This is not synthetic in the same way that quorn or other 'meat substitues' are trying to approximate beef or other meats from different base ingredients (ever heard of a 'tofurkey' or 'facon'? Eugh - look them up); the point of this exercise was to determine whether or not it was possible to produce something that was authentically beef - genetically identical and made of real cow muscle cells. There are several different laboratories around the world researching along similar lines, the google-funded team is just the furthest ahead at the moment, and there is some really exciting progress being made. Overcoming the difficulty of interspersing muscle cells with fat cells would help to address the difference in taste that was noted with this burger, and there's the possibility of adding 'healthy' fats instead such as omega 3 fatty acids (although I realise that therein lies an entirely different debate).
“Even if I had closed my eyes, I would have known the difference - it was crunchy, like a cake, and the texture was... surprising,” says Austrian food researcher Hanni Ruetzler.
Food writer Josh Schonwald says, “You mentioned the word cake - that’s what it was like... an animal protein cake.”
The burger looks much like a traditional one - a perfect pink disc with colour added from beetroot juice. In a frying pan, it sizzles like the real thing – although the way it goes brown is slightly artificial, like a frozen supermarket burger. It also seems to lack the smell of the real thing.
The burger has “lived” in a dish for three months - “shorter than it takes to grow a cow”.
The technology could be used to create anything from pork to chicken. More than one trillion cells can be grown from one cell taken from a cow, Post says - enough for ten tonnes of meat.
Current technology behind it could make beef at around $70 a kilo, Post says. He hopes that the price will come down as they research the subject further.
One of the problems Post’s project faces is that no one knows precisely what makes beef taste good.
“"Fat is important - and I think iron adds to the taste,” says Post. “But in meats there are 400 peptides, 400 aromatics - we don't know which one of those are important.”
If they get the taste and smell right and get the costs down, it could take off in a big way because of how quickly they can turn around the supply.
if you disagree with a poster, and claim his pretty straightforward posts makes no sense, that its a mess, try putting your fingers in your ears and make loud lala noises..im sure that way you can 'win'
I dont care for google practices either, but blind hatred of anything one of the founders is involved in is sad and pathetic. I enjoy my apple products, the way they work, and the way they well designed. I like Apple - they have been a decent company, with decent convictions, and long may it continue that way. Im shocked at how easily some previously good contributors on this forum have suddenly become sad trolls
You missed the part where I said he is either a paid negative poster here or he has a drug problem that affects his ability to hold a two-sided conversation. And sure enough, he is now banned. I have no inside info as to why, but I imagine he was using a troll-associated address. He was consistently obstructionist. Sorry you didn't catch that.
I didn't say a word about Sergey Brin because I realize he's trying to do some good with his money. I have a lot of reservations about the wisdom of this project. If you watch the video, it's partly a commercial for the practice of beef-eating, which I find repellent. Millions of Indian vegetarians are right and the cow should be revered as a sacred animal, in my view. The focus should be on the obscene aspects of eating ground-up cow. Nobody wants to hear this stuff. Better to say nothing. Leave Mr. Brin to figure it out on his own since he certainly wouldn't be affected by anything I said here.
Same with that infuriating Google Glass. The reason that people instantly hate it so much when they see it on someone else is that it breaks a neurologically based rule about how we process faces, one of our deepest perceptual circuits. We respond positively to symmetrical faces and are helplessly repelled by asymmetry in faces. Glass breaks symmetry. I can't believe that Mr. Brin didn't figure this out on his own, or that no one in the Glass project saw it.
So, would you call my attitudes to Google's projects 'blind hatred'?
You missed the part where I said he is either a paid negative poster here or he has a drug problem that affects his ability to hold a two-sided conversation. And sure enough, he is now banned. I have no inside info as to why, but I imagine he was using a troll-associated address. He was consistently obstructionist. Sorry you didn't catch that.
