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I did not do much experimentation with iOS7 before it became available on the iPad (Old Eyes & Fat Fingers). I was not very impressed. Once I got it on the iPads, my opinion changed. It's hard to describe, but the UI gets even more out of the way than prior iOS releases -- there is less between you and your stuff and what you want to do. The brouhaha about the UI, the icons, the starkness of the apps -- fades, as you quickly gain command of the... the... the.., whatever you you want to do.
iOS 7 is much, much more than a flatter interface -- it is a more up to date way to deal with the power and capabilities of today's devices -- and lays the groundwork for the next several years technology advances.
Well, the flat interface concept is all about less UI and more functions. Maybe some people only see looks, but its all about functions. Looks like they made a decent job from you're comments. It may lays the groundwork for more to come indeed, but unfortuanatly I am getting worried Apple can still really innovate. It sure looks like they are building the foundation of something, but they need to make something soon because inaction is hurting there image at the moment.
Look at market perception ATM: Quote from CNBC fast money
Quote:
"let's talk about apple.it's still trading below 400bucks.pete, you have called this asecond half story for thelast --for six months.i have been talking about thisbeing a second half story.tim cooing is going to have tocome through allotted more thanhe did at the conference.they did not deliver.tim cook didn't wow anybody andobviously there were a fewupdates given out there.jon has some background stair alittle bit on possibly what'sgoing on with the phone.i think they still have tocompete with samsung with thebigger model phone.i think that's important becausepeople are watching videos.they're doing everything.these are computers, they're notjust phones anymore.that's a mistake and they'relate to the party.they might be too late.if it doesn't happen within thenext few months --here is how i look at apple.it was the company that wasthree steps ahead.now it's the fat dog with theshort legs running to keep upand it's not making it --you're right.they're months behind.you have google coming outwith the watch.google working on tv.they're late to the party andit's all about trend and fad andtechnology"
Apple should have seen the evolution of smartphone into small computers in 2011 and make 2 high end models for 2012. Instead it lock in into making the best possible 2007 concept of a smartphone and they are now behind.
Depends. If combined with game control APi's and an Apple TV that support games, then we have something. Otherwise all we will get is more games on the app stores. Well, with the combination of sizable flat interface, control api's and spritekit, we may get somewhere indeed.
If Apple nail the portable game market is will be nice. But if Apple put up something that revamp both the portable and console game markets, now we have something great. And if Apple revamp the portable game market, the game console market and the TV market in one blow, now we have a true revolution.
Will it be nice, great or a revolution? The market is pricing the stock for the worst case scenario, which is an iphone 5s, a retina ipad mini and a new ipad 5. I think if Apple enter a significant new market like mobile games, console games or TV, then we get a rebound. Otherwise is more EPS declines, more unit sales declines and more market share lost.
I'm not sure how you figure this. Apple is not losing market share or unit shares and EPS drops seemed to be more the massive ramp ups need to support the new iPhone 5, retina laptops and new iMac.
You might be missing it, but Apple is already destroying the mobile game market and portable computer with a little thing called the iPhone. Again, I think you are looking for a spec list and not an integration list. All of Apple's stuff that I saw on WWDC seemed pretty darned good and actually useful as opposed to say, Airtouch or "global panarama".
I have yet to talk to friend with iOS 7 complaining about it's new capabilities. Quite the contrary. They love the performance and function. Style needs a lot of polish, but the engine got a major upgrade.
While admittedly not empirical data, I've been querying all of my daughter's finger popping, 20 something, iPhone owning hipster friends that she hangs out with and without exception they 'can't wait' to get iOS7 on their iPhones. True, they may think something different when that actually happens, but I'm guessing all the doom and gloom purveyors predicting an iOS7 'fail' will soon learn that they are clutching their pocket protectors too tightly.
Well, the flat interface concept is all about less UI and more functions. Maybe some people only see looks, but its all about functions. Looks like they made a decent job from you're comments. It may lays the groundwork for more to come indeed, but unfortuanatly I am getting worried Apple can still really innovate. It sure looks like they are building the foundation of something, but they need to make something soon because inaction is hurting there image at the moment.
