Well at least someone can innovate. Too bad Apple can't recognize that there are a lot of people who would use a stylus with an iPad, just like they originally failed to recognize that people would play games on iPhones and iPad. In the later Newton versions, digitizer support and handwriting recognition were actually pretty good. If Apple put half the effort they have into Siri they could add decent stylus and handwriting recognition in iOS and still maintain all the convenience using your fingers gives you when you are dealing with a small device like an iPhone. Apple used to be about empowering people with tools to create, not just consume. Lately it does not seem that way. I have a Wacom tablet and look forward to seeing if this new stylus will help make the iPad a decent creative tool.
Who should be developing a stylus (or any piece of hardware or software) for the iPad is an interesting question. To me Wacom seems like the company that should be (and are, it appears) developing a good stylus. They've done a great job in the past from what I understand so they must have some expertise. If I was doing art or anything that needed a stylus I'm sure I'd want Apple to make one, they make awesome stuff. But Apple has built a platform that Wacom and many other companies can develop technology on. Apple can't and shouldn't try to do it all. "If Apple wanted to it could..." I'm hearing that more often it seems. And it's usually true, they could. But should they? I think having Apple provide a stylus this early in the evolution of tablets would encourage people to think they were necessary. Imo In the future if they thought they could provide a better tool to artists they might. But I think their focus is intentionally elsewhere right now. Before iOS wasn't Wacom the tool of choice on a Mac (or pc)? I guess maybe it still is?
I can understand really, really wanting Apple to make any particular item, but saying they don't support creativitity seems wrong.
looks like they do have exchangeable knobs - but if x/y accuracy is limited by capacitive touch - then its no use for technical sketching - even with pressure. Bet oyu cannot easily and precisely extend a previously drawn line.
I've used an older stylus and was able to do "technical sketching" just fine. Use a vector graphics tool instead of a bitmap graphic sketch tool.
Meh - I did the ipad2+jot touch+procreate and it was ok at best. Moved on to a Lenovo thinkpad2 (Wacom digitizer built in) and ArtRage - and it is a much better set up. I guess if you already have an ipad and do not want to spend more money it is ok, but if starting from scratch there are better options right now.
seems to have the same awfull chunky nib as the Pogo connect.
[B] ? [/B]iOS system-wide "tele-strator" software and SDK
[B] ? [/B]12 inch 256 GB iPad
[B] ? [/B]USB 3.1 10 Gbps Lightening support -- including HD video I/O
Could be ready for March Madness… Bring Madden out of retirement… Be part of every "live news" kit… Interactive Apple Maps, Pages, Keynote… Interactive interface to FCPX and other Pro apps…
Well at least someone can innovate. Too bad Apple can't recognize that there are a lot of people who would use a stylus with an iPad, just like they originally failed to recognize that people would play games on iPhones and iPad. In the later Newton versions, digitizer support and handwriting recognition were actually pretty good. If Apple put half the effort they have into Siri they could add decent stylus and handwriting recognition in iOS and still maintain all the convenience using your fingers gives you when you are dealing with a small device like an iPhone. Apple used to be about empowering people with tools to create, not just consume. Lately it does not seem that way. I have a Wacom tablet and look forward to seeing if this new stylus will help make the iPad a decent creative tool.
Ugh ! Your getting it wrong. The stylus helps only to enhance particular segments like drawing. It's not intended for anything else. Which is why applications are designed the way they are. Apple has that notion right while Wacom also has the notion right that to draw ur better off with a pen than ur fingers.
Tip still thick as a crayon, I know, it's Apple's fault. At some point future iPads might support proper pen input. Until then we're supposed to draw thin pencil lines with a thick crayon.
Tip still thick as a crayon, I know, it's Apple's fault. At some point future iPads might support proper pen input. Until then we're supposed to draw thin pencil lines with a thick crayon.
You can zoom to a pixel level with a software loupe -- been doing that since MacPaint onthe original Mac.
Well at least someone can innovate. Too bad Apple can't recognize that there are a lot of people who would use a stylus with an iPad, just like they originally failed to recognize that people would play games on iPhones and iPad. In the later Newton versions, digitizer support and handwriting recognition were actually pretty good. If Apple put half the effort they have into Siri they could add decent stylus and handwriting recognition in iOS and still maintain all the convenience using your fingers gives you when you are dealing with a small device like an iPhone. Apple used to be about empowering people with tools to create, not just consume. Lately it does not seem that way. I have a Wacom tablet and look forward to seeing if this new stylus will help make the iPad a decent creative tool.
