This makes no sense to me. You are saying that the new iPhone 5s (the good one with the new parts and the fingerprint sensor will essentially be a hundred bucks cheaper, while at the same time saying the iPhone 5C (the iPhone "cheapo") will be more expensive than the current "cheap" iPhone options.
It makes more sense to me to say that the iPhone 5s will stay the same price as each year's iPhone has always been, and that the iPhone 5C will actually be more like $350, and $450.
I think the very fact that we've seen so many leaks of this back case for the iPhone 5C means that they are expecting huge volume and are testing the capability to make them by the millions in a very short time period. Rapid, cheaper manufacturing seems to be key to the new product. If they are expecting to sell so many of them so fast, I think the price will be a lot lower than many people are expecting.
You have it wrong. You could substitute iPhone 5 for what I wrote above for 5S and those are the current prices now. So yes I am saying the 5S will stay exactly the same as now.
The 5C prices will essentially replace the 4 and 4S in pricing compared to the current model
I wish they'd do this. Now *that* would actually be an innovative and transformative product. Shake up the industry a bit too.
I think they are too sacred to do this kind of thing at Apple nowadays. They play ball with the "big boys" and don't want to rock the boat.
How would that be "innovative"? Apple is too scared? The new Mac Pro should answer that question.
It is sorta interesting how apple is going to crunch 12 months (3-5 usually active) into 1-4 months. Face it that the only thing actually that has come out after WWDC is MacBook Air(and the airports behind it).
Intel was in San Francisco last year at the same time and Apple had their iPod/Phone/Pad event. Apple was at Yerba Buena last year so I expect the same, as you mentioned. Intel = Moscone, Apple = Yerba.
Oh, I thought you meant in the same venue. Like, since Intel's showcasing Thunderbolt 2, it would be a good opportunity for Apple to launch the Mac Pro during that presentation, highlighting the port's use.
See, this is what happens when titles are typed as fact.
Jrag answered for me- but yes, I was speaking historically. Also- as I mentioned earlier- all things D hasn't ever missed one launch date. Not one. So while I wouldn't bet my soul the date will be this, I might gamble a couple grand.
On a side note- I would like a bigger screen also as long as the phone isn't much larger at all. Apple did an amazing thing increasing from 3.5 to 4.0 all while making the phone smaller- thinner and lighter and barely extending the length. So id love a 4.3 or so because if Apple did it, they'd do it right. Of course, it's extremely unlikely. That said- gwac- you're very annoying with your persistence. We get it- you want a bigger phone. Apple are idiots for not doing it. We all agree with you... Ok... Ok... You can spare us now.
Jrag answered for me- but yes, I was speaking historically. Also- as I mentioned earlier- all things D hasn't ever missed one launch date. Not one. So while I wouldn't bet my soul the date will be this, I might gamble a couple grand.
Oh, I don't disbelieve it myself; it's just not fact yet, is all. If we're diligent about everything, we can avoid the pre-complaints about real (fake) issues that come from spreading thread titles around as fact.
Why would they launch products in the first of a week? Because it is going to be Friday, the thirteenth? It makes sense to have your product launched on Thursdays and Fridays, have your commercials up and running and within couple of days, that is going to be a weekend. I wish it would be on Thursday - Sep 12 or Sep 19.
People are already saying 4.7" would be too big compared to 4.0"
An iPad Mini would be ridiculous! Imagine the pants you'd need for that!
I think the point is that the only reason you would need a larger phone in the first place, is because you are using it more like a personal computer than a phone. A lot of folks, me included, have no real need for a "telephone" per se, except to tether their computer to, and they carry around their computer (iPad mini) with them everywhere they go anyway.
So if they would put the phone app on the iPad mini, then we could forget about smartphones altogether and just use our iPads for the once in a blue moon when we get an actual "telephone call."
Apple is unlikely to do this anytime soon though as their masters the cell providers, won't like it.
How would that be "innovative"? Apple is too scared? The new Mac Pro should answer that question.
Innovation is by definition something that hasn't been done before. A "proper" phone in a computer (a solution good enough to replace the phone in your pocket) actually hasn't been done yet.
I didn't mean Apple isn't scared to innovate, I meant Apple is scared of the cell providers too much to actually do this.
My main point was "disruptive" actually, not innovative. Although it would be both disruptive as well as innovative, it's the disruptive part that would stop it happening.
You have it wrong. You could substitute iPhone 5 for what I wrote above for 5S and those are the current prices now. So yes I am saying the 5S will stay exactly the same as now.
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No. By saying that the prices would include memory levels that are currently at a level of 100 bucks higher in price, you are suggesting a 100 buck discount on the 5s. Currently only 16GB is $650, you are saying the current $750 memory level will be that price.
I think the point is that the only reason you would need a larger phone in the first place, is because you are using it more like a personal computer than a phone. A lot of folks, me included, have no real need for a "telephone" per se, except to tether their computer to, and they carry around their computer (iPad mini) with them everywhere they go anyway.
