So, my point is the people you were asking are not an accurate source because they, like you, are all early adopters who want the latest and greatest as opposed to just somebody who wants a good phone. They, like you, probably aren't going to give up a just year old iPhone 5 to get an iPhone 5c. Apple, however, was very smart in releasing the 5c. The wait for the 5S would be much greater if Apple had to use the same fabricating equipment to meet demand for both the 5 and the 5s. The new case for the 5c allows Apple to build them quicker and put its fabricating equipment to use making the 5S. Further, Apple's new iPhones will take up more prominent display space in third party stores because there are more options to show. This equates to less space for competitors.
This is a great point and why I think it makes sense for Apple to create a product portfolio for iPhone. Now when you go to Best Buy or one of the carrier stores there's more space It's just too bad this phone is being labeled as "last years phone" when it still matches up so well to (and in some cases surpasses) competitor phones in terms of user experience.
I stood in line yesterday and bought my 5S directly from my apple store. Best smartphone I've ever owned.
Today there were still lines of people waiting for 5S.
Here are my quick observations:
There was very little interest in the 5C except from children.
The 5C looked and felt like plastic. Not my cup of tea and that was a major negative point from other adults I talked to at the store.
Most 5C that actually sold (and even the Apple employees admitted it was a slow seller at the store) were parents buying for kids. Some parents opted to buy their kids 5S instead though.
Anyway all that to say. The 5S is an amazing smartphone the most innovative small device I've ever used. Use touch ID a few times and you'll feel the magic I'm talking about. But the 5C on the other hand. Still a head scratcher in my book.
It's not helping Apple's image. It doesn't look that great. And it's not selling well. It may be selling better than last years 4S but that's not saying much IMO.
The 5c isn't going to excite people who line up for phones on day 1. It's going to kill it amongst the casual budget crew and Christmas buyers.
Hey folks, it's 5s, not 5S. 5c, not 5C. This matters, particularly for those selling them.
Looking around the internet, it's surprising how much tech pundits have the names of the new iPhones wrong.
Yes, except you are wrong. Gruber (at Daringfireball) explains this issue well. He writes, "Let’s get this capitalization thing out of the way, too. Yes, I’m using 5C and 5S, with uppercase letters, and Apple is using 5c and 5s. Why? These names are initialisms, words where you pronounce them by spelling out the letters of their names. In an initialism, according to all standard style guides, all letters are capitalized. That’s it. If Apple chooses, for marketing reasons, to capitalize these letters differently, that’s on them. It’s a style choice, not a spelling choice."
Selling out of the 5s is good, but it looks like inventory was very low. I am pretty confident Apple made a huge amount of 5c so if they were to run out it would be big.
I dont think there is any way to guess how many they sold over the weekend, it could below or above last year number of 5 millions. There is only one thing I am sure of, the stock will move big on monday and this is why I played both sides for that news. I did an option straddle at 2 different expiration dates. The short side is on the weekly and the long side is in April 2014.
I have been lucky in the past months. Bought at $420, sold all at $502 at iphone 5 launch. Bought at $470 and $455 and sold last week at $475. My play for next week is an option straddle and I plan to ride the stock for the ipads later.
Isn't it this type of investment behavior that results in me having to read endless posts about stock manipulation?
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His option trades have little or no impact on stock prices.
Not even a drop in the bucket. I am trading a lot of 100 shares and a few calls/puts here and there. Stock manipulation do happens at option expirations and it sure aint done by retail investors.
This is a great point and why I think it makes sense for Apple to create a product portfolio for iPhone. Now when you go to Best Buy or one of the carrier stores there's more space It's just too bad this phone is being labeled as "last years phone" when it still matches up so well to (and in some cases surpasses) competitor phones in terms of user experience.
It is kind of like when Coke released "New Coke." Many people thought Coca Cola was crazy. People started talking about it. Coca Cola's name was every where. Eventually, Coke brought the "Old Coke" back. It, however, kept "New Coke." This move allowed Coke to take up twice the shelf space at it's competitors expense. Now companies that used to offer just a couple flavors have all kinds of varients of flavors in an attempt to take up shelf space.
