I suspect it's much the same reason why you, Gatorguy and DroidFTW wasted time adding your comments to the thread. Instead of criticising Apple and/or defending Google on an Apple forum, you could be making useful comments on Google forums to Google fans.
HOO-RAH. I love that you've kicked up the humor and snark as of late. Keep it up!
I've never said anything like any of the stuff that you posted so I'm not sure what you're talking about and I don't believe it's fair to create a strawman and then hold it against people.
That said, Tallest Skil approves of your 'increase in snark' as opposed to your normal, level headed posting, what does this tell you? (that's rhetorical, btw)
That said, Tallest Skil approves of your 'increase in snark' as opposed to your normal level headed posting, what does this tell you? (that's rhetorical, btw)
Tells YOU folk to cut the crap and get out, dunnit? When the most level headed of us are fed up with your nonsense.
Just more whining from the same person who insisted that Apple Maps was unusable - even after independent testing showed that it was just as good as Google Maps.
I don't think you'll find many people who thought Apple maps was very good when it first came out. Even Tim Cook acknowledged that it was sort of half baked. It might be fine now. I wouldn't know because I don't ever use it. It is sort of like once you have crappy service or a bad meal at a restaurant you never go back even if they put up a sign saying "Under New Management".
It'd be great if she did more jokes like this for a broader range of topics, but used them DURING searches to mask transit times.
You could say, "I'd like 4,000 lattes to go." Siri would reply, "I miss Steve, too. Here are some cafés in your area." The first sentence done on-device while the location search is going on behind it.
I like it! That would be wonderful! I miss Stevo, too!
I don't think you'll find many people who thought Apple maps was very good when it first came out. Even Tim Cook acknowledged that it was sort of half baked. It might be fine now. I wouldn't know because I don't ever use it. It is sort of like once you have crappy service or a bad meal at a restaurant you never go back even if they put up a sign saying "Under New Management".
I take your point...By all accounts, Maps was not very well realized at inception.
But, I still like be able to say to Siri an address and it just goes to Maps w/o any typing. Pretty much works for me every time.
I don't think you'll find many people who thought Apple maps was very good when it first came out. Even Tim Cook acknowledged that it was sort of half baked. It might be fine now. I wouldn't know because I don't ever use it. It is sort of like once you have crappy service or a bad meal at a restaurant you never go back even if they put up a sign saying "Under New Management".
And I'm sure you never found any errors in Google Maps.
In any case, your rant sums up my experience with Android.
If Siri was first updated to actually work more than 20% of the time? Or maybe even to allow you to use Apple's own apps correctly (try changing the time of an appointment without siri making the new time become the location... yeah right, or choose the correct place to put a reminder among several lists instead of "the list by default"). It might then be more "cocky funny" than "just lame cocky".
Orders of magnitude? Really? Care to document that?
Just more whining from the same person who insisted that Apple Maps was unusable - even after independent testing showed that it was just as good as Google Maps.
Gee, paying all the shills must cost Google a fortune.
Plase, jragosta... add "in the USA".
For most users, which means "in the world", which means "not limited to the USA", Apple Maps is like Siri. Not yet usable.
I don't doubt Apple will make it excellent, and we can see improvements regularly, but it's far from 'as good as google".
And I'm sure you never found any errors in Google Maps.
In any case, your rant sums up my experience with Android.
I did find errors in Google Maps and I reported them - several times, but they were never fixed.
One being the location of the Apple Store in Fashion Island.
Google still points to the old location. Apple moved that store more than three years ago. Surprisingly when Apple maps was launched they also showed the incorrect location and I reported that as well. It was fixed within a week. I'm not arguing that there is one map better than the other but I'm comfortable with Google Maps and I found Apple Maps awkward when it first came out. I suppose you could say I prefer the familiarity of Google Maps and I also like that it is on the desktop browser which I use a lot more than my iOS devices. I have turn by turn in all my vehicles so I don't need that feature.
The only time I even held an Android was to help a colleague try to get his email working, which was not at all intuitive as I recall.
I suspect it's much the same reason why you, Gatorguy and DroidFTW wasted time adding your comments to the thread. Instead of criticising Apple and/or defending Google on an Apple forum, you could be making useful comments on Google forums to Google fans. . .
When Samsung takes a swipe at Apple in their ads, it's ok but Apple does it in a much more subtle and humorous way and that's not ok? The reactions by some to the Samsung ads were that they were outdoing Apple and Apple's ads were lame and they had become Microsoft and Google was the new Apple. This is just Apple again showing that they haven't changed - they're the same people who left poems in the OS for people hacking it:
Your karma check for today:
There once was a user that whined
his existing OS was so blind,
he'd do better to pirate
an OS that ran great
but found his hardware declined.