I didn't say a word about Sergey Brin because I realize he's trying to do some good with his money. I have a lot of reservations about the wisdom of this project. If you watch the video, it's partly a commercial for the practice of beef-eating, which I find repellent. Millions of Indian vegetarians are right and the cow should be revered as a sacred animal, in my view. The focus should be on the obscene aspects of eating ground-up cow. Nobody wants to hear this stuff. Better to say nothing. Leave Mr. Brin to figure it out on his own since he certainly wouldn't be affected by anything I said here.
Same with that infuriating Google Glass. The reason that people instantly hate it so much when they see it on someone else is that it breaks a neurologically based rule about how we process faces, one of our deepest perceptual circuits. We respond positively to symmetrical faces and are helplessly repelled by asymmetry in faces. Glass breaks symmetry. I can't believe that Mr. Brin didn't figure this out on his own, or that no one in the Glass project saw it.
So, would you call my attitudes to Google's projects 'blind hatred'?
SO he is banned - maybe a troll - i know not nor care - but most of his posts in THIS thread have been clear, and reasonably well written, and they made a very good point. The blind hatred was not particularly directed at anyone, but at a majority of the negative haters on this site. I don't support the concept of leaving Brin to sort it out on his own - he may or may never read any articles here, but if anything encourages home to spend money on decent scientific endevours, that may play a small part in our future well being - then so be it.
I do like meat - two of my sons were strict vegans, now they remain vegetarians, to the point that if something may contain dairy, they will eat it. They successfully encouraged me to eat much less meat... ITS BAD!!!!! and what i do eat i try to get from local producers. But I love a good steak now and then.
To all those saying its a bad idea - and its going to be bad for us cos its filled with chemicals - WAIT - we are still at proof of concept here - and seriously - we are not ALL going to become vegans any time soon - we have to stop wasting so much water and LAND for cows to graze. I visited an abattoir in my teens - disgusting - made me think - there has to be a better way in this technological age - and Brins just one of many that are helping progress some decent ideas.
As for glass - and sadly any article about Brin always seems to use a stock photo of him wearing the creepy goggle..... I for the most part hate where its going. Surely - for a surgeon, or military specialist, or a whole host of people - such hardware, with the right software could be very positive. The regular public - in public or in private meetings recording stuff like this is a future i dont want to be in.
As for the asymmetry, its rooted deep into our brains, its why so many otherwise talentless people exist in Hollywood, earn so much more, and are so much more 'respected' by the masses. In old war movies the nasty german officer always wears a monocle....
Is culture meat the answer to the land, water and killing of so many animals - or is the answer cutting down on meat? Maybe there will be more than one solution - but give Brin some credit for at least trying to help humanity, even if its a very small way.
One last thing - The British medical journal Lancet reported a study of 20,000 Indian patients and found that 60 per cent of the world’s heart disease patients are in India, which has 15 per cent of the world’s population.
I don't understand why people look down on meat substitutes. They make the conversion to vegetarianism easier and provide healthier and nutritious alternatives to meat even for habitual meat eaters. And many of these substitutes are not bad at all, they are just based on different ingredients and spices.
I had home-made tofurkey for Thanksgiving last year and it was quite delicious. It was no meat, obviously, but that doesn't make it less tasty. If you want to be open minded about food, then you have to embrace these alternatives as well, it's by no means bad food.
I didn't mean to sound negative about meat alternatives, I'm just less fond of the ones that imitate specific, identifiable animal products e.g. a turkey, bacon or fish-free prawns. Personally, I eat a lot of quorn but cook mainly with the mince, pieces or sometimes sausages or fillets; none of it is imitating a specific meat but I can use it in many recipes that I used to make with various meats.
I've managed to get a lot of my friends to try out meat alternatives, with much success. I'm not on a mission to convert them all to vegetarianism (I still eat real meat, just rarely) but there are so many recipes you can make that taste just as good with a meat substitute, not to mention all the fantastic things you can do with just vegetables.
