But I'm sure that there will be some type of override if the fingerprint gets damaged. A cut, burned or bruised finger could render it unreadable.
Yes, and that's why requiring a fingerprint to activate it won't work. If I can't get to my phone and need some information from it, no one else would be able to access it -- which won't happen.
Besides, whether or not the home button is deactivated wont affect whether the physical mechanism can be depressed -- and that's the primary fail of my iPhone 4; the home button is "sticky" not reliably functioning the way it's supposed to (after a year), and that I have read is directly attributable to an underspeced part unable to withstand the constant use.
Also, if there's some sensor that requires the presence of a finger to activate, why have a physical button at all? Just a flat fixed plate where the home button was.
In fact that makes more sense than anything. Lose the physical button. Use the fingerprint to differentiate the space from the rest of the touch screen to avoid accidental activation.
Then again, how do people without hands or fingers use it? The current iPhone can be used with pointing devices. A fingerprint required to activate button would prevent this.
I'm not sure that anyone is saying that the fingerprint option will be the only way to unlock the phone or, even if it is the selected option, that there will not be another way in, with a reasonably secure password for example. I would guess that fingerprint authentication is attractive because it is potentially faster and simpler than entering codes or passwords, while still quite secure. Those who can't or don't want to use it but still want to lock their phones can presumably just use the regular PIN method.
Whether a 'click' is registered without a fingerprint or not, it's still a 'little' troubling that a component that is so critically important will be the one and only element that 'protrudes' outward from a surface on this device.
Whether a 'click' is registered without a fingerprint or not, it's still a 'little' troubling that a component that is so critically important will be the one and only element that 'protrudes' outward from a surface on this device.
Yet another guess from an analyst presented as fact. In reality, analysts are no better than carnival fortune tellers. They're just not as accurate nor as entertaining.
Yet another guess from an analyst presented as fact. In reality, analysts are no better than carnival fortune tellers. They're just not as accurate nor as entertaining.
There's nothing wrong with using the knowledge you're gathered to come up with a projection of what's to come. It's done all the time, even by "random internet guys" like us. The problem lies with sites like AI and others grabbing hold of hand-picked "analyst opinions" and expounding on them as more or less factual, or plainly silly if it suits the forum/blog target audience more.
They probably have bigger problems than worrying about any phone.
Remember what Steve Jobs said under the keynote for the presentation for the iPhone, it uses the best input device in the world, and we all have them, we are born with them, 10 of them, our fingers. Apple makes devices for the masses, not for people with no hands.
Apple seems to me to think quite a bit about accessibility options for handicapped people. I believe Stevie Wonder uses an iPhone.
If a person with no arms can use an iPhone with a pointing device (as op stated) then I bet they will be able to with the new iPhone.
. . . Besides, whether or not the home button is deactivated wont affect whether the physical mechanism can be depressed -- and that's the primary fail of my iPhone 4; the home button is "sticky" not reliably functioning the way it's supposed to (after a year), and that I have read is directly attributable to an underspeced part unable to withstand the constant use. . .
My iPad one home button is fine after three years, iPhone 4S after two years. It's a very high-quality swtch.
Maybe you're allowing it to get dirty underneath (I would try contact cleaner spray with the button depressed, holding the device face down), or maybe you're pressing too hard (no cure except be mindful on your next device).
He does. I saw an interview him saying that. I think it actually was during that 'Live At Last' concert DVD, even.
I heard from a blind friend of mine that the iPhone is very highly regarded by the blind people he knows and that is quite a few because his business is related to providing job opportunities for blind individuals.
They probably have bigger problems than worrying about any phone....Apple makes devices for the masses, not for people with no hands.
Unlike yourself, Apple is probably more concerned with their public image in not ignoring those physically disabled persons.
Jobs did not say anything I didn't say ... currently the iPhone can be used with pointing devices for those without fingers, hands or arms. He didnt say anything about requiring fingerprints to use it. And no, I wouldn't assume they have bigger problems than being able to use a smart phone. Some of them could probably give you a run for your money in tasks you routinely use your hands and fingers for that you take for granted.
Here's a headline for you: Carpenter loses his hands in accident because his iPhone would not activate without a live fingerprint.
But forget amputees, what a pain it would be if I had to take off my gloves every time I needed to access my phone. They have gloves now that do not have to be removed to use touch screens. But there's no way around fingerprints.
As @Netrox pointed out, a convex home button with fingerprint sensing capabilities wouldn't be triggered by anything except a finger. No need for special "pocket detection" capabilities. It work when your finger pressed it and not otherwise. The article did a good job of explaining the technical reasons necessitating a convex button and no one has a better prediction record than Mr. Kuo. We'll know on September 10, but sounds legit to me.
But forget amputees, what a pain it would be if I had to take off my gloves every time I needed to access my phone. They have gloves now that do not have to be removed to use touch screens. But there's no way around fingerprints.
Especially just to see the time. There is no reason to authenticate to see the time. The idea that the home button will require a fingerprint is ridiculous. Besides as it is now I can press the home button with any finger or thumb of either hand using either a flat finger or the finger tip. To require an exact procedure with a dedicated finger just to see the time is absurd.
