To those who are complaining that people should wait to upgrade, what business is it of yours if a person upgrades the day of or a year later? I see it as a very positive note that iPhone users are upgrading their phones when the updates are available and not waiting until forced for some reason. Do you pitch the same fit when android users have minor issues updating their phones when it is released for all their existing handsets at the same time? Oh wait..... :smokey:
They could probably do a better job of limiting the number of simultaneous users allowed to download instead of showing an error.
That's all there is to it. They could, for instance, easily stagger it by geographic area of IP address looking to download and inform users that they will be doing so, with a rough map. I am sure there are dozens of more sophisticated, equally inexpensive ways.
Sometimes, I get the feeling that Apple simply does not do a good job of managing some basic stuff like this.
I upgraded both my iPad and iPhone to iOS 7 today. I encountered the same error message that was referenced by other posters but eventually was able to complete. It took about 2 hours for each device. Last year, I updated to iOS 6 over the air and it took less than 20 minutes. No matter. What does concern me is the tendency of my iPad 3 to freeze up when I try to change wall papers. I never had this problem before with iOS 6.
The only ones I feel badly for are the purchasers of a new iPhone who can't activate it. That sucks. You want to play with your new toy on the first day.
They could probably do a better job of limiting the number of simultaneous users allowed to download instead of showing an error.
That's all there is to it. They could also easily stagger it by geographic area of IP address looking to download; I am sure there are dozens of more sophisticated, equally inexpensive ways.
Sometimes, I get the feeling that Apple simply does not do a good job of managing some basic stuff like this.
I think they sometimes underestimate the demand for their products and resources. Who knows, maybe they doubled their capacity since last year and thought that would hold them? When you figure that every year they are doubling their install base of iOS devices, doubling the support resources is not enough.
I upgraded both my iPad and iPhone to iOS 7 today. I encountered the same error message that was referenced by other posters but eventually was able to complete. It took about 2 hours for each device. Last year, I updated to iOS 6 over the air and it took less than 20 minutes. No matter. What does concern me is the tendency of my iPad 3 to freeze up when I try to change wall papers. I never had this problem before with iOS 6.
I'm not updating my iPad 3 yet. And if new iPads are announced within the next month I won't be updating it at all. I suspect we'll be seeing some point updates fairly quickly to address bugs.
I upgraded both my iPad and iPhone to iOS 7 today. I encountered the same error message that was referenced by other posters but eventually was able to complete. It took about 2 hours for each device. Last year, I updated to iOS 6 over the air and it took less than 20 minutes. No matter. What does concern me is the tendency of my iPad 3 to freeze up when I try to change wall papers. I never had this problem before with iOS 6.
I'm not updating my iPad 3 yet. And if new iPads are announced within the next month I won't be updating it at all. I suspect we'll be seeing some point updates fairly quickly to address bugs.
I updated an iPad 3 and an iPad Mini today, a few minutes after iOS7 was released. Both updated fine without any problems. It took less than 15 minutes to update each one.
I'd never used iOS 7 before, so it's all new to me. Everything's looking nice so far, and I'm liking the extra features that were added.
I think they sometimes underestimate the demand for their products and resources. Who knows, maybe they doubled their capacity since last year and thought that would hold them? When you figure that every year they are doubling their install base of iOS devices, doubling the support resources is not enough.
There will always be capacity constraints during peak service times. Think electrical grid at 2 PM on a July afternoon, Friday night cable bandwidth, airline overbooking, parking lots on a Monday morning...
That is not the issue. Intelligent management of situations like this is.
No kidding by his logic, he's telling everyone to wait a day. Well if they all did that, then tomorrow would be the day the servers onverloaded.
I started the updated at noon PST and it began downloaded a 700+ file. When finished (about 40 minutes) it said it could not connect to servers and to try later. I set it on my desk and every few minutes retried. It took about 10 tries before it worked and the installed the OS.
I'm liking all the little touches throughout the os and app. I'm 53, wear glasses and find this interface a LOT easier to read. Getting around photos is wonderful with it's Year<Collections<Moments path. The Control Panel is a godsend and when you get a Messages notification on the lock screen and login, it opens Messages ready to reply. So many great little things.
I'm not updating my iPad 3 yet. And if new iPads are announced within the next month I won't be updating it at all. I suspect we'll be seeing some point updates fairly quickly to address bugs.
Aside from the Wallpaper settings bugs, I haven't stumbled on any major bugs on my iPad 3 (been running the GM since the 10th). Sure it feels slower than on my iPhone 4S and there are some cosmetic bugs that I don't see on the iPhone, but nothing major.
The only thing that really annoys me is the fact that they disabled the frosted glass effect on the iPad 3 build for most of the UI starting with beta 5. I wish they'll bring it back if they fix some of the performance issues.
