I've been running iOS 7 since the beta dropped. Only rolled back for a day, because I initially HATED iOS 7.
Now, having used it non-stop, with the opportunity to really put it through its paces, I can confidently say that I love it. Even the icons have grown on me.
I now understand why the skeumorphism that we would classically call "skeumorphism" is absent from iOS 7:
Because those "real world" obejects - for which skeumorphism acts as a representation - are hardly used anymore. We still use notepads, but we're steadily migrating to digital note-taking. Some of us still use leather-bound calendars, but we're all migrating to digital and online scheduling apps and services.
No line-ruled paper. No leather.
It appears that Ive recognizes this. Skeumorphism was effective and even necessary, by some standards, up until a few years ago. But in the era of movement en masse to digital/online services, the very objects that skeumorphism exists to represent, are quickly turning into relics, to the degree that, in time, a digital representation of a leather-bound calendar, for example, will look like something that fell out of a tree.
I've been running iOS 7 since the beta dropped. Only rolled back for a day, because I initially HATED iOS 7.
Now, having used it non-stop, with the opportunity to really put it through its paces, I can confidently say that I love it. Even the icons have grown on me.
I now understand why the skeumorphism that we would classically call "skeumorphism" is absent from iOS 7:
Because those "real world" obejects - for which skeumorphism acts as a representation - are hardly used anymore. We still use notepads, but we're steadily migrating to digital note-taking. Some of us still use leather-bound calendars, but we're all migrating to digital and online scheduling apps and services.
No line-ruled paper.
No leather.
It appears that Ive recognizes this. Skeumorphism was effective and even necessary, by some standards, up until a few years ago. But in the era of movement en masse to digital/online services, the very objects that skeumorphism exists to represent, are quickly turning into relics, to the degree that, in time, a digital representation of a leather-bound calendar, for example, will look like something that fell out of a tree.
And if you really can't say goodbye to leather, I'm sure there's lots of apps for that. You're not stuck to the default apps.
When Ive remarked that removing the cruft from iOS would result in an unobtrusive, DEFERENTIAL UI, that recedes in order to allow the content to come to the fore, this wasn't just marketing-speak. It was - and is - a statement of demonstrable fact. This really is what's going on. And what UI elements are there, are minimal, clean, and at most, elegant in only a simplistic, unadorned way. Even the animations feel more "mature."
We've grown accustomed to all the niceties of iOS 6 and previous iterations. We loved its warmth and character. And boy did it have character! The UI was, indeed, unique and much-loved. Hell, *I* swore by it in the face of many a comparison with competing interfaces. But having spent time with iOS 7, and given my *own* enjoyment of it (your mileage may vary), it makes iOS6 look like a toy OS: fun, cute, but unrefined. I'll grant that some elements of iOS made it easier for the technologically-intimidated to figure things out. Targets were more distinct and obvious. But this was *also* tantamount (eventually) to handing someone one of those oversized, big-button phones, simply because everything looks a little more obvious on it. In time, you'll think it also looks a bit ridiculous. Ive and his team seemed to have struck just the right balance between usability and minimalism. It's simplicity that is *also* very usable. Others have tried this and failed. Google, for instance, has tried this and failed. They and their partners have simply overloaded the UI. Feature-creep that is untamed. To paraphrase Ive, complexity without any order.
And let's be real here. Compared to the competition, iOS 7 is *still* more usable and easy to grasp by an order of magnitude. Most everything about it is still familiar - still good old iOS.
Now, a lot of folks haven't had an opportunity to spend any time with the Beta, much less use it as their daily-driver since the release like I have, so their apprehension is understandable. But if you do get a chance to use it, spend some time with it. You might be pleasantly surprised.
[quote name="gwmac" url="/t/158220/first-look-apples-latest-ios-7-beta-debuts-on-ipad/80#post_2352406"]Seems like you hit a nerve with that one. :smokey: [/QUOTE]
Not surprised that you think that, given that you've never accurately understood a single thing I've written.
[QUOTE]doesn't even own an iPhone.[/QUOTE]
This will lead to your undoing. Brings a smile to me ol' face, it does.
Not surprised that you think that, given that you've never accurately understood a single thing I've written.
This will lead to your undoing. Brings a smile to me ol' face, it does.
I have understood everything you have written I just think the vast majority of your posts are snarky, snide, or abusive comments that add no value to the discussion and are meant solely for shock value and to get a rise out of people for attention. Every once in a while you will post something of value and those posts are easy to notice since you do not quote anyone and they are longer than one line.
Well Yoda, bring a smile to your face it does? OK, so exactly how will that be my undoing when you have told us time and time again that you do not have an iPhone. I didn't make that up or pull it from a hat, those are your words. You said you had won a 1st generation iPhone from a radio contest but that was the only iPhone you have ever owned. If you now own an iPhone then say so, at least then it wouldn't be quite so weird for you to obsess about the topic.
