What part of 'full' didn't you understand? Older devices will get a crippled version stripped of features.
"crippled"… "stripped of features"...
um, excuse me, a little Hyperbole Dressing along with that Misinformation Salad you're serving up with your last few posts?
My iPad gen 01 doesn't have cameras, so it doesn't take advantage of any of the nifty iOS5 camera-related features. Is that equal to a version of iOS that is "crippled and stripped of features"? Nope. iOS7 is no different. If the DEVICE doesn't support something, it won't function, NOT the other way around (Apple doesn't operate using the "planned obsolescence" method. I have a 1st gen iPad running just fine, 4+ year old iPhone, goin on 4 year old iMac, all doing just fine. I'm not upgrading because they are somehow dysfunctional or broken down.
Apple doesn't work that way. You clearly aren't an Apple user, or you would know that.
Full disclosure: considering your ridiculous assertions, semantic nit-picking and snarky negativity here, I have to ask: do you work with or for Samsung (or Google) in some capacity?
I really want to know what YOU think will be "crippled and stripped"? What parts of iOS 7 won't run on the iPhone 4s and iPad 3rd gen? Or the iPhone 4 for that matter? Or the iPad 2?
I'm all for supporting the latest OS with the latest software; that's why it's there -- to take advantage of. I have to protest, though, developers who first require the latest OS ... and then actually disabletheir previous versions. They may think they're just encouraging people to upgrade, but those whose hardware cannot run the apps are left in the cold. Those owners understand they can't be included in upgrades for a long period, but don't brick old devices!
Oh, so NOW you say "A 'redesign'…" A far cry from your previous post saying "a complete rewrite", no? Dude, you're all over the map with these posts.
Yes, SOME devs could… Operative word there being *could*. That *could* happen anytime and for any reason.
Why are you spreading FUD here and saying all these things as if they are givens?
I've been on iOS since version 1. Some of my apps have released new versions that required a new purchase (or upgrade fee), but those are the exception not the rule. Most continue to update year after year, through various iOS iterations and fairly major upgrade cycles (new screen formats and display resolutions, adding major features like gyroscope and GPS, on and on) without asking for a single penny. Try getting that from ANY "PC" software vendor. Yeah-hm...
Sure some COULD charge for their upgrades. Most don't. That's just how it is.
Do you have anything positive to contribute to this thread? At all?
Ios7 is a buggy impractical piece of junk the like i have never seen before (maybe vista)... I am seriously contemplating switching away (had iphones from first one). Someone went on an ego trip to put his mark on the whole thing, and the devs are chasing stupid bugs rather creating new useful features. I can't believe the things they get away with 'we removed xxx and yyyy, but it is because we are touching at the essence of what a calendar or a music player ought to be'... and we all cheer and clap...
The layer of window dressing will hide the lack of imagination...
Ios7 is a buggy impractical piece of junk the like i have never seen before (maybe vista)... I am seriously contemplating switching away (had iphones from first one). Someone went on an ego trip to put his mark on the whole thing, and the devs are chasing stupid bugs rather creating new useful features. I can't believe the things they get away with 'we removed xxx and yyyy, but it is because we are touching at the essence of what a calendar or a music player ought to be'... and we all cheer and clap...
The layer of window dressing will hide the lack of imagination...
I used to think that it's just "window dressing", but after using the betas a few week, I can see where the useful improvements are. e.g., Control Center, AirDrop, the new Share button, cleaned up UI, updated apps. Now iOS6 looks and works somewhat dated compared to iOS7. However some take getting used to.
It's not just eye candy.
The layered and dynamic UI (including the new TextKit) is the most interesting concept to me so far. Other mobile UI works in a more flat fashion.
Like all betas, I also encountered some bugs. Hopefully Apple find enough time to fix them.
It also seems that some of the changes are done for future devices. :-)
Like he told SCROLL ALL THE WAY DOWN. Apple tells you which features supported. It is not a conspiracy. The link you posted got the info from the link the OP gave you.