So if they would put the phone app on the iPad mini, then we could forget about smartphones altogether and just use our iPads for the once in a blue moon when we get an actual "telephone call."
Apple is unlikely to do this anytime soon though as their masters the cell providers, won't like it. :)
This is exactly my situation -- and I suspect it is the same for may adults. I find myself carrying both an iPad and an iPhone, when one would do,
i think Apple could accomplish this by making the carriers "an offer they can't refuse".
My phone services should should be tied to me -- not to my devices!
When not if Apple release a larger iPhone I can't wait to see how quickly a few here will pretend they never said it won't or shouldn't happen. Funny how it is the same group who swore that 3.5" was the perfect size and would not be altered before the iPhone 5 came out.
I have long said the sweet spot is between 3.5" and 4.0".
Innovation is by definition something that hasn't been done before. A "proper" phone in a computer (a solution good enough to replace the phone in your pocket) actually hasn't been done yet.
I didn't mean Apple isn't scared to innovate, I meant Apple is scared of the cell providers too much to actually do this.
My main point was "disruptive" actually, not innovative. Although it would be both disruptive as well as innovative, it's the disruptive part that would stop it happening.
I'm sorry but I doubt a lot of people want a "proper" phone in a computer.
Apple isn't scared of the carriers. It still doesn't allow branding or crap carrier apps preinstalled. It still commands a great no contract month-to-month data plans for the iPad.
It could come earlier -- Except for a few UI quirks in DP5 the OS is solid.
It does seem that way for sure, I just have a suspicion they might do the Mac Pro and Mavericks as one show, separate from all the iPhone and iOS stuff. I could be wrong, it wouldn't be the first time .
I am dual booting as I have an SSD for Mountain Lion as my primary boot and HDD for Mavericks (in place of an optical in my MBPro i7). I've stay mainly with Mountain Lion 10.8.5 simply for the speed of the SSD which is mind boggling compared with the HDD.
By they way, how to you find Time Machine handles such upgrades? It seems to refuse to go back farther than the point when an OS gets a major bump which is another reason hesitating updating my main drive.
Innovation is by definition something that hasn't been done before. A "proper" phone in a computer (a solution good enough to replace the phone in your pocket) actually hasn't been done yet.
I didn't mean Apple isn't scared to innovate, I meant Apple is scared of the cell providers too much to actually do this.
My main point was "disruptive" actually, not innovative. Although it would be both disruptive as well as innovative, it's the disruptive part that would stop it happening.
I'm sorry but I doubt a lot of people want a "proper" phone in a computer.
Apple isn't scared of the carriers. It still doesn't allow branding or crap carrier apps preinstalled. It still commands a great no contract month-to-month data plans for the iPad.
I think the "computer" he was mainly referring to is the iPad -- especially the iPad Mini. Though, it would apply to some use cases of MacBooks.
The thing is, when you are out and about, you may prefer to carry only one device -- and that device would need "proper" phone capabilities...
Now, if the "proper" phone function could be provided by a wearable wristband (or some such) -- that would elegantly resolve the issue.
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee
This makes no sense to me. You are saying that the new iPhone 5s (the good one with the new parts and the fingerprint sensor will essentially be a hundred bucks cheaper, while at the same time saying the iPhone 5C (the iPhone "cheapo") will be more expensive than the current "cheap" iPhone options.
It makes more sense to me to say that the iPhone 5s will stay the same price as each year's iPhone has always been, and that the iPhone 5C will actually be more like $350, and $450.
I think the very fact that we've seen so many leaks of this back case for the iPhone 5C means that they are expecting huge volume and are testing the capability to make them by the millions in a very short time period. Rapid, cheaper manufacturing seems to be key to the new product. If they are expecting to sell so many of them so fast, I think the price will be a lot lower than many people are expecting.
You have it wrong. You could substitute iPhone 5 for what I wrote above for 5S and those are the current prices now. So yes I am saying the 5S will stay exactly the same as now.
The 5C prices will essentially replace the 4 and 4S in pricing compared to the current model
How would that be "innovative"? Apple is too scared? The new Mac Pro should answer that question.
Originally Posted by Marvin
Intel was in San Francisco last year at the same time and Apple had their iPod/Phone/Pad event. Apple was at Yerba Buena last year so I expect the same, as you mentioned. Intel = Moscone, Apple = Yerba.
Oh, I thought you meant in the same venue. Like, since Intel's showcasing Thunderbolt 2, it would be a good opportunity for Apple to launch the Mac Pro during that presentation, highlighting the port's use.
On a side note- I would like a bigger screen also as long as the phone isn't much larger at all. Apple did an amazing thing increasing from 3.5 to 4.0 all while making the phone smaller- thinner and lighter and barely extending the length. So id love a 4.3 or so because if Apple did it, they'd do it right. Of course, it's extremely unlikely. That said- gwac- you're very annoying with your persistence. We get it- you want a bigger phone. Apple are idiots for not doing it. We all agree with you... Ok... Ok... You can spare us now.
