So if the Mac Pro is not the Made in USA Mac that was promised for later this year, then what will be? This is only "Assembled in USA" and Tim Cook and Obama clearly promised they'd start "making" Macs in America again.
It sounds like they've deliberately stretched the truth in order to score political points. Very disappointing. Assembling is not making!
I'm with Apple on this one. They seam to be honest enough to take into account that most computer components are simply not manufactured in the states. Of course that is true for all "American made" computers. So kudos to Apple.
Some people can never be pleased. You can make it designed and made in the USA, they'll say but it's not organic. You make it organic, and they'll say but it's not 100% organic. You make it 100% organic, and people will find another reason to go after it.
I am a big proponent of buying things made in America but some things I know are impossible at the moment.
I've never seen it on an actual product. It's generally the first thing you see when you open the packaging though.
I can't attest as to when the practice started, as the first non-used Apple product I bought was in 2005. With the Mac mini I bought in 2005, when you opened the box, "Designed by Apple in California" was written on the topmost thing on the inside of the box.
The MacBook Pro I got in 2008 had a similarly prominently-placed message, and I've seen it in the packaging of all of my iPhones, but again, never actually on the product.
Look at the back of your iPhone.
The back of my iPhone 4S has "Designed by Apple in California".
It just says "Designed in California. Assembled in USA." Would like to see "Designed & Made in USA"
Assembled does not sound good. It still says... parts are manufactured in China. They were shipped to USA and were assembled.
Legally they must say "assembled" if a certain number of internal components come from outside the US. So this is not a choice for Apple, it's a legal requirement. It would be utterly impossible to ensure the majority of internal components are manufactured in the US. So give them some credit!
I'm with Apple on this one. They seam to be honest enough to take into account that most computer components are simply not manufactured in the states. Of course that is true for all "American made" computers. So kudos to Apple.
That's not totally true. Memory chips are made here. SSDs have been made here. I'm not sure about now. Intel still makes cpus here. Intel has manufacturing facilities. Samsung has plants in Texas. There's Micron. As for assembly, I know Boxx is in Texas. Obvious the US has way less of this than Asia. Note Asia, not China. It goes beyond one country.
I've never seen it on an actual product. It's generally the first thing you see when you open the packaging though.
I can't attest as to when the practice started, as the first non-used Apple product I bought was in 2005. With the Mac mini I bought in 2005, when you opened the box, "Designed by Apple in California" was written on the topmost thing on the inside of the box.
The MacBook Pro I got in 2008 had a similarly prominently-placed message, and I've seen it in the packaging of all of my iPhones, but again, never actually on the product.
Look by the serial numbers and such. Also, it's on the back of any iPhone (right under the word 'iPhone', with all of the other little fine print). As someone above noted, it hasn't been since day 1, but it's been around for quite awhile.
Borhter, Whole world knows that CA is in US. Its really feel good to see a nation's name rather than CA.
How a chinese fellow feel to see "Made in Shanghai" other than "Made in China."
Don't you think Apple products represent the nation-US? Its a token of pride and the products speak to the world about USA.
There are a lot of places in the world were "I'm from California" will get you a warmer reception than "I'm from the US". California means Hollywood. US means Washington DC. CA means fun and cool. US means politics and wars. Combined with that Apple also appears to love it's CA roots, I'm not surprised at all the say designed in CA.
On other note, anyone know the breakdown of Mac Pro sales in the US vs non-US? If the vast majority are US sales, there might not be much of an economic downside to assembly in the US. Might even cost less to ship the components here than a fully assembled and packaged unit.
There are a lot of places in the world were "I'm from California" will get you a warmer reception than "I'm from the US". California means Hollywood. US means Washington DC. CA means fun and cool. US means politics and wars. Combined with that Apple also appears to love it's CA roots, I'm not surprised at all the say designed in CA.
Did anybody realize Mr Kuo only tells rumors for stuff that has momentum? Until a week ago, Mr Kuo ignored the Mac Pro like if it wasn't relevant in the keynote. Now he comes happy to announce rumors about the Mac Pro production. What a boy!
Well, for most of the world, all this chest-beating, xenophobic, "pro-USA" stuff is profoundly distasteful, so there's that to consider also.
They way they are pushing California, I think they believe that somehow the rest of the world has a more positive opinion of California than they do of the USA in general, but I think they are probably not correct about that either.
The only explanation I have for why Apple is doing this sort of thing is that like most Americans, they are blissfully unaware of how the rest of the world really sees the USA and actually believe that line about America being a "world leader" that everyone "looks up to."
For large sections of the world, the USA is closer to being the source of most of their problems than something to look up to, and the general smugness, the blindness to their faults, ant the endless self promotion of American companies looks just plain awful from the "outside."
It is all marketing, true, but I doubt the rest of the world cares where it is built. Patriots of all nations take pride in their work and building quality products for the rest of the world to see, it is nothing that pertains only to citizens of the US and should not be frowned upon. The US and its citizens do a lot of good around the world and provide a vast amount of charitable contributions to countries in need. I have no love for our politicians, but I do for our people.
I was just checking what a new 27" iMac i7 fully loaded would cost to allow me to work on HD video and very large multiple RAW images. By the time I add in Apple Care, a large SSD and even not loading with RAM from Apple I am around the $4,000 mark. OK a Mac Pro doesn't have a monitor but I already have one ... a Mac Pro starts to look worth waiting for especially when you consider the Geekbench of an existing Mac Pro already is double the top end iMac. I have to assume the new Mac Pro will be upwards of 3 to 4 x the top end iMac or at least getting up there. History tells us a lower end Mac Pro will more than likely start at around $2,500 and go up to some astronomical level. So if a mid level new Mac Pro can be had for $4,000 with Apple care it really is a no brainer for me ... There, ... did I convince myself to wait?