YES IT DOES. It gives the WHOLE story (more on that below).
OK, so … Airdop and SOME Photo filter features. That's it? (Your source is wrong. "Square" photos on the iPad 3 certainly are supported. Whatever.)
All the other features listed as "missing" other than those two are from iOS 6 or earlier. So those aren't exactly news - and not new to iOS 7, as you seem to be trying to promote. It's YOU that isn't giving the whole story. You are working overtime to advance a very false narrative here.
Besides, I'm not so sure that I'd depend on an "about.com" post to be accurate. How do they KNOW those are unsupported by those devices? Do you have a credible backup for that supposition? OH, wait a minute! Maybe they used the same link I gave you earlier!!! You know, to the APPLE Site?
Yes! It shows exactly what is supported and NOT supported. The about.com post doesn't have it 100% right though, and also includes a bunch of older features not new to iOS7. Huh, whaddya know. So the APPLE site tells the whole story after all.
Yep, you sure did prove your point about iOS7 being "crippled and stripped of features" for those older devices… *snicker* /s
I'm done with you. You're clearly trolling at this point.
Ios7 is a buggy impractical piece of junk the like i have never seen before (maybe vista)... I am seriously contemplating switching away (had iphones from first one). Someone went on an ego trip to put his mark on the whole thing, and the devs are chasing stupid bugs rather creating new useful features. I can't believe the things they get away with 'we removed xxx and yyyy, but it is because we are touching at the essence of what a calendar or a music player ought to be'... and we all cheer and clap...
The layer of window dressing will hide the lack of imagination...
Wait… you're running (likely non-updated) apps on a BETA, and complaining that it has bugs? Do you not understand what it means to run BETA software? Apple says, only run the iOS 7 beta on a device dedicated exclusively to that testing. Meaning, use it to test the device operation, the built-in apps functions, and YOUR OWN apps being updated for the new OS… right?
Why would you, seemingly here speaking in "end user/consumer mode", be considering "switching away"? Are you a developer? If not, why are you using iOS 7? And if you are, what will you switch your software away to?
I'm not buying any of this false-negative supposition. You sir, are trolling hard.
Buggy and impractical. I'm ROTFL pretty hard here!
Like he told SCROLL ALL THE WAY DOWN. Apple tells you which features supported. It is not a conspiracy. The link you posted got the info from the link the OP gave you.
Where it presents iOS7 device compatibility, with images, a LARGE block of text IMMEDIATELY below that gives a nice clear list. It isn't hidden away, relegated to a link or popup, or "easy to miss" at all. If you had followed my link before, you would have seen it as easily as everyone else does. No-one I know has "missed" that big block of text. No one.
Really, give it a rest, dude. Come into the light. It just works over here. Really.
Yeah, the iPhone 4 won't be able to use Siri or the 4" screen graphics (like always). You realize you're talking out of your arse. iOS7 will bring many new features to older phones. Android phones don't even give you the option to do security updates. They would rather you buy a new phone.
What I crack up about is that Google wasn't the first Internet search engine, nor were they the first mapping program, and a lot of the ideas in modern smartphones and tablets stemmed back from the Knowledge Navigator project that Apple was working on back in the 1980's. For those that never saw it, here's the video. See how many things are being integrated....
What I crack up about is that Google wasn't the first Internet search engine, nor were they the first mapping program, and a lot of the ideas in modern smartphones and tablets stemmed back from the Knowledge Navigator project that Apple was working on back in the 1980's.
The Knowledge Navigator wasn't a real project. It was a fantasy video made for an educational convention to make it look like Apple was working on such things. As the director of the educational marketing group inside Apple who made the video noted,
"NeXT claimed to be focused exclusively on the higher education market. Many of the higher ed(ucation) influencers and decision makers were saying that Apple had no vision for its future product line. John Sculley was scheduled to be the keynote speaker at Educom, and the stakes were high for us to show some “vision” of where Apple was going."
