Data bites dogma: Apple's iOS ate up Android, Blackberry U.S. market share losses this summer

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  • Reply 21 of 114
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 9,627member
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    Apple IOS only has 6% market share in China, which is by far the largest smartphone market. Apple needs a new strategy otherwise android will continue to take market share.


     

     

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    So what?


     

    Exactly. So what? A lot of economists think the Chinese economy is a bubble that will burst in the not so distant future. And so what if Android continues to gain market share? In the past (Windows vs Mac OS) that meant developers would flock to the one they could sell most stuff to. As numerous investigations and surveys point out, that's NOT happening in the Android vs iOS battle. Developers are overwhelmingly iOS first and Android second, or not at all. Why? Because iOS users actually buy apps and use their devices. Web traffic and paid apps are owned by iOS, period. What good is market share if nobody is making money on your platform?

     

    Should I go on?

  • Reply 22 of 114
    mode 5mode 5 Posts: 59member
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    Nope. None of those are news.



    In most surveys like this, the margin of error is +/- 2 or 3%. Anything less than that is meaningless . . . 

     

    So that would make Microsoft a rounding error then?

  • Reply 23 of 114
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,426member
    I can see why Scamsung phones may be preferred by some of the older generation. After all in the pre smart phone era there were special large phones with large buttons that looked just like those Scamsung phones that were marketed directly to the elderly. Of course now, the smarter older folks just ask Siri to do more.

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  • Reply 24 of 114
    jessijessi Posts: 302member
    How does comscore get their data? Are carriers actually reporting how many devices of a particular OS are on their networks? And how would the carriers possibly know? There is no "this phone is running os X version Y" protocol in GSM, etc. GSM just talks to a SIM card.

    I doubt android has the marketshare these numbers indicate, especially given the propensity for these "analysts" to tell whatever lies they are paid to tell, and the dubious claims about the source of the data.
  • Reply 25 of 114
    tundraboytundraboy Posts: 1,786member
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    Apple IOS only has 6% market share in China, which is by far the largest smartphone market. Apple needs a new strategy otherwise android will continue to take market share.


     

    This is one of the stupidest, most uninformed, and most vacuous posts I've ever read in AI.  It's not even worth anybody's effort to explain why it is so.

  • Reply 26 of 114
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    This is one of the stupidest, most uninformed, and most vacuous posts I've ever read in AI.  It's not even worth anybody's effort to explain why it is so.


     

    You obviously haven't read many posts on AI.    <img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />

  • Reply 27 of 114
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    How does comscore get their data? Are carriers actually reporting how many devices of a particular OS are on their networks? And how would the carriers possibly know? There is no "this phone is running os X version Y" protocol in GSM, etc. GSM just talks to a SIM card.



    I doubt android has the marketshare these numbers indicate, especially given the propensity for these "analysts" to tell whatever lies they are paid to tell, and the dubious claims about the source of the data.

     

    What is this propensity that you speak of? Do you have evidence to back up your claim? Sure, it could be happening but why wouldn't the same thing be happening with competitors? Wouldn't it be relative? You doubt the numbers, why? Because you've studied it on your own?

  • Reply 28 of 114
    pokepoke Posts: 506member
    Looks like HTC's plan to move up market and compete directly with the iPhone is working out great for them.
  • Reply 29 of 114
    jragostajragosta Posts: 10,473member
    tundraboy wrote: »
    This is one of the stupidest, most uninformed, and most vacuous posts I've ever read in AI.  It's not even worth anybody's effort to explain why it is so.

    I've seen much worse. Heck, even most of the industry analysts say stupider things.

    But there IS an appropriate response for insanely stupid posts:

  • Reply 30 of 114
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    It also explains why Google's chairman Eric Schmidt continued to suggest the potential for Apple to give up on its own maps and simply adopt Google's as late as April, far after there was any hope in such a scenario actually occurring.


    "We would still really like them to use our maps," Schmidt told CNET this spring. "It would be easy for them to take the app in the store and put it as their basic one."