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That is the Anki Special Edition model....
D-link's circular routers have been out for at least a year now, and they work quite well. The Samsung G-can is another matter altogether....
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So if the Mac Pro is not the Made in USA Mac that was promised for later this year, then what will be? This is only "Assembled in USA" and Tim Cook and Obama clearly promised they'd start "making" Macs in America again.
It sounds like they've deliberately stretched the truth in order to score political points. Very disappointing. Assembling is not making!
I'm with Apple on this one. They seam to be honest enough to take into account that most computer components are simply not manufactured in the states. Of course that is true for all "American made" computers. So kudos to Apple.
I am a big proponent of buying things made in America but some things I know are impossible at the moment.
The back of my iPhone 4S has "Designed by Apple in California".
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It just says "Designed in California. Assembled in USA." Would like to see "Designed & Made in USA"
Assembled does not sound good. It still says... parts are manufactured in China. They were shipped to USA and were assembled.
Legally they must say "assembled" if a certain number of internal components come from outside the US. So this is not a choice for Apple, it's a legal requirement. It would be utterly impossible to ensure the majority of internal components are manufactured in the US. So give them some credit!
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I'm with Apple on this one. They seam to be honest enough to take into account that most computer components are simply not manufactured in the states. Of course that is true for all "American made" computers. So kudos to Apple.
That's not totally true. Memory chips are made here. SSDs have been made here. I'm not sure about now. Intel still makes cpus here. Intel has manufacturing facilities. Samsung has plants in Texas. There's Micron. As for assembly, I know Boxx is in Texas. Obvious the US has way less of this than Asia. Note Asia, not China. It goes beyond one country.
When you look at the backside of certain Samsung products, it should say, designed in California, poorly ripped off in Korea.
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I've never seen it on an actual product. It's generally the first thing you see when you open the packaging though.
I can't attest as to when the practice started, as the first non-used Apple product I bought was in 2005. With the Mac mini I bought in 2005, when you opened the box, "Designed by Apple in California" was written on the topmost thing on the inside of the box.
The MacBook Pro I got in 2008 had a similarly prominently-placed message, and I've seen it in the packaging of all of my iPhones, but again, never actually on the product.
Look by the serial numbers and such. Also, it's on the back of any iPhone (right under the word 'iPhone', with all of the other little fine print). As someone above noted, it hasn't been since day 1, but it's been around for quite awhile.
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As someone above noted, it hasn't been since day 1, but it's been around for quite awhile.
At least for more than decade, since I have very old iPods that have "Designed by Apple in California" on them.
I also have an iMac from 1999, and that does not say "Designed by Apple in California" on it. It says "Assembled in Mexico".
Borhter, Whole world knows that CA is in US. Its really feel good to see a nation's name rather than CA.
How a chinese fellow feel to see "Made in Shanghai" other than "Made in China."
Don't you think Apple products represent the nation-US? Its a token of pride and the products speak to the world about USA.
There are a lot of places in the world were "I'm from California" will get you a warmer reception than "I'm from the US". California means Hollywood. US means Washington DC. CA means fun and cool. US means politics and wars. Combined with that Apple also appears to love it's CA roots, I'm not surprised at all the say designed in CA.On other note, anyone know the breakdown of Mac Pro sales in the US vs non-US? If the vast majority are US sales, there might not be much of an economic downside to assembly in the US. Might even cost less to ship the components here than a fully assembled and packaged unit.
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There are a lot of places in the world were "I'm from California" will get you a warmer reception than "I'm from the US". California means Hollywood. US means Washington DC. CA means fun and cool. US means politics and wars. Combined with that Apple also appears to love it's CA roots, I'm not surprised at all the say designed in CA.
California is almost like a separate country.
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Legally they must say "assembled" if a certain number of internal components come from outside the US.
To be correct, Apple doesn't have to put anything on it.
But they cannot put Made in America if it has less than a certain percentage of components/costs from inside US.
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It is all marketing, true, but I doubt the rest of the world cares where it is built. Patriots of all nations take pride in their work and building quality products for the rest of the world to see, it is nothing that pertains only to citizens of the US and should not be frowned upon. The US and its citizens do a lot of good around the world and provide a vast amount of charitable contributions to countries in need. I have no love for our politicians, but I do for our people.
But i prefer aluminum!
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Why do you say this?
Maybe from Taiwan or Thailand hopefully not China!
I was just checking what a new 27" iMac i7 fully loaded would cost to allow me to work on HD video and very large multiple RAW images. By the time I add in Apple Care, a large SSD and even not loading with RAM from Apple I am around the $4,000 mark. OK a Mac Pro doesn't have a monitor but I already have one ... a Mac Pro starts to look worth waiting for especially when you consider the Geekbench of an existing Mac Pro already is double the top end iMac. I have to assume the new Mac Pro will be upwards of 3 to 4 x the top end iMac or at least getting up there. History tells us a lower end Mac Pro will more than likely start at around $2,500 and go up to some astronomical level. So if a mid level new Mac Pro can be had for $4,000 with Apple care it really is a no brainer for me ... There, ... did I convince myself to wait?