'iPhone Lite' on track for early Sept., but 'iPhone 5S' production more challenging

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  • Reply 61 of 89
    allenbfallenbf Posts: 993member
    Keep in mind that John Gruber, a genuine Apple insider with impeccable sources, also hinted that an ipad 5 release in that time frame was possible. Apple makes plans for certain dates and pushes it back sometimes, you can't fault an otherwise accurate analyst for getting timing wrong sometimes. It might be easy to predict some device releases when stuff gets to be predictable (such as the fall release schedule), but he's announced all sorts of supply chain constraints, shipment volumes, and specifications for unreleased stuff with pretty excellent accuracy.

    Don't waste your time, friend. Most of these folks can't see past the end of their nose. Case in point? iPad mini. It'll never happen.

    Only, it did.

    We will find out soon.
  • Reply 62 of 89
    gwmacgwmac Posts: 1,807member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MikeJones View Post




     


    Why? Because you say so?


     


     


    And why do any of those reasons translate into "iPhones with multiple colors"? What does the connector, the Qualcomm front end, or the number of SKUs have at all to do with having multiple case colors?



    So you basically concede all my other points and are fixated on the colors? Only Apple knows their reasons but if I had to speculate I would say more colors will appeal to a wider base of consumers. It will also especially appeal to the youth market. It will also clearly differentiate between the iPhone and iPhone lite lines. iOS 7 also introduced a more colorful GUI which seems to indicate they are ready to branch out from white and black. Personally this lite phone won't be for me so I really don't care why or what colors they choose. I always use a case so my iPhone will be the color of the case I choose and not the color of the iPhone. 


     


    I would also think if Apple want to ditch the 4S and 5 they would want a replacement with it's own personality and what better way to do that by offering it in a variety of colors. I still think it is possible they might not use plastic and perhaps it could be aluminum or possibly some new type of material not seen before that doesn't feel like cheap plastic on other phones. 

  • Reply 63 of 89
    mikejones wrote: »
    None of that addresses why "<span style="color:rgb(24,24,24);font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;line-height:18.1875px;">Apple will introduce a $449 iPhone in multiple colors that will probably sell for free or zero on contract". You state no actual reason why they would do "iPhones with multiple colors for free on contract".</span>



    You then go on about having one connector, the rumors about delays and then something about having 1 SKU. Care to point out where you address what you stated in the post I quoted?

    How does it end up someone's lot in life to hang around the Internet, being a contentious douche bag for no particular reason other than to provoke some attention?

    He does make sense. I don't know if its perfect sense, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Apple knows more about their business than we do, but it does make a lot of sense that they would replace the iPhone 4S price point with a far more desirable phone. With the 4 and 4S still selling like crazy, despite using the older screen size, not having LTE or the new connector, and using older, heavier, slower hardware, it seems very sensical to release a phone with colors, a thinner build, an A6 chip (as Ming Chi Kuo predicts), a bigger, better display that takes advantages of the newer apps.
  • Reply 64 of 89
    Wtf... What level of intellect are we dealing with here? "Why would they release iPhones with colors..."? Does that require explanation? I think it does provide them a natural name for the new lower cost phone... iPhone Color. As opposed to iPhone Lite, which implicates it as lacking in some department.
  • Reply 65 of 89
    gwmacgwmac Posts: 1,807member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by allenbf View Post





    Don't waste your time, friend. Most of these folks can't see past the end of their nose. Case in point? iPad mini. It'll never happen.



    Only, it did.



    We will find out soon.


    Even better is when they are proved wrong they either disappear, pretend they never made those predictions, or make excuses and pretend they were misunderstood and never made those statements in the first place. 


     


    Just a few off the top of my head....it will be the iPhone 6 and not 5, the iPad Mini won't ever be made, the iPhone will always stay at 3.5", the Mac Pro is dead, iOS 6 is perfect and no major changes coming to iOS 7. It is usually the same group of people as well that get it wrong every time. 

  • Reply 66 of 89
    mikejones wrote: »

    No, genius, Gruber doesn't talk about Apple unless he hears things worth saying. Why are you on this "nobody knows anything" high horse? Even the look of iOS 7 leaked to 9to5Mac. A big issue for Apple is that they can't seem to keep secrets anymore.
  • Reply 67 of 89
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    gwmac wrote: »
    Just a few off the top of my head....it will be the iPhone 6 and not 5, the iPad Mini won'y ever be made, the iPhone will always stay at 3.5", the Mac Pro is dead, iOS 6 is perfect and no major changes coming to iOS 7. It is usually the same group of people as well that get it wrong every time. 

    The iPhone will get a 2.5" model because no one really needs apps or data… The xMac will exist… Apple will release a 4.5" and 5" iPhone… Oh, and, the larger iPhone will be the cheap model… :lol:

    Never mind everything ever said by macosrumors.com.
  • Reply 68 of 89
    mikejonesmikejones Posts: 323member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by gwmac View Post


    So you basically concede all my other points and are fixated on the colors? 



