The green rectangle popping up for incoming call - first time I couldn't find out how to answer! It is NOT obvious that accepting an incoming is done via a right fingerswipe! It's NOT a good thing abandoning button-like user feedback. Many things seem scrapped just for the sake of it.
Because it isn't, by any stretch of the imagination.
That sums up a lot of posts from you people these days.
And by "you people", what do you mean, exactly?
Although Apple may not be in 'free-fall', it is clear that there are problems. The chorus of people who are unhappy with the UI direction Apple is taking ought to serve notice to you and others who are passionate about the brand that there is trouble. I've seen surveys where more than 50% of people who were shown the new UI disliked it and considered it a step backwards. You don't have to look very far to see that in action; just read the comments here. And in contrast to the reflexive dismiss mechanism so prevalent here, that sort of thing does matter, since Apple needs to actually sell these devices.
So let me ask you: What do you think will happen to device sales in the long term if Apple persists in this course unchecked? From history, I'm betting your response will be something like "nothing", or perhaps a misdirection and a non-answer. But just consider this: I personally know multiple people who would not buy another Apple product with this UI running on the device, for no other reason than it is just harder to read. Of everyone I know who uses Apple products (and I include myself) I don't know anyone that likes the new UI or who thinks it is an improvement. Nobody. Map that reaction out across even 25% of current owners and you have a problem, and I think the anecdotal evidence suggests this reaction is going to be much more prevalent than 25%. In the enterprise, It will be even worse.
I read right here on AI that American Airlines uses iPads in all their cockpits. It is finding use in schools, etc. What do you think will happen there if Apple introduces a UI where the typography is notably more difficult to read and where in many documented instances text just blends into the background? And yes, that IS a fact - there are enough screen snaps of exactly that sort of thing floating around the web (and right here on AI) that one would have to be willfully ignorant to attempt to dismiss it. Now, do you think that educators, and mission critical users like airlines... will react positively to a UI that offers fewer visual cues and with typographical features that make text difficult to discern? I don't think so.
Anyone who just wants to sit idly by and approve of this stuff without question merely because Apple is doing it is making a serious miscalculation.
I agree. Perhaps it's my age (don't ask) but I find the visual clues much clearer and I can use the phone without glasses for much of the time, which I couldn't before. Initially I thought is was rather too simple but now it feels that a great deal of thought has gone into this.
I wear glasses and I find it much the opposite; I think it is vastly more difficult to read.
The chorus of people who are unhappy with the UI direction Apple is taking ought to serve notice to you and others who are passionate about the brand that there is trouble.
No, listening to morons never really gets anyone anywhere. Apple is fine.
I've seen surveys...
Lemme guess; online? Who fricking cares?
What do you think will happen to device sales in the long term if Apple persists in this course unchecked?
Record sales, record profits, record revenue, record marketshare, record customer service, and even record environmentalism, despite Peein'-grease's best efforts.
From history, I'm betting your response will be something like "nothing"...
Thanks for proving you know absolutely nothing whatsoever about Apple's history.
I personally know... ...I don't know anyone...
No one gives a flying frick. Your anecdotes are no more or less acceptable than anyone else's, which means the majority can't wait for iOS 7.
And yes, that IS a fact
Note to self: subjectivity is now fact. My education continues...
Anyone who just wants to sit idly by and approve of this stuff without question merely because Apple is doing it is making a serious miscalculation.
Good thing no one, even among those of us who like the new UI, is doing that, huh? :no:
No, listening to morons never really gets anyone anywhere. Apple is fine.
Lemme guess; online? Who fricking cares?
Record sales, record profits, record revenue, record marketshare, record customer service, and even record environmentalism, despite Peein'-grease's best efforts.
Thanks for proving you know absolutely nothing whatsoever about Apple's history.
No one gives a flying frick. Your anecdotes are no more or less acceptable than anyone else's, which means the majority can't wait for iOS 7.
Note to self: subjectivity is now fact. My education continues...
Good thing no one, even among those of us who like the new UI, is doing that, huh?
As predicted, you answered none of my points in a substantive way. You are the biggest troll in these fora and I can't believe you haven't been banned. 95% of the time you contribute nothing to any thread other than to belittle and attack anything that smells even slightly less sweet than the Apple koolaid you clearly drink.
FYI, I was talking about YOUR history, but you apparently missed that in your rush to post a bunch of useless gibberish.
As predicted, you answered none of my points in a substantive way. You are the biggest troll in these fora and I can't believe you haven't been banned. 95% of the time you contribute nothing to any thread other than to belittle and attack anything that smells even slightly less sweet than the Apple koolaid you clearly drink.
FYI, I was talking about YOUR history, but you apparently missed that in your rush to post a bunch of useless gibberish.
