WhoIsYoMacDaddy - MacManFelix did have it correct. The article originally stated "...around the U.S...." and it was updated.
This is what I thought also.
What the writers at AppleInsider should really do here however is use strikethrough text so the readers can see the alterations. This is standard practice around the web.
If they did this as policy, they might have a revelation in that they could see exactly how often they are fucking up and maybe takes steps to be more careful.
I wonder why such a crap has highest customer rating every year. Care to explain?
No. Has nothing to do with my point. I don't want them on my phone, but I can't delete them, that's my point. Allowing me to delete them would not be a massively difficult thing for Apple to do, so I think it's a bit rich how they block their partners from putting compulsory "bloatware" on their devices, when from some perspectives (mine, and some others) that's exactly what Apple does. I don't claim to be in the majority.
Also, do you really think that Compass.app has anything to do with Apple's high customer sat?
There's a difference, the average iPhone user (and the vast majority) uses mail, safari, calendar, clock, etc. why make the vast majority download them?
Never said anything about Apple making the vast majority download them. I want Apple to allow the opinionated minority to delete them.
I entirely agree that I don't want any bloat ware on my iPhone. So much so that not being able to delete the Apple apps that I consider bloatware (Stocks, Weather, Calendar, Compass, Voice Memos, Clock, Videos, News Stand, Games Center, Mail, Safari) bugs me.
I want Apple to be stubborn in keeping crap that I don't want or need off my phone. I wish they'd turn that stubbornness to be inward-facing.
This is a good point. While opinions differ on which apps are "bloatware" I don't know anyone who doesn't have at least a few Apple apps on the last home screen page in a folder that's invariably called "Apple crap."
I find Stocks particularly bad in that only some rich capitalist from the US really wants that ever. The vast majority of the public doesn't have any interest in the stock market and it's only really there because every Apple employee is looking at their stock options. So offensive.
My biggest hate however is reserved for "Game Centre" which not only cannot be removed, it cannot be successfully deactivated because a lot of games you install, automatically wake up Game Centre and sign you in (by means of some faulty API I suppose). I am constantly having to go to Game Centre after using a game to log myself out. I find it a real problem that another app can sign me in without my knowledge or interaction.
I find Stocks particularly bad in that only some rich capitalist from the US really wants that ever.
Actually, I doubt even they want it, there are far better apps for checking stocks in the App store. I use Bloomberg, because it also has pretty good stock news.
There's a difference, the average iPhone user (and the vast majority) uses mail, safari, calendar, clock, etc. why make the vast majority download them?
I bet the vast majority of NTT's users don't use NTT's crap ware.
I big to differ seeing as how the most popular apps are games. It's obvious that the vast majority of people use the iPhone as a hand held gaming console than for productivity.
When you pay the sort of money required for the iPhone, what you're paying for is blank slate to customise as you wish from a safe, and yes walled, environment (apart from Apple standard apps). I think the smartphone generation looks to carriers as essentially service providers, for isn't that definition of "carrier". Personally, I would have loved to see an integrated SIM card, which yes must be activated for a specific carrier at an Apple Store or carrier store. Since the carrier lock is essentially a software/database lock, I don't understand why carriers made such a fuss...
The article actually said "NTT DoCoMo is one of just a handful of major carriers outside of the U.S. that does not offer the iPhone." I can handle fanboys or trolls but the most annoying comments are those who quote incorrectly.
Thanks, d-bag! Since I used copy/paste, it’s obvious the article was corrected after my post, because of my post. Way to jump to conclusions; and thanks for needlessly insulting me too!
I can understand NTT DoCoMo's position. They're one of the few carriers worldwide who've managed to create custom services that users actually want. Their brand value is way higher than any Western carrier.
They've been leaking customers for several reasons, the largest being the fairly recent (i.e. in the last 4.5 years) introduction of number portability. I'm sure people are leaving for the iPhone too.
NTT was a government owned monopoly starting back in 1952. AT&T used to be essentially the same thing as NTT which was established back in 1885. Kind of interesting.
At least Apple has the two others that represent basically the other half of Japan's business.
NTT needs to get their heads out of their collective asses.
Also, do you really think that Compass.app has anything to do with Apple's high customer sat?
So now "Stocks, Weather, Calendar, Compass, Voice Memos, Clock, Videos, News Stand, Games Center, Mail, Safari" are reduced to just Compass? Interesting.
I entirely agree that I don't want any bloat ware on my iPhone. So much so that not being able to delete the Apple apps that I consider bloatware (Stocks, Weather, Calendar, Compass, Voice Memos, Clock, Videos, News Stand, Games Center, Mail, Safari) bugs me.
I want Apple to be stubborn in keeping crap that I don't want or need off my phone. I wish they'd turn that stubbornness to be inward-facing.
Well, at least in iOS7 you'll be able to throw every single app that bugs you into a single folder, which will at most take up 1 icon on your screen.