I like to see large companies investing in new technologies like this too.
Thanks very much for those links; some very interesting reading there. I agree that it's always encouraging to see big, influential companies investing outside of their core business areas. We'll never continue to make world-changing scientific discoveries unless there are people willing to invest in research just to see what happens.
Initially this does seem rather creepy. But its a very important development. The green house gas released in huge quantities by the global beef industry is methane, which is something like 20 to 100 times more potent than CO2 as a green house gas. With beef production increasing (about one third of the Earth's land area is currently given over to livestock already!) to meet huge demand this is a very scary scenario that will rabidly increase the rate of global warming. Which doesn't just mean the melting of the ice-caps and rising sea levels. But much more dangerous - the permanent melt-off of the Siberian permafrost, resulting in untold millions more tons of stored Siberian methane evaporating and being released into the atmosphere. Resulting in an unrelenting vicious cycle of global warming that will accelerate out of control, eventually turning Earth into something more reminiscent of Venus than our current nice temperate planet...and all that entails.
I didn't say a word about Sergey Brin because I realize he's trying to do some good with his money. I have a lot of reservations about the wisdom of this project. If you watch the video, it's partly a commercial for the practice of beef-eating, which I find repellent. Millions of Indian vegetarians are right and the cow should be revered as a sacred animal, in my view. The focus should be on the obscene aspects of eating ground-up cow. Nobody wants to hear this stuff. Better to say nothing. Leave Mr. Brin to figure it out on his own since he certainly wouldn't be affected by anything I said here.
I too have reservations about the wisdom of trying to make artificial cow/hamburger. Anyone in their right mind would be working on BACON. Humankind can live forever without hamburger, but wouldn't last a generation without BACON. What was Brin thinking???
I too have reservations about the wisdom of trying to make artificial cow/hamburger. Anyone in their right mind would be working on BACON. Humankind can live forever without hamburger, but wouldn't last a generation without BACON. What was Brin thinking???
I too have reservations about the wisdom of trying to make artificial cow/hamburger. Anyone in their right mind would be working on BACON. Humankind can live forever without hamburger, but wouldn't last a generation without BACON. What was Brin thinking???
Agreed - there are so many recipes saved by bacon! and Pigs are so much smarter than cows - (see Animal Farm) If I had a spare $350K I would invest in cultured bacon.
. . . One last thing - The British medical journal Lancet reported a study of 20,000 Indian patients and found that 60 per cent of the world’s heart disease patients are in India, which has 15 per cent of the world’s population.
Well, you'd want to know the vegetarian vs. carnivore factor in that study. And if vegetarian, the amount of ghee or hydrogenated fat, etc., in the diet. Otherwise, it's meaningless for our point here.
Good point about the monocle on the villains. I suppose twisted faces are in the same Hollywood bag. And Alfred E. Newman.
The treacherous thing about Glass is that it further exacerbates the split-brain problem that plagues our civilization. Notice that they tend to put it over the right eye, meaning they're addressing the detail-obsessed, holistically challenged left brain. This is a disaster in the making. They should have made it binocular. Sergey Brin is the kind of guy who would wear toe shoes in public.
Umm, and the meat we are eating today is not sustainable exactly WHY?
Has anyone besides me ever been in a real airplane? You know, you go to the airport, you go through security, you sit in a REAL AIRPLANE with a REAL PILOT and you go down the runway really, really fast and you fly?
And has anyone ever looked out that little window? Tell me, did you see cityscapes from horizon to horizon? No? Golly, wonder what could be done with all that ground beneath you? Maybe some of that land could be "farmed"? Perhaps some of that land could raise "cattle", "pigs" and "chickens"? You know, the stuff from what we actually get real "meat". Here's a hint - "real meat" tastes exactly like "real meat". Just like mankind has been eating for millennia.
Think about star trek. The food replicator. That's the future.