Don't you also love the way he cherry picks a few words from a sentence then misconstrues your original intent and argues with a straw man over a point you never even made. How hard would it be to quote the entire post in tact and then make your points in a paragraph.
Sorry, my mistake, you don't have any points that an intelligent person would spend more than a few seconds paying any attention to.
Which is why Apple is going to ignore all the whining about iOS 7, just like they did every single other iOS release. If you can't see that, buy something else.
Sorry, my mistake, you don't have any points that an intelligent person would spend more than a few seconds paying any attention to.
Which is why Apple is going to ignore all the whining about iOS 7, just like they did every single other iOS release. If you can't see that, buy something else.
To clarify, you say this because you are of the belief that ownership of a device is insufficient to comment on it, correct? Despite that having absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the topic at hand, yes?
Sorry, my mistake, you don't have any points that an intelligent person would spend more than a few seconds paying any attention to.
Which is why Apple is going to ignore all the whining about iOS 7, just like they did every single other iOS release. If you can't see that, buy something else.
Well I didnt notice at first but some choice of text size and colors make some parts of the UI difficult to read. Small text with gray of gray or gray on white are very difficult to read to me. White on Cyan is not very good either, for me anyway.
I also think some section frames are too discret, to the point some people will simply not see them. This is where flat interface gets tricky, you need to be carefull to not over do it.
But on the other hand, the look is more clean so finding something on a screen is easier imo, because the interface is more discret, apps or functions pops out. Balance is key here, you dont want the UI to be so discreet to the point you have problems seing it when you look for it. For example, in a song list, the first thing you should see at first glance is the songs, not buttons or frames or backgrounds. But on the other hand, if I do need to use the interface, I should still be able to clearly read it.
Like I said before, I love that everything will scale easily on multiple screen sizes, I ma very "pro choice" regarding screen sizes. And this could scale from a watch to a 60" TV screen, so if this is the driving factor behind the change I am up for it.
When discussing a product be it an iPhone, a car, or a blender for that matter you are likely to have a much more engaging discussion with someone that actually owns and uses said product. That is just common sense. Unless you actually own an iPhone how can you comment on your likes or dislikes of XYZ features? You can't. It is the equivalent of a guy that owns a hyundai going to a BMW forum and trying to follow the conversation about how it takes turns at high speeds by using second hand knowledge that he read.That carries no weight and zero credibility since you have not used or driven the car yourself. When TS can put his money where his mouth is and actually buy and use an iPhone then his rants might at least have some basis in fact from his actual experience. Until then he is free to comment on every iPhone thread that appears daily on AI but we can all ignore his points since we know he doesn't own or use an iPhone since he has told us this himself.
I am still waiting for him to reconcile and explain his position that iOS 6 was perfect. Anytime someone suggested some new features he shot them down as brain dead idiots. But Apple seems to have listened to the public since iOS 7 answer nearly all those complaints and wish lists ad completely overhauled the OS. Then perhaps he can explain since the iPhone is perfect why he has never bought one himself. I think he said he uses a flip phone if memory serves.
As to iOS 7 and the readability, have a little faith in Apple. This is still an early beta and I think you will find by the time it goes GM these issues will largey be fixed.
I have to say that a lot of the color choices are a bit too reminiscent of Windows XP.
And that's a bad thing.
Wait until you actually use it and you won't think that at all. Anytime a major change occurs people always feel the need to compare it to an existing product like Windows, Web OS, or something else. It is still an early beta and probably much will change but even at this stage it pains me to look at iOS 6 again. It really is a massive improvement I promise you. Yes, I have a few issues I don't like but I trust they will address these before it is GM.
Although Apple may not be in 'free-fall', it is clear that there are problems. The chorus of people who are unhappy with the UI direction Apple is taking ought to serve notice to you and others who are passionate about the brand that there is trouble. I've seen surveys where more than 50% of people who were shown the new UI disliked it and considered it a step backwards. You don't have to look very far to see that in action; just read the comments here. And in contrast to the reflexive dismiss mechanism so prevalent here, that sort of thing does matter, since Apple needs to actually sell these devices.
So let me ask you: What do you think will happen to device sales in the long term if Apple persists in this course unchecked? From history, I'm betting your response will be something like "nothing", or perhaps a misdirection and a non-answer. But just consider this: I personally know multiple people who would not buy another Apple product with this UI running on the device, for no other reason than it is just harder to read. Of everyone I know who uses Apple products (and I include myself) I don't know anyone that likes the new UI or who thinks it is an improvement. Nobody. Map that reaction out across even 25% of current owners and you have a problem, and I think the anecdotal evidence suggests this reaction is going to be much more prevalent than 25%. In the enterprise, It will be even worse.