EDIT: Ok, just noticed you pretty much listed every single built in app as "bloatware", including mail and safari, which pretty much makes you a troll.
The article actually said "NTT DoCoMo is one of just a handful of major carriers outside of the U.S. that does not offer the iPhone." I can handle fanboys or trolls but the most annoying comments are those who quote incorrectly.
Ever thought of the possibilty that AI read that post and altered their article with "outside of the U.S."?
Oh crud, never mind, saw that a few other brilliant people came to the same logical conclusion as I...
Judging by how often there are typos and other errors in AppleInsider articles, what are the odds that he was correct and that the author fixed the piece silently?
... Of course, some people want to be able to delete even the standard Apple apps, but i don't see the difference between hiding them in a folder and deleting them. They don't take up a ton of space.
The difference is that many of the standard Apple apps provide services that other apps need to be able to depend on. The other difference is that it's necessary to provide certain services, that have nothing to do with carriers, on a smartphone so that all users, regardless of carrier, can have the same minimally useful user experience on a smartphone out of the box. So it's somewhat impractical to not have them baked into the firmware, especially when you consider the history of the iPhone where there was no App Store on the initial release.
Clearly the difference in perspective between NTT DoCoMo and Apple in this instance is that NTT DoCoMo wants all the phones on their network to be "their" phones, whereas Apple wants all iPhones to be Apple phones. NTT DoCoMo should just cut their losses and stop trying to be AOL in an age where people don't want to be locked into private Internets.
I bet the vast majority of NTT's users don't use NTT's crap ware.
And you base that on...?
NTT DoCoMo is/was the carrier that everyone tried (and failed) to emulate. NTT DoCoMo's i-mode service is easily the most successful carrier-exclusive service of all time.
If you've only had experience of western carriers, it's hard to understand how different NTT DoCoMo operates.
I big to differ seeing as how the most popular apps are games. It's obvious that the vast majority of people use the iPhone as a hand held gaming console than for productivity.
I don't know how you can come to that conclusion. That's like saying the majority of TV users use it it play games and not watch TV since console gaming is a multi billion dollar industry.
Thank you, for providing the slightly more detailed background that the authors of the article should have. I know nothing about Japan's telecoms but my first thought on reading this article was that they were oversimplifying and also making some sweeping assumptions that this was all down to Apple when it likely wasn't.
SoftBank and the iPhone are certainly the reason for DoCoMo losing so many customers over the past few years. DoCoMo's coverage is second to none in Japan, so it takes something exceptional for people to leave them.The gains that SoftBank have made have been at DoCoMo's expense and I'm fairly certain SoftBank credits the iPhone as the reason.
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Originally Posted by diz_geek
WhoIsYoMacDaddy - MacManFelix did have it correct. The article originally stated "...around the U.S...." and it was updated.
This is what I thought also.
What the writers at AppleInsider should really do here however is use strikethrough text so the readers can see the alterations. This is standard practice around the web.
If they did this as policy, they might have a revelation in that they could see exactly how often they are fucking up and maybe takes steps to be more careful.
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Originally Posted by matrix07
I wonder why such a crap has highest customer rating every year. Care to explain?
No. Has nothing to do with my point. I don't want them on my phone, but I can't delete them, that's my point. Allowing me to delete them would not be a massively difficult thing for Apple to do, so I think it's a bit rich how they block their partners from putting compulsory "bloatware" on their devices, when from some perspectives (mine, and some others) that's exactly what Apple does. I don't claim to be in the majority.
Also, do you really think that Compass.app has anything to do with Apple's high customer sat?
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Originally Posted by jungmark
There's a difference, the average iPhone user (and the vast majority) uses mail, safari, calendar, clock, etc. why make the vast majority download them?
Never said anything about Apple making the vast majority download them. I want Apple to allow the opinionated minority to delete them.
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Originally Posted by Crowley
I entirely agree that I don't want any bloat ware on my iPhone. So much so that not being able to delete the Apple apps that I consider bloatware (Stocks, Weather, Calendar, Compass, Voice Memos, Clock, Videos, News Stand, Games Center, Mail, Safari) bugs me.
I want Apple to be stubborn in keeping crap that I don't want or need off my phone. I wish they'd turn that stubbornness to be inward-facing.
This is a good point. While opinions differ on which apps are "bloatware" I don't know anyone who doesn't have at least a few Apple apps on the last home screen page in a folder that's invariably called "Apple crap."
I find Stocks particularly bad in that only some rich capitalist from the US really wants that ever. The vast majority of the public doesn't have any interest in the stock market and it's only really there because every Apple employee is looking at their stock options. So offensive.
My biggest hate however is reserved for "Game Centre" which not only cannot be removed, it cannot be successfully deactivated because a lot of games you install, automatically wake up Game Centre and sign you in (by means of some faulty API I suppose). I am constantly having to go to Game Centre after using a game to log myself out. I find it a real problem that another app can sign me in without my knowledge or interaction.
