Data bites dogma: Apple's iOS ate up Android, Blackberry U.S. market share losses this summer

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  • Reply 41 of 114
    akqiesakqies Posts: 768member
    I can sum up the Apple maps penetration in two words: default apps.  If Apple didn't force map links to launch in its own application, its use would plummet.

    So despite Android "activations" being a trillion to one for every iDevice sold it's because Apple made their own Maps app that they are dominating in usage? Good one! /s


    PS: You may want to look at Safari, Mail and Calendar usage on Mac OS X. Despite being able to alter the default app and being plenty of great 3rd-party options they are sill overwhelmingly popular which completely blows your theory out of the water.
  • Reply 42 of 114
    darklitedarklite Posts: 229member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by wakefinance View Post

     

     

    I can sum up the Apple maps penetration in two words: default apps.  If Apple didn't force map links to launch in its own application, its use would plummet.


     

    The data for the apps doesn't come from the same source as the OS data, so we don't know what proportion of the devices are iOS vs Android, which makes stats about things like Apple Maps meaningless (30% of devices measured had Apple Maps, but were the iOS devices 30% of the population surveyed?). We don't know whether it's install base or usage and we don't know how they're getting their data in the first place. It's not even clear what they mean by the "reach" they're measuring.

     

    All in all it's a pretty useless study unless they give more specifics. Presumably it's just intended to try and make people buy their products. Most of these studies are just as useless as the analysts who forecast Apple's impending doom.

  • Reply 43 of 114
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,428member
    akqies wrote: »
    So despite Android "activations" being a trillion to one for every iDevice sold it's because Apple made their own Maps app that they are dominating in usage? Good one! /s




    ROFL ... good one.
  • Reply 44 of 114
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,001member
    apple ][ wrote: »
    These charts and statistics only further confirm what I have always been saying, that Android users in general, are poorer, they are less educated and more ignorant than the average Apple user, though there are always exceptions of course.

    I see evidence of this all of the time. When I am taking an airline flight, I mostly only see iOS devices being used. I see tons of people using iPads on flights. It makes sense that poorer people do not fly as much or have money to take vacations, therefore, Android people are more likely to stay home, and almost certainly less likely to even have a passport. And don't forget the stats that show that almost all WIFI use in flight is from iOS devices.

    When I take the subway, I can usually always spot the Android people, as they are the ones who look most ghettoized, both in their appearance, their demeanor and their language skills, or lack of such skills. As I stated, there are always exceptions to the rule, but I am correct more often than not in spotting such people.

    Oh how I would love to read how you differentiate a ghetto look to a most ghettoized look.
  • Reply 45 of 114
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member
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    Originally Posted by akqies View Post





    If Tarantino makes AppleInsider: Unchained you're role will be played by Leonardo DiCaprio.

     

    I think that he's a bit too short to play me, though I'm sure that some other good looking actor can be found.<img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />

     

    And speaking of DiCaprio, I was at a nightclub some years ago with some friends, just drinking, smoking and chilling, and over in a corner of the club, there sat DiCaprio. There was actually some kind of altercation later on. I think that it was because some jealous loser got mad, because the girl that he was with was a bit too smitten by DiCaprio, and the guy didn't take that too well. The loser guy ended up getting thrown out.

  • Reply 46 of 114
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post





    Oh how I would love to read how you differentiate a ghetto look to a most ghettoized look.

     

    I could go into great detail about such matters, but I think that it's probably better that I refrain from doing so, as I am not interested in having a bunch of intolerant PC folks accusing me of all sorts of things.8-) So people will just have to use their own imagination.

  • Reply 47 of 114
    philboogie wrote: »
    0.8% point change for BB & Android? That is the news? I think the bigger news is Microsoft, going from 3.0 to 3.2 is more than 6% increase.

    No doubt about it, Microsoft is planning on a surprise come-from-behind stealth take-over of the smart phone market.
  • Reply 48 of 114
    darklitedarklite Posts: 229member
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    Originally Posted by Macky the Macky View Post





    No doubt about it, Microsoft is planning on a surprise come-from-behind stealth take-over of the smart phone market.

     

    Nobody's saying that, but it's a significant amount of growth relative to the platform's size. Besides, the more successful smartphone platforms the better.

  • Reply 49 of 114
    d4njvrzfd4njvrzf Posts: 797member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by akqies View Post



    PS: You may want to look at Safari, Mail and Calendar usage on Mac OS X. Despite being able to alter the default app and being plenty of great 3rd-party options they are sill overwhelmingly popular which completely blows your theory out of the water.

    I think this comparison is flawed. Unlike Apple Maps, Safari and Mail are well-established, mature products. Even the usual Apple detractors have nothing to say about them. Your analogy would be more valid if Apple had decided just last year to get into the desktop browser market and released a buggy Safari 1.0. 

  • Reply 50 of 114
    jragostajragosta Posts: 10,473member
    akqies wrote: »
    So despite Android "activations" being a trillion to one for every iDevice sold it's because Apple made their own Maps app that they are dominating in usage? Good one! /s

    That's not possible. Everyone knows that Apple Maps is no good and Google Maps is 84.3 billion times better. /s

    BTW, I wonder how having Apple Maps as the default app on iOS is unfair, but having Google Maps as the default on Android is OK.
  • Reply 51 of 114
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,399member
    Originally Posted by DarkLite View Post

    Nobody's saying that, but it's a significant amount of growth relative to the platform's size.


     

    Exactly; he’s joking.

     

    Besides, the more successful smartphone platforms the better. 


     

    Not really. In fact, that’s the opposite of what we should want.