Well, I don't know if the Star Trek replicator used stem cell research....
I have to taste it, pass it through my lower intestine and see if it's any good. Remember those Lays WOW potato chips that caused intestinal issues with Olestra? Yeah, eat some Lay's WOW potato chips and then an hour later you're in the john saying WOW. Maybe that's where they got the name from.
Umm, and the meat we are eating today is not sustainable exactly WHY?
Has anyone besides me ever been in a real airplane? You know, you go to the airport, you go through security, you sit in a REAL AIRPLANE with a REAL PILOT and you go down the runway really, really fast and you fly?
And has anyone ever looked out that little window? Tell me, did you see cityscapes from horizon to horizon? No? Golly, wonder what could be done with all that ground beneath you? Maybe some of that land could be "farmed"? Perhaps some of that land could raise "cattle", "pigs" and "chickens"? You know, the stuff from what we actually get real "meat". Here's a hint - "real meat" tastes exactly like "real meat". Just like mankind has been eating for millennia.
you know i have - well after city cities and towns, and urban development, there is TONS of space..... much of it not easily made into farmland, (water soil etc) but lots of trees and, if we find a way of producing more water (yes there is a worldwide shortage) we can keep cutting down the trees....
this is from worls wide preservation foundation - they have some interest in sustainability...
...deforestation emits 2.9 gigatons of carbon annually, more than a quarter of all human caused emissions31. A steep reduction in animal agriculture would therefore rapidly reduce these emissions and the associated soil carbon loss that occurs when forests are cleared to pasture then grazed32.
In Brazil, where deforestation rates are highest, pressure on forests to make way for grazing lands and feed crops is immense. Brazil has 200 million cattle, and plans to double this number. Already, 65-70% of all Brazilian forest clearing is directly for cattle ranching and a further 20% for livestock feed crops33
Meanwhile, I'm still trying to purge my diet of anything containing HFCS (including crystallized fructose), Hydrogenated oils, Aspertame and anything-GMO. It's a surprisingly and increasingly difficult battle. Even more difficult is avoiding the ubiquitous, exponentially increasing "chemical additives". I'm REDUCING, not increasing my consumption of meats as a primary protein source, beef in particular (aside from the fact that the way it's produced in "large scale factories" now is so utterly heinous).
How can I remotely consider putting "synthetic meat" into my body, when I'm already doing battle AGAINST 'synthesized foods' on so many fronts?
ALL I want are Organically grown fresh fruit, vegetables, grains, seeds, and nuts. Organically raised (e.g. grass fed) fowl, livestock, and wild (and sustainably) caught seafood.
If Brin would put the same kind of time, energy and money into these concepts, we might have something to applaud.
Meanwhile, I'm still trying to purge my diet of anything containing HFCS (including crystallized fructose), Hydrogenated oils, Aspertame and anything-GMO. It's a surprisingly and increasingly difficult battle. Even more difficult is avoiding the ubiquitous, exponentially increasing "chemical additives". I'm REDUCING, not increasing my consumption of meats as a primary protein source, beef in particular (aside from the fact that the way it's produced in "large scale factories" now is so utterly heinous).
How can I remotely consider putting "synthetic meat" into my body, when I'm already doing battle AGAINST 'synthesized foods' on so many fronts?
ALL I want are Organically grown fresh fruit, vegetables, grains, seeds, and nuts. Organically raised (e.g. grass fed) fowl, livestock, and wild (and sustainably) caught seafood.
If Brin would put the same kind of time, energy and money into these concepts, we might have something to applaud.
Synthetic, lab-grown meat? Not so much...
And who's stem cells are they using???????
Maybe it will create chunks of guys like Sergey Brin in our stool.
Funny the responses to someone trying to help humanity. What has Apple or Tim Cook been working on that helps humanity?
Do you REALLY believe that this multi-billionaire, standing there ogling you with his omnipresent Google Glass, is funding the development of "synthetic hamburger meat" to "help humanity"?