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee
I find Stocks particularly bad in that only some rich capitalist from the US really wants that ever.
Actually, I doubt even they want it, there are far better apps for checking stocks in the App store. I use Bloomberg, because it also has pretty good stock news.
I big to differ seeing as how the most popular apps are games. It's obvious that the vast majority of people use the iPhone as a hand held gaming console than for productivity.
I think the smartphone generation looks to carriers as essentially service providers, for isn't that definition of "carrier".
Personally, I would have loved to see an integrated SIM card, which yes must be activated for a specific carrier at an Apple Store or carrier store. Since the carrier lock is essentially a software/database lock, I don't understand why carriers made such a fuss...
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Originally Posted by WhoIsYoMacDaddy
The article actually said "NTT DoCoMo is one of just a handful of major carriers outside of the U.S. that does not offer the iPhone." I can handle fanboys or trolls but the most annoying comments are those who quote incorrectly.
Thanks, d-bag! Since I used copy/paste, it’s obvious the article was corrected after my post, because of my post. Way to jump to conclusions; and thanks for needlessly insulting me too!
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Originally Posted by RichL
I can understand NTT DoCoMo's position. They're one of the few carriers worldwide who've managed to create custom services that users actually want. Their brand value is way higher than any Western carrier.
They've been leaking customers for several reasons, the largest being the fairly recent (i.e. in the last 4.5 years) introduction of number portability. I'm sure people are leaving for the iPhone too.
NTT was a government owned monopoly starting back in 1952. AT&T used to be essentially the same thing as NTT which was established back in 1885. Kind of interesting.
At least Apple has the two others that represent basically the other half of Japan's business.
NTT needs to get their heads out of their collective asses.
So now "Stocks, Weather, Calendar, Compass, Voice Memos, Clock, Videos, News Stand, Games Center, Mail, Safari" are reduced to just Compass? Interesting.
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Originally Posted by Crowley
I entirely agree that I don't want any bloat ware on my iPhone. So much so that not being able to delete the Apple apps that I consider bloatware (Stocks, Weather, Calendar, Compass, Voice Memos, Clock, Videos, News Stand, Games Center, Mail, Safari) bugs me.
I want Apple to be stubborn in keeping crap that I don't want or need off my phone. I wish they'd turn that stubbornness to be inward-facing.
Well, at least in iOS7 you'll be able to throw every single app that bugs you into a single folder, which will at most take up 1 icon on your screen.
EDIT: Ok, just noticed you pretty much listed every single built in app as "bloatware", including mail and safari, which pretty much makes you a troll.
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Originally Posted by WhoIsYoMacDaddy
The article actually said "NTT DoCoMo is one of just a handful of major carriers outside of the U.S. that does not offer the iPhone." I can handle fanboys or trolls but the most annoying comments are those who quote incorrectly.
Ever thought of the possibilty that AI read that post and altered their article with "outside of the U.S."?
Oh crud, never mind, saw that a few other brilliant people came to the same logical conclusion as I...
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But that would mean they read these forums! /s
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Originally Posted by Eriamjh
... Of course, some people want to be able to delete even the standard Apple apps, but i don't see the difference between hiding them in a folder and deleting them. They don't take up a ton of space.
The difference is that many of the standard Apple apps provide services that other apps need to be able to depend on. The other difference is that it's necessary to provide certain services, that have nothing to do with carriers, on a smartphone so that all users, regardless of carrier, can have the same minimally useful user experience on a smartphone out of the box. So it's somewhat impractical to not have them baked into the firmware, especially when you consider the history of the iPhone where there was no App Store on the initial release.
Clearly the difference in perspective between NTT DoCoMo and Apple in this instance is that NTT DoCoMo wants all the phones on their network to be "their" phones, whereas Apple wants all iPhones to be Apple phones. NTT DoCoMo should just cut their losses and stop trying to be AOL in an age where people don't want to be locked into private Internets.
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Originally Posted by jungmark
I bet the vast majority of NTT's users don't use NTT's crap ware.
And you base that on...?
NTT DoCoMo is/was the carrier that everyone tried (and failed) to emulate. NTT DoCoMo's i-mode service is easily the most successful carrier-exclusive service of all time.
If you've only had experience of western carriers, it's hard to understand how different NTT DoCoMo operates.
I don't know how you can come to that conclusion. That's like saying the majority of TV users use it it play games and not watch TV since console gaming is a multi billion dollar industry.
SoftBank and the iPhone are certainly the reason for DoCoMo losing so many customers over the past few years. DoCoMo's coverage is second to none in Japan, so it takes something exceptional for people to leave them.The gains that SoftBank have made have been at DoCoMo's expense and I'm fairly certain SoftBank credits the iPhone as the reason.
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Originally Posted by crazy_mac_lover
I see so many people in Japan using iPhone , there is no excuse not to carry iPhones .
No excuse? They are not allowed to negotiate more favorable terms?