. . .Apple will always hold back the latest-and-greatest for next years device, whatever that is. . . .
This is one of the hollowest memes in the trollbook.
Apple holds back the new technology until it can be integrated into the rest of the device, into the software, and into the ecosystem. Sometimes they push it and make compromises, like with the apps for the iPhone 4, or the weight and thickness on the iPad 3.
Give us one example of them holding back new tech so they can upsell the next year. Every one you think of will be shot down by the need to integrate.
How is this news? Samsung is just waiting until the technology is flawless before they release it to the masses. It's in their nature to only release things once they're just right, unlike some other companies who just rush out half-baked technologies in order to say they're first.
How exactly is ARMv8 a half-baked technology being rushed out? ARMv8 was announced 2 years ago and reference cores were released a year ago. The A7 using ARMv8 is basically the opposite of the crap that Samsung shovels out like S-Voice, S-this, S-that, and S-other.
Sigh, yes, except I really wanted the speed of LTE I'd still have my 4s: loved that phone. Great feel and design.
A guy I work with just got the Nexus 5. It actually isn't a bad looking phone, seems smooth and fast. But I guess that's the advantage to not being bogged down with all the skins the other manufacturers put on their Android phones.
How exactly is ARMv8 a half-baked technology being rushed out? ARMv8 was announced 2 years ago and reference cores were released a year ago. The A7 using ARMv8 is basically the opposite of the crap that Samsung shovels out like S-Voice, S-this, S-that, and S-other.
Jokes are defined by being funny, no? And, no, I got your attempt at a joke. It just completely failed and missed the mark. The A7 is not half-baked nor rushed and hence your "joke" basically falls flat.
Kind of makes you wonder why they didn't think of auto-layout in iOS 1 doesn't it?
Seems a bit of a shame to me that Apple has lost the entire Phablet market plus all of the market for people who want phones > 4".
It's not like Samsung has gained hugely because of this little oversight, or that many people actually buy non-Apple phones > 4"; actually I'm pretty sure that every other manufacturer's flagship phone is ". And it's not like much of Apple's profits are tied up with the iPhone either..so no reason to rush...hell if we get a 4.5" screen in 2015, that's good enough for me.
How can someone lose a game they weren't even playing in?
Kind of makes you wonder why they didn't think of auto-layout in iOS 1 doesn't it?
Seems a bit of a shame to me that Apple has lost the entire Phablet market plus all of the market for people who want phones > 4". . . .
And you're not seeing the hardware as an integrated system either. Was it Ive or Schiller that said they've been working on the iPad Air for years? What that meant was that Apple isn't going to make a larger high-density screen until they can do it without the trade-offs, and that means they were working to get the 64-bit A7 done, and almost certainly in my opinion the IGZO backplane that Soniera was talking about.
While they're pouring billions into display and processor development, they don't have any business tossing out half-assed interim bigger screen sops to the crowd that doesn't care about anything but eye candy.
Market for so-called premium Android phones will freeze, not just cool down next year with arrival of larger screen iPhone.
The market for larger phones is already dead. Think about it, how many normal people want to slip a device that big into their pocket and carry it around all day.
Now that isn't to say that a limited market doesn't exist, just don't expect Apple to have a run away hit if they ever introduce such an iPhone. These massive phones are niche market devices after the trendy appeal wears off.
So DeD head is hinting Apple copied those elements from Samsung then. They have been on show before anyone saw any aspects of iOS 7.
The Note III doesn't have 64bit architecture and it's no slouch in performance terms. It's GPU outperforms the 5s according to Anandtech. But seriously, the performance of all the high end phones is so impressive that arguing which one is a few percent better in specs or performance is willy waving.
it slightly outperforms the 5s in GPU performance. But did you factor in the Shamesung doping yet?
The market for larger phones is already dead. Think about it, how many normal people want to slip a device that big into their pocket and carry it around all day.
Now that isn't to say that a limited market doesn't exist, just don't expect Apple to have a run away hit if they ever introduce such an iPhone. These massive phones are niche market devices after the trendy appeal wears off.
Yeah, I know what you mean. These trendy kids keep wanting to use their phones to play games, surf the web and view images; heck I've even heard that some of them watch videos! If only they would stick to using a phone for what its meant to be used for, talking and texting! I think this trend is already dying, I saw a guy using his phone to talk to someone just last week!
Yeah, I know what you mean. These trendy kids keep wanting to use their phones to play games, surf the web and view images; heck I've even heard that some of them watch videos! If only they would stick to using a phone for what its meant to be used for, talking and texting! I think this trend is already dying, I saw a guy using his phone to talk to someone just last week!
I think the market for large phones basically has evolved into one addressing the needs of people who cannot afford computers... cheap, crappy computers.
I actually think smartphone SOCs have hit their 'Core 2 Duo' moment - where performance across the board (A7 vs S800) is good enough to do pretty much everything and there is strong diminishing returns from a everyday usability POV. Sure benchmarks and a few games might see a difference, but it stops making a difference to the mainstream. I don't think anyone using a flagship 2H 2013 phone feels their phone could use more power.