Why would we take any kind of meats on a mission to Mars? There are so many fine, lighter weight and nutritional alternatives for the protein and nutritional sources we would need for a long trip like that.
Things like Kalbasa… and Italian Sausage… chicken tenders and corn dogs, ooh, Oscar Mayer Bologna and Armour Knackwurst!
Who needs processed, synthetic meats!? Oh, wait...
Agreed - there are so many recipes saved by bacon! and Pigs are so much smarter than cows - (see Animal Farm) If I had a spare $350K I would invest in cultured bacon.
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Yeah there's work to be done with the taste:
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/first-lab-grown-burger-is--like-a-protein-cake--143413831.html#PxMyITb
“Even if I had closed my eyes, I would have known the difference - it was crunchy, like a cake, and the texture was... surprising,” says Austrian food researcher Hanni Ruetzler.
Food writer Josh Schonwald says, “You mentioned the word cake - that’s what it was like... an animal protein cake.”
The burger looks much like a traditional one - a perfect pink disc with colour added from beetroot juice. In a frying pan, it sizzles like the real thing – although the way it goes brown is slightly artificial, like a frozen supermarket burger. It also seems to lack the smell of the real thing.
The burger has “lived” in a dish for three months - “shorter than it takes to grow a cow”.
The technology could be used to create anything from pork to chicken. More than one trillion cells can be grown from one cell taken from a cow, Post says - enough for ten tonnes of meat.
Current technology behind it could make beef at around $70 a kilo, Post says. He hopes that the price will come down as they research the subject further.
One of the problems Post’s project faces is that no one knows precisely what makes beef taste good.
“"Fat is important - and I think iron adds to the taste,” says Post. “But in meats there are 400 peptides, 400 aromatics - we don't know which one of those are important.”
If they get the taste and smell right and get the costs down, it could take off in a big way because of how quickly they can turn around the supply.
You missed the part where I said he is either a paid negative poster here or he has a drug problem that affects his ability to hold a two-sided conversation. And sure enough, he is now banned. I have no inside info as to why, but I imagine he was using a troll-associated address. He was consistently obstructionist. Sorry you didn't catch that.
I didn't say a word about Sergey Brin because I realize he's trying to do some good with his money. I have a lot of reservations about the wisdom of this project. If you watch the video, it's partly a commercial for the practice of beef-eating, which I find repellent. Millions of Indian vegetarians are right and the cow should be revered as a sacred animal, in my view. The focus should be on the obscene aspects of eating ground-up cow. Nobody wants to hear this stuff. Better to say nothing. Leave Mr. Brin to figure it out on his own since he certainly wouldn't be affected by anything I said here.
Same with that infuriating Google Glass. The reason that people instantly hate it so much when they see it on someone else is that it breaks a neurologically based rule about how we process faces, one of our deepest perceptual circuits. We respond positively to symmetrical faces and are helplessly repelled by asymmetry in faces. Glass breaks symmetry. I can't believe that Mr. Brin didn't figure this out on his own, or that no one in the Glass project saw it.
So, would you call my attitudes to Google's projects 'blind hatred'?
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Originally Posted by Flaneur
You missed the part where I said he is either a paid negative poster here or he has a drug problem that affects his ability to hold a two-sided conversation. And sure enough, he is now banned. I have no inside info as to why, but I imagine he was using a troll-associated address. He was consistently obstructionist. Sorry you didn't catch that.
I didn't say a word about Sergey Brin because I realize he's trying to do some good with his money. I have a lot of reservations about the wisdom of this project. If you watch the video, it's partly a commercial for the practice of beef-eating, which I find repellent. Millions of Indian vegetarians are right and the cow should be revered as a sacred animal, in my view. The focus should be on the obscene aspects of eating ground-up cow. Nobody wants to hear this stuff. Better to say nothing. Leave Mr. Brin to figure it out on his own since he certainly wouldn't be affected by anything I said here.