Please don't steal Mac OS!
Really, that's way uncool.
(C) Apple Computer, Inc.
It seems we have become a culture of all work and no play. Apple refuses such sorry paths to follow and some are enriched by their efforts. Apple naysayers, not so much, as you and others suggest.
I've never said anything like any of the stuff that you posted so I'm not sure what you're talking about and I don't believe it's fair to create a strawman and then hold it against people.
I wasn't saying those are examples of things people have said, I'm just saying those are the nature of comments that are often made. If you want an example though:
The point I was making is that if people don't understand why Apple adjusts Siri with replies like this, look at why people make comments like the above and you'll see why. Both are playing to their respective audiences. Apple is adding light-hearted comments into Siri for the benefit of Apple fans. Google puts out some jabs at Apple for their audience:
The real-world speed difference isn't all that dramatic (e.g 0.1s vs 1s isn't that big of a deal in this kind of context) except for a few instances and Google is just pushing everything through a Google search. Siri searches multiple sources and only when it finds nothing does it drop into a web search. Google clearly has the performance advantage in using a single source as well as the fact they have had to tune their search engine for many billions of users over a much longer period of time. I'm sure if their proprietary search engine code wasn't hidden away in their servers, they'd be happy for Apple to use it to improve their products without licensing it though.
It seems we have become a culture of all work and no play. Apple refuses such sorry paths to follow and some are enriched by their efforts. Apple naysayers, not so much, as you and others suggest.
Unfortunately some people like to keep technology and the arts separate and don't respect the creative side as much. Jony Ive said that's one reason he liked living in the US because there was less cynicism towards that kind of thinking. Cynicism is useful in filtering out bad creations but not to prevent them.
On the subject of humorous messages, Google actually adds quirky messages to their products too. When the Youtube or Google search engine breaks (there are certain search formats that break it quite easily), it comes up with the monkey message:
I wasn't saying those are examples of things people have said, I'm just saying those are the nature of comments that are often made. If you want an example though:
I'm sorry if you felt that post was a jab at Apple. It most certainly wasn't; I was just stating a fact. Someone else mistook stock Android's UI for iOS7's UI, not me. The look and feel of the latest YouTube update really is stock Android. Google Now introduced "cards" awhile back and that's a huge part of the UI in the latest YouTube update. The colors, icons, cards, etc. are all stock Android (the theme is known as Holo Theme Light). Nowhere will you find in my post complaints of anyone copying anyone or anything of that nature. I mearly corrected a forum poster who had made a seemingly honest mistake.
The real-world speed difference isn't all that dramatic (e.g 0.1s vs 1s isn't that big of a deal in this kind of context) except for a few instances and Google is just pushing everything through a Google search.
[...]
I'm sure if their proprietary search engine code wasn't hidden away in their servers, they'd be happy for Apple to use it to improve their products without licensing it though.
Not subtle enough - I still got it.
I'm not a Google apologist. I just find super fast, accurate results better than slow, inaccurate results. It is not brain surgery. The original complaint was the usage of the phrase "orders of magnitude" so thanks for confirming that the difference is indeed a factor of ten.
If you noticed the video it showed Google was already starting the search before the voice request was finished just like they do when you start typing a request. Siri waits until she is sure you are done speaking and then repeats back what you said before launching into a search.
Odd that you would read that as I'm the one taking Glass too seriously when my post was about Apple taking Glass too seriously.
But they don't take it seriously AT ALL. The replies Siri gives to "OK Glass" are meant to be funny. Since you interpret this as "LOL Apple is threatened!!!" it would appear that you are taking this too seriously. It's a joke reply to a joke question.
Since you interpret this as "LOL Apple is threatened!!!"
That's an extremely poor interpretation of the post in which you were initially responding to in that it adds a level juvenility where there wasn't one. Methinks I'm getting trolled.
Alas, the way SIRI Works is the recognition is done on the server, so SIRI wouldn't know you asked for 4,000 lattes until it heard back from the server. Maybe a future version of SIRI will do recognition on the device, and that will make it a lot more useful (you could more easily search your apps when not connected to the net, for instance.)
I think Glass is a joke-- it's a bluetooth headset with a camera and display. It's not actually a computer.
It's useless if you don't have a net connection. And who is going to talk to anyone wearing it?
.... knowing google's propensity for spying.