As for intelligent speech assistants, they go back at least to the 1960s with the Star Trek and Space Odyssey computers, which could hold a conversation, initiate calls, and correlate data upon request.
The Knowledge Navigator wasn't a real project. It was a fantasy video made for an educational convention to make it look like Apple was working on such things. As the director of the educational marketing group inside Apple who made the video noted,
"NeXT claimed to be focused exclusively on the higher education market. Many of the higher ed(ucation) influencers and decision makers were saying that Apple had no vision for its future product line. John Sculley was scheduled to be the keynote speaker at Educom, and the stakes were high for us to show some “vision” of where Apple was going."
As for intelligent speech assistants, they go back at least to the 1960s with the Star Trek and Space Odyssey computers, which could hold a conversation, initiate calls, and correlate data upon request.
IT's still showing ideas on how they technology in the future? That's how things get done, some one has what people would think is a silly idea and then it goes public and then eventually, if it's technologically possible, people actually put it into an actual product. Like the telephone in a wristwatch or shoe, etc. etc.
Your response is kind of stupid. Why? because they had an idea of the KN enough to put a video of what they wanted, and all you focus on is an assistant. and on educational market?
I see it more as technology, like searching the internet for anyone, personal assistant, video conferencing, making video voice calls, a touch screen tablet, and a lot of other things that didn't exist in a product we could actually buy for under $1000. If Apple had an iPad 4 back in 1986, that's practically what the thing does (for the most part). Whomever put the video together and did the mock up tablets they were using was done by someone at Apple weren't they? They weren't made by Microsoft or Google or Samsung were they?
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Originally Posted by Soloman
What part of 'full' didn't you understand? Older devices will get a crippled version stripped of features.
"crippled"… "stripped of features"...
um, excuse me, a little Hyperbole Dressing along with that Misinformation Salad you're serving up with your last few posts?
My iPad gen 01 doesn't have cameras, so it doesn't take advantage of any of the nifty iOS5 camera-related features. Is that equal to a version of iOS that is "crippled and stripped of features"? Nope. iOS7 is no different. If the DEVICE doesn't support something, it won't function, NOT the other way around (Apple doesn't operate using the "planned obsolescence" method. I have a 1st gen iPad running just fine, 4+ year old iPhone, goin on 4 year old iMac, all doing just fine. I'm not upgrading because they are somehow dysfunctional or broken down.
Apple doesn't work that way. You clearly aren't an Apple user, or you would know that.
Full disclosure: considering your ridiculous assertions, semantic nit-picking and snarky negativity here, I have to ask: do you work with or for Samsung (or Google) in some capacity?
I really want to know what YOU think will be "crippled and stripped"? What parts of iOS 7 won't run on the iPhone 4s and iPad 3rd gen? Or the iPhone 4 for that matter? Or the iPad 2?
I'm all for supporting the latest OS with the latest software; that's why it's there -- to take advantage of. I have to protest, though, developers who first require the latest OS ... and then actually disable their previous versions. They may think they're just encouraging people to upgrade, but those whose hardware cannot run the apps are left in the cold. Those owners understand they can't be included in upgrades for a long period, but don't brick old devices!
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Originally Posted by Soloman
A 'redesign' and yes many devs could make you pay again for the app.
http://m.tuaw.com/2013/07/19/how-willing-are-you-to-re-purchase-apps-for-ios-7/
Oh, so NOW you say "A 'redesign'…" A far cry from your previous post saying "a complete rewrite", no? Dude, you're all over the map with these posts.
Yes, SOME devs could… Operative word there being *could*. That *could* happen anytime and for any reason.
Why are you spreading FUD here and saying all these things as if they are givens?
I've been on iOS since version 1. Some of my apps have released new versions that required a new purchase (or upgrade fee), but those are the exception not the rule. Most continue to update year after year, through various iOS iterations and fairly major upgrade cycles (new screen formats and display resolutions, adding major features like gyroscope and GPS, on and on) without asking for a single penny. Try getting that from ANY "PC" software vendor. Yeah-hm...