Same with that infuriating Google Glass. The reason that people instantly hate it so much when they see it on someone else is that it breaks a neurologically based rule about how we process faces, one of our deepest perceptual circuits. We respond positively to symmetrical faces and are helplessly repelled by asymmetry in faces. Glass breaks symmetry. I can't believe that Mr. Brin didn't figure this out on his own, or that no one in the Glass project saw it.
So, would you call my attitudes to Google's projects 'blind hatred'?
SO he is banned - maybe a troll - i know not nor care - but most of his posts in THIS thread have been clear, and reasonably well written, and they made a very good point. The blind hatred was not particularly directed at anyone, but at a majority of the negative haters on this site. I don't support the concept of leaving Brin to sort it out on his own - he may or may never read any articles here, but if anything encourages home to spend money on decent scientific endevours, that may play a small part in our future well being - then so be it.
I do like meat - two of my sons were strict vegans, now they remain vegetarians, to the point that if something may contain dairy, they will eat it. They successfully encouraged me to eat much less meat... ITS BAD!!!!! and what i do eat i try to get from local producers. But I love a good steak now and then.
To all those saying its a bad idea - and its going to be bad for us cos its filled with chemicals - WAIT - we are still at proof of concept here - and seriously - we are not ALL going to become vegans any time soon - we have to stop wasting so much water and LAND for cows to graze. I visited an abattoir in my teens - disgusting - made me think - there has to be a better way in this technological age - and Brins just one of many that are helping progress some decent ideas.
As for glass - and sadly any article about Brin always seems to use a stock photo of him wearing the creepy goggle..... I for the most part hate where its going. Surely - for a surgeon, or military specialist, or a whole host of people - such hardware, with the right software could be very positive. The regular public - in public or in private meetings recording stuff like this is a future i dont want to be in.
As for the asymmetry, its rooted deep into our brains, its why so many otherwise talentless people exist in Hollywood, earn so much more, and are so much more 'respected' by the masses. In old war movies the nasty german officer always wears a monocle....
Is culture meat the answer to the land, water and killing of so many animals - or is the answer cutting down on meat? Maybe there will be more than one solution - but give Brin some credit for at least trying to help humanity, even if its a very small way.
One last thing - The British medical journal Lancet reported a study of 20,000 Indian patients and found that 60 per cent of the world’s heart disease patients are in India, which has 15 per cent of the world’s population.
I didn't mean to sound negative about meat alternatives, I'm just less fond of the ones that imitate specific, identifiable animal products e.g. a turkey, bacon or fish-free prawns. Personally, I eat a lot of quorn but cook mainly with the mince, pieces or sometimes sausages or fillets; none of it is imitating a specific meat but I can use it in many recipes that I used to make with various meats.
I've managed to get a lot of my friends to try out meat alternatives, with much success. I'm not on a mission to convert them all to vegetarianism (I still eat real meat, just rarely) but there are so many recipes you can make that taste just as good with a meat substitute, not to mention all the fantastic things you can do with just vegetables.
Thanks very much for those links; some very interesting reading there. I agree that it's always encouraging to see big, influential companies investing outside of their core business areas. We'll never continue to make world-changing scientific discoveries unless there are people willing to invest in research just to see what happens.
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Originally Posted by Flaneur
I didn't say a word about Sergey Brin because I realize he's trying to do some good with his money. I have a lot of reservations about the wisdom of this project. If you watch the video, it's partly a commercial for the practice of beef-eating, which I find repellent. Millions of Indian vegetarians are right and the cow should be revered as a sacred animal, in my view. The focus should be on the obscene aspects of eating ground-up cow. Nobody wants to hear this stuff. Better to say nothing. Leave Mr. Brin to figure it out on his own since he certainly wouldn't be affected by anything I said here.