I read right here on AI that American Airlines uses iPads in all their cockpits. It is finding use in schools, etc. What do you think will happen there if Apple introduces a UI where the typography is notably more difficult to read and where in many documented instances text just blends into the background? And yes, that IS a fact - there are enough screen snaps of exactly that sort of thing floating around the web (and right here on AI) that one would have to be willfully ignorant to attempt to dismiss it. Now, do you think that educators, and mission critical users like airlines... will react positively to a UI that offers fewer visual cues and with typographical features that make text difficult to discern? I don't think so.
Anyone who just wants to sit idly by and approve of this stuff without question merely because Apple is doing it is making a serious miscalculation.
The typography will probably get easier to read. There are already clear indications of a sort of shadow in beta 2
Another thing improved in beta2 is the gradient in newsstand. Or rather it's changed the first time you use it. Maybe they are testing us A/B. Anyway looks lots better.
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Originally Posted by nikon133
I actually like most of it. But then, I do like Windows 8 Modern GUI, so my taste is obviously tuned toward such visuals.
You just summed up the value of your opinion...
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Because it isn't, by any stretch of the imagination.
That sums up a lot of posts from you people these days.
And by "you people", what do you mean, exactly?
Although Apple may not be in 'free-fall', it is clear that there are problems. The chorus of people who are unhappy with the UI direction Apple is taking ought to serve notice to you and others who are passionate about the brand that there is trouble. I've seen surveys where more than 50% of people who were shown the new UI disliked it and considered it a step backwards. You don't have to look very far to see that in action; just read the comments here. And in contrast to the reflexive dismiss mechanism so prevalent here, that sort of thing does matter, since Apple needs to actually sell these devices.
So let me ask you: What do you think will happen to device sales in the long term if Apple persists in this course unchecked? From history, I'm betting your response will be something like "nothing", or perhaps a misdirection and a non-answer. But just consider this: I personally know multiple people who would not buy another Apple product with this UI running on the device, for no other reason than it is just harder to read. Of everyone I know who uses Apple products (and I include myself) I don't know anyone that likes the new UI or who thinks it is an improvement. Nobody. Map that reaction out across even 25% of current owners and you have a problem, and I think the anecdotal evidence suggests this reaction is going to be much more prevalent than 25%. In the enterprise, It will be even worse.
I read right here on AI that American Airlines uses iPads in all their cockpits. It is finding use in schools, etc. What do you think will happen there if Apple introduces a UI where the typography is notably more difficult to read and where in many documented instances text just blends into the background? And yes, that IS a fact - there are enough screen snaps of exactly that sort of thing floating around the web (and right here on AI) that one would have to be willfully ignorant to attempt to dismiss it. Now, do you think that educators, and mission critical users like airlines... will react positively to a UI that offers fewer visual cues and with typographical features that make text difficult to discern? I don't think so.
Anyone who just wants to sit idly by and approve of this stuff without question merely because Apple is doing it is making a serious miscalculation.
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Originally Posted by silversquonk
I agree. Perhaps it's my age (don't ask) but I find the visual clues much clearer and I can use the phone without glasses for much of the time, which I couldn't before. Initially I thought is was rather too simple but now it feels that a great deal of thought has gone into this.
I wear glasses and I find it much the opposite; I think it is vastly more difficult to read.
Oh, you know exactly what I mean.
No, listening to morons never really gets anyone anywhere. Apple is fine.
Lemme guess; online?
Record sales, record profits, record revenue, record marketshare, record customer service, and even record environmentalism, despite Peein'-grease's best efforts.
Thanks for proving you know absolutely nothing whatsoever about Apple's history.
No one gives a flying frick. Your anecdotes are no more or less acceptable than anyone else's, which means the majority can't wait for iOS 7.
Note to self: subjectivity is now fact. My education continues...
Good thing no one, even among those of us who like the new UI, is doing that, huh? :no:
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Oh, you know exactly what I mean.
No, listening to morons never really gets anyone anywhere. Apple is fine.
Lemme guess; online?
Record sales, record profits, record revenue, record marketshare, record customer service, and even record environmentalism, despite Peein'-grease's best efforts.
Thanks for proving you know absolutely nothing whatsoever about Apple's history.
No one gives a flying frick. Your anecdotes are no more or less acceptable than anyone else's, which means the majority can't wait for iOS 7.
Note to self: subjectivity is now fact. My education continues...
Good thing no one, even among those of us who like the new UI, is doing that, huh?
As predicted, you answered none of my points in a substantive way. You are the biggest troll in these fora and I can't believe you haven't been banned. 95% of the time you contribute nothing to any thread other than to belittle and attack anything that smells even slightly less sweet than the Apple koolaid you clearly drink.