Normally I keep my iPhone in my left front pocket and to see the time I use my left thumb. If I am actually using the device I hold the phone in my left hand and press the home button with my right forefinger.
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But I'm sure that there will be some type of override if the fingerprint gets damaged. A cut, burned or bruised finger could render it unreadable.
Yes, and that's why requiring a fingerprint to activate it won't work. If I can't get to my phone and need some information from it, no one else would be able to access it -- which won't happen.
Besides, whether or not the home button is deactivated wont affect whether the physical mechanism can be depressed -- and that's the primary fail of my iPhone 4; the home button is "sticky" not reliably functioning the way it's supposed to (after a year), and that I have read is directly attributable to an underspeced part unable to withstand the constant use.
Also, if there's some sensor that requires the presence of a finger to activate, why have a physical button at all? Just a flat fixed plate where the home button was.
In fact that makes more sense than anything. Lose the physical button. Use the fingerprint to differentiate the space from the rest of the touch screen to avoid accidental activation.
Then again, how do people without hands or fingers use it? The current iPhone can be used with pointing devices. A fingerprint required to activate button would prevent this.
I'm not sure that anyone is saying that the fingerprint option will be the only way to unlock the phone or, even if it is the selected option, that there will not be another way in, with a reasonably secure password for example. I would guess that fingerprint authentication is attractive because it is potentially faster and simpler than entering codes or passwords, while still quite secure. Those who can't or don't want to use it but still want to lock their phones can presumably just use the regular PIN method.
http://www.minyanville.com/sectors/technology/articles/Will-PayPal-Face-Verification-System-Kick/8/9/2013/id/51233
... if the rumor is even true in the first place.
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kdarling, "That was the whole idea behind the current concave design... to not easily be accidentally clicked."
I have the feeling that if you accidently click the button that does not detect a fingerprint, it will do nothing.
I use iPhone wearing latex examination gloves. It works well in the current version.
There's nothing wrong with using the knowledge you're gathered to come up with a projection of what's to come. It's done all the time, even by "random internet guys" like us. The problem lies with sites like AI and others grabbing hold of hand-picked "analyst opinions" and expounding on them as more or less factual, or plainly silly if it suits the forum/blog target audience more.
Apple seems to me to think quite a bit about accessibility options for handicapped people. I believe Stevie Wonder uses an iPhone.
If a person with no arms can use an iPhone with a pointing device (as op stated) then I bet they will be able to with the new iPhone.
I generally like to employ restraint but your post is just killing me.
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My iPad one home button is fine after three years, iPhone 4S after two years. It's a very high-quality swtch.
Maybe you're allowing it to get dirty underneath (I would try contact cleaner spray with the button depressed, holding the device face down), or maybe you're pressing too hard (no cure except be mindful on your next device).
If it really is convex, I bet we're talking only VERY slightly. Like almost imperceptibly.
It's not going to be like a Playstation button.
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I use iPhone wearing latex examination gloves. It works well in the current version.
I generally like to employ restraint but your post is just killing me.
Sorry I should have elaborated. For medical instrument manufacturing. Just saying I don't imagine the new button will require a fingerprint.
He does. I saw an interview him saying that. I think it actually was during that 'Live At Last' concert DVD, even.
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I believe Stevie Wonder uses an iPhone.
He does. I saw an interview him saying that. I think it actually was during that 'Live At Last' concert DVD, even.
I heard from a blind friend of mine that the iPhone is very highly regarded by the blind people he knows and that is quite a few because his business is related to providing job opportunities for blind individuals.
Jobs did not say anything I didn't say ... currently the iPhone can be used with pointing devices for those without fingers, hands or arms. He didnt say anything about requiring fingerprints to use it. And no, I wouldn't assume they have bigger problems than being able to use a smart phone. Some of them could probably give you a run for your money in tasks you routinely use your hands and fingers for that you take for granted.
Here's a headline for you: Carpenter loses his hands in accident because his iPhone would not activate without a live fingerprint.
But forget amputees, what a pain it would be if I had to take off my gloves every time I needed to access my phone. They have gloves now that do not have to be removed to use touch screens. But there's no way around fingerprints.
The article did a good job of explaining the technical reasons necessitating a convex button and no one has a better prediction record than Mr. Kuo. We'll know on September 10, but sounds legit to me.
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But forget amputees, what a pain it would be if I had to take off my gloves every time I needed to access my phone. They have gloves now that do not have to be removed to use touch screens. But there's no way around fingerprints.
Especially just to see the time. There is no reason to authenticate to see the time. The idea that the home button will require a fingerprint is ridiculous. Besides as it is now I can press the home button with any finger or thumb of either hand using either a flat finger or the finger tip. To require an exact procedure with a dedicated finger just to see the time is absurd.
Normally I keep my iPhone in my left front pocket and to see the time I use my left thumb. If I am actually using the device I hold the phone in my left hand and press the home button with my right forefinger.
Yes, I am aware that many blind people love iOS, and Stevie Wonder even praised Steve Jobs and the iPhone/iPad back in 2011 for being so accessible.