Look at market perception ATM: Quote from CNBC fast money.
Apple should have seen the evolution of smartphone into small computers in 2011 and make 2 high end models for 2012. Instead it lock in into making the best possible 2007 concept of a smartphone and they are now behind.
So you can copy-n-paste... but you forgot to read where it's coming from! I mean really, they state their one and only goal in their byline... so I'm not taking their rant seriously in the least.
Your's either. Since you're closer physically, intellectually and strategically to those BB-Bums in Windsor, what ya say you stick to figuring out what you can do to help your countrymen. Because your understanding of Apple and what makes them tick and work, and them actually understanding what "skating to where the puck is going to be", leaves me skeptical if you know anything about... well... anything.
Look at market perception ATM: Quote from CNBC fast money
Apple should have seen the evolution of smartphone into small computers in 2011 and make 2 high end models for 2012. Instead it lock in into making the best possible 2007 concept of a smartphone and they are now behind.
Yea, because analysts are always right. /s these are probably the same persons that said Apple missed the netbook revolution and derided the iPad as a big iPhone.
The iPhone is a small computer. What does size have to do with it.
What can the GS4 or HTC One do better than the iPhone? Nothing except contract malware.
Blackberry is a total disaster, and if you check out the crackberry forum, as I have done in the past when I needed a few laughs, you'll quickly find out that many people who still support Blackberry, only do so because they're Canadian. How pathetic is that?
Those people are totally deluded and they continue to make excuses for Blackberry, even though they've failed on many of the things that they've promised to deliver.
I've said this before, but Blackberry should quit the tech business and begin making maple syrup instead.
Well, if you consider the fact that Justin Bieber is Canadian, it doesn't surprise me. I just couldn't resist.
Yea, because analysts are always right. /s these are probably the same persons that said Apple missed the netbook revolution and derided the iPad as a big iPhone.
The iPhone is a small computer. What does size have to do with it.
What can the GS4 or HTC One do better than the iPhone? Nothing except contract malware.
You can root the OS and everything. Plus, they have widgets. Actually, the big thing they think Android is better is being able to modify the OS, transferring files back and forth to other devices, and a lot of the Android higher end models have built in MicroSD cards.
You can root the OS and everything. Plus, they have widgets. Actually, the big thing they think Android is better is being able to modify the OS, transferring files back and forth to other devices, and a lot of the Android higher end models have built in MicroSD cards.
Because the everyday user is going to do any of that. I had a MicroSD card in my old phone. Never took it out. As for transferring files, throw it in Dropbox or airdrop.
Because the everyday user is going to do any of that. I had a MicroSD card in my old phone. Never took it out. As for transferring files, throw it in Dropbox or airdrop.
In my experience, Android users fall into three categories:
Anti-Apple Imbeciles
appalled at the "walled garden" proclaiming the open strategy of Google "winning" while disregarding the massive malware problem stating that the problem is "ID10T" users while the Anti-Apple Imbecile fails to acknowledge that limiting to Google Play isn't foolproof and locks the user into an ecosystem just like Apple
denounce Apple pricing strategy which clearly leads to market leading innovation
proclaim Apple is evil for using Chinese labor (not recognizing the vast majority of all electronics are finished in China)
tout "open source" while not recognizing that Apple is the first major technology company to use an open source strategy (same people are almost always Microsoft users)
Do not know better and an Anti-Apple Imbecile has used their standard false arguments
Do not know better and have listened to advertising and marketing including the commissioned sales person
You said 3 categories yet you listed 4, proofread next time. I would also add a great many people that stopped waiting for the iPhone to appear on their carrier and went to Android and stood with Android, and are not part of the 'Anti-Apple Brigade'.
So you can copy-n-paste... but you forgot to read where it's coming from! I mean really, they state their one and only goal in their byline... so I'm not taking their rant seriously in the least.
Your's either. Since you're closer physically, intellectually and strategically to those BB-Bums in Windsor, what ya say you stick to figuring out what you can do to help your countrymen. Because your understanding of Apple and what makes them tick and work, and them actually understanding what "skating to where the puck is going to be", leaves me skeptical if you know anything about... well... anything.