Well it takes milliseconds to get on ace ravage and it would double the O.S. space on it (1 parallel Siri function) for it, so Siri having this when each IOS device is better than current macs (in its important aspects) maybe they can actually have the low cost phone be with a small screen (2-3 inches) with someway of a onboard Siri for it where it's goal 30-40% manual, 60-70% Siri used. This could be cost effective
If you noticed the video it showed Google was already starting the search before the voice request was finished just like they do when you start typing a request. Siri waits until she is sure you are done speaking and then repeats back what you said before launching into a search.
Google voice search on iOS enjoys the advantage of having to only search the web. Siri has to decide what function to perform first.
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Originally Posted by Marvin
I suspect it's much the same reason why you, Gatorguy and DroidFTW wasted time adding your comments to the thread. Instead of criticising Apple and/or defending Google on an Apple forum, you could be making useful comments on Google forums to Google fans.
HOO-RAH. I love that you've kicked up the humor and snark as of late. Keep it up!
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Originally Posted by Marvin
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I've never said anything like any of the stuff that you posted so I'm not sure what you're talking about and I don't believe it's fair to create a strawman and then hold it against people.
That said, Tallest Skil approves of your 'increase in snark' as opposed to your normal, level headed posting, what does this tell you? (that's rhetorical, btw)
Originally Posted by DroidFTW
That said, Tallest Skil approves of your 'increase in snark' as opposed to your normal level headed posting, what does this tell you? (that's rhetorical, btw)
Tells YOU folk to cut the crap and get out, dunnit? When the most level headed of us are fed up with your nonsense.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
Just more whining from the same person who insisted that Apple Maps was unusable - even after independent testing showed that it was just as good as Google Maps.
I don't think you'll find many people who thought Apple maps was very good when it first came out. Even Tim Cook acknowledged that it was sort of half baked. It might be fine now. I wouldn't know because I don't ever use it. It is sort of like once you have crappy service or a bad meal at a restaurant you never go back even if they put up a sign saying "Under New Management".
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
It'd be great if she did more jokes like this for a broader range of topics, but used them DURING searches to mask transit times.
You could say, "I'd like 4,000 lattes to go." Siri would reply, "I miss Steve, too. Here are some cafés in your area." The first sentence done on-device while the location search is going on behind it.
I like it! That would be wonderful! I miss Stevo, too!
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Originally Posted by mstone
I don't think you'll find many people who thought Apple maps was very good when it first came out. Even Tim Cook acknowledged that it was sort of half baked. It might be fine now. I wouldn't know because I don't ever use it. It is sort of like once you have crappy service or a bad meal at a restaurant you never go back even if they put up a sign saying "Under New Management".
I take your point...By all accounts, Maps was not very well realized at inception.
But, I still like be able to say to Siri an address and it just goes to Maps w/o any typing. Pretty much works for me every time.
Best
And I'm sure you never found any errors in Google Maps.
In any case, your rant sums up my experience with Android.
Or maybe even to allow you to use Apple's own apps correctly (try changing the time of an appointment without siri making the new time become the location... yeah right, or choose the correct place to put a reminder among several lists instead of "the list by default").
It might then be more "cocky funny" than "just lame cocky".
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Originally Posted by jragosta
Orders of magnitude? Really? Care to document that?
Just more whining from the same person who insisted that Apple Maps was unusable - even after independent testing showed that it was just as good as Google Maps.
Gee, paying all the shills must cost Google a fortune.
Plase, jragosta... add "in the USA".
For most users, which means "in the world", which means "not limited to the USA", Apple Maps is like Siri. Not yet usable.
I don't doubt Apple will make it excellent, and we can see improvements regularly, but it's far from 'as good as google".
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Originally Posted by jungmark
And I'm sure you never found any errors in Google Maps.
I found a few errors in GMaps... Not as annoying as Apple Maps' still are. I would trust GMaps in a country I never went to. Apple Maps, not yet.
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Originally Posted by jungmark
And I'm sure you never found any errors in Google Maps.
In any case, your rant sums up my experience with Android.
I did find errors in Google Maps and I reported them - several times, but they were never fixed.
One being the location of the Apple Store in Fashion Island.
Google still points to the old location. Apple moved that store more than three years ago. Surprisingly when Apple maps was launched they also showed the incorrect location and I reported that as well. It was fixed within a week. I'm not arguing that there is one map better than the other but I'm comfortable with Google Maps and I found Apple Maps awkward when it first came out. I suppose you could say I prefer the familiarity of Google Maps and I also like that it is on the desktop browser which I use a lot more than my iOS devices. I have turn by turn in all my vehicles so I don't need that feature.
The only time I even held an Android was to help a colleague try to get his email working, which was not at all intuitive as I recall.
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Originally Posted by pazuzu
Siri- beaters.
You find Siri's speed and functionality to be up to scratch?