The last year phone label is really not fair. There are plenty of phones being sold today usingtechnology from years ago. Further, look at car companies. Every year they release new models, but the new models generally are slight modifications and feature enhancements ofprevious year models. The body style and engine are used for several generations. Even though the overall designs of the vehicles are the same, the cost does not go down.
Herethe 5C shares many of the same components as last years top selling phone, but it is a newly designed phone. The logic board has been tweaked, it has a bigger battery, a better face time camera, and a new case. It is also a hundred bucks cheaper.
Yes the "selected group" of 5S buyers may not have been the best barometer to gauge 5C interest and opinion, but think about it.
Those lined up are likely Apple's biggest enthusiasts and supporters. If they don't like what their seeing with the 5C shouldn't that be considered significant.
Most didnt like that it was plastic because that's what is the common detractor and argument against Samsung/Android products. Some even said "What's the point of its existence?" Apple store employees joked that it was a slow seller and didn't compare to the hourly sellouts, lines, and hoards for the 5S.
I'm not saying Apple is doomed. Far from it. I just think they may have made a mistake with the 5C, and that mistake may not have only been the price.
I am thinking about it, you are not. I know, you don't get nuances and implications. Not in your purview. Let's try some imagination, no matter how difficult it is for you:
Apple has bet the farm on this plastic phone. If your scenario of no interest and low sales were to prove true, it would be a huge disaster for them. They would in fact face an existential threat over it. Can you see that?
Yes? Well then, it would be best if you kept quiet until you know some sales figures.
No, you can't see that? Then do something to open up your right brain. It's really not working. Oh, and best to keep quiet until you do, or you are going to look like the biggest fool here.
By the way, I'm one of Apple's "biggest enthusiasts and supporters," and I think the plastic phone is a work of art. Not the one I would buy, unless it had 5s internals and maybe a more sedate color. Also, by the way, whoever said the back feels like ceramic is deficient in their tactile vocabulary. Ceramic is cold, stiff and brittle; this polycarbonate is warm, strong, but soft at the same time. It will sell well.
Samsung never made anything this rich and substantial in plastic. Unfortunately, it may teach them how to do plastic better. Last I heard they were putting fake stitching on the back of one phone. Must be a joke, but I think it was one of their videos.
No, you can't see that? Then do something to open up your right brain. It's really not working. Oh, and best to keep quiet until you do, or you are going to look like the biggest fool here.
It will sell well.
You are replying to blackbook with a very condescending tone, accosting him of being foolish for predicting lower than expected sales of the 5c and not waiting for the released numbers, yet you take an exact, but, opposite stance ahead of the numbers predicting that 'it will sell well'. Seems a tad hypocritical.
If 7 million iPhones aren't sold over the weekend, Apple shareholders are going to get totally reamed. Wall Street's expectations of Apple are impossible to beat. Everything that Apple does is going to be tossed aside based on overall declining market share when compared to all of Android market share. The hedge fund managers are total jackasses because all they see is Android running away with market share in China and India. It's just incredible how narrow-minded those big investors are. Apple is going to make a fortune over the Christmas holidays but shareholders aren't going to get a thing out of it as Apple's share price continues to get beat up.
Coz the motherfuckers want growth . Less profit is easier to grow , less profit and big market share growing like Lenovo . Apple is too good to dream better , u know .
You are replying to blackbook with a very condescending tone, accosting him of being foolish for predicting lower than expected sales of the 5c and not waiting for the released numbers, yet you take an exact, but, opposite stance ahead of the numbers predicting that 'it will sell well'. Seems a tad hypocritical.
I also like this part:
"Not the one I would buy, unless it had 5s internals and maybe a more sedate color."
It is kind of like when Coke released "New Coke." Many people thought Coca Cola was crazy. People started talking about it. Coca Cola's name was every where. Eventually, Coke brought the "Old Coke" back. It, however, kept "New Coke." This move allowed Coke to take up twice the shelf space at it's competitors expense. Now companies that used to offer just a couple flavors have all kinds of varients of flavors in an attempt to take up shelf space.
The last year phone label is really not fair. There are plenty of phones being sold today usingtechnology from years ago. Further, look at car companies. Every year they release new models, but the new models generally are slight modifications and feature enhancements ofprevious year models. The body style and engine are used for several generations. Even though the overall designs of the vehicles are the same, the cost does not go down.