Hey, I am not saying they will be right, they are often wrong. But sentiment is pretty low atm. That being said, I do believe Apple can turn this around, so I do have real money betting on this. But my confidence is not strong as it could be, giving the lastest product annoncement hiatus. But they could still have a great plan and iOS 7 is a key part of the new upcomming hardware, so they had to delay all hardware (upgrades/new) to fall.
What can the GS4 or HTC One do better than the iPhone? Nothing except contract malware.
Third party programs can integrate more seamlessly into android because the intents system lets a program pass data to other programs while assuming nothing about the identities of the recipients. For all ``intents" and purposes android does not distinguish between first-party or third-party apps. Thus a user who prefers third-party apps over factory-supplied ones might feel more comfortable on android.
Also, in android you can attach any file to an email directly from the compose screen, just like you would do on a mac or windows machine. To attach anything other than images on IOS requires a somewhat clumsier workflow.
Because the everyday user is going to do any of that. I had a MicroSD card in my old phone. Never took it out.
Right. Not taking it out is the whole point these days.
It's no longer about moving memory cards around, it's about being able to do an upgrade of your phone's memory for up to hundreds of dollars less than paying for it to come built-in.
Most people buy their phone and then get a high capacity microSD card, stick it in, and that's that. The only time they might take it out, is if they want to reuse the card on their next phone, to save even more money over the long term.
I'm sure there's a lot of people who would love to be able to pop in another 64GB in their iPhone for less than $60.
The new textkit and spritekit are massive and impressive undertakings. These are not 'small' things. Breakthroughs? No, no antigravity boots or travelling in tubes.
You could also mention the new physics engine, and a bunch of other things but "herbapou" still won't ever agree. His posts might as well all have been written by "Debbie Downer."
Worse than that, comebacks almost never happen in the business world. Apple is actually a very, very rare exception in that way.
Once blackberry shifted to servicing their existing users and not adding new users, they were already dead. This was long before the BB10 came out. You can see it plain as day in their sales charts. Articles were written about it almost two years ago.
The only way to reverse such a trend is to come out with new products that drive a Huge waver of adoption and generate newcustomers. It's arguable that even the BB10 sales (3 million units?) are similarly just maintenance for their existing faithful customers but even if some of them are new customers (let's say half), that is still a drop in the bucket. It means that since about 2009 or so, Blackberry may have added a few million new users tops, while iPhone has added maybe 100 times that.
They are doomed now just as they were already doomed before the BB10 became available. A great deal of the reason for finishing and selling it, is to make the hardware side of their business more attractive for a takeover or a sale. Anyone with any business sense could see the writing on the wall for the company as a whole for a long time now.
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum
I did not do much experimentation with iOS7 before it became available on the iPad (Old Eyes & Fat Fingers). I was not very impressed. Once I got it on the iPads, my opinion changed. It's hard to describe, but the UI gets even more out of the way than prior iOS releases -- there is less between you and your stuff and what you want to do. The brouhaha about the UI, the icons, the starkness of the apps -- fades, as you quickly gain command of the... the... the.., whatever you you want to do.
iOS 7 is much, much more than a flatter interface -- it is a more up to date way to deal with the power and capabilities of today's devices -- and lays the groundwork for the next several years technology advances.
Well, the flat interface concept is all about less UI and more functions. Maybe some people only see looks, but its all about functions. Looks like they made a decent job from you're comments. It may lays the groundwork for more to come indeed, but unfortuanatly I am getting worried Apple can still really innovate. It sure looks like they are building the foundation of something, but they need to make something soon because inaction is hurting there image at the moment.
