Samsung is well position for mobile devices and TV integration. They have 1080p phones and they are a TV manufacturer leader. There problem is software, they cant integrate everything without Google. And Google could backstap them with a Nexus phone and Nexus TV. Apple strengh is complete control, as long as they do something with it, like before I die of old age.
HTC, Sony and others beat Samsung to market with 1080p displays.
Why is this iterative upgrade such a big "innovation"?
Unless the goal behind iOS 7 is multiple resolution scalability and easy adaptation to a broad range of devices, I dont see it a has major innovation. If its just to follow the flat interface trend for cosmetic reasons, its pretty dissapointing imo.
People see the cosmetic changes and forget about the new features like airdrop, control center, new multitasking, notification sync, camera modes/filter, to name a few..
I think ios7 has just as many new features as ios6 did when it was introduced.. (Correct me if I'm wrong)
Will it be nice, great or a revolution? The market is pricing the stock for the worst case scenario, which is an iphone 5s, a retina ipad mini and a new ipad 5. I think if Apple enter a significant new market like mobile games, console games or TV, then we get a rebound. Otherwise is more EPS declines, more unit sales declines and more market share lost.
Apple will enter new significant markets. Mobile payment and health market are almost a certainty. But when? Who knows?
HTC, Sony and others beat Samsung to market with 1080p displays.
Why is this iterative upgrade such a big "innovation"?
Apps that works (and look good) on all devices. For those companies problem is always software. If they put a layer up and do some coding, then you must have all of there devices for an integrated experience. If they let Google do it, then they are all the same and Google will come up with Nexus phones, tablets and TV's to compete with them.
But with a flat scalable interface and a spritekits, Apple is positionning themselves into easy handles of multiple resolutions for devs. So doing a 720p or 1080p phone and have greats multi-device apps may be a non issue now.
Apple will enter new significant markets. Mobile payment and health market are almost a certainty. But when? Who knows?
Yep, wearable devices is a great opportunity too. When is the question indeed.
I think mobile payment is this year big change for the iphone. NFC chip, fingerprint and solftware to go with it. Partnership with a credit card and they are gold. Its a nice to have feature, but imo more screen sizes and market segment models is what they need the most.
It's not so much about change, it's about knowing your core strengths and capitalizing on them. Steve Jobs knew this when he came back to Apple. Four main strengths he built the Apple of today on; branding, customer loyalty, design team, and media platform.
RIM should've expanded its messaging platform to other platforms much earlier on. Not only are they now dropping device sales, but eventually their innovative messaging service will disappear as well. Too many of their competitors have their own now - most damaging is iMessage. Which not only works across mobile devices but also their computers. Roughly 80% of the people I chat with on my iMac is done over Apple's iMessage service. And I see them eventually creating an online iMessage web app (as they have with iWork), so that Windows users can use the service.
In my opinion, if Apple offered more iCloud services via iCloud.com it would be game, set and match. FaceTime, iMessage and Maps might be the most critical services that are yet available cross platform.
Apple is underestimating the importance of a big screen and is being slow to adapt to this reality.
Same thing happened to blackberry (keyboard vs keyboardless screen)
If that's all it is it's an easy fix. Apple could field a range of screen sizes in very short order. Apple is not going to fail or become an also-ran in market share over screen size.
I go to the gym every day and most all have iPhones. Those that don't have Android with mostly normal sized screens. People aren't adopting giant-size phones in anything like the catastrophic BB scenario you suggest.
Ask an Android user. They're probably not all Anti-Apple Imbeciles.
In my experience, Android users fall into three categories:
1. Anti-Apple Imbeciles
appalled at the "walled garden" proclaiming the open strategy of Google "winning" while disregarding the massive malware problem stating that the problem is "ID10T" users while the Anti-Apple Imbecile fails to acknowledge that limiting to Google Play isn't foolproof and locks the user into an ecosystem just like Apple
denounce Apple pricing strategy which clearly leads to market leading innovation
proclaim Apple is evil for using Chinese labor (not recognizing the vast majority of all electronics are finished in China)
tout "open source" while not recognizing that Apple is the first major technology company to use an open source strategy (same people are almost always Microsoft users)
2. Do not know better and an Anti-Apple Imbecile has used their standard false arguments
3. Do not know better and have listened to advertising and marketing including the commissioned sales person
I haven't ever seen Apple interested in the Health or Healthcare market. I am always looking for opportunities in my field at Apple.
Did you not see the Apple videos that they showed, that were highlighting different usages of iOS devices like iPad, and how they were being used in the healthcare/medical field?
I think that there was one even shown on the last keynote, where you saw some doctor in Africa or someplace, visiting patients and using their iPad as an essential tool.