    I don't see their relevance to the post I originally responded to which said:


     



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    Who cares what this analyst said or how accurate his predictions were in the past? Anyone that has followed Apple and can see logic knows this makes perfect sense. Apple will introduce a $449  iPhone in multiple colors that will probably sell for free or zero on contract. I am surprised people actually think this won't happen. 



    You said that what you said in that post was addressed in the other post. But they have little to do with each other. So again, where does your post in #30 back up what you state in the post I quote again above






     








     


     









  • Reply 69 of 89
    mikejonesmikejones Posts: 323member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by AndrewofArabia View Post



    Wtf... What level of intellect are we dealing with here? "Why would they release iPhones with colors..."? Does that require explanation? I think it does provide them a natural name for the new lower cost phone... iPhone Color. As opposed to iPhone Lite, which implicates it as lacking in some department.


    Yes, it does require explanation. It seems that if they are doing it for the same reasons they did it for the iPod Touch that they would have simply already done it, no? Why the wait?

  • Reply 70 of 89
    anantksundaramanantksundaram Posts: 20,407member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by AndrewofArabia View Post



    If you care enough to harass people about Ming Chi Kuo's pretty damn sparkling record (relatively speaking), then you should be bothered to care enough to pay attention when he's got something to say -- which AppleInsider, a site of whcih you're a prolific member, incessantly posts about. When everyone, including the normally impeccably sourced Bloomberg said apple would release a watch device within the year, it was Kuo, who said to expect it late next year. He's right about that so far. There will be no watch this year.


    Thanks for the laugh! image

  • Reply 71 of 89
    Some stuff Ming Chi Kuo was accurate about just last year:

    Here he predicted something that nobody else ever breathed a word about.
    http://www.mactrast.com/2012/06/kgi-apple-to-retire-17-inch-macbook-pro-in-2012/

    He got the prices and timing wrong on one product, got the event and products very right before anyone else did. He also stated the 13" would use a lower yield Retina display, which is true.
    http://www.mactrast.com/2012/06/apple-to-reintroduce-macbook-series-at-wwdc/

    This, stated with certitude, and quite in advance of it actually happening.
    http://www.mactrast.com/2011/07/apple-may-eliminate-the-white-macbook-in-favor-of-the-macbook-air/

    And here he stated there would be a fourth generation iPad, which seemed to surprise everyone when it was actually announced.
    http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/08/31/iphone_5_ipad_mini_among_8_new_apple_products_coming_before_end_of_2012
  • Reply 72 of 89
    mikejonesmikejones Posts: 323member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by AndrewofArabia View Post





    No, genius, Gruber doesn't talk about Apple unless he hears things worth saying. Why are you on this "nobody knows anything" high horse? Even the look of iOS 7 leaked to 9to5Mac. A big issue for Apple is that they can't seem to keep secrets anymore.


    I never said Gruber doesn't know anything, but your statement about how he says the iPad 5 will come out in the same period as pretty much all of the last few updates is not really a grand prediction.  Also, you've still yet to show that Kuo knows anything. He simply states ambiguous dates and then just keeps pushing them back whenever he's shown to be wrong. And then people like you laud him as being prescient when eventually he might have predicted the right date after 3 or 4 changes. That's not having a great track record. That's simply you being myopic to his incorrect claims.

  • Reply 73 of 89
    mikejonesmikejones Posts: 323member

    Quote:



    Originally Posted by AndrewofArabia View Post



    Some stuff Ming Chi Kuo was accurate about just last year:



    Here he predicted something that nobody else ever breathed a word about.

    http://www.mactrast.com/2012/06/kgi-apple-to-retire-17-inch-macbook-pro-in-2012/



    He got the prices and timing wrong on one product, got the event and products very right before anyone else did. He also stated the 13" would use a lower yield Retina display, which is true.

    http://www.mactrast.com/2012/06/apple-to-reintroduce-macbook-series-at-wwdc/



    This, stated with certitude, and quite in advance of it actually happening.

    http://www.mactrast.com/2011/07/apple-may-eliminate-the-white-macbook-in-favor-of-the-macbook-air/



    And here he stated there would be a fourth generation iPad, which seemed to surprise everyone when it was actually announced.

    http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/08/31/iphone_5_ipad_mini_among_8_new_apple_products_coming_before_end_of_2012


    So 4 things right (which is not correct since the second one he was wrong about just kept changing his dates until he was right) in 3 years? Wow, that's an amazing track record. Oh wait, it's not when you consider the many more predictions he made that were wrong. Yes, he has gotten a few things right. No, that does not make him some prescient genius.

  • Reply 74 of 89
    allenbfallenbf Posts: 993member
    mikejones wrote: »
    I never said Gruber doesn't know anything, but your statement about how he says the iPad 5 will come out in the same period as pretty much all of the last few updates is not really a grand prediction.  Also, you've still yet to show that Kuo knows anything. He simply states ambiguous dates and then just keeps pushing them back whenever he's shown to be wrong. And then people like you laud him as being prescient when eventually he might have predicted the right date after 3 or 4 changes. That's not having a great track record. That's simply you being myopic to his incorrect claims.

