perhaps it is you who failed maths, mathematically 10.1 = 10.10
What the fuçk is wrong with people? These aren't decimal fractions they are version numbers. You should realize that because it's not just 10.9 or 10.10, but 10.9.3 or 10.10.7.4. Since when are there multiple points used with decimal notation? Each value between the period is a whole number that is stepped like when you do an outline in Word or Pages. For fuçk's sake!
What the fuçk is wrong with people? These aren't decimal fractions they are version numbers. You should realize that because it's not just 10.9 or 10.10, but 10.9.3 or 10.10.7.4. Since when are there multiple points used with decimal notation? Each value between the period is a whole number that is stepped like when you do an outline in Word or Pages. For fuçk's sake!
If they had adopted the current naming convention a couple of years earlier it would have been nice to have seen Lion called Cupertino instead, in honor of 25 years of the Macintosh.
On reflection there was a 20th anniversary Mac (presumably for 20 years of Apple), but no 25th anniversary machine.
What a 25 years it has been, albeit 12 to 15 years of OS X depending on where you draw the line.
Mavericks makes it a joy to use a Mac, not that it's ever been arduous.
As for those who bleat on about how it must be OS 11 and not OS 10 because of the 10.10 notation,
I wonder what you'll make of the fact that several countries use the comma as the radix point (the decimal mark) and not a full stop.
In any case, as many have pointed out here, in the context of OS X versions, the 10.8.3 or 10.0.0 notation is not representative of a mathematical number, nor is there any rule that Apple, or indeed anybody else should label operating system versions with a precise mathematical sequence.
What the fuçk is wrong with people? These aren't decimal fractions they are version numbers. You should realize that because it's not just 10.9 or 10.10, but 10.9.3 or 10.10.7.4. Since when are there multiple points used with decimal notation? Each value between the period is a whole number that is stepped like when you do an outline in Word or Pages. For fuçk's sake!
Brain damage, apparently.
As to names, I really like Sierra, as someone else mentioned. But it's CA: Obviously, they have lots of choices.
I can't quite imagine the improvements to be made over Mavericks, but that's probably why I don't work for Apple.
As to names, I really like Sierra, as someone else mentioned. But it's CA: Obviously, they have lots of choices.
I can't quite imagine the improvements to be made over Mavericks, but that's probably why I don't work for Apple.
What do you mean you can't quite imagine the improvements to be made over Mavericks? Are you saying that Mavericks can't be improved upon other than cleaning up whatever bugs and security issues that might be found?
Every OS and application can be improved upon. As time progresses they gather the feedback from users, they look at other techniques to optimize their OS, etc. as hardware changes come out and other techniques emerge to squeeze out a little better performance, maybe some minor tweaks to the workflow, etc. I think OS X is due for a difference in the theme, I think that might be an upcoming change that will be more visual than it would be technical based. But Apple seems to come up with 200+ new features (visible or underneath the hood) to make improvements.
11 is the multitouch desktop OS. We’re not there yet.
I don't think Apple is going to do a multi-touch screen desktop OS. I think they are correct in avoiding it. If my iMac had a touch screen, I'd probably use it like never. From where I sit, I would have to lean over just to touch my screen in the middle and all four corners. It would cause a lot of big arm movements and eventually shoulder strain. That's a big pass. Sorry, I think that OS X is just going to get improvements that are visual and some that are just speed/optimization and adapting to new hardware each year.
I just don't see a touch screen version other than iOS.
The only REAL need for a touch screen is for a presenter that wants to manipulate the OS when on a BIG screen kind of like how they do it in these movies we see. We've probably have seen them used where they are in a police station or something like that and they have a big panel where they have people touching the screen. But I don't know if the masses are going to really do that. There might some specific needs here and there, but I don't think it's a big market to worry about for now.
I can certainly get around on a 27 inch screen just fine using a gesture mouse and track pad.