Herethe 5C shares many of the same components as last years top selling phone, but it is a newly designed phone. The logic board has been tweaked, it has a bigger battery, a better face time camera, and a new case. It is also a hundred bucks cheaper.
See this is what I don't get. Take a cheaper Galaxy or Lumia or even the Moto X. Are all the components inside the phone brand new? Is it the latest and greatest technology? Do consumers even ask those questions? I doubt it. So why is it a big deal that the 5C is using 5 parts? There are tens of millions of people using the 5 right now without any issues, without feeling like its an inferior phone. I get the sense there are some people feeling they were entitled to a 5 at $100 cheaper and Apple threw a plastic phone in their face instead. But there is no rule that says Apple has to bump down the previous year model and take off $100. What if the 5 is still very expensive and difficult to manufacture? Perhaps Apple thought having all their manufacturing lines consumed with a difficult to manufacture device would be disaster. As it is the 5S is delayed. Imagine what it would be like if Apple was still producing the 5 as well.
See this is what I don't get. Take a cheaper Galaxy or Lumia or even the Moto X. Are all the components inside the phone brand new? Is it the latest and greatest technology? Do consumers even ask those questions? I doubt it. So why is it a big deal that the 5C is using 5 parts? There are tens of millions of people using the 5 right now without any issues, without feeling like its an inferior phone. I get the sense there are some people feeling they were entitled to a 5 at $100 cheaper and Apple threw a plastic phone in their face instead. But there is no rule that says Apple has to bump down the previous year model and take off $100. What if the 5 is still very expensive and difficult to manufacture? Perhaps Apple thought having all their manufacturing lines consumed with a difficult to manufacture device would be disaster. As it is the 5S is delayed. Imagine what it would be like if Apple was still producing the 5 as well.
Is there someone making a big deal about the 5c using 5 components? I didn't think that was the issue.
"Not the one I would buy, unless it had 5s internals and maybe a more sedate color."
I wonder which color in the 5c line up is selling the best. Perhaps the 'sedate' white one. Other manufacturers such as Nokia and Motorola are selling phones in similar bright colors to those offered by Apple so perhaps they are trending, but I think the white one should have a broader appeal.
Thanks for the link. However, more than half their tips are features are things Apple has publicized or are items readily accessible in the settings. Don't get me wrong, it's seems pretty useful for non-techies, but there was maybe 4 things out of 90 I didn't already know. And my tip about tapping the bottom of the safari window to bring the controls back up wasn't one of them. They just suggest you scroll down to bring them back up...
Good for you. /clap clap (Next time, perhaps you could be a bit more specific than "....hidden tips and tricks for iOS 7" and perhaps add to your signature the fact that you're an iOS "techie".)
Just out of curiosity, exactly what types of T&T were/are you hoping for?
Good for you. /clap clap (Next time, perhaps you could be a bit more specific than "....hidden tips and tricks for iOS 7" and perhaps add to your signature the fact that you're an iOS "techie".)
Just out of curiosity, exactly what types of T&T were/are you hoping for?
Not even a drop in the bucket. I am trading a lot of 100 shares and a few calls/puts here and there. Stock manipulation do happens at option expirations and it sure aint done by retail investors.
To be clear , It's the people posting their complaints to the void (=no one in particular) every time the price drops that's been grating on me. However, is size of trades the determining factor? Also, you can't be the only one making those trades. It seems like they might add up.
Not that I think you're the bad guy. There have been times where an article or story of some sort is written about Apple that seems suspicious. Like anything that nutcase Kramer says. Those are times where people complaining about stock manipulation makes more sense to me. On the other hand we've created a stock market that is very similar to a casino.
I don't know, I'm just trying to make a little more sense of it all. And I guess wishing I'd see fewer useless posts about stock manipulation every time the upper right corner of AI has some red number.
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The 5c isn't going to excite people who line up for phones on day 1. It's going to kill it amongst the casual budget crew and Christmas buyers.
Hey folks, it's 5s, not 5S. 5c, not 5C. This matters, particularly for those selling them.
Looking around the internet, it's surprising how much tech pundits have the names of the new iPhones wrong.