Look at market perception ATM: Quote from CNBC fast money
Quote:
"let's talk about apple. it's still trading below 400 bucks. pete, you have called this a second half story for the last -- for six months. i have been talking about this being a second half story. tim cooing is going to have to come through allotted more than he did at the conference. they did not deliver. tim cook didn't wow anybody and obviously there were a few updates given out there. jon has some background stair a little bit on possibly what's going on with the phone. i think they still have to compete with samsung with the bigger model phone. i think that's important because people are watching videos. they're doing everything. these are computers, they're not just phones anymore. that's a mistake and they're late to the party. they might be too late. if it doesn't happen within the next few months -- here is how i look at apple. it was the company that was three steps ahead. now it's the fat dog with the short legs running to keep up and it's not making it -- you're right. they're months behind. you have google coming out with the watch. google working on tv. they're late to the party and it's all about trend and fad and technology"
Apple should have seen the evolution of smartphone into small computers in 2011 and make 2 high end models for 2012. Instead it lock in into making the best possible 2007 concept of a smartphone and they are now behind.
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Originally Posted by herbapou
Depends. If combined with game control APi's and an Apple TV that support games, then we have something. Otherwise all we will get is more games on the app stores. Well, with the combination of sizable flat interface, control api's and spritekit, we may get somewhere indeed.
If Apple nail the portable game market is will be nice. But if Apple put up something that revamp both the portable and console game markets, now we have something great. And if Apple revamp the portable game market, the game console market and the TV market in one blow, now we have a true revolution.
Will it be nice, great or a revolution? The market is pricing the stock for the worst case scenario, which is an iphone 5s, a retina ipad mini and a new ipad 5. I think if Apple enter a significant new market like mobile games, console games or TV, then we get a rebound. Otherwise is more EPS declines, more unit sales declines and more market share lost.
I'm not sure how you figure this. Apple is not losing market share or unit shares and EPS drops seemed to be more the massive ramp ups need to support the new iPhone 5, retina laptops and new iMac.
You might be missing it, but Apple is already destroying the mobile game market and portable computer with a little thing called the iPhone. Again, I think you are looking for a spec list and not an integration list. All of Apple's stuff that I saw on WWDC seemed pretty darned good and actually useful as opposed to say, Airtouch or "global panarama".
I don't get the nastiness here about RIM. Who knows, Apple could be next if you listen to some analysts...and the Samdroids.
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Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer
I have yet to talk to friend with iOS 7 complaining about it's new capabilities. Quite the contrary. They love the performance and function. Style needs a lot of polish, but the engine got a major upgrade.
While admittedly not empirical data, I've been querying all of my daughter's finger popping, 20 something, iPhone owning hipster friends that she hangs out with and without exception they 'can't wait' to get iOS7 on their iPhones. True, they may think something different when that actually happens, but I'm guessing all the doom and gloom purveyors predicting an iOS7 'fail' will soon learn that they are clutching their pocket protectors too tightly.
U know , Mr market loves to bullshit on Apple , what Mr.market says about Apple is something only stupid will trust .
So you can copy-n-paste... but you forgot to read where it's coming from! I mean really, they state their one and only goal in their byline... so I'm not taking their rant seriously in the least.
Your's either. Since you're closer physically, intellectually and strategically to those BB-Bums in Windsor, what ya say you stick to figuring out what you can do to help your countrymen. Because your understanding of Apple and what makes them tick and work, and them actually understanding what "skating to where the puck is going to be", leaves me skeptical if you know anything about... well... anything.
Yea, because analysts are always right. /s these are probably the same persons that said Apple missed the netbook revolution and derided the iPad as a big iPhone.
The iPhone is a small computer. What does size have to do with it.
What can the GS4 or HTC One do better than the iPhone? Nothing except contract malware.
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Originally Posted by Apple ][
Blackberry is a total disaster, and if you check out the crackberry forum, as I have done in the past when I needed a few laughs, you'll quickly find out that many people who still support Blackberry, only do so because they're Canadian. How pathetic is that?
Those people are totally deluded and they continue to make excuses for Blackberry, even though they've failed on many of the things that they've promised to deliver.
I've said this before, but Blackberry should quit the tech business and begin making maple syrup instead.
Well, if you consider the fact that Justin Bieber is Canadian, it doesn't surprise me. I just couldn't resist.
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Originally Posted by jungmark
Yea, because analysts are always right. /s these are probably the same persons that said Apple missed the netbook revolution and derided the iPad as a big iPhone.
The iPhone is a small computer. What does size have to do with it.
What can the GS4 or HTC One do better than the iPhone? Nothing except contract malware.