I'll go out on a limb and predict a new file system for 10.10. Which has been under development since the ZFS let down. And it will blow everything else out of the water.
I'll go out on a limb and predict a new file system for 10.10. Which has been under development since the ZFS let down. And it will blow everything else out of the water.
Yeah, I would probably agree that it's time for that to happen, hopefully they will. Changing file system is a big undertaking in design and testing to come up with something that does what they want, plus how it would affect every app developer.
I don't think Apple is going to do a multi-touch screen desktop OS.
Where’s the evidence of that? Of course they’re going to do one. If they weren’t, they wouldn’t be reducing usability of their cursor OS by continuing to style it after their touchscreen OS. They wouldn’t be making UI elements larger, they wouldn’t be adding gestures…
They’re going to do it right; just trust them. People didn’t figure the mouse would work, either.
I can certainly get around on a 27 inch screen just fine using a gesture mouse and track pad.
Where’s the evidence of that? Of course they’re going to do one. If they weren’t, they wouldn’t be reducing usability of their cursor OS by continuing to style it after their touchscreen OS. They wouldn’t be making UI elements larger, they wouldn’t be adding gestures…
They’re going to do it right; just trust them. People didn’t figure the mouse would work, either.
Since when has Apple been about “just fine”?
I think Apple mentioned that will not be coming out with a multi-touch screen OS for desktops/laptops solely due to not being ergonomic. That when Microsoft came out with Metro UI for Windows 7.
I think Apple mentioned that will not be coming out with a multi-touch screen OS for desktops/laptops solely due to not being ergonomic.
Nope. I remember that one. I don’t remember the date or what was being announced, but I remember the graphic and the bit about it.
Apple was talking about hardware only. They said they weren’t going to make a hybrid laptop–one with a touchscreen–for, as you said, ergonomics. They may have mentioned the same for desktops.
The point is, Apple isn’t going to be making vertical screens! That’s what they were saying: vertical screens are horrible, always, unless you’re waiting in line at an amusement park or communist bread line.
Nope. I remember that one. I don’t remember the date or what was being announced, but I remember the graphic and the bit about it.
Apple was talking about hardware only. They said they weren’t going to make a hybrid laptop–one with a touchscreen–for, as you said, ergonomics. They may have mentioned the same for desktops.
The point is, Apple isn’t going to be making vertical screens! That’s what they were saying: vertical screens are horrible, always, unless you’re waiting in line at an amusement park or communist bread line.
I read that they won't be coming out with a touchscreen based desktop/laptops. I think that also rules monitors.
I personally think iPads will eventually get bigger to a certain point where there is a limit. I think that limit MIGHT be the same size as a screen on a 15inch laptop, somewhere in that neighborhood, but I'd have to play with it and I think games is where it would either be playable or not at that screen size. But they have to make them have long battery life, but the weight has to be 1.5 lb or less and they have to be thin as well and of course priced to be sellable. I don't know if they can do that, yet.
Can't come sooner. Mavericks has crashed on me (waking from sleep) at least 10 times. I'm talking full kernel panic, or completely unresponsive machine. Combine that with the instant sleep when I accidentally tap the power button (which on the RMBP is extremely easy to do, and *doesn't* require more than a standard keystroke to activate) that's frequently interrupting my workflow, Mavericks is a disaster. I've found other bugs as well. If you have an encrypted DMG, try and mount it. Permission denied. Even trying to create a new encrypted DMG image via disk utility, you get a permission denied error. (This has to do with the file permissions inside of the DMG, which are completely messed up. You can sudo su and take a look if you know what you're doing.) The finder is slow to refresh changes (on SMB ext2 formatted networked drives served by a router). On my other MBP, networked drives periodically disconnect. They just drop off. Never had any of these problems with 10.8.
The only good thing about Mavericks is the independent displays, and even then there's some wonky behaviour if you are rotating the secondary display.
