[I don't mean this remotely in a sexist way -- perhaps its just reflective of my shallowness, more than anything else -- but its nice to have someone attractive-looking in Apple's senior management.
Ive comes close, but not quite..... the rest (Cook, Oppenheimer, Frederighi, Shiller) are not exactly easy on the eye.:)
I'd say Federighi's pretty good looking. He's the kind of guy even a straight guy could fall for. Look at this picture, he could be on one of the Just for Men boxes:
Apple events typically don't have female speakers, even when it comes to outside companies. It's important here to have a level of confidence that shows you are in control of the stage. That quality doesn't come across with Angela in the videos posted earlier. It's not really important about gender or race when it comes to who's holding what positions. Marissa Mayer from Yahoo was asked about being a woman in tech and she said it's more about being a geek.
Without realising it, it's the people who focus on gender and race as qualifiers all the time that are being discriminatory because in order for a guy to hold a high position, they are judged by people on the outside on merit; for a woman, they are judged on gender. For those people, a lack of women always implies misogyny - in other words, it's not that enough women aren't high achievers, it's that there's discrimination. The fact is a lot of women prefer being mothers to being in business and this lowers the number of women at the top.
It always looks better to have a mix of gender and race but it should never be done just for the sake of it. When you do, you end up with a Sony advert:
[VIDEO]
You've got an old white guy with a younger Asian woman, a mixed race son and daughter and some friends of other races come over. It checks most of the boxes for being all-inclusive of race, age, and gender but it ends up looking like an uncommon situation. Angela has held a lot of high positions and the good thing about it isn't that she's overcome any discrimination, it's the fact that she's put in the effort to get where she is. I do think that people place too much importance on the roles of the people at the top though, a company's success comes from the entire staff team. Hopefully she won't just come in, cut down on staff to try and boost profits to walk away with a large bonus.
The stores could do with giving customers more confidence in the service like guarantees over repairs. It may not happen often but a few people have had to deal with Mac repairs that take weeks. This is a terrible service for someone who relies on a computer for business and they could have guarantees that if they can't fix the machine in 3 days or so, they give you a temporary replacement to use.
I'd say Federighi's pretty good looking. He's the kind of guy even a straight guy could fall for. Look at this picture, he could be on one of the Just for Men boxes:
There is a difference between considering a fellow man attractive and falling for him. You sound confused. But that's ok.
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Without realising it, it's the people who focus on gender and race as qualifiers all the time that are being discriminatory because in order for a guy to hold a high position, they are judged by people on the outside on merit; for a woman, they are judged on gender. For those people, a lack of women always implies misogyny - in other words, it's not that enough women aren't high achievers, it's that there's discrimination. The fact is a lot of women prefer being mothers to being in business and this lowers the number of women at the top.
Misogyny and discrimination are not the same. Stereotyping (what you are doing) is yet another thing. You sound confused. And this is not ok.
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You've got an old white guy with a younger Asian woman, a mixed race son and daughter and some friends of other races come over. It checks most of the boxes for being all-inclusive of race, age, and gender but it ends up looking like an uncommon situation.
Just because he has grey hair doesn't make him much older; look carefully. Mixed families are not uncommon situations. You sound confused.
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The stores could do with giving customers more confidence in the service like guarantees over repairs. It may not happen often but a few people have had to deal with Mac repairs that take weeks. This is a terrible service for someone who relies on a computer for business and they could have guarantees that if they can't fix the machine in 3 days or so, they give you a temporary replacement to use.
This is hardly the first thing that comes to mind when one considers what Ms. Ahrendts needs to hit the ground running to do. You sound confused.
Just pulling your leg ... a little. But, seriously, you should reconsider what you wrote about how women are perceived. That is a very, very dated view that you should not espouse openly in situations where you are known.
"As a share of the total population, mixed-race Americans are still a tiny minority, just 2.9 percent, or about nine million people."
It makes some sense to do it in ads as they might run the same ads internationally but the situations they depict are not what I'd say is common. The point really is that evening the numbers of race or gender for the sake of it just doesn't fit with the real world and it's not necessarily an indicator of a problem when the numbers aren't balanced.
you should reconsider what you wrote about how women are perceived. That is a very, very dated view
If you mean the part about how women are judged by some on gender, that still happens. When Browett was hired, nobody once said 'good to see another middle-aged white guy in the job'. You know why? For the same reason that nobody needs to say that it's good to see a woman in the job or a black or hispanic or someone of a different sexuality. It's good to see talented people in the roles, nothing else is relevant. That's what equality is about. What's dated is for people to keep going on about how there's not enough women in the highest job positions e.g CEO roles, SVP roles. These jobs roles are being filled by women in many companies across the world.
I wonder how much Apple has to pay for this person, after salaries and bonuses are issued. There is no was she would have left such a high paying job and beeing chief of her own village without a pay increase that probably rivals Cook's.