I too have reservations about the wisdom of trying to make artificial cow/hamburger. Anyone in their right mind would be working on BACON. Humankind can live forever without hamburger, but wouldn't last a generation without BACON. What was Brin thinking???
You don't mess with bacon.
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Originally Posted by Macky the Macky
I too have reservations about the wisdom of trying to make artificial cow/hamburger. Anyone in their right mind would be working on BACON. Humankind can live forever without hamburger, but wouldn't last a generation without BACON. What was Brin thinking???
Agreed - there are so many recipes saved by bacon! and Pigs are so much smarter than cows - (see Animal Farm) If I had a spare $350K I would invest in cultured bacon.
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Originally Posted by drblank
And what type of Apple? A Macintosh?
They haven't come up with an iPad Apple did they?
They're actually called McIntosh applies
Well, you'd want to know the vegetarian vs. carnivore factor in that study. And if vegetarian, the amount of ghee or hydrogenated fat, etc., in the diet. Otherwise, it's meaningless for our point here.
Good point about the monocle on the villains. I suppose twisted faces are in the same Hollywood bag. And Alfred E. Newman.
The treacherous thing about Glass is that it further exacerbates the split-brain problem that plagues our civilization. Notice that they tend to put it over the right eye, meaning they're addressing the detail-obsessed, holistically challenged left brain. This is a disaster in the making. They should have made it binocular. Sergey Brin is the kind of guy who would wear toe shoes in public.
Think about star trek. The food replicator. That's the future.
Has anyone besides me ever been in a real airplane? You know, you go to the airport, you go through security, you sit in a REAL AIRPLANE with a REAL PILOT and you go down the runway really, really fast and you fly?
And has anyone ever looked out that little window? Tell me, did you see cityscapes from horizon to horizon? No? Golly, wonder what could be done with all that ground beneath you? Maybe some of that land could be "farmed"? Perhaps some of that land could raise "cattle", "pigs" and "chickens"? You know, the stuff from what we actually get real "meat". Here's a hint - "real meat" tastes exactly like "real meat". Just like mankind has been eating for millennia.
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Originally Posted by ipen
Think about star trek. The food replicator. That's the future.
Well, I don't know if the Star Trek replicator used stem cell research....
I have to taste it, pass it through my lower intestine and see if it's any good. Remember those Lays WOW potato chips that caused intestinal issues with Olestra? Yeah, eat some Lay's WOW potato chips and then an hour later you're in the john saying WOW. Maybe that's where they got the name from.
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Originally Posted by Hodar
Umm, and the meat we are eating today is not sustainable exactly WHY?
Has anyone besides me ever been in a real airplane? You know, you go to the airport, you go through security, you sit in a REAL AIRPLANE with a REAL PILOT and you go down the runway really, really fast and you fly?
And has anyone ever looked out that little window? Tell me, did you see cityscapes from horizon to horizon? No? Golly, wonder what could be done with all that ground beneath you? Maybe some of that land could be "farmed"? Perhaps some of that land could raise "cattle", "pigs" and "chickens"? You know, the stuff from what we actually get real "meat". Here's a hint - "real meat" tastes exactly like "real meat". Just like mankind has been eating for millennia.
you know i have - well after city cities and towns, and urban development, there is TONS of space..... much of it not easily made into farmland, (water soil etc) but lots of trees and, if we find a way of producing more water (yes there is a worldwide shortage) we can keep cutting down the trees....
this is from worls wide preservation foundation - they have some interest in sustainability...
...deforestation emits 2.9 gigatons of carbon annually, more than a quarter of all human caused emissions31. A steep reduction in animal agriculture would therefore rapidly reduce these emissions and the associated soil carbon loss that occurs when forests are cleared to pasture then grazed32.
In Brazil, where deforestation rates are highest, pressure on forests to make way for grazing lands and feed crops is immense. Brazil has 200 million cattle, and plans to double this number. Already, 65-70% of all Brazilian forest clearing is directly for cattle ranching and a further 20% for livestock feed crops33
"Vat-grown beef"? You've got to be kidding.