I'm incredibly disappointed in Mavericks. But I have hope. iOS 7 was awful for 7.0.1 and 7.0.2, and then 7.0.3 fixed *some* of the issues (although many still remain, mainly how webapps are handled and HTML5 implementation issues.)
/sits back and waits for the fanboys to accuse me of being a hater
I agree. I'm a 100% apple fan, so I'm not saying you're not or anything. The problem is they rushed both updates. Their primary focus was iOS 7 on the iPhone. When they got the main part of that working they started porting to the iPad, then they began on mavericks. That's why there are sooo many bugs. One, i dont know how the developers who tested it missed these bugs because they weren't reported to apple obviously, and two, that's why they have many many version numbers left for the updates. They'll fix it all. They're finally just catching up I bet.
<div class="quote-container" data-huddler-embed="/t/160532/traffic-from-os-x-10-10-growing-as-apple-preps-mavericks-follow-up/80#post_2429787" data-huddler-embed-placeholder="false"><span>Quote:</span><div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Tallest Skil</strong> <a href="/t/160532/traffic-from-os-x-10-10-growing-as-apple-preps-mavericks-follow-up/80#post_2429787"><img src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" class="inlineimg" alt="View Post"/></a><br/><br/><p> </p><p>Where’s the evidence of that? Of course they’re going to do one. If they weren’t, they wouldn’t be <u><em><strong>reducing usability</strong></em></u> of their cursor OS by continuing to style it after their touchscreen OS. They wouldn’t be making UI elements larger, they wouldn’t be adding gestures… </p><p> </p><p>They’re going to do it right; just trust them. People didn’t figure the mouse would work, either.</p><p> </p><p>Since when has Apple been about “just fine”?</p></div></div><p> </p>
I think Apple mentioned that will not be coming out with a multi-touch screen OS for desktops/laptops solely due to not being ergonomic. That when Microsoft came out with Metro UI for Windows 7.
Yeah at the snow leopard keynote they said they wouldn't be making touch screen Macs
Exactly. Eventually Apple won’t sell laptops at all, just tablets and multitouch desktops.
Maybe, but I haven't seen any trends that would pull millions of sales per quarter off the shelves. I certainly have no desire to not have a notebook.
Jobs said PCs would be trucks and I believe that will include notebooks for the foreseeable future. Call them the cargo vans to the desktop workstation's Class-A semi truck.
<div class="quote-container" data-huddler-embed="/t/160532/traffic-from-os-x-10-10-growing-as-apple-preps-mavericks-follow-up/80#post_2429787" data-huddler-embed-placeholder="false"><span>Quote:</span><div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Tallest Skil</strong> <a href="/t/160532/traffic-from-os-x-10-10-growing-as-apple-preps-mavericks-follow-up/80#post_2429787"><img src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" class="inlineimg" alt="View Post"/></a><br/><br/><p> </p><p>Where’s the evidence of that? Of course they’re going to do one. If they weren’t, they wouldn’t be <u><em><strong>reducing usability</strong></em></u> of their cursor OS by continuing to style it after their touchscreen OS. They wouldn’t be making UI elements larger, they wouldn’t be adding gestures… </p><p> </p><p>They’re going to do it right; just trust them. People didn’t figure the mouse would work, either.</p><p> </p><p>Since when has Apple been about “just fine”?</p></div></div><p> </p>
I think Apple mentioned that will not be coming out with a multi-touch screen OS for desktops/laptops solely due to not being ergonomic. That when Microsoft came out with Metro UI for Windows 7.
I think you're fairly accurate in what you remember. Looks like at the 2010 MacBook Air intro these were Steve Jobs comments on laptop/desktop touchscreens:
“We’ve done tons of user testing on this,” Steve Jobs said in Wednesday’s press conference, “and it turns out it doesn't work. Touch surfaces don’t want to be vertical. It gives great demo, but after a short period of time you start to fatigue, and after an extended period of time, your arm wants to fall off.” http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/10/gorilla-arm-multitouch/
If you can find the podcast of the event I think you'll hear the comments at around the 1:57 mark.