Sure some COULD charge for their upgrades. Most don't. That's just how it is.
Do you have anything positive to contribute to this thread? At all?
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Nobody f*cking listens to that old coot. He was just coincidentally commenting at a time when the feature was already planned.
McCain has been irrelevant since the 1960's.
Which implies he was also somehow relevant in the 60's… I'm not convinced.
We chat and Skype having some problem
Sometimes rest start iphone5
That's because you are running a beta. And the apps are not ported over yet. ^_^
The layer of window dressing will hide the lack of imagination...
I used to think that it's just "window dressing", but after using the betas a few week, I can see where the useful improvements are. e.g., Control Center, AirDrop, the new Share button, cleaned up UI, updated apps. Now iOS6 looks and works somewhat dated compared to iOS7. However some take getting used to.
It's not just eye candy.
The layered and dynamic UI (including the new TextKit) is the most interesting concept to me so far. Other mobile UI works in a more flat fashion.
Like all betas, I also encountered some bugs. Hopefully Apple find enough time to fix them.
It also seems that some of the changes are done for future devices. :-)
http://ipod.about.com/od/iphonesoftwareterms/f/What-Devices-Are-Ios-7-Compatible.htm
The Apple site doesn't give you the whole story.
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Originally Posted by Soloman
http://ipod.about.com/od/iphonesoftwareterms/f/What-Devices-Are-Ios-7-Compatible.htm
The Apple site doesn't give you the whole story.
Like he told SCROLL ALL THE WAY DOWN. Apple tells you which features supported. It is not a conspiracy. The link you posted got the info from the link the OP gave you.
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Originally Posted by Soloman
http://ipod.about.com/od/iphonesoftwareterms/f/What-Devices-Are-Ios-7-Compatible.htm
The Apple site doesn't give you the whole story.
YES IT DOES. It gives the WHOLE story (more on that below).
OK, so … Airdop and SOME Photo filter features. That's it? (Your source is wrong. "Square" photos on the iPad 3 certainly are supported. Whatever.)
All the other features listed as "missing" other than those two are from iOS 6 or earlier. So those aren't exactly news - and not new to iOS 7, as you seem to be trying to promote. It's YOU that isn't giving the whole story. You are working overtime to advance a very false narrative here.
Besides, I'm not so sure that I'd depend on an "about.com" post to be accurate. How do they KNOW those are unsupported by those devices? Do you have a credible backup for that supposition? OH, wait a minute! Maybe they used the same link I gave you earlier!!! You know, to the APPLE Site?
Yes! It shows exactly what is supported and NOT supported. The about.com post doesn't have it 100% right though, and also includes a bunch of older features not new to iOS7. Huh, whaddya know. So the APPLE site tells the whole story after all.
Yep, you sure did prove your point about iOS7 being "crippled and stripped of features" for those older devices… *snicker* /s
I'm done with you. You're clearly trolling at this point.
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Originally Posted by wishfulthinking
Ios7 is a buggy impractical piece of junk the like i have never seen before (maybe vista)... I am seriously contemplating switching away (had iphones from first one). Someone went on an ego trip to put his mark on the whole thing, and the devs are chasing stupid bugs rather creating new useful features. I can't believe the things they get away with 'we removed xxx and yyyy, but it is because we are touching at the essence of what a calendar or a music player ought to be'... and we all cheer and clap...
The layer of window dressing will hide the lack of imagination...
Wait… you're running (likely non-updated) apps on a BETA, and complaining that it has bugs? Do you not understand what it means to run BETA software? Apple says, only run the iOS 7 beta on a device dedicated exclusively to that testing. Meaning, use it to test the device operation, the built-in apps functions, and YOUR OWN apps being updated for the new OS… right?
Why would you, seemingly here speaking in "end user/consumer mode", be considering "switching away"? Are you a developer? If not, why are you using iOS 7? And if you are, what will you switch your software away to?
I'm not buying any of this false-negative supposition. You sir, are trolling hard.