Next up, Soylent Green. Yeah!
I mean, if you'll eat the VGB, why not the SG?
Synthetic Meat. Wow.
Meanwhile, I'm still trying to purge my diet of anything containing HFCS (including crystallized fructose), Hydrogenated oils, Aspertame and anything-GMO. It's a surprisingly and increasingly difficult battle. Even more difficult is avoiding the ubiquitous, exponentially increasing "chemical additives". I'm REDUCING, not increasing my consumption of meats as a primary protein source, beef in particular (aside from the fact that the way it's produced in "large scale factories" now is so utterly heinous).
How can I remotely consider putting "synthetic meat" into my body, when I'm already doing battle AGAINST 'synthesized foods' on so many fronts?
ALL I want are Organically grown fresh fruit, vegetables, grains, seeds, and nuts. Organically raised (e.g. grass fed) fowl, livestock, and wild (and sustainably) caught seafood.
If Brin would put the same kind of time, energy and money into these concepts, we might have something to applaud.
Synthetic, lab-grown meat? Not so much...
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No way I'm going to eat that. Ever.
"Vat-grown beef"? You've got to be kidding.
Next up, Soylent Green. Yeah!
I mean, if you'll eat the VGB, why not the SG?
Synthetic Meat. Wow.
Meanwhile, I'm still trying to purge my diet of anything containing HFCS (including crystallized fructose), Hydrogenated oils, Aspertame and anything-GMO. It's a surprisingly and increasingly difficult battle. Even more difficult is avoiding the ubiquitous, exponentially increasing "chemical additives". I'm REDUCING, not increasing my consumption of meats as a primary protein source, beef in particular (aside from the fact that the way it's produced in "large scale factories" now is so utterly heinous).
How can I remotely consider putting "synthetic meat" into my body, when I'm already doing battle AGAINST 'synthesized foods' on so many fronts?
ALL I want are Organically grown fresh fruit, vegetables, grains, seeds, and nuts. Organically raised (e.g. grass fed) fowl, livestock, and wild (and sustainably) caught seafood.
If Brin would put the same kind of time, energy and money into these concepts, we might have something to applaud.
Synthetic, lab-grown meat? Not so much...
And who's stem cells are they using???????
Maybe it will create chunks of guys like Sergey Brin in our stool.
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Originally Posted by mrrodriguez
Funny the responses to someone trying to help humanity. What has Apple or Tim Cook been working on that helps humanity?
Do you REALLY believe that this multi-billionaire, standing there ogling you with his omnipresent Google Glass, is funding the development of "synthetic hamburger meat" to "help humanity"?
Oh, you poor misguided soul...
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Originally Posted by drblank
And who's stem cells are they using???????
Maybe it will create chunks of guys like Sergey Brin in our stool.
Ew.
But it's a good question. Is the cow they derived the stem cells from a genetically modified variety?
e.g. Test tube sheep clones providing stem cells for vat-grown "synthetic ground lamb meat"?
ew….. seriously.
I can see the advertising now… some frothy commentator and a "babe" fawning over a 'burger' saying, "I can't believe it's not BEEF!"
*gag*
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
This is a good point. Seriously.
Why would we take any kind of meats on a mission to Mars? There are so many fine, lighter weight and nutritional alternatives for the protein and nutritional sources we would need for a long trip like that.
Things like Kalbasa… and Italian Sausage… chicken tenders and corn dogs, ooh, Oscar Mayer Bologna and Armour Knackwurst!
Who needs processed, synthetic meats!? Oh, wait...
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Originally Posted by Right_said_fred
Agreed - there are so many recipes saved by bacon! and Pigs are so much smarter than cows - (see Animal Farm) If I had a spare $350K I would invest in cultured bacon.
Charm School for Pigs?