  • Reply 52 of 114
    d4njvrzfd4njvrzf Posts: 797member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jragosta View Post




    BTW, I wonder how having Apple Maps as the default app on iOS is unfair, but having Google Maps as the default on Android is OK.

    While I see nothing wrong with having Apple Maps as the default on iOS, the difference is that on iOS you cannot change the default apps, so map links will always open in Apple Maps and you need to manually copy-paste the relevant info into other mapping apps. On Android you avoid this extra step because you can set your preferred mapping app as the default handler for map links.

  • Reply 53 of 114

    Seesaw.

     

    Hopefully, the same battle will play out in other markets, thus keeping the pressure on all companies to keep up the pace of innovation. We as customers will benefit. In fact, no matter which brand we favor, we should never hope for one company to completely dominate. May this seesaw never lose its momentum.

  • Reply 54 of 114
    somfwsomfw Posts: 1member
    And this one time iOS bump, after month after month of declines has nothing to do with Google's ingenius tactic to chase Ad revenue now and in the future, by giving away their product, that every Apple user wants. right? Look at Apple vs Google recent market cap vs shares outstanding and all the other important metrics, they are nearly identical! Now factor in that, Up until this year, Google produced nothing but information! While stale Apple gets their revenue from selling cheap and antiquated products to lemmings for premium prices.

    What are some of the most downloaded apps on iOS? That's right Google apps! And they are all free too. Thus giving apple lemmings the best of both worlds, (in their minds). They get their "me too" boring, tiny phones as well as some of the best software, (thanks to Google), available on any OS. How many apple lemmings are now content to stay on their miniature apple phones because of Goggles marketing genius? They get free access to Google Maps, Drive, Now, YouTube etc. And Google laughs all the way to the bank. Mean while Apple has to constantly refresh obsolete before it is even released, vintage 2008 era iPhones just to stay in business. It's a good thing there are still third world contries to make what Apple lemmings want to buy.But hey, Apple does know it's fanboys better than anybody! They know you all will gobble up the latest and greatest ancient Android ideas when they release them as "Evolutionary, cutting edge features in their "new" iphone just by adding an "S" to it'd name or changing its number
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    Besides this is a one time jump in an ever decreasing market share, in the USA only. Tell us about what Apples domestic share vs Android was last year Or the year before that etc. Then we can talk about trends. Now let's talk about Androids world wide 80% +/- market vs Apples, shall we?
  • Reply 55 of 114
    akqiesakqies Posts: 768member
    jragosta wrote: »
    BTW, I wonder how having Apple Maps as the default app on iOS is unfair, but having Google Maps as the default on Android is OK.

    On this point I don't think it's about Google setting their own defaults for apps but rather that with Apple you can't change the default, outside of jailbreakkhg. That said, vendors ca lock down the "open" Android so that you are using the apps they want you to use

    Eventually I expect Apple to include an Advanced option in Settings that would allow one to change the default app. Perhaps an item under Settings => General that would list all system apps that you could show/hide on the home screens with a toggle switch and with some of them (like Mail and Safari) you can change the default app by pressing the small arrow button and choosing from applicable apps.
  • Reply 56 of 114
    akqiesakqies Posts: 768member
    apple ][ wrote: »
    I think that he's a bit too short to play me, though I'm sure that some other good looking actor can be found.:lol:

    I think he's like 6'1".

    d4njvrzf wrote: »
    I think this comparison is flawed. Unlike Apple Maps, Safari and Mail are well-established, mature products. Even the usual Apple detractors have nothing to say about them. Your analogy would be more valid if Apple had decided just last year to get into the desktop browser market and released a buggy Safari 1.0. 

    What about when Safari was just released? And back then you couldn't even go to a government website without being told to use IE or FF. Even IE has held a great deal of dominance despite being much shittier than pretty much everything else.
  • Reply 57 of 114
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by akqies View Post





    I think he's like 6'1".

     

    I thought that he was shorter. I just checked and he's 6'0", so he's not as short as I thought. I'm 6'2", so he would probably do just fine after all.

  • Reply 58 of 114
    d4njvrzfd4njvrzf Posts: 797member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by akqies View Post



    What about when Safari was just released? And back then you couldn't even go to a government website without being told to use IE or FF. Even IE has held a great deal of dominance despite being much shittier than pretty much everything else.

    If this data (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers#TheCounter.com_.282000_to_2009.29) is to be believed, Safari took many years to get to its current usage share. Also keep in mind that browsers back then weren't as mature as browsers and mapping apps are today. The dominant player IE wasn't particularly good, which is why small projects like Firefox were able to get a foothold in the browser market. 

  • Reply 59 of 114
    philboogiephilboogie Posts: 7,671member
    somfw wrote: »
    And it's not because of goggles infinite wisdom to chase Ad revenue in the present that spoke has gotten any boost right?
    What are some of the most downloaded apps o iOS? That's right Google apps! And they are all free too. Thus giving apple lemmings the best if both worlds, "me too" phones as well as the best software available on any OS. How many apple lemmings are content to stay on their miniature apple phones now that they have Google maps, drive, Now, YouTube etc. Besides this is a one time jump in ever decreasing market share, in the USA only. Now let's talk about Androids works wide 80% /- market share, shall we?

    Googles infinite wis...
    ...all free apps...
    ...best of both worlds...
    ...best software available on any OS...
    ...miniature Apple phones...
    ...decreasing market share...
    Android WW market share....

    But, sir,...

    Oh, who am I kidding?
  • Reply 60 of 114
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,399member
    Originally Posted by somfw View Post

    ..apple lemmings…

     

    Who bought the phone that exists simply because it isn’t another phone?

     

    Aaaaand who bought the phone that existed first?

     

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