[quote name="gwmac" url="/t/158220/first-look-apples-latest-ios-7-beta-debuts-on-ipad/120#post_2352577"]I have understood everything you have written[/QUOTE]
Patently false.
[QUOTE]...you have told us time and time again that you do not have an iPhone[/QUOTE]
Not once, anywhere, have I said that to anyone, in any form. You yourself just proved otherwise.
And you wonder why I dismiss offhand absolutely everything you've ever said!
Not once, anywhere, have I said that to anyone, in any form. You yourself just proved otherwise.
And you wonder why I dismiss offhand absolutely everything you've ever said!
Yeah you did. You said you won in in a local radio station contest it was the iPhone 1st gen and that is the only one you have ever owned. It was a while back and you typed many other info about yourself at that time which I can type here to help jog your memory if you like. I have a very good memory. Of course that was many months back and things might have changed. So do you have an iPhone other than the 1st generation iPhone you won in a radio contest or not? Very simple question.
I'd ask, incredulously, if you were listening to yourself, but that's obvious to even the illiterate who read the site.
Nope, I just have a very good memory and remember exactly what you told us. Answer the question, do you have an iPhone or not? This is not top secret personal info. I have an iPhone 5 64GB model with Sprint. So tell us what phone you have TS.
What, specifically, would you like me to justify? You seldom justify any of the inane pot-shots you take at people, why should anyone provide such justification to you?
When you want to actually exchange ideas and have real discussions, maybe you'll merit having someone do something other than shoot down what you say and dismiss it. Until then, expect to get treated like you treat others.
I see TS is making new friends! TS is the friendliest guy around......he just brings out the best in people.
tt92618 join the growing numbers of people that just find him so trollishly amusing. He never makes sense and never debates the points and make nonsensical one liner statements that make no sense. Look at my signature and you will find 2 really good ones.
Also TS was the guy that debated and emphatically stated the after the iPhone 4s......the next iPhone would NOT EVER be called the iPhone 5. It would be called the iPhone 6. Well we all know how that turned out.....just a couple examples of who you are arguing with. If you expect him to make sense....well you will be sorely disappointed.....
Well I didnt notice at first but some choice of text size and colors make some parts of the UI difficult to read. Small text with gray of gray or gray on white are very difficult to read to me. White on Cyan is not very good either, for me anyway.
They fixed a lot of contrast issues on beta 2, hopefully they will do more. For example,you can now tell if your current phone call is muted.
People need to remember it is early beta. People actually using the beta should share their thoughts with Apple. (There is a site for that). For everyone else, it is ok to have an opinion, but stop acting like the world is coming to an end.
Where did you find that relic....ah Relic! :-) sorry couldn't resist!
BTW......love your sig
I bought it in when it was new, paid 900 bucks for it, kept it because it was one of my favorite phones. I later moved on to a Nokia Communicator but the Ericsson will always hold a special place in my heart. It was my first smartphone after all.
i am just simply say it's awesome ... Now a day it become a valuable technology for the users and business purposes, similarly it is used as for entertainment with a great interface and its multi-functional features create a great impact on all age group. Small businessmen and corporate all used its customized application competently and maintain the database securely. Further Apple makes the iPad application functionality to support the all iPhone and iPod apps that is the great approach.
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Now, having used it non-stop, with the opportunity to really put it through its paces, I can confidently say that I love it. Even the icons have grown on me.
I now understand why the skeumorphism that we would classically call "skeumorphism" is absent from iOS 7:
Because those "real world" obejects - for which skeumorphism acts as a representation - are hardly used anymore. We still use notepads, but we're steadily migrating to digital note-taking. Some of us still use leather-bound calendars, but we're all migrating to digital and online scheduling apps and services.
No line-ruled paper.
No leather.
It appears that Ive recognizes this. Skeumorphism was effective and even necessary, by some standards, up until a few years ago. But in the era of movement en masse to digital/online services, the very objects that skeumorphism exists to represent, are quickly turning into relics, to the degree that, in time, a digital representation of a leather-bound calendar, for example, will look like something that fell out of a tree.
And if you really can't say goodbye to leather, I'm sure there's lots of apps for that. You're not stuck to the default apps.
We've grown accustomed to all the niceties of iOS 6 and previous iterations. We loved its warmth and character. And boy did it have character! The UI was, indeed, unique and much-loved. Hell, *I* swore by it in the face of many a comparison with competing interfaces. But having spent time with iOS 7, and given my *own* enjoyment of it (your mileage may vary), it makes iOS6 look like a toy OS: fun, cute, but unrefined. I'll grant that some elements of iOS made it easier for the technologically-intimidated to figure things out. Targets were more distinct and obvious. But this was *also* tantamount (eventually) to handing someone one of those oversized, big-button phones, simply because everything looks a little more obvious on it. In time, you'll think it also looks a bit ridiculous. Ive and his team seemed to have struck just the right balance between usability and minimalism. It's simplicity that is *also* very usable. Others have tried this and failed. Google, for instance, has tried this and failed. They and their partners have simply overloaded the UI. Feature-creep that is untamed. To paraphrase Ive, complexity without any order.