If you do then your low standards are a mystery to me. Yeah, I'll "beat" (srsly? siri-sly?) something if it's not good enough.
Too slow, too imprecise, too limited, and way too dependant on connectivity.
Marvin, poetry is lost in our world with little interest in the arts. John Martellaro at the MacObserver has penned an article on this subjext: How Apple’s Healthy Advertising Emotion Enraged One Critic ~ http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/how-apples-healthy-ad-emotion-enraged-one-critic
It seems we have become a culture of all work and no play. Apple refuses such sorry paths to follow and some are enriched by their efforts. Apple naysayers, not so much, as you and others suggest.
I wasn't saying those are examples of things people have said, I'm just saying those are the nature of comments that are often made. If you want an example though:
http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/159139/youtube-for-ios-gets-multitasking-radical-fm-takes-on-pandora-with-pay-what-you-can-model#post_2383035
The point I was making is that if people don't understand why Apple adjusts Siri with replies like this, look at why people make comments like the above and you'll see why. Both are playing to their respective audiences. Apple is adding light-hearted comments into Siri for the benefit of Apple fans. Google puts out some jabs at Apple for their audience:
http://www.technobuffalo.com/2013/05/15/daniel-graf-takes-a-jab-at-apple-maps/
Generally people associate with whichever audience they feel the most comfortable in and not the one they feel the most comfortable attacking.
The real-world speed difference isn't all that dramatic (e.g 0.1s vs 1s isn't that big of a deal in this kind of context) except for a few instances and Google is just pushing everything through a Google search. Siri searches multiple sources and only when it finds nothing does it drop into a web search. Google clearly has the performance advantage in using a single source as well as the fact they have had to tune their search engine for many billions of users over a much longer period of time. I'm sure if their proprietary search engine code wasn't hidden away in their servers, they'd be happy for Apple to use it to improve their products without licensing it though.
Unfortunately some people like to keep technology and the arts separate and don't respect the creative side as much. Jony Ive said that's one reason he liked living in the US because there was less cynicism towards that kind of thinking. Cynicism is useful in filtering out bad creations but not to prevent them.
On the subject of humorous messages, Google actually adds quirky messages to their products too. When the Youtube or Google search engine breaks (there are certain search formats that break it quite easily), it comes up with the monkey message:
[VIDEO]
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Originally Posted by Marvin
I wasn't saying those are examples of things people have said, I'm just saying those are the nature of comments that are often made. If you want an example though:
http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/159139/youtube-for-ios-gets-multitasking-radical-fm-takes-on-pandora-with-pay-what-you-can-model#post_2383035
I'm sorry if you felt that post was a jab at Apple. It most certainly wasn't; I was just stating a fact. Someone else mistook stock Android's UI for iOS7's UI, not me. The look and feel of the latest YouTube update really is stock Android. Google Now introduced "cards" awhile back and that's a huge part of the UI in the latest YouTube update. The colors, icons, cards, etc. are all stock Android (the theme is known as Holo Theme Light). Nowhere will you find in my post complaints of anyone copying anyone or anything of that nature. I mearly corrected a forum poster who had made a seemingly honest mistake.
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Originally Posted by Marvin
The real-world speed difference isn't all that dramatic (e.g 0.1s vs 1s isn't that big of a deal in this kind of context) except for a few instances and Google is just pushing everything through a Google search.
[...]
I'm sure if their proprietary search engine code wasn't hidden away in their servers, they'd be happy for Apple to use it to improve their products without licensing it though.
Not subtle enough - I still got it.
I'm not a Google apologist. I just find super fast, accurate results better than slow, inaccurate results. It is not brain surgery. The original complaint was the usage of the phrase "orders of magnitude" so thanks for confirming that the difference is indeed a factor of ten.
If you noticed the video it showed Google was already starting the search before the voice request was finished just like they do when you start typing a request. Siri waits until she is sure you are done speaking and then repeats back what you said before launching into a search.
But they don't take it seriously AT ALL. The replies Siri gives to "OK Glass" are meant to be funny. Since you interpret this as "LOL Apple is threatened!!!" it would appear that you are taking this too seriously. It's a joke reply to a joke question.
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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton
Since you interpret this as "LOL Apple is threatened!!!"
That's an extremely poor interpretation of the post in which you were initially responding to in that it adds a level juvenility where there wasn't one. Methinks I'm getting trolled.
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Originally Posted by mstone
If you noticed the video it showed Google was already starting the search before the voice request was finished just like they do when you start typing a request. Siri waits until she is sure you are done speaking and then repeats back what you said before launching into a search.
Google voice search on iOS enjoys the advantage of having to only search the web. Siri has to decide what function to perform first.