If that's all it is it's an easy fix. Apple could field a range of screen sizes in very short order. Apple is not going to fail or become an also-ran in market share over screen size.
I haven't seen any convincing argument in favor of larger screen size.
Apple competitors sell larger screen sizes because the devices originally required the space for the components, including battery as well as NFC and LTE components
Apple competitors found some success with larger devices because the larger devices had more features and functions as well as longer battery life; upon finding success the competitors began manufacturing millions of devices and spending heavily on advertising and marketing
Apple competitors do not now know how to design and manufacture a premium device in a smaller form factor and are fearful that if they did the product wouldn't sell as they have accustomed their customers to larger profiles which is why there aren't any smaller, premium devices from Apple competitors
Did you not see the Apple videos that they showed, that were highlighting different usages of iOS devices like iPad, and how they were being used in the healthcare/medical field?
I think that there was one even shown on the last keynote, where you saw some doctor in Africa or someplace, visiting patients and using their iPad as an essential tool.
Apple itself isn't in the healthcare market nor does Apple have any apparent intention of competing in healthcare.
Apple has simply made a phenomenal product and services that can be employed by virtually any sector, healthcare being one sector for which developers have made many apps.
In my experience, Android users fall into three categories:
Anti-Apple Imbeciles
appalled at the "walled garden" proclaiming the open strategy of Google "winning" while disregarding the massive malware problem stating that the problem is "ID10T" users while the Anti-Apple Imbecile fails to acknowledge that limiting to Google Play isn't foolproof and locks the user into an ecosystem just like Apple
denounce Apple pricing strategy which clearly leads to market leading innovation
proclaim Apple is evil for using Chinese labor (not recognizing the vast majority of all electronics are finished in China)
tout "open source" while not recognizing that Apple is the first major technology company to use an open source strategy (same people are almost always Microsoft users)
Do not know better and an Anti-Apple Imbecile has used their standard false arguments
Do not know better and have listened to advertising and marketing including the commissioned sales person
I have never seen a true open source OS initiative worked. Ubuntu is (was) manage by Mark Shuttleworth and Android may be free to use and modify, but its Google baby are there is no way in hell you are touching that code. You can only have the source of the complete release to play with.
Apple itself isn't in the healthcare market nor does Apple have any apparent intention of competing in healthcare.
Apple has simply made a phenomenal product and services that can be employed by virtually any sector, healthcare being one sector for which developers have made many apps.
Yes, of course Apple is not the one making any of those healthcare apps or software. Apple was just highlighting how their devices are being adopted and used by the healthcare and medical industry.
Yes, of course Apple is not the one making any of those healthcare apps or software. Apple was just highlighting how their devices are being adopted and used by the healthcare and medical industry.
Indeed. Saying that Apple is in healthcare now is like saying Dell is in heathcare because hospitals are using PC's.
Wearable medical devices that connects to an iphone and send data to a monitor could be a play. Maybe an Apple branded watch like device you get when you are hospitalise that monitor and send data to the nurse desk monitors (imacs). Then doctors moving into a patient room could catch it live on there ipad while seeing the patient. Software and interface to handle tests results like xrays and MRI straight into the patient file on hospital servers. (macpro)
I haven't ever seen Apple interested in the Health or Healthcare market. I am always looking for opportunities in my field at Apple.
I have seen some hints. Plus TC is an exercise junkie. I predict we will see some neat gadget in a few years, if not sooner. If Apple makes wearable device, one of the sell point will be Health-related.
Blackberry was slow to change and it cost them. They underestimated the iPhone. Apple doesn't underestimate the competition. It knows who it is. iOS 7 is a major change and I can't wait for new products that will use it. Apple adapts, others follow.
Still what's more surprising is that they still sell the play book.
Unless the goal behind iOS 7 is multiple resolution scalability and easy adaptation to a broad range of devices, I dont see it a has major innovation. If its just to follow the flat interface trend for cosmetic reasons, its pretty dissapointing imo.
Here are some interesting thoughts on the reasoning behind iOS7 *via Gruber):
I did not do much experimentation with iOS7 before it became available on the iPad (Old Eyes & Fat Fingers). I was not very impressed. Once I got it on the iPads, my opinion changed. It's hard to describe, but the UI gets even more out of the way than prior iOS releases -- there is less between you and your stuff and what you want to do. The brouhaha about the UI, the icons, the starkness of the apps -- fades, as you quickly gain command of the... the... the.., whatever you you want to do.
We can start from a baseline of the iPhone in 2007, and assume that everyone knows and understands that incarnation of a touch UI as a given. But 6 years have passed -- a lifetime in technology.
iOS 7 is much, much more than a flatter interface -- it is a more up to date way to deal with the power and capabilities of today's devices -- and lays the groundwork for the next several years technology advances.