I couldn't have said it better myself. I usually can't, but I've said this before. If Apple want's the Notes or Pages app to replace the paper notepad and pen, they're going to have to make the iPad function like one. Being a Architect, we use notepad to sketch, take notes, annotate, etc. during meetings. What a joy this would be if the Notes app could doodle, transcribe handwriting and be a little bit more free-form when it comes to taking notes. Just think of all the school-based uses this could have!? Then add scalable grid paper to 1/8" or 1/4" grids an you have a really powerful tool for just about anyone. I know Jobs shunned the Newton, but that was over 10 year prior to the launch of the iOS. Surely by now there must be some people at Apple that think this is a good idea now.
Will it work on PDFs/Pages/KN/Numbers -- e.g., being able to write on slides?
I think this is unlikely as these kind of styluses (which have been available from others for a long time now) require the app to support it in a way that can seriously affect the design of the app. I don't see Pages or any of Apple's software allowing that sort of thing. Basic sketch and drawing apps (all of whom are still desperate for new users) will likely support it based on Wacoms name alone.
You can zoom to a pixel level with a software loupe -- been doing that since MacPaint onthe original Mac.
That makes it possible, but it still isn't proper drawing. After a few minutes of that it will drive you crazy. Imagine having to zoom in in real life, on a real drawing and you can immediately see that this "solution" isn't really a solution.
Hard to imagine that this will blow away the pogo connect. It's an awesome Bluetooth 4.0 pen with pressure sensitivity, I'm using it with procreate and am thrilled. Looking at some if the procreate examples will blow your mind, awesome stuff.,
Well at least someone can innovate. Too bad Apple can't recognize that there are a lot of people who would use a stylus with an iPad, just like they originally failed to recognize that people would play games on iPhones and iPad. In the later Newton versions, digitizer support and handwriting recognition were actually pretty good. If Apple put half the effort they have into Siri they could add decent stylus and handwriting recognition in iOS and still maintain all the convenience using your fingers gives you when you are dealing with a small device like an iPhone. Apple used to be about empowering people with tools to create, not just consume. Lately it does not seem that way. I have a Wacom tablet and look forward to seeing if this new stylus will help make the iPad a decent creative tool.
Ridiculous rant! Give it a rest - what do you think these third parties are doing?
You can zoom to a pixel level with a software loupe -- been doing that since MacPaint onthe original Mac.
While this is true, I agree that the time has come that hopefully Apple is looking into a finer level of writing etc for the iPads. Not scads of pressure support, frankly I don't think that many folks would really need it. But perhaps a mild amount Iike 80-100 levels with smaller touch points. Many businesses are using iPads for signing legal documents, heck even Apple does, so better cleaner handwriting support would be in order. It would also improve drawing etc.
A some kind of system wide SDK support for these third party devices so they work with all apps wouldn't be out of order.
looks like they do have exchangeable knobs - but if x/y accuracy is limited by capacitive touch - then its no use for technical sketching - even with pressure. Bet oyu cannot easily and precisely extend a previously drawn line.
Is hand-drawn accuracy really an issue in technical drawing?
In fact, is hand drawing really an issue in technical drawing?
That makes it possible, but it still isn't proper drawing. After a few minutes of that it will drive you crazy. Imagine having to zoom in in real life, on a real drawing and you can immediately see that this "solution" isn't really a solution.
When you say "should work well in those cases," do you mean it works well in the "cases" of PDF/KN/Pages/Numbers (to which I referred), or do you mean "the software in question [that] supports it" to which you refer (in which case, it would be a somewhat tautological statement).
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First, the specs impressed me, then I got to the price and was blown away.
This like finding out your new girlfriend tastes just like bacon...
Who should be developing a stylus (or any piece of hardware or software) for the iPad is an interesting question. To me Wacom seems like the company that should be (and are, it appears) developing a good stylus. They've done a great job in the past from what I understand so they must have some expertise. If I was doing art or anything that needed a stylus I'm sure I'd want Apple to make one, they make awesome stuff. But Apple has built a platform that Wacom and many other companies can develop technology on. Apple can't and shouldn't try to do it all. "If Apple wanted to it could..." I'm hearing that more often it seems. And it's usually true, they could. But should they? I think having Apple provide a stylus this early in the evolution of tablets would encourage people to think they were necessary. Imo In the future if they thought they could provide a better tool to artists they might. But I think their focus is intentionally elsewhere right now. Before iOS wasn't Wacom the tool of choice on a Mac (or pc)? I guess maybe it still is?
I can understand really, really wanting Apple to make any particular item, but saying they don't support creativitity seems wrong.
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Originally Posted by Right_said_fred
looks like they do have exchangeable knobs - but if x/y accuracy is limited by capacitive touch - then its no use for technical sketching - even with pressure. Bet oyu cannot easily and precisely extend a previously drawn line.