I wonder how much Apple has to pay for this person, after salaries and bonuses are issued. There is no was she would have left such a high paying job and beeing chief of her own village without a pay increase that probably rivals Cook's.
“Do you want to sell handbags for the rest of your life, or do you want to change the world?”
"As a share of the total population, mixed-race Americans are still a tiny minority, just 2.9 percent, or about nine million people."
I challenge that stat. Black Americans make up more 2.9% of the population. Most self-identify as African-American but a significant percentage are in fact mixed.
Then you have many folks with mixed European backgrounds who are simply labeled as caucasian, not to mention Asians of similarly mixed heritage who are simply labeled as such.
Simply said, there is no chance in hell or on Earth that only 2.9% of the American population are of mixed backgrounds. No chance.
“Do you want to sell handbags for the rest of your life, or do you want to change the world?”
Your asking a girl that? Besides she's the head of retail, what ground breaking things is she going to come up with that will change anyones lives except those at Apple. Her job is to raise revenues, not find the cure for something.
I challenge that stat. Black Americans make up more 2.9% of the population. Most self-identify as African-American but a significant percentage are in fact mixed.
Then you have many folks with mixed European backgrounds who are simply labeled as caucasian, not to mention Asians of similarly mixed heritage who are simply labeled as such.
Simply said, there is no chance in hell or on Earth that only 2.9% of the American population are of mixed backgrounds. No chance.
It really depends on your PoV. Do we just use what people identify with culturally or do we use a more scientific approach? Even the US President is seen as "a black man" despite having a white mother. We've heard for years that Barack Obama is the first black US president but how often do you hear him referred to as the 44th* white president of the US?
* Technically, since Grover Cleveland serves two non-consecutive terms Barack Obama is only the 43rd person to serve despite being the 44th president.
...what ground breaking things is she going to come up with that will change anyones lives except those at Apple
You are asking this of an Apple employee? Many of Apple's concepts changes lives of many people. Hardware is obvious, but also retail, how people market and price goods and services. There are many areas in which Apple influences people's decisions. I think she is a great addition to the team and I very much look forward to seeing what she brings to the table; Apple retail table that is
Yes, yes I do, I was beamed up twice last night by Scotty, and it was wonderful. These space jockey's can be kind of full of themselves though, Scotty kept saying that he was the aforementioned export on heavenly bodies and that he would help me find and destroy a black hole. Psssttt, yeah okay, do you know how big the rocket would have to be to do that. I'm not that dumb.
I was taught a simple rule in grade school. Does it sound right when you remove the other person from the sentence. IOW, "My husband and I enjoy tea." and "My husband and me enjoy tea." both sound fine to the ear, but only "I enjoy tea." sounds correct. "Me enjoy tea." just a doesn't work.
Bingo. I'm surprised how many people get that wrong.
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You never know...
I'd say Federighi's pretty good looking. He's the kind of guy even a straight guy could fall for. Look at this picture, he could be on one of the Just for Men boxes:
Apple events typically don't have female speakers, even when it comes to outside companies. It's important here to have a level of confidence that shows you are in control of the stage. That quality doesn't come across with Angela in the videos posted earlier. It's not really important about gender or race when it comes to who's holding what positions. Marissa Mayer from Yahoo was asked about being a woman in tech and she said it's more about being a geek.
Without realising it, it's the people who focus on gender and race as qualifiers all the time that are being discriminatory because in order for a guy to hold a high position, they are judged by people on the outside on merit; for a woman, they are judged on gender. For those people, a lack of women always implies misogyny - in other words, it's not that enough women aren't high achievers, it's that there's discrimination. The fact is a lot of women prefer being mothers to being in business and this lowers the number of women at the top.
It always looks better to have a mix of gender and race but it should never be done just for the sake of it. When you do, you end up with a Sony advert:
[VIDEO]
You've got an old white guy with a younger Asian woman, a mixed race son and daughter and some friends of other races come over. It checks most of the boxes for being all-inclusive of race, age, and gender but it ends up looking like an uncommon situation. Angela has held a lot of high positions and the good thing about it isn't that she's overcome any discrimination, it's the fact that she's put in the effort to get where she is. I do think that people place too much importance on the roles of the people at the top though, a company's success comes from the entire staff team. Hopefully she won't just come in, cut down on staff to try and boost profits to walk away with a large bonus.
The stores could do with giving customers more confidence in the service like guarantees over repairs. It may not happen often but a few people have had to deal with Mac repairs that take weeks. This is a terrible service for someone who relies on a computer for business and they could have guarantees that if they can't fix the machine in 3 days or so, they give you a temporary replacement to use.
Is Tim Cook thinking about grooming her as his successor?
You never know...
Got no problem with that, as long as she passes this interview question:
"Would you hire John Browett to run Apple Retail?"
Acceptable answers: "No"
Unacceptable answers: "Maybe" and "Yes, I did in fact do just that."