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What the fuçk is wrong with people? These aren't decimal fractions they are version numbers. You should realize that because it's not just 10.9 or 10.10, but 10.9.3 or 10.10.7.4. Since when are there multiple points used with decimal notation? Each value between the period is a whole number that is stepped like when you do an outline in Word or Pages. For fuçk's sake!
What the fuçk is wrong with people? These aren't decimal fractions they are version numbers. You should realize that because it's not just 10.9 or 10.10, but 10.9.3 or 10.10.7.4. Since when are there multiple points used with decimal notation? Each value between the period is a whole number that is stepped like when you do an outline in Word or Pages. For fuçk's sake!
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If they had adopted the current naming convention a couple of years earlier it would have been nice to have seen Lion called Cupertino instead, in honor of 25 years of the Macintosh.
On reflection there was a 20th anniversary Mac (presumably for 20 years of Apple), but no 25th anniversary machine.
What a 25 years it has been, albeit 12 to 15 years of OS X depending on where you draw the line.
Mavericks makes it a joy to use a Mac, not that it's ever been arduous.
As for those who bleat on about how it must be OS 11 and not OS 10 because of the 10.10 notation,
I wonder what you'll make of the fact that several countries use the comma as the radix point (the decimal mark) and not a full stop.
In any case, as many have pointed out here, in the context of OS X versions, the 10.8.3 or 10.0.0 notation is not representative of a mathematical number, nor is there any rule that Apple, or indeed anybody else should label operating system versions with a precise mathematical sequence.
11 is the multitouch desktop OS. We’re not there yet.
What the fuçk is wrong with people? These aren't decimal fractions they are version numbers. You should realize that because it's not just 10.9 or 10.10, but 10.9.3 or 10.10.7.4. Since when are there multiple points used with decimal notation? Each value between the period is a whole number that is stepped like when you do an outline in Word or Pages. For fuçk's sake!
Brain damage, apparently.
As to names, I really like Sierra, as someone else mentioned. But it's CA: Obviously, they have lots of choices.
I can't quite imagine the improvements to be made over Mavericks, but that's probably why I don't work for Apple.
Brain damage, apparently.
As to names, I really like Sierra, as someone else mentioned. But it's CA: Obviously, they have lots of choices.
I can't quite imagine the improvements to be made over Mavericks, but that's probably why I don't work for Apple.
What do you mean you can't quite imagine the improvements to be made over Mavericks? Are you saying that Mavericks can't be improved upon other than cleaning up whatever bugs and security issues that might be found?
Every OS and application can be improved upon. As time progresses they gather the feedback from users, they look at other techniques to optimize their OS, etc. as hardware changes come out and other techniques emerge to squeeze out a little better performance, maybe some minor tweaks to the workflow, etc. I think OS X is due for a difference in the theme, I think that might be an upcoming change that will be more visual than it would be technical based. But Apple seems to come up with 200+ new features (visible or underneath the hood) to make improvements.
11 is the multitouch desktop OS. We’re not there yet.
I don't think Apple is going to do a multi-touch screen desktop OS. I think they are correct in avoiding it. If my iMac had a touch screen, I'd probably use it like never. From where I sit, I would have to lean over just to touch my screen in the middle and all four corners. It would cause a lot of big arm movements and eventually shoulder strain. That's a big pass. Sorry, I think that OS X is just going to get improvements that are visual and some that are just speed/optimization and adapting to new hardware each year.
I just don't see a touch screen version other than iOS.
The only REAL need for a touch screen is for a presenter that wants to manipulate the OS when on a BIG screen kind of like how they do it in these movies we see. We've probably have seen them used where they are in a police station or something like that and they have a big panel where they have people touching the screen. But I don't know if the masses are going to really do that. There might some specific needs here and there, but I don't think it's a big market to worry about for now.
I can certainly get around on a 27 inch screen just fine using a gesture mouse and track pad.