I've used an older stylus and was able to do "technical sketching" just fine. Use a vector graphics tool instead of a bitmap graphic sketch tool.
Works a treat...
Meh - I did the ipad2+jot touch+procreate and it was ok at best. Moved on to a Lenovo thinkpad2 (Wacom digitizer built in) and ArtRage - and it is a much better set up. I guess if you already have an ipad and do not want to spend more money it is ok, but if starting from scratch there are better options right now.
seems to have the same awfull chunky nib as the Pogo connect.
[B] ? [/B]Wacom pressure-sensitive stylus
[B] ? [/B]iOS system-wide "tele-strator" software and SDK
[B] ? [/B]12 inch 256 GB iPad
[B] ? [/B]USB 3.1 10 Gbps Lightening support -- including HD video I/O
Could be ready for March Madness… Bring Madden out of retirement… Be part of every "live news" kit… Interactive Apple Maps, Pages, Keynote… Interactive interface to FCPX and other Pro apps…
Nah! Meh… nothin' here -- move on!
Ugh ! Your getting it wrong. The stylus helps only to enhance particular segments like drawing. It's not intended for anything else. Which is why applications are designed the way they are. Apple has that notion right while Wacom also has the notion right that to draw ur better off with a pen than ur fingers.
You can zoom to a pixel level with a software loupe -- been doing that since MacPaint onthe original Mac.
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Originally Posted by msimpson
Well at least someone can innovate. Too bad Apple can't recognize that there are a lot of people who would use a stylus with an iPad, just like they originally failed to recognize that people would play games on iPhones and iPad. In the later Newton versions, digitizer support and handwriting recognition were actually pretty good. If Apple put half the effort they have into Siri they could add decent stylus and handwriting recognition in iOS and still maintain all the convenience using your fingers gives you when you are dealing with a small device like an iPhone. Apple used to be about empowering people with tools to create, not just consume. Lately it does not seem that way. I have a Wacom tablet and look forward to seeing if this new stylus will help make the iPad a decent creative tool.
I couldn't have said it better myself. I usually can't, but I've said this before. If Apple want's the Notes or Pages app to replace the paper notepad and pen, they're going to have to make the iPad function like one. Being a Architect, we use notepad to sketch, take notes, annotate, etc. during meetings. What a joy this would be if the Notes app could doodle, transcribe handwriting and be a little bit more free-form when it comes to taking notes. Just think of all the school-based uses this could have!? Then add scalable grid paper to 1/8" or 1/4" grids an you have a really powerful tool for just about anyone. I know Jobs shunned the Newton, but that was over 10 year prior to the launch of the iOS. Surely by now there must be some people at Apple that think this is a good idea now.
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
Will it work on PDFs/Pages/KN/Numbers -- e.g., being able to write on slides?
I think this is unlikely as these kind of styluses (which have been available from others for a long time now) require the app to support it in a way that can seriously affect the design of the app. I don't see Pages or any of Apple's software allowing that sort of thing. Basic sketch and drawing apps (all of whom are still desperate for new users) will likely support it based on Wacoms name alone.
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum
You can zoom to a pixel level with a software loupe -- been doing that since MacPaint onthe original Mac.
That makes it possible, but it still isn't proper drawing. After a few minutes of that it will drive you crazy. Imagine having to zoom in in real life, on a real drawing and you can immediately see that this "solution" isn't really a solution.
http://procreate.si go about half way down
Ridiculous rant! Give it a rest - what do you think these third parties are doing?
While this is true, I agree that the time has come that hopefully Apple is looking into a finer level of writing etc for the iPads. Not scads of pressure support, frankly I don't think that many folks would really need it. But perhaps a mild amount Iike 80-100 levels with smaller touch points. Many businesses are using iPads for signing legal documents, heck even Apple does, so better cleaner handwriting support would be in order. It would also improve drawing etc.
A some kind of system wide SDK support for these third party devices so they work with all apps wouldn't be out of order.
Cool, I guess. But the nib is so big, that it doesn't seem to be better than the Pogo connect. And not even close to as accurate as the Jot Touch 4.
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Originally Posted by Right_said_fred
looks like they do have exchangeable knobs - but if x/y accuracy is limited by capacitive touch - then its no use for technical sketching - even with pressure. Bet oyu cannot easily and precisely extend a previously drawn line.
Is hand-drawn accuracy really an issue in technical drawing?
In fact, is hand drawing really an issue in technical drawing?
LOL. Ever done pointillism?
Originally Posted by anantksundaram
When you say "should work well in those cases," do you mean it works well in the "cases" of PDF/KN/Pages/Numbers (to which I referred), or do you mean "the software in question [that] supports it" to which you refer (in which case, it would be a somewhat tautological statement).
The former; apologies.
maybe your best ever post on this forum.