    You simply don't get it.

    Nobody is saying he's perfect. We have only said the guy has proven reliable in the past, based on his record. We aren't saying he's right this time. We are just saying he COULD be right based on his record. He has proven more accurate than the other analysts, like say, Brian White.

    AI and other sites describe him as 'well connected' and note his better than average accuracy in the past. You're the only one that is right though, yeah?
  • Reply 75 of 89
    gwmacgwmac Posts: 1,807member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MikeJones View Post


    I don't see their relevance to the post I originally responded to which said:


     


    You said that what you said in that post was addressed in the other post. But they have little to do with each other. So again, where does your post in #30 back up what you state in the post I quote again above






     


     


     








     


     











     


     


    I am done with this dance. I gave you plenty of reasons. I am not here to defend or attack this analyst but to offer m own predictions. As of yet you have offered none. So since you think I am wrong, why not make your own predictions and we can bookmark this page and meet back in a few months to see who was right. Until then you are just blowing hot air. 

  • Reply 76 of 89
    mikejones wrote: »
    Yes, it does require explanation. It seems that if they are doing it for the same reasons they did it for the iPod Touch that they would have simply already done it, no? Why the wait?

    How could he possibly answer that? The low cost iphone might just be a defensive move made in the last year, or might be something they planned or assumed they'd do eventually. It might have something to do with procuring certain components at cheaper volume, hence the timing for this kind of device. It definitely makes more sense than it did last year, when we got a complete redesign and all sorts of new improvements, or the year before that, when a lot of smartphones didn't even have high res displays yet.
  • Reply 77 of 89
    mikejones wrote: »
    So 4 things right (which is not correct since the second one he was wrong about just kept changing his dates until he was right) in 3 years? Wow, that's an amazing track record. Oh wait, it's not when you consider the many more predictions he made that were wrong. Yes, he has gotten a few things right. No, that does not make him some prescient genius.

    No, that's just 4 of the things he was right about in the last 1.5 years. Who else predicted a 4th gen ipad, or that the 17" MacBook would be put to sleep? Hes not prescient. He's well sourced.
  • Reply 78 of 89
    anantksundaramanantksundaram Posts: 20,407member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by AndrewofArabia View Post



    Some stuff Ming Chi Kuo was accurate about just last year:



    Here he predicted something that nobody else ever breathed a word about.

    http://www.mactrast.com/2012/06/kgi-apple-to-retire-17-inch-macbook-pro-in-2012/



    He got the prices and timing wrong on one product, got the event and products very right before anyone else did. He also stated the 13" would use a lower yield Retina display, which is true.

    http://www.mactrast.com/2012/06/apple-to-reintroduce-macbook-series-at-wwdc/



    This, stated with certitude, and quite in advance of it actually happening.

    http://www.mactrast.com/2011/07/apple-may-eliminate-the-white-macbook-in-favor-of-the-macbook-air/



    And here he stated there would be a fourth generation iPad, which seemed to surprise everyone when it was actually announced.

    http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/08/31/iphone_5_ipad_mini_among_8_new_apple_products_coming_before_end_of_2012


    Hey, here are some questions for you, since appear to know him well, and you are willing to go back two years to dig up four predictions of his (well, 3.5, but let's round it up):


     


    1a) How many such predictions did he make in the last two years?


          1b) How many came true?


     


    2a) How many others made similar predictions? 


     


    2b) What did he predict that others did not?


        2b/a) Which of those came true?


     


    2c) What did others predict that he did not?


        2c/a) Which of those came true?


     


    Unless you can provide us that data, take your spurious nonsense about how good he is somewhere else (where you think it might work).

  • Reply 79 of 89
    kdarlingkdarling Posts: 1,640member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jragosta View Post



    Exactly. NONE of these 'experts' have a very good track record. Someone really needs to track the predictions and produce a score card.


     


    The sorry state of Apple analysis - CNN Money


     


  • Reply 80 of 89
    Hey, here are some questions for you, since appear to know him well, and you are willing to go back two years to dig up four predictions of his (well, 3.5, but let's round it up):

    1a) How many such predictions did he make in the last two years?
          1b) How many came true?

    2a) How many others made similar predictions? 

    2b) What did he predict that others did not?
        2b/a) Which of those came true?

    2c) What did others predict that he did not?
        2c/a) Which of those came true?

    Unless you can provide us that data, take your spurious nonsense about how good he (or she) is somewhere else (where you think it might work).

    I'm reminded of that story of Oscar Wilde seeing the Niagara Falls for the first and saying that it he'd might've been impressed if flowed the other way. I think you're spirit is right, these predictions and who is or isn't accurate doesn't matter because it isn't going to mean anything in a year when the products are on your desk or in your pocket (or on your wrist) on a normal ass Tuesday afternoon. But I think you people are wrong when you dismiss him as just another analyst. He's been pretty damn accurate, and sometimes when others have been wrong.
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