I'll go out on a limb and predict a new file system for 10.10. Which has been under development since the ZFS let down. And it will blow everything else out of the water.
I'll go out on a limb and predict a new file system for 10.10. Which has been under development since the ZFS let down. And it will blow everything else out of the water.
Yeah, I would probably agree that it's time for that to happen, hopefully they will. Changing file system is a big undertaking in design and testing to come up with something that does what they want, plus how it would affect every app developer.
Where’s the evidence of that? Of course they’re going to do one. If they weren’t, they wouldn’t be reducing usability of their cursor OS by continuing to style it after their touchscreen OS. They wouldn’t be making UI elements larger, they wouldn’t be adding gestures…
They’re going to do it right; just trust them. People didn’t figure the mouse would work, either.
I can certainly get around on a 27 inch screen just fine using a gesture mouse and track pad.
Since when has Apple been about “just fine”?
Where’s the evidence of that? Of course they’re going to do one. If they weren’t, they wouldn’t be reducing usability of their cursor OS by continuing to style it after their touchscreen OS. They wouldn’t be making UI elements larger, they wouldn’t be adding gestures…
They’re going to do it right; just trust them. People didn’t figure the mouse would work, either.
Since when has Apple been about “just fine”?
I think Apple mentioned that will not be coming out with a multi-touch screen OS for desktops/laptops solely due to not being ergonomic. That when Microsoft came out with Metro UI for Windows 7.I think Apple mentioned that will not be coming out with a multi-touch screen OS for desktops/laptops solely due to not being ergonomic.
Nope. I remember that one. I don’t remember the date or what was being announced, but I remember the graphic and the bit about it.
Apple was talking about hardware only. They said they weren’t going to make a hybrid laptop–one with a touchscreen–for, as you said, ergonomics. They may have mentioned the same for desktops.
The point is, Apple isn’t going to be making vertical screens! That’s what they were saying: vertical screens are horrible, always, unless you’re waiting in line at an amusement park or communist bread line.
Nope. I remember that one. I don’t remember the date or what was being announced, but I remember the graphic and the bit about it.
Apple was talking about hardware only. They said they weren’t going to make a hybrid laptop–one with a touchscreen–for, as you said, ergonomics. They may have mentioned the same for desktops.
The point is, Apple isn’t going to be making vertical screens! That’s what they were saying: vertical screens are horrible, always, unless you’re waiting in line at an amusement park or communist bread line.
I read that they won't be coming out with a touchscreen based desktop/laptops. I think that also rules monitors.I personally think iPads will eventually get bigger to a certain point where there is a limit. I think that limit MIGHT be the same size as a screen on a 15inch laptop, somewhere in that neighborhood, but I'd have to play with it and I think games is where it would either be playable or not at that screen size. But they have to make them have long battery life, but the weight has to be 1.5 lb or less and they have to be thin as well and of course priced to be sellable. I don't know if they can do that, yet.
I think they already did it right… and it's called the iPad.
Exactly. Eventually Apple won’t sell laptops at all, just tablets and multitouch desktops.
Maybe, but I haven't seen any trends that would pull millions of sales per quarter off the shelves. I certainly have no desire to not have a notebook.
Jobs said PCs would be trucks and I believe that will include notebooks for the foreseeable future. Call them the cargo vans to the desktop workstation's Class-A semi truck.
I think you're fairly accurate in what you remember. Looks like at the 2010 MacBook Air intro these were Steve Jobs comments on laptop/desktop touchscreens:
“We’ve done tons of user testing on this,” Steve Jobs said in Wednesday’s press conference, “and it turns out it doesn't work. Touch surfaces don’t want to be vertical. It gives great demo, but after a short period of time you start to fatigue, and after an extended period of time, your arm wants to fall off.”
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/10/gorilla-arm-multitouch/
If you can find the podcast of the event I think you'll hear the comments at around the 1:57 mark.