You can root the OS and everything. Plus, they have widgets. Actually, the big thing they think Android is better is being able to modify the OS, transferring files back and forth to other devices, and a lot of the Android higher end models have built in MicroSD cards.
Because the everyday user is going to do any of that. I had a MicroSD card in my old phone. Never took it out. As for transferring files, throw it in Dropbox or airdrop.
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Originally Posted by jungmark
Because the everyday user is going to do any of that. I had a MicroSD card in my old phone. Never took it out. As for transferring files, throw it in Dropbox or airdrop.
I know, but try to tell an Android user.
You said 3 categories yet you listed 4, proofread next time. I would also add a great many people that stopped waiting for the iPhone to appear on their carrier and went to Android and stood with Android, and are not part of the 'Anti-Apple Brigade'.
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Originally Posted by ThePixelDoc
So you can copy-n-paste... but you forgot to read where it's coming from! I mean really, they state their one and only goal in their byline... so I'm not taking their rant seriously in the least.
Your's either. Since you're closer physically, intellectually and strategically to those BB-Bums in Windsor, what ya say you stick to figuring out what you can do to help your countrymen. Because your understanding of Apple and what makes them tick and work, and them actually understanding what "skating to where the puck is going to be", leaves me skeptical if you know anything about... well... anything.
Hey, I am not saying they will be right, they are often wrong. But sentiment is pretty low atm. That being said, I do believe Apple can turn this around, so I do have real money betting on this. But my confidence is not strong as it could be, giving the lastest product annoncement hiatus. But they could still have a great plan and iOS 7 is a key part of the new upcomming hardware, so they had to delay all hardware (upgrades/new) to fall.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jungmark
What can the GS4 or HTC One do better than the iPhone? Nothing except contract malware.
Third party programs can integrate more seamlessly into android because the intents system lets a program pass data to other programs while assuming nothing about the identities of the recipients. For all ``intents" and purposes android does not distinguish between first-party or third-party apps. Thus a user who prefers third-party apps over factory-supplied ones might feel more comfortable on android.
Also, in android you can attach any file to an email directly from the compose screen, just like you would do on a mac or windows machine. To attach anything other than images on IOS requires a somewhat clumsier workflow.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jungmark
Because the everyday user is going to do any of that. I had a MicroSD card in my old phone. Never took it out.
Right. Not taking it out is the whole point these days.
It's no longer about moving memory cards around, it's about being able to do an upgrade of your phone's memory for up to hundreds of dollars less than paying for it to come built-in.
Most people buy their phone and then get a high capacity microSD card, stick it in, and that's that. The only time they might take it out, is if they want to reuse the card on their next phone, to save even more money over the long term.
I'm sure there's a lot of people who would love to be able to pop in another 64GB in their iPhone for less than $60.
Quote:
Originally Posted by dugbug
The new textkit and spritekit are massive and impressive undertakings. These are not 'small' things. Breakthroughs? No, no antigravity boots or travelling in tubes.
You could also mention the new physics engine, and a bunch of other things but "herbapou" still won't ever agree. His posts might as well all have been written by "Debbie Downer."
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Originally Posted by dasanman69
Comebacks are rarely instantaneous.
Worse than that, comebacks almost never happen in the business world. Apple is actually a very, very rare exception in that way.
Once blackberry shifted to servicing their existing users and not adding new users, they were already dead. This was long before the BB10 came out. You can see it plain as day in their sales charts. Articles were written about it almost two years ago.
The only way to reverse such a trend is to come out with new products that drive a Huge waver of adoption and generate new customers. It's arguable that even the BB10 sales (3 million units?) are similarly just maintenance for their existing faithful customers but even if some of them are new customers (let's say half), that is still a drop in the bucket. It means that since about 2009 or so, Blackberry may have added a few million new users tops, while iPhone has added maybe 100 times that.
They are doomed now just as they were already doomed before the BB10 became available. A great deal of the reason for finishing and selling it, is to make the hardware side of their business more attractive for a takeover or a sale. Anyone with any business sense could see the writing on the wall for the company as a whole for a long time now.