for our most popular BMW."
I read a review of the Keynote and the reviewer claimed Toyota was included. Likely the reviewer was wrong. Unfortunate for us Toyota buyers since their auto software really sucks in ways too numerous to list.
That means they will tow you to the nearest BMW dealer (doesn't matter if the nearest dealer is 1000 miles away) where you leave your car for 2 days while they order in that $800 285/35/20 runflat tire for your X6. I've had BMW roadside assistance and BMW wheel protection.
Exactly. Roadside assistance will change your tire if you have a spare, or they will tow you if you have no spare. Only two options. They do not replace your flat with a new tire.
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Originally Posted by Rob55
I'm all for the benefits of run-flats (whatever they may be) if they didn't have such a detrimental effect on the ride. Sometimes I hit a bump and it feels like I'm on Flintstone tires.
LOL. Yes, but you know some of that is just the nature of low profile tires. They ride rougher than higher profile tires. I always laugh when I see these show-offs with their trucks and 4x4s and low profile twenty inchers, oh, and, an original spare.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob55
I told my salesman that the run-flats that BMW uses suck, but my comment fell on deaf ears. (and I've gotten 3 cars from him so far).
Not sure exactly what "fell on deaf ears" means in this case but if it means he refuses to listen or ignores complaints then I guess you're the nice person for continuing to buy from that salesman. Clearly the run-flats aren't big enough deal to keep you from buying BMW.
Great marketing potential. With an M5, even ugly fat chicks get action.
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Originally Posted by patpatpat
Oh and I forgot coice and availability. You could be stuck in a crappy town for a weekend waiting for delivery of a RFT tire. Not a lot of places stock a decent enough selection.
Quote: BMW
Have a flat tire? Run out of gas? Need a tow? With BMW Roadside Assistance, you can be assured that whatever happens while you're on the road, you can always turn to us.
BMW Roadside Assistance offers outstanding travel protection 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, at no additional cost* and without any mileage restrictions. You're covered in all 50 states, Canada and Puerto Rico, and you're even covered if someone else is driving your BMW.
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Originally Posted by TeeJay2012
Don't know about BMW but the nav system and display UI in my new Honda Pilot could use a little iOS magic. I had heard BMW being criticized for their UI so not sure they really get it. Better experience with UI means more sales. They are sitting on their prestige appeal or do not want to lose their investment on their own display engineering.
If the quality of the UI determined BMW sales, nobody would be buying BMW's. People buy BMW's for lots of reasons, the biggest 2 being
- Best driving experience for its class
- Status symbol
Things like reliability and interior are less important. For the most popular 3 series, the NAV/UI is an expensive option that many forego.
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Originally Posted by patpatpat
My M3 has non runflats and no spare. BMW give you a can of Goop and that's it. No spare, at least on M models.
Yeah those tires on that model are really soft rubber and wear out super fast. I suppose the driving habits of most M3 owners probably doesn't help either.
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Originally Posted by mstone
That means they will tow you to the nearest BMW dealer (doesn't matter if the nearest dealer is 1000 miles away) where you leave your car for 2 days while they order in that $800 285/35/20 runflat tire for your X6. I've had BMW roadside assistance and BMW wheel protection.
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Originally Posted by avidmac
If we can stop bashing BMW drivers for a minute%u2026
I drive a 2012 BMW and its iDrive feature is an embarrassment. Counterintuitive, overly complicated, and just plain clunky, iDrive is by far the worst feature on an otherwise great car. A driver's chance of using voice control to successfully do anything %u2013 make a phone call, find a location, even enter a city is about zero. You need to be in the proper mode, use the proper wording, and hope for the best:
"Call Roberta."
"Find Indiana?"
While I can plug in my iPhone and play music and podcasts, the car also features a hard drive (yes, you read right, not solid state) to store songs but get this, it won't allow me download my music library from the iPhone. Instead, I must load songs from my Mac onto a flash drive and then go through a convoluted process to get them on the car's drive. Delete or add a song? Errrr, not likely.
I complain here not to boo-hoo, but because according to Apple and this article, BMW will not be taking advantage of existing first-rate technology in the future, relying instead on a new "proprietary" system. Man, they just don't get it.
Agreed, I just sent Feedback to customerrelations@bmwusa.com. I'd encourage any BMW owner who wants iOS inegration to do the same..