Buggy and impractical. I'm ROTFL pretty hard here!
Wow, my 4S can't use Camera filters. Guess ill just use Camera+. Crippled for sure.
It's just in fine print that's easy to miss.
Wow, my 4S can't use Camera filters. Guess ill just use Camera+. Crippled for sure.
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Originally Posted by Soloman
It's just in fine print that's easy to miss.
Selective blindness, maybe? Or just sour grapes.
Where it presents iOS7 device compatibility, with images, a LARGE block of text IMMEDIATELY below that gives a nice clear list. It isn't hidden away, relegated to a link or popup, or "easy to miss" at all. If you had followed my link before, you would have seen it as easily as everyone else does. No-one I know has "missed" that big block of text. No one.
Really, give it a rest, dude. Come into the light. It just works over here. Really.
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Originally Posted by Pendergast
Wow, my 4S can't use Camera filters. Guess ill just use Camera+. Crippled for sure.
Yeah, and limping hard. Now you need crutches!
Surely there's an app for that.
ok, or not…
So, "Apple is doomed™" then?
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Originally Posted by GadgetCanadaV2
Yeah, the iPhone 4 won't be able to use Siri or the 4" screen graphics (like always). You realize you're talking out of your arse. iOS7 will bring many new features to older phones. Android phones don't even give you the option to do security updates. They would rather you buy a new phone.
What I crack up about is that Google wasn't the first Internet search engine, nor were they the first mapping program, and a lot of the ideas in modern smartphones and tablets stemmed back from the Knowledge Navigator project that Apple was working on back in the 1980's. For those that never saw it, here's the video. See how many things are being integrated....
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Originally Posted by drblank
What I crack up about is that Google wasn't the first Internet search engine, nor were they the first mapping program, and a lot of the ideas in modern smartphones and tablets stemmed back from the Knowledge Navigator project that Apple was working on back in the 1980's.
The Knowledge Navigator wasn't a real project. It was a fantasy video made for an educational convention to make it look like Apple was working on such things. As the director of the educational marketing group inside Apple who made the video noted,
"NeXT claimed to be focused exclusively on the higher education market. Many of the higher ed(ucation) influencers and decision makers were saying that Apple had no vision for its future product line. John Sculley was scheduled to be the keynote speaker at Educom, and the stakes were high for us to show some “vision” of where Apple was going."
As for intelligent speech assistants, they go back at least to the 1960s with the Star Trek and Space Odyssey computers, which could hold a conversation, initiate calls, and correlate data upon request.
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Originally Posted by KDarling
The Knowledge Navigator wasn't a real project. It was a fantasy video made for an educational convention to make it look like Apple was working on such things. As the director of the educational marketing group inside Apple who made the video noted,
"NeXT claimed to be focused exclusively on the higher education market. Many of the higher ed(ucation) influencers and decision makers were saying that Apple had no vision for its future product line. John Sculley was scheduled to be the keynote speaker at Educom, and the stakes were high for us to show some “vision” of where Apple was going."
As for intelligent speech assistants, they go back at least to the 1960s with the Star Trek and Space Odyssey computers, which could hold a conversation, initiate calls, and correlate data upon request.
IT's still showing ideas on how they technology in the future? That's how things get done, some one has what people would think is a silly idea and then it goes public and then eventually, if it's technologically possible, people actually put it into an actual product. Like the telephone in a wristwatch or shoe, etc. etc.
Your response is kind of stupid. Why? because they had an idea of the KN enough to put a video of what they wanted, and all you focus on is an assistant. and on educational market?
I see it more as technology, like searching the internet for anyone, personal assistant, video conferencing, making video voice calls, a touch screen tablet, and a lot of other things that didn't exist in a product we could actually buy for under $1000. If Apple had an iPad 4 back in 1986, that's practically what the thing does (for the most part). Whomever put the video together and did the mock up tablets they were using was done by someone at Apple weren't they? They weren't made by Microsoft or Google or Samsung were they?