Yes, except you are wrong. Gruber (at Daringfireball) explains this issue well. He writes, "Let’s get this capitalization thing out of the way, too. Yes, I’m using 5C and 5S, with uppercase letters, and Apple is using 5c and 5s. Why? These names are initialisms, words where you pronounce them by spelling out the letters of their names. In an initialism, according to all standard style guides, all letters are capitalized. That’s it. If Apple chooses, for marketing reasons, to capitalize these letters differently, that’s on them. It’s a style choice, not a spelling choice."
Screw that. 5C. 5S. I’m not typing idiotic capitalizations. What happens if I need to make it plural?
Yeah. You have to love the way 5ss looks in print. I'm sure plenty of people will add an apostrophe. I'd rather it was 5Ss for the plural.
Selling out of the 5s is good, but it looks like inventory was very low. I am pretty confident Apple made a huge amount of 5c so if they were to run out it would be big.
I dont think there is any way to guess how many they sold over the weekend, it could below or above last year number of 5 millions. There is only one thing I am sure of, the stock will move big on monday and this is why I played both sides for that news. I did an option straddle at 2 different expiration dates. The short side is on the weekly and the long side is in April 2014.
I have been lucky in the past months. Bought at $420, sold all at $502 at iphone 5 launch. Bought at $470 and $455 and sold last week at $475. My play for next week is an option straddle and I plan to ride the stock for the ipads later.
Isn't it this type of investment behavior that results in me having to read endless posts about stock manipulation?
His option trades have little or no impact on stock prices.
Not even a drop in the bucket. I am trading a lot of 100 shares and a few calls/puts here and there. Stock manipulation do happens at option expirations and it sure aint done by retail investors.
This is a great point and why I think it makes sense for Apple to create a product portfolio for iPhone. Now when you go to Best Buy or one of the carrier stores there's more space It's just too bad this phone is being labeled as "last years phone" when it still matches up so well to (and in some cases surpasses) competitor phones in terms of user experience.
It is kind of like when Coke released "New Coke." Many people thought Coca Cola was crazy. People started talking about it. Coca Cola's name was every where. Eventually, Coke brought the "Old Coke" back. It, however, kept "New Coke." This move allowed Coke to take up twice the shelf space at it's competitors expense. Now companies that used to offer just a couple flavors have all kinds of varients of flavors in an attempt to take up shelf space.
The last year phone label is really not fair. There are plenty of phones being sold today using technology from years ago. Further, look at car companies. Every year they release new models, but the new models generally are slight modifications and feature enhancements of previous year models. The body style and engine are used for several generations. Even though the overall designs of the vehicles are the same, the cost does not go down.
Here the 5C shares many of the same components as last years top selling phone, but it is a newly designed phone. The logic board has been tweaked, it has a bigger battery, a better face time camera, and a new case. It is also a hundred bucks cheaper.
I am thinking about it, you are not. I know, you don't get nuances and implications. Not in your purview. Let's try some imagination, no matter how difficult it is for you:
Apple has bet the farm on this plastic phone. If your scenario of no interest and low sales were to prove true, it would be a huge disaster for them. They would in fact face an existential threat over it. Can you see that?
Yes? Well then, it would be best if you kept quiet until you know some sales figures.
No, you can't see that? Then do something to open up your right brain. It's really not working. Oh, and best to keep quiet until you do, or you are going to look like the biggest fool here.
By the way, I'm one of Apple's "biggest enthusiasts and supporters," and I think the plastic phone is a work of art. Not the one I would buy, unless it had 5s internals and maybe a more sedate color. Also, by the way, whoever said the back feels like ceramic is deficient in their tactile vocabulary. Ceramic is cold, stiff and brittle; this polycarbonate is warm, strong, but soft at the same time. It will sell well.
Samsung never made anything this rich and substantial in plastic. Unfortunately, it may teach them how to do plastic better. Last I heard they were putting fake stitching on the back of one phone. Must be a joke, but I think it was one of their videos.
It will sell well.
You are replying to blackbook with a very condescending tone, accosting him of being foolish for predicting lower than expected sales of the 5c and not waiting for the released numbers, yet you take an exact, but, opposite stance ahead of the numbers predicting that 'it will sell well'. Seems a tad hypocritical.