I'd say Federighi's pretty good looking. He's the kind of guy even a straight guy could fall for. Look at this picture, he could be on one of the Just for Men boxes:
There is a difference between considering a fellow man attractive and falling for him. You sound confused. But that's ok.
Without realising it, it's the people who focus on gender and race as qualifiers all the time that are being discriminatory because in order for a guy to hold a high position, they are judged by people on the outside on merit; for a woman, they are judged on gender. For those people, a lack of women always implies misogyny - in other words, it's not that enough women aren't high achievers, it's that there's discrimination. The fact is a lot of women prefer being mothers to being in business and this lowers the number of women at the top.
You've got an old white guy with a younger Asian woman, a mixed race son and daughter and some friends of other races come over. It checks most of the boxes for being all-inclusive of race, age, and gender but it ends up looking like an uncommon situation.
The stores could do with giving customers more confidence in the service like guarantees over repairs. It may not happen often but a few people have had to deal with Mac repairs that take weeks. This is a terrible service for someone who relies on a computer for business and they could have guarantees that if they can't fix the machine in 3 days or so, they give you a temporary replacement to use.
Stereotyping who?
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/27/mixed-race-america/?_r=0
"As a share of the total population, mixed-race Americans are still a tiny minority, just 2.9 percent, or about nine million people."
It makes some sense to do it in ads as they might run the same ads internationally but the situations they depict are not what I'd say is common. The point really is that evening the numbers of race or gender for the sake of it just doesn't fit with the real world and it's not necessarily an indicator of a problem when the numbers aren't balanced.
If you mean the part about how women are judged by some on gender, that still happens. When Browett was hired, nobody once said 'good to see another middle-aged white guy in the job'. You know why? For the same reason that nobody needs to say that it's good to see a woman in the job or a black or hispanic or someone of a different sexuality. It's good to see talented people in the roles, nothing else is relevant. That's what equality is about. What's dated is for people to keep going on about how there's not enough women in the highest job positions e.g CEO roles, SVP roles. These jobs roles are being filled by women in many companies across the world.
http://www.makers.com/marissa-mayer/moments/distance-feminism
Angela Ahrendts has been CEO and in executive positions at a number of companies already.
I wonder how much Apple has to pay for this person, after salaries and bonuses are issued. There is no was she would have left such a high paying job and beeing chief of her own village without a pay increase that probably rivals Cook's.
“Do you want to sell handbags for the rest of your life, or do you want to change the world?”
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/27/mixed-race-america/?_r=0
"As a share of the total population, mixed-race Americans are still a tiny minority, just 2.9 percent, or about nine million people."
I challenge that stat. Black Americans make up more 2.9% of the population. Most self-identify as African-American but a significant percentage are in fact mixed.
Then you have many folks with mixed European backgrounds who are simply labeled as caucasian, not to mention Asians of similarly mixed heritage who are simply labeled as such.
Simply said, there is no chance in hell or on Earth that only 2.9% of the American population are of mixed backgrounds. No chance.
“Do you want to sell handbags for the rest of your life, or do you want to change the world?”
Your asking a girl that? Besides she's the head of retail, what ground breaking things is she going to come up with that will change anyones lives except those at Apple. Her job is to raise revenues, not find the cure for something.
It really depends on your PoV. Do we just use what people identify with culturally or do we use a more scientific approach? Even the US President is seen as "a black man" despite having a white mother. We've heard for years that Barack Obama is the first black US president but how often do you hear him referred to as the 44th* white president of the US?
* Technically, since Grover Cleveland serves two non-consecutive terms Barack Obama is only the 43rd person to serve despite being the 44th president.
...what ground breaking things is she going to come up with that will change anyones lives except those at Apple
You are asking this of an Apple employee? Many of Apple's concepts changes lives of many people. Hardware is obvious, but also retail, how people market and price goods and services. There are many areas in which Apple influences people's decisions. I think she is a great addition to the team and I very much look forward to seeing what she brings to the table; Apple retail table that is
Now that you mention it, that’s an awesome pickup line.
"Come with me if you want to live!" hasn't been working out for you?
The girls are getting younger; they haven’t seen Terminator these days.
If I go to work at Apple, I’ll be able to use the ol’ Zaphod Beeblebrox, though… “D’you wanna see my spaceship?”
“D’you wanna see my spaceship?”
Yes, yes I do, I was beamed up twice last night by Scotty, and it was wonderful. These space jockey's can be kind of full of themselves though, Scotty kept saying that he was the aforementioned export on heavenly bodies and that he would help me find and destroy a black hole. Psssttt, yeah okay, do you know how big the rocket would have to be to do that. I'm not that dumb.
I was taught a simple rule in grade school. Does it sound right when you remove the other person from the sentence. IOW, "My husband and I enjoy tea." and "My husband and me enjoy tea." both sound fine to the ear, but only "I enjoy tea." sounds correct. "Me enjoy tea." just a doesn't work.
Bingo. I'm surprised how many people get that wrong.