"Dear BMW,
As current owners of 2013 and 2011 BMW's, I was very disheartened to learn that BMW has no future plans to join the 14 other on-board auto-makers in incorporating the newly announced Apple 'iOS in the Car" and instead plans to stick with it's own technology.
BMW shuns Apple's 'iOS in the Car' to stick with its own technology
My partner and I both absolutely love of our recent BMW purchases, however the iDrive and ConnectedDrive interfaces are severely lacking and pale in comparison to Apple's proposed iOS integration solutions.
For me personally, being connected to my Apple devices is the single most important interior feature for any vehicle I own, and failure to incorporate Apple's brand new solutions would WITHOUT A DOUBT impact my decision to choose a BMW vehicle again when my lease expires.
Please reconsider this decision.
Best Regards,
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Originally Posted by mstone
Yeah those tires on that model are really soft rubber and wear out super fast. I suppose the driving habits of most M3 owners probably doesn't help either.
That's why I keep a light, high performance, sticky set for fun days and a medium cost all purpose reliable set (wheels and tires) for road trips. Best of both worlds :-)
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Originally Posted by patpatpat
That means they will tow you to the nearest BMW dealer (doesn't matter if the nearest dealer is 1000 miles away) where you leave your car for 2 days while they order in that $800 285/35/20 runflat tire for your X6. I've had BMW roadside assistance and BMW wheel protection.
Kind of an exaggeration, no? I think they can get it fixed right away at the dealer plus I have road hazard tire insurance.
Quote:
Originally Posted by patpatpat
If the quality of the UI determined BMW sales, nobody would be buying BMW's. People buy BMW's for lots of reasons, the biggest 2 being
- Best driving experience for its class
- Status symbol
Things like reliability and interior are less important. For the most popular 3 series, the NAV/UI is an expensive option that many forego.
If you've ever read a road test review of a BMW, somewhere in it will be the phrase, "... of course, BMWs iDrive still sucks..."
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Originally Posted by mstone
Kind of an exaggeration, no? I think they can get it fixed right away at the dealer plus I have road hazard tire insurance.
Almost positive BMW dealer will not fix a runflat. They will replace it. BMW Service centers close from 6PM saturday until AM Monday, so you're out of luck if you get a puncture during those hours. Your local tire rack will likely have to order in the tire.
I'm in the same boat with non runflats. On long journeys I throw one of my spare wheels from my other set in trunk rather than spend hours, possibly days, waiting for roadside and dealer to handle.
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Originally Posted by anonymouse
If you've ever read a road test review of a BMW, somewhere in it will be the phrase, "... of course, BMWs iDrive still sucks..."
Exactly! This is a quote from BMWs own website. No mention of iDrive or UI. Not saying that they couldn't do better but iDrive/UI was never a consideration for me in buying a BMW.
"This year, the BMW 3 Series has made Car and Driver's acclaimed 10Best List for an unprecedented 20th year in a row. Known around the world for its sporty looks, superior handling and powerful engines, the 3 Series has been a perennial favorite amongst driving enthusiasts and Car and Driver writers alike. And it's no surprise, especially when,"the chassis balance is exquisite, with handling that encourages risky behavior but a ride that you wouldn't feel bad subjecting your grandmother to." Not only has the 3 Series been on every 10Best List since 1992, but it's "a feat unmatched by any other vehicle on the market." And that's an incredible accomplishment for our most popular BMW."
Toyota should get on board with Apple.
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Originally Posted by TBell
Ford Sync is for better or worst the best in terms of phone integration.
You're exactly right...and thats the problem. The current best just isn't good enough, or at least as good as it could be.
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Originally Posted by patpatpat
That means they will tow you to the nearest BMW dealer (doesn't matter if the nearest dealer is 1000 miles away) where you leave your car for 2 days while they order in that $800 285/35/20 runflat tire for your X6. I've had BMW roadside assistance and BMW wheel protection.
Exactly. Roadside assistance will change your tire if you have a spare, or they will tow you if you have no spare. Only two options. They do not replace your flat with a new tire.
"I know which one I want." -- Eddy Cue
Once they realize iOS in the car makes their competitors look good, they'll find a way to change their tune.
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Originally Posted by leewalker10
What about Audi??
They have Mercedes, I'm sure Audi might come around.
Well, I know that I won't be buying a BMTroubleU. One car mfg I don't have to worry about.
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Originally Posted by drblank
They have Mercedes, I'm sure Audi might come around.
Well, I know that I won't be buying a BMTroubleU. One car mfg I don't have to worry about.
VW is Audi.