Coz the motherfuckers want growth . Less profit is easier to grow , less profit and big market share growing like Lenovo . Apple is too good to dream better , u know .
Easy, plural iPhone, as in iPhones 5s.
You are replying to blackbook with a very condescending tone, accosting him of being foolish for predicting lower than expected sales of the 5c and not waiting for the released numbers, yet you take an exact, but, opposite stance ahead of the numbers predicting that 'it will sell well'. Seems a tad hypocritical.
I also like this part:
See this is what I don't get. Take a cheaper Galaxy or Lumia or even the Moto X. Are all the components inside the phone brand new? Is it the latest and greatest technology? Do consumers even ask those questions? I doubt it. So why is it a big deal that the 5C is using 5 parts? There are tens of millions of people using the 5 right now without any issues, without feeling like its an inferior phone. I get the sense there are some people feeling they were entitled to a 5 at $100 cheaper and Apple threw a plastic phone in their face instead. But there is no rule that says Apple has to bump down the previous year model and take off $100. What if the 5 is still very expensive and difficult to manufacture? Perhaps Apple thought having all their manufacturing lines consumed with a difficult to manufacture device would be disaster. As it is the 5S is delayed. Imagine what it would be like if Apple was still producing the 5 as well.
See this is what I don't get. Take a cheaper Galaxy or Lumia or even the Moto X. Are all the components inside the phone brand new? Is it the latest and greatest technology? Do consumers even ask those questions? I doubt it. So why is it a big deal that the 5C is using 5 parts? There are tens of millions of people using the 5 right now without any issues, without feeling like its an inferior phone. I get the sense there are some people feeling they were entitled to a 5 at $100 cheaper and Apple threw a plastic phone in their face instead. But there is no rule that says Apple has to bump down the previous year model and take off $100. What if the 5 is still very expensive and difficult to manufacture? Perhaps Apple thought having all their manufacturing lines consumed with a difficult to manufacture device would be disaster. As it is the 5S is delayed. Imagine what it would be like if Apple was still producing the 5 as well.
Is there someone making a big deal about the 5c using 5 components? I didn't think that was the issue.
I also like this part:
I wonder which color in the 5c line up is selling the best. Perhaps the 'sedate' white one. Other manufacturers such as Nokia and Motorola are selling phones in similar bright colors to those offered by Apple so perhaps they are trending, but I think the white one should have a broader appeal.
http://www.maclife.com/article/gallery/90_ios_7_tips_and_tricks
Thanks for the link. However, more than half their tips are features are things Apple has publicized or are items readily accessible in the settings. Don't get me wrong, it's seems pretty useful for non-techies, but there was maybe 4 things out of 90 I didn't already know. And my tip about tapping the bottom of the safari window to bring the controls back up wasn't one of them. They just suggest you scroll down to bring them back up...
Good for you. /clap clap (Next time, perhaps you could be a bit more specific than "....hidden tips and tricks for iOS 7" and perhaps add to your signature the fact that you're an iOS "techie".)
Just out of curiosity, exactly what types of T&T were/are you hoping for?
Good for you. /clap clap (Next time, perhaps you could be a bit more specific than "....hidden tips and tricks for iOS 7" and perhaps add to your signature the fact that you're an iOS "techie".)
Just out of curiosity, exactly what types of T&T were/are you hoping for?
The shortcut for intergalactic travel.
Apple has bet the farm on this plastic phone. .... They would in fact face an existential threat over it. Can you see that?
Huh?
Did you forget the '/s' tag?
The shortcut for intergalactic travel.
That one is simple:
To be clear , It's the people posting their complaints to the void (=no one in particular) every time the price drops that's been grating on me. However, is size of trades the determining factor? Also, you can't be the only one making those trades. It seems like they might add up.
Not that I think you're the bad guy. There have been times where an article or story of some sort is written about Apple that seems suspicious. Like anything that nutcase Kramer says. Those are times where people complaining about stock manipulation makes more sense to me. On the other hand we've created a stock market that is very similar to a casino.
I don't know, I'm just trying to make a little more sense of it all. And I guess wishing I'd see fewer useless posts about stock manipulation every time the upper right corner of AI has some red number.