FYI, I was talking about YOUR history, but you apparently missed that in your rush to post a bunch of useless gibberish.
Again, because you don't [I]have[/I] any points. However there was stuff that could be dismissed, and I did that.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Again, because you don't have any points. However there was stuff that could be dismissed, and I did that.
Nonsense. I made multiple points. You just don't like them, and are too disingenuous to deal with that like an adult.
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Originally Posted by tt92618
As predicted, you answered none of my points in a substantive way. You are the biggest troll in these fora and I can't believe you haven't been banned. 95% of the time you contribute nothing to any thread other than to belittle and attack anything that smells even slightly less sweet than the Apple koolaid you clearly drink.
FYI, I was talking about YOUR history, but you apparently missed that in your rush to post a bunch of useless gibberish.
Don't you also love the way he cherry picks a few words from a sentence then misconstrues your original intent and argues with a straw man over a point you never even made. How hard would it be to quote the entire post in tact and then make your points in a paragraph.
Sorry, my mistake, you don't have any points that an intelligent person would spend more than a few seconds paying any attention to.
Which is why Apple is going to ignore all the whining about iOS 7, just like they did every single other iOS release. If you can't see that, buy something else.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Sorry, my mistake, you don't have any points that an intelligent person would spend more than a few seconds paying any attention to.
Which is why Apple is going to ignore all the whining about iOS 7, just like they did every single other iOS release. If you can't see that, buy something else.
Ah yes, direct from the iPhone expert.
To clarify, you say this because you are of the belief that ownership of a device is insufficient to comment on it, correct? Despite that having absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the topic at hand, yes?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Sorry, my mistake, you don't have any points that an intelligent person would spend more than a few seconds paying any attention to.
Which is why Apple is going to ignore all the whining about iOS 7, just like they did every single other iOS release. If you can't see that, buy something else.
Well I didnt notice at first but some choice of text size and colors make some parts of the UI difficult to read. Small text with gray of gray or gray on white are very difficult to read to me. White on Cyan is not very good either, for me anyway.
I also think some section frames are too discret, to the point some people will simply not see them. This is where flat interface gets tricky, you need to be carefull to not over do it.
But on the other hand, the look is more clean so finding something on a screen is easier imo, because the interface is more discret, apps or functions pops out. Balance is key here, you dont want the UI to be so discreet to the point you have problems seing it when you look for it. For example, in a song list, the first thing you should see at first glance is the songs, not buttons or frames or backgrounds. But on the other hand, if I do need to use the interface, I should still be able to clearly read it.
Like I said before, I love that everything will scale easily on multiple screen sizes, I ma very "pro choice" regarding screen sizes. And this could scale from a watch to a 60" TV screen, so if this is the driving factor behind the change I am up for it.
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Originally Posted by tt92618
Ah yes, direct from the iPhone expert.
When discussing a product be it an iPhone, a car, or a blender for that matter you are likely to have a much more engaging discussion with someone that actually owns and uses said product. That is just common sense. Unless you actually own an iPhone how can you comment on your likes or dislikes of XYZ features? You can't. It is the equivalent of a guy that owns a hyundai going to a BMW forum and trying to follow the conversation about how it takes turns at high speeds by using second hand knowledge that he read.That carries no weight and zero credibility since you have not used or driven the car yourself. When TS can put his money where his mouth is and actually buy and use an iPhone then his rants might at least have some basis in fact from his actual experience. Until then he is free to comment on every iPhone thread that appears daily on AI but we can all ignore his points since we know he doesn't own or use an iPhone since he has told us this himself.
I am still waiting for him to reconcile and explain his position that iOS 6 was perfect. Anytime someone suggested some new features he shot them down as brain dead idiots. But Apple seems to have listened to the public since iOS 7 answer nearly all those complaints and wish lists ad completely overhauled the OS. Then perhaps he can explain since the iPhone is perfect why he has never bought one himself. I think he said he uses a flip phone if memory serves.
As to iOS 7 and the readability, have a little faith in Apple. This is still an early beta and I think you will find by the time it goes GM these issues will largey be fixed.
And that's a bad thing.
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Originally Posted by Crimguy
I have to say that a lot of the color choices are a bit too reminiscent of Windows XP.
And that's a bad thing.
Wait until you actually use it and you won't think that at all. Anytime a major change occurs people always feel the need to compare it to an existing product like Windows, Web OS, or something else. It is still an early beta and probably much will change but even at this stage it pains me to look at iOS 6 again. It really is a massive improvement I promise you. Yes, I have a few issues I don't like but I trust they will address these before it is GM.
The typography will probably get easier to read. There are already clear indications of a sort of shadow in beta 2
New gradients.