The two links above may be on the mark -- that Apple is setting a new standard, which will take the competition several years to attain...
Manny, Moe and Jack are on a bear hunting trip. The first night they are sitting around the fire in their cabin in the woods -- laying out their strategies for stalking... After a while, Moe says: "you're making it too complicated -- tomorrow, I'll show you how to catch a bear, by myself... with no weapon".
The next morning, Moe tells Manny and Jack: "I am going into the woods, unarmed to find a bear and get him to chase me. I'll run back the cabin -- when I get close I'll start yelling...".
So Moe sets out and before long they hear this great commotion. Manny and Jack look out the window and see Moe being chased by this humongous bear.
Moe runs up on the porch with the bear close on his heals... At the last moment, Moe opens the door, and leaps aside as the bear goes crashing by him into the cabin...
Moe jumps back and slams the door, yelling: "You guys skin that one, and I'll go catch another!"
I have yet to talk to friend with iOS 7 complaining about it's new capabilities. Quite the contrary. They love the performance and function. Style needs a lot of polish, but the engine got a major upgrade.
It's what the phone can do. BBs were perfect when all people wanted to do was make calls, BBM, and email. SJ initially thought that the iPhone was complete until he was convinced to allow apps. Allowing devs to make the device that much better is what makes the iPhone as close to perfection as a phone can get.
What? Are you sure? They allow phone calls on an iPhone now?
Seriously, I have 3 teen-aged grandkids with iPhones -- I suspect that less than 5% of what they do on these devices involves phone calls. Texting, FaceTime, Social... sure -- but telephone calls? That's so 1875!
I have yet to talk to friend with iOS 7 complaining about it's new capabilities. Quite the contrary. They love the performance and function. Style needs a lot of polish, but the engine got a major upgrade.
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Originally Posted by herbapou
Samsung is well position for mobile devices and TV integration. They have 1080p phones and they are a TV manufacturer leader. There problem is software, they cant integrate everything without Google. And Google could backstap them with a Nexus phone and Nexus TV. Apple strengh is complete control, as long as they do something with it, like before I die of old age.
HTC, Sony and others beat Samsung to market with 1080p displays.
Why is this iterative upgrade such a big "innovation"?
People see the cosmetic changes and forget about the new features like airdrop, control center, new multitasking, notification sync, camera modes/filter, to name a few..
I think ios7 has just as many new features as ios6 did when it was introduced.. (Correct me if I'm wrong)
Apple will enter new significant markets. Mobile payment and health market are almost a certainty. But when? Who knows?
Quote:
Originally Posted by hill60
HTC, Sony and others beat Samsung to market with 1080p displays.
Why is this iterative upgrade such a big "innovation"?
Apps that works (and look good) on all devices. For those companies problem is always software. If they put a layer up and do some coding, then you must have all of there devices for an integrated experience. If they let Google do it, then they are all the same and Google will come up with Nexus phones, tablets and TV's to compete with them.
But with a flat scalable interface and a spritekits, Apple is positionning themselves into easy handles of multiple resolutions for devs. So doing a 720p or 1080p phone and have greats multi-device apps may be a non issue now.
Quote:
Originally Posted by matrix07
Apple will enter new significant markets. Mobile payment and health market are almost a certainty. But when? Who knows?
Yep, wearable devices is a great opportunity too. When is the question indeed.
I think mobile payment is this year big change for the iphone. NFC chip, fingerprint and solftware to go with it. Partnership with a credit card and they are gold. Its a nice to have feature, but imo more screen sizes and market segment models is what they need the most.
In my opinion, if Apple offered more iCloud services via iCloud.com it would be game, set and match. FaceTime, iMessage and Maps might be the most critical services that are yet available cross platform.
I go to the gym every day and most all have iPhones. Those that don't have Android with mostly normal sized screens. People aren't adopting giant-size phones in anything like the catastrophic BB scenario you suggest.
In my experience, Android users fall into three categories:
1. Anti-Apple Imbeciles
2. Do not know better and an Anti-Apple Imbecile has used their standard false arguments
3. Do not know better and have listened to advertising and marketing including the commissioned sales person
I haven't ever seen Apple interested in the Health or Healthcare market. I am always looking for opportunities in my field at Apple.
Quote:
Originally Posted by MacBook Pro
I haven't ever seen Apple interested in the Health or Healthcare market. I am always looking for opportunities in my field at Apple.
Did you not see the Apple videos that they showed, that were highlighting different usages of iOS devices like iPad, and how they were being used in the healthcare/medical field?
I think that there was one even shown on the last keynote, where you saw some doctor in Africa or someplace, visiting patients and using their iPad as an essential tool.