And let's be real here. Compared to the competition, iOS 7 is *still* more usable and easy to grasp by an order of magnitude. Most everything about it is still familiar - still good old iOS.
Now, a lot of folks haven't had an opportunity to spend any time with the Beta, much less use it as their daily-driver since the release like I have, so their apprehension is understandable. But if you do get a chance to use it, spend some time with it. You might be pleasantly surprised.
Not surprised that you think that, given that you've never accurately understood a single thing I've written.
[QUOTE]doesn't even own an iPhone.[/QUOTE]
This will lead to your undoing. Brings a smile to me ol' face, it does.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Not surprised that you think that, given that you've never accurately understood a single thing I've written.
This will lead to your undoing. Brings a smile to me ol' face, it does.
I have understood everything you have written I just think the vast majority of your posts are snarky, snide, or abusive comments that add no value to the discussion and are meant solely for shock value and to get a rise out of people for attention. Every once in a while you will post something of value and those posts are easy to notice since you do not quote anyone and they are longer than one line.
Well Yoda, bring a smile to your face it does? OK, so exactly how will that be my undoing when you have told us time and time again that you do not have an iPhone. I didn't make that up or pull it from a hat, those are your words. You said you had won a 1st generation iPhone from a radio contest but that was the only iPhone you have ever owned. If you now own an iPhone then say so, at least then it wouldn't be quite so weird for you to obsess about the topic.
Patently false.
[QUOTE]...you have told us time and time again that you do not have an iPhone[/QUOTE]
Not once, anywhere, have I said that to anyone, in any form. You yourself just proved otherwise.
And you wonder why I dismiss offhand absolutely everything you've ever said!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Patently false.
Not once, anywhere, have I said that to anyone, in any form. You yourself just proved otherwise.
And you wonder why I dismiss offhand absolutely everything you've ever said!
Yeah you did. You said you won in in a local radio station contest it was the iPhone 1st gen and that is the only one you have ever owned. It was a while back and you typed many other info about yourself at that time which I can type here to help jog your memory if you like. I have a very good memory. Of course that was many months back and things might have changed. So do you have an iPhone other than the 1st generation iPhone you won in a radio contest or not? Very simple question.
I'd ask, incredulously, if you were listening to yourself, but that's obvious to even the illiterate who read the site.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
I'd ask, incredulously, if you were listening to yourself, but that's obvious to even the illiterate who read the site.
Nope, I just have a very good memory and remember exactly what you told us. Answer the question, do you have an iPhone or not? This is not top secret personal info. I have an iPhone 5 64GB model with Sprint. So tell us what phone you have TS.
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Originally Posted by tt92618
What, specifically, would you like me to justify? You seldom justify any of the inane pot-shots you take at people, why should anyone provide such justification to you?
When you want to actually exchange ideas and have real discussions, maybe you'll merit having someone do something other than shoot down what you say and dismiss it. Until then, expect to get treated like you treat others.
I see TS is making new friends! TS is the friendliest guy around......he just brings out the best in people.
tt92618 join the growing numbers of people that just find him so trollishly amusing. He never makes sense and never debates the points and make nonsensical one liner statements that make no sense. Look at my signature and you will find 2 really good ones.
Also TS was the guy that debated and emphatically stated the after the iPhone 4s......the next iPhone would NOT EVER be called the iPhone 5. It would be called the iPhone 6. Well we all know how that turned out.....just a couple examples of who you are arguing with. If you expect him to make sense....well you will be sorely disappointed.....
They fixed a lot of contrast issues on beta 2, hopefully they will do more. For example,you can now tell if your current phone call is muted.
People need to remember it is early beta. People actually using the beta should share their thoughts with Apple. (There is a site for that). For everyone else, it is ok to have an opinion, but stop acting like the world is coming to an end.
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Originally Posted by gwmac
So tell us what phone you have TS.
Oh I wanna play too, I have an Ericsson R380, what did I win.
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Originally Posted by Relic
Oh I want play too, I have an Ericsson R380, what did I win.
Where did you find that relic....ah Relic! :-) sorry couldn't resist!
BTW......love your sig
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Originally Posted by geekdad
Where did you find that relic....ah Relic! :-) sorry couldn't resist!
BTW......love your sig
I bought it in when it was new, paid 900 bucks for it, kept it because it was one of my favorite phones. I later moved on to a Nokia Communicator but the Ericsson will always hold a special place in my heart. It was my first smartphone after all.
I've been offered 500 CHF for it but I'll never let it go, it get's the highest geek rating over at http://www.geek.com/hwswrev/pda/ericr380/.
i am just simply say it's awesome ... Now a day it become a valuable technology for the users and business purposes, similarly it is used as for entertainment with a great interface and its multi-functional features create a great impact on all age group. Small businessmen and corporate all used its customized application competently and maintain the database securely. Further Apple makes the iPad application functionality to support the all iPhone and iPod apps that is the great approach.