BTW I'm not trying to convince you to update now, I'm simply saying that the bugs on the iPad build are not as bad as some made it seem.
Aside from the Wallpaper settings bugs, I haven't stumbled on any major bugs on my iPad 3 (been running the GM since the 10th). Sure it feels slower than on my iPhone 4S and there are some cosmetic bugs that I don't see on the iPhone, but nothing major.
The only thing that really annoys me is the fact that they disabled the frosted glass effect on the iPad 3 build for most of the UI starting with beta 5. I wish they'll bring it back if they fix some of the performance issues.
BTW I'm not trying to convince you to update now, I'm simply saying that the bugs on the iPad build are not as bad as some made it seem.
Good to know. But my 3rd gen iPad is really sluggish as is so I'm nervous putting iOS 7 on it. I can't wait to get a 5th gen iPad with A7. Of course when I tried to update iTunes on my PC I got the stupid blue screen of death. :rolleyes:
I think a potential solution would have been to prevent app updates today. Many of us who have iOS 7 now are also likely using auto updates, and tons of updates are pushing our today. Could have put a 24 hour hold on that, perhaps
To those who are complaining that people should wait to upgrade, what business is it of yours if a person upgrades the day of or a year later? I see it as a very positive note that iPhone users are upgrading their phones when the updates are available and not waiting until forced for some reason. Do you pitch the same fit when android users have minor issues updating their phones when it is released for all their existing handsets at the same time? Oh wait.....
Lol! Perhaps this is the entire purpose for Google's fragmentation 'strategy' - no swamping the servers - lol!
Ah, to be all knowing, to revel in the joy of omniscience, to be able to mock others from a point of certainty, to be in tune with the infinite, to be closer to God that the unwashed, unaware, unknowing, un-un. Thank you for the great insight. You may now return to pulling the wings off of butterflies.
I think a potential solution would have been to prevent app updates today. Many of us who have iOS 7 now are also likely using auto updates, and tons of updates are pushing our today. Could have put a 24 hour hold on that, perhaps
No shit, sherlock. Anyone with an ounce of sense would wait, oh I dunno, maybe ONE DAY before updating, to avoid 99% of the traffic and potential issues? Otherwise, you have no right to complain. No, everyone needs iOS7 THIS SECOND, after waiting for months. You will live if you go another day with iOS6.
Holmes, Doesn't hurt to try, I updated early afternoon with no issues
No shit, sherlock. Anyone with an ounce of sense would wait, oh I dunno, maybe ONE DAY before updating, to avoid 99% of the traffic and potential issues?
This strategy assumes that most people don't have an ounce of sense. It wouldn't work if most people acted sensibly and all decided to download on day two instead of day one. To avoid this problem, either the users have to coordinate among themselves when to update, or Apple has to decide who gets updates when.
There will always be capacity constraints during peak service times. Think electrical grid at 2 PM on a July afternoon, Friday night cable bandwidth, airline overbooking, parking lots on a Monday morning...
That is not the issue. Intelligent management of situations like this is.
I remember the first time they tried live streaming of an iPhone event, it crashed and burned. They don't do that anymore. Maybe this outage will make them rethink their strategy for next year. The Internet is not infallible. I agree with you about managing the resources though. I think a lot of people take things for granted such as the Internet, it is not limitless. Just look at how natural disasters catch people by surprise. All the carefully engineered drainage systems in Boulder Colorado could not handle the 100 year flash flood volume of water. Is it Apple's fault the servers croaked, sure, but how were they to know iOS 7 would be so popular?
No shit, sherlock. Anyone with an ounce of sense would wait, oh I dunno, maybe ONE DAY before updating, to avoid 99% of the traffic and potential issues? Otherwise, you have no right to complain. No, everyone needs iOS7 THIS SECOND, after waiting for months. You will live if you go another day with iOS6.
...but...if everybody with an ounce of sense (and they must have an ounce of sense, because they're buying an Apple product, right?) waited till day two, day two would be just as bad as day one!
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They could probably do a better job of limiting the number of simultaneous users allowed to download instead of showing an error.
That's all there is to it. They could, for instance, easily stagger it by geographic area of IP address looking to download and inform users that they will be doing so, with a rough map. I am sure there are dozens of more sophisticated, equally inexpensive ways.
Sometimes, I get the feeling that Apple simply does not do a good job of managing some basic stuff like this.
Waaaaaa I don't like the fonts!
Boo freaking hoo.
The only ones I feel badly for are the purchasers of a new iPhone who can't activate it. That sucks. You want to play with your new toy on the first day.
Actually, yeah! Waaaaaaaa!
They could probably do a better job of limiting the number of simultaneous users allowed to download instead of showing an error.