Originally Posted by Andysol
Jrag answered for me- but yes, I was speaking historically. Also- as I mentioned earlier- all things D hasn't ever missed one launch date. Not one. So while I wouldn't bet my soul the date will be this, I might gamble a couple grand.
Oh, I don't disbelieve it myself; it's just not fact yet, is all. If we're diligent about everything, we can avoid the pre-complaints about real (fake) issues that come from spreading thread titles around as fact.
Oh come on...
People are already saying 4.7" would be too big compared to 4.0"
An iPad Mini would be ridiculous! Imagine the pants you'd need for that!
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Originally Posted by Michael Scrip
Oh come on...
People are already saying 4.7" would be too big compared to 4.0"
An iPad Mini would be ridiculous! Imagine the pants you'd need for that!
I think the point is that the only reason you would need a larger phone in the first place, is because you are using it more like a personal computer than a phone. A lot of folks, me included, have no real need for a "telephone" per se, except to tether their computer to, and they carry around their computer (iPad mini) with them everywhere they go anyway.
So if they would put the phone app on the iPad mini, then we could forget about smartphones altogether and just use our iPads for the once in a blue moon when we get an actual "telephone call."
Apple is unlikely to do this anytime soon though as their masters the cell providers, won't like it.
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Originally Posted by jungmark
How would that be "innovative"? Apple is too scared? The new Mac Pro should answer that question.
Innovation is by definition something that hasn't been done before. A "proper" phone in a computer (a solution good enough to replace the phone in your pocket) actually hasn't been done yet.
I didn't mean Apple isn't scared to innovate, I meant Apple is scared of the cell providers too much to actually do this.
My main point was "disruptive" actually, not innovative. Although it would be both disruptive as well as innovative, it's the disruptive part that would stop it happening.
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Originally Posted by gwmac
You have it wrong. You could substitute iPhone 5 for what I wrote above for 5S and those are the current prices now. So yes I am saying the 5S will stay exactly the same as now.
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No. By saying that the prices would include memory levels that are currently at a level of 100 bucks higher in price, you are suggesting a 100 buck discount on the 5s. Currently only 16GB is $650, you are saying the current $750 memory level will be that price.
This is exactly my situation -- and I suspect it is the same for may adults. I find myself carrying both an iPad and an iPhone, when one would do,
i think Apple could accomplish this by making the carriers "an offer they can't refuse".
My phone services should should be tied to me -- not to my devices!
I have long said the sweet spot is between 3.5" and 4.0".
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Originally Posted by Michael Scrip
Oh come on...
People are already saying 4.7" would be too big compared to 4.0"
An iPad Mini would be ridiculous! Imagine the pants you'd need for that!
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Originally Posted by Steven N.
I have long said the sweet spot is between 3.5" and 4.0".
Moto X has 4.7 inch screen with similar iPhone 5 phone size.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Zwwc4zAEvo
I'm sorry but I doubt a lot of people want a "proper" phone in a computer.
Apple isn't scared of the carriers. It still doesn't allow branding or crap carrier apps preinstalled. It still commands a great no contract month-to-month data plans for the iPad.
It does seem that way for sure, I just have a suspicion they might do the Mac Pro and Mavericks as one show, separate from all the iPhone and iOS stuff. I could be wrong, it wouldn't be the first time
I am dual booting as I have an SSD for Mountain Lion as my primary boot and HDD for Mavericks (in place of an optical in my MBPro i7). I've stay mainly with Mountain Lion 10.8.5 simply for the speed of the SSD which is mind boggling compared with the HDD.
By they way, how to you find Time Machine handles such upgrades? It seems to refuse to go back farther than the point when an OS gets a major bump which is another reason hesitating updating my main drive.
I guess that would depend on how you define 'similar'
http://www.designntrend.com/articles/6809/20130802/moto-x-vs-iphone-5-specs-price-new-motorola-android-phone-compare.htm
"According to Digital Trends, In terms of size the iPhone 5 is 123.8 x 58.6 x 7.6 (mm), while the Moto X is 129 x 65 x 10.4 (mm). The iPhone 5 weighs 112g, while the Moto X weighs 130g."
So Moto X is 37% thicker, 11% wider, 4% taller, and 16% heavier than the iPhone 5. That's actually a significant difference for a phone.
http://www.loopinsight.com/2013/08/12/apples-rumored-september-10-iphone-event/
Yep
So the bezel surrounding the MotoX screen must be substantially smaller then? Not sure. There's about a 20% difference in the display sizes.
I think the "computer" he was mainly referring to is the iPad -- especially the iPad Mini. Though, it would apply to some use cases of MacBooks.
The thing is, when you are out and about, you may prefer to carry only one device -- and that device would need "proper" phone capabilities...
Now, if the "proper" phone function could be provided by a wearable wristband (or some such) -- that would elegantly resolve the issue.