I haven't seen any convincing argument in favor of larger screen size.
Apple itself isn't in the healthcare market nor does Apple have any apparent intention of competing in healthcare.
Apple has simply made a phenomenal product and services that can be employed by virtually any sector, healthcare being one sector for which developers have made many apps.
Quote:
Originally Posted by MacBook Pro
In my experience, Android users fall into three categories:
Anti-Apple Imbeciles
appalled at the "walled garden" proclaiming the open strategy of Google "winning" while disregarding the massive malware problem stating that the problem is "ID10T" users while the Anti-Apple Imbecile fails to acknowledge that limiting to Google Play isn't foolproof and locks the user into an ecosystem just like Apple
denounce Apple pricing strategy which clearly leads to market leading innovation
proclaim Apple is evil for using Chinese labor (not recognizing the vast majority of all electronics are finished in China)
tout "open source" while not recognizing that Apple is the first major technology company to use an open source strategy (same people are almost always Microsoft users)
Do not know better and an Anti-Apple Imbecile has used their standard false arguments
Do not know better and have listened to advertising and marketing including the commissioned sales person
I have never seen a true open source OS initiative worked. Ubuntu is (was) manage by Mark Shuttleworth and Android may be free to use and modify, but its Google baby are there is no way in hell you are touching that code. You can only have the source of the complete release to play with.
Quote:
Originally Posted by MacBook Pro
Apple itself isn't in the healthcare market nor does Apple have any apparent intention of competing in healthcare.
Apple has simply made a phenomenal product and services that can be employed by virtually any sector, healthcare being one sector for which developers have made many apps.
Yes, of course Apple is not the one making any of those healthcare apps or software. Apple was just highlighting how their devices are being adopted and used by the healthcare and medical industry.
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Originally Posted by Apple ][
Yes, of course Apple is not the one making any of those healthcare apps or software. Apple was just highlighting how their devices are being adopted and used by the healthcare and medical industry.
Indeed. Saying that Apple is in healthcare now is like saying Dell is in heathcare because hospitals are using PC's.
Wearable medical devices that connects to an iphone and send data to a monitor could be a play. Maybe an Apple branded watch like device you get when you are hospitalise that monitor and send data to the nurse desk monitors (imacs). Then doctors moving into a patient room could catch it live on there ipad while seeing the patient. Software and interface to handle tests results like xrays and MRI straight into the patient file on hospital servers. (macpro)
I have seen some hints. Plus TC is an exercise junkie. I predict we will see some neat gadget in a few years, if not sooner. If Apple makes wearable device, one of the sell point will be Health-related.
Here are some interesting thoughts on the reasoning behind iOS7 *via Gruber):
http://www.marco.org/2013/06/27/ios7-as-defense
http://www.allenpike.com/2013/ios7-catch-me-if-you-can/
I did not do much experimentation with iOS7 before it became available on the iPad (Old Eyes & Fat Fingers). I was not very impressed. Once I got it on the iPads, my opinion changed. It's hard to describe, but the UI gets even more out of the way than prior iOS releases -- there is less between you and your stuff and what you want to do. The brouhaha about the UI, the icons, the starkness of the apps -- fades, as you quickly gain command of the... the... the.., whatever you you want to do.
We can start from a baseline of the iPhone in 2007, and assume that everyone knows and understands that incarnation of a touch UI as a given. But 6 years have passed -- a lifetime in technology.
iOS 7 is much, much more than a flatter interface -- it is a more up to date way to deal with the power and capabilities of today's devices -- and lays the groundwork for the next several years technology advances.
The two links above may be on the mark -- that Apple is setting a new standard, which will take the competition several years to attain...
Manny, Moe and Jack are on a bear hunting trip. The first night they are sitting around the fire in their cabin in the woods -- laying out their strategies for stalking... After a while, Moe says: "you're making it too complicated -- tomorrow, I'll show you how to catch a bear, by myself... with no weapon".
The next morning, Moe tells Manny and Jack: "I am going into the woods, unarmed to find a bear and get him to chase me. I'll run back the cabin -- when I get close I'll start yelling...".
So Moe sets out and before long they hear this great commotion. Manny and Jack look out the window and see Moe being chased by this humongous bear.
Moe runs up on the porch with the bear close on his heals... At the last moment, Moe opens the door, and leaps aside as the bear goes crashing by him into the cabin...
Moe jumps back and slams the door, yelling: "You guys skin that one, and I'll go catch another!"
What? Are you sure? They allow phone calls on an iPhone now?
Seriously, I have 3 teen-aged grandkids with iPhones -- I suspect that less than 5% of what they do on these devices involves phone calls. Texting, FaceTime, Social... sure -- but telephone calls? That's so 1875!
Bingo! Best post of the day!