     

    It would be nice to hear Schmidt say, "but but but Google needs competition."

  • Reply 31 of 114
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    Apple IOS only has 6% market share in China, which is by far the largest smartphone market. Apple needs a new strategy otherwise android will continue to take market share.


     

    I never tire of Google worshippers feigning "deep concern" for Apple's competitiveness. Please, continue.

  • Reply 32 of 114
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    Seems like the headline searched was 'teens no longer found Apple cool'

     

    Of course they don't. They be bumpin the phonz, yo.

  • Reply 33 of 114
    Nice bit of news on the second anniversary of Steve's death.

    Here's Tim's tweet:
  • Reply 34 of 114
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    in other words, it is china-who gives a rats


     

    Apple does. But that's (literally) their business, their strategy. I love these armchair critics who sling FUD and DOOM at Apple, but aren't themselves running billion dollar companies. Who am I going to believe: Tim Cook, or "peter236"?

  • Reply 35 of 114

    I agree with an earlier poster that Microsoft about to take the #3 spot is the most significant bit of news here. I am no fan of the company or their products but they have a definite advantage by linking their desktop OS to their mobile OS. They also have their own native software development tools. As a developer I am finding the platform hard to ignore.

  • Reply 36 of 114
    Samsung tries so hard to be "cool" but falls short. The harder they try, they just end up looking like the desperate kid in high school.
  • Reply 37 of 114
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member

    These charts and statistics only further confirm what I have always been saying, that Android users in general, are poorer, they are less educated and more ignorant than the average Apple user, though there are always exceptions of course.

     

    I see evidence of this all of the time. When I am taking an airline flight, I mostly only see iOS devices being used. I see tons of people using iPads on flights. It makes sense that poorer people do not fly as much or have money to take vacations, therefore, Android people are more likely to stay home, and almost certainly less likely to even have a passport. And don't forget the stats that show that almost all WIFI use in flight is from iOS devices.

     

    When I take the subway, I can usually always spot the Android people, as they are the ones who look most ghettoized, both in their appearance, their demeanor and their language skills, or lack of such skills. As I stated, there are always exceptions to the rule, but I am correct more often than not in spotting such people.

  • Reply 38 of 114
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    Apple does. But that's (literally) their business, their strategy. I love these armchair critics who sling FUD and DOOM at Apple, but aren't themselves running billion dollar companies. Who am I going to believe: Tim Cook, or "peter236"?


     

    Yes they do. I believe their strategy there won't be that different from here in the US. They are not after the bottom feeders in this country and I doubt they will chase that segment there, or in any market.

  • Reply 39 of 114
    akqiesakqies Posts: 768member
    apple ][ wrote: »
    These charts and statistics only further confirm what I have always been saying, that Android users in general, are poorer, they are less educated and more ignorant than the average Apple user, though there are always exceptions of course.

    I see evidence of this all of the time. When I am taking an airline flight, I mostly only see iOS devices being used. I see tons of people using iPads on flights. It makes sense that poorer people do not fly as much or have money to take vacations, therefore, Android people are more likely to stay home, and almost certainly less likely to even have a passport. And don't forget the stats that show that almost all WIFI use in flight is from iOS devices.

    When I take the subway, I can usually always spot the Android people, as they are the ones who look most ghettoized, both in their appearance, their demeanor and their language skills, or lack of such skills. As I stated, there are always exceptions to the rule, but I am correct more often than not in spotting such people.

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  • Reply 40 of 114
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    The same research firm also profiles mobile app audiences, noting for example that Facebook now has a 75.7 percent reach among smartphone users on both platforms. The firm's combined app data for iOS and Android also assigns Apple Maps a 27.5 percent penetration compared to 46.1 percent for Google Maps.



    That means Apple's Maps, in its first year on the market, achieved 40 percent of Google's total audience reach, despite only being available on iOS, which comScore says represents 40.7 percent of the U.S. market.

     

     

    I can sum up the Apple maps penetration in two words: default apps.  If Apple didn't force map links to launch in its own application, its use would plummet.

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