That's all there is to it. They could also easily stagger it by geographic area of IP address looking to download; I am sure there are dozens of more sophisticated, equally inexpensive ways.
Sometimes, I get the feeling that Apple simply does not do a good job of managing some basic stuff like this.
I think they sometimes underestimate the demand for their products and resources. Who knows, maybe they doubled their capacity since last year and thought that would hold them? When you figure that every year they are doubling their install base of iOS devices, doubling the support resources is not enough.
I updated an iPad 3 and an iPad Mini today, a few minutes after iOS7 was released. Both updated fine without any problems. It took less than 15 minutes to update each one.
I'd never used iOS 7 before, so it's all new to me. Everything's looking nice so far, and I'm liking the extra features that were added.
I think they sometimes underestimate the demand for their products and resources. Who knows, maybe they doubled their capacity since last year and thought that would hold them? When you figure that every year they are doubling their install base of iOS devices, doubling the support resources is not enough.
There will always be capacity constraints during peak service times. Think electrical grid at 2 PM on a July afternoon, Friday night cable bandwidth, airline overbooking, parking lots on a Monday morning...
That is not the issue. Intelligent management of situations like this is.
No kidding by his logic, he's telling everyone to wait a day. Well if they all did that, then tomorrow would be the day the servers onverloaded.
I started the updated at noon PST and it began downloaded a 700+ file. When finished (about 40 minutes) it said it could not connect to servers and to try later. I set it on my desk and every few minutes retried. It took about 10 tries before it worked and the installed the OS.
I'm liking all the little touches throughout the os and app. I'm 53, wear glasses and find this interface a LOT easier to read. Getting around photos is wonderful with it's Year<Collections<Moments path. The Control Panel is a godsend and when you get a Messages notification on the lock screen and login, it opens Messages ready to reply. So many great little things.
I'm not updating my iPad 3 yet. And if new iPads are announced within the next month I won't be updating it at all. I suspect we'll be seeing some point updates fairly quickly to address bugs.
Aside from the Wallpaper settings bugs, I haven't stumbled on any major bugs on my iPad 3 (been running the GM since the 10th). Sure it feels slower than on my iPhone 4S and there are some cosmetic bugs that I don't see on the iPhone, but nothing major.
To those who are complaining that people should wait to upgrade, what business is it of yours if a person upgrades the day of or a year later? I see it as a very positive note that iPhone users are upgrading their phones when the updates are available and not waiting until forced for some reason. Do you pitch the same fit when android users have minor issues updating their phones when it is released for all their existing handsets at the same time? Oh wait.....
Lol! Perhaps this is the entire purpose for Google's fragmentation 'strategy' - no swamping the servers - lol!
Ah, to be all knowing, to revel in the joy of omniscience, to be able to mock others from a point of certainty, to be in tune with the infinite, to be closer to God that the unwashed, unaware, unknowing, un-un. Thank you for the great insight. You may now return to pulling the wings off of butterflies.
I think a potential solution would have been to prevent app updates today. Many of us who have iOS 7 now are also likely using auto updates, and tons of updates are pushing our today. Could have put a 24 hour hold on that, perhaps
Refer post #7
Holmes, Doesn't hurt to try, I updated early afternoon with no issues
No shit, sherlock. Anyone with an ounce of sense would wait, oh I dunno, maybe ONE DAY before updating, to avoid 99% of the traffic and potential issues?
This strategy assumes that most people don't have an ounce of sense. It wouldn't work if most people acted sensibly and all decided to download on day two instead of day one. To avoid this problem, either the users have to coordinate among themselves when to update, or Apple has to decide who gets updates when.
There will always be capacity constraints during peak service times. Think electrical grid at 2 PM on a July afternoon, Friday night cable bandwidth, airline overbooking, parking lots on a Monday morning...
That is not the issue. Intelligent management of situations like this is.
I remember the first time they tried live streaming of an iPhone event, it crashed and burned. They don't do that anymore. Maybe this outage will make them rethink their strategy for next year. The Internet is not infallible. I agree with you about managing the resources though. I think a lot of people take things for granted such as the Internet, it is not limitless. Just look at how natural disasters catch people by surprise. All the carefully engineered drainage systems in Boulder Colorado could not handle the 100 year flash flood volume of water. Is it Apple's fault the servers croaked, sure, but how were they to know iOS 7 would be so popular?
No shit, sherlock. Anyone with an ounce of sense would wait, oh I dunno, maybe ONE DAY before updating, to avoid 99% of the traffic and potential issues? Otherwise, you have no right to complain. No, everyone needs iOS7 THIS SECOND, after waiting for months. You will live if you go another day with iOS6.
...but...if everybody with an ounce of sense (and they must have an ounce of sense, because they're buying an Apple product, right?) waited till day two, day two would be just as bad as day one!