I'm being reserved here in calling the above baloney. First the idea that Core 2 Duo was good enough for most users is to totally bogus. In cell phones though A7 is basically just getting to the point of passable performance. We have a very long ways to go before cell phone performance (in every way you can measure performance) is good enough.
Advancing everyday use is what everyone is holding their breath for - and why wearables are getting so much attention even though they haven't proven anything. What's the next big step forward? It's certainly not Google Glass or the Galaxy Gear in their current iterations.
I still don't see the attraction in wearables. Frankly I'm not sure what they can come up with that would have the appeal to drive me to wear such. Watches don't appeal to me at all, and honestly I have a very negative opinion of men that wear jewelry.
The most interesting item from the investor call was foldable displays in 2015. Conceptually I kind of like the idea of having a 5" smartphone while on the go and then be able to unfold it to a 2X size tablet display when I'm seated.
Foldable displays would indeed be interesting to say the very least. Why stop at 2X though? I do have one concern though, that is durability. The one nice thing about iPad is that it is durable.
Seeing how thin the screens are - this could be kind of cool. Unfortunately all the prototypes shown were closed to the press.
I'm certain Apple has a few such machines available behind closed doors already. Even a fold up iPad would be huge. In fact I'd be willing to state right now that a fold up iPad would be a bigger hit than any cell phone fold up.
Kind of makes you wonder why they didn't think of auto-layout in iOS 1 doesn't it?
I'd be surprised if Apple didn't think about auto-layout from the very beginning, but to do it well requires a lot of effort and time. Aside from the patent filings, Apple had first-mover advantage in 2007. Without prior knowledge of what consumers would want, Apple clearly had in mind two form factors: 3.5" iPhone and ~10" iPad, so why slow down the works by trying to solve problems you don't know you've got? IMHO no company has managed so many major technological transitions so well as Apple (including Motorola-to-PowerPC, Mac OS 9 to X, PowerPC-to-X86, and X86-to-X64), which includes bringing dedicated developers along for the ride of their lives. Apple will get everyone over this next hurdle just fine, too.
UHD resolutions, 20megapixel, and also phablets are the interest of investors seeking more and more revenue based on gimmicky features that insert a phone in to a separate market. These features do not necessarily provide better quality, usability, or functionality.
Au contraire, it's easy to justify. The envy of every other manufacturer is the breadth and depth of apps that iOS has. Apple can (and did) double the resolution without jeopardizing compatibility of all those apps, but any non-integral change will currently cause problems. That's where auto-layout in iOS7 will make the change to a larger display possible and profitable. It's a win for developers, too.
It is very important to understand the above, Apple has a plan! Frankly they have been guiding developers for years not to assume resolution nor screen sizes. Auto-layout is just one more piece of the puzzle that should allow Apple to release a new iPhone size and still have a large number of apps available that play nice on the new screens. Of course this doesn't solve any issues associated with apps that use bit maps.
In any event apple has been prepping the battle field here. The iOS world will now become very interesting as all sorts of devices can be released to leverage the OS.
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This is one of the hollowest memes in the trollbook.
Apple holds back the new technology until it can be integrated into the rest of the device, into the software, and into the ecosystem. Sometimes they push it and make compromises, like with the apps for the iPhone 4, or the weight and thickness on the iPad 3.
Give us one example of them holding back new tech so they can upsell the next year. Every one you think of will be shot down by the need to integrate.
How is this news? Samsung is just waiting until the technology is flawless before they release it to the masses. It's in their nature to only release things once they're just right, unlike some other companies who just rush out half-baked technologies in order to say they're first.
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Sorry, I couldn't say it with a straight face.
How exactly is ARMv8 a half-baked technology being rushed out? ARMv8 was announced 2 years ago and reference cores were released a year ago. The A7 using ARMv8 is basically the opposite of the crap that Samsung shovels out like S-Voice, S-this, S-that, and S-other.
A guy I work with just got the Nexus 5. It actually isn't a bad looking phone, seems smooth and fast. But I guess that's the advantage to not being bogged down with all the skins the other manufacturers put on their Android phones.
How exactly is ARMv8 a half-baked technology being rushed out? ARMv8 was announced 2 years ago and reference cores were released a year ago. The A7 using ARMv8 is basically the opposite of the crap that Samsung shovels out like S-Voice, S-this, S-that, and S-other.
Way to completely miss the joke.
Way to completely miss the joke.
Jokes are defined by being funny, no? And, no, I got your attempt at a joke. It just completely failed and missed the mark. The A7 is not half-baked nor rushed and hence your "joke" basically falls flat.
How can someone lose a game they weren't even playing in?
sarcasm right?
heh of course
And you're not seeing the hardware as an integrated system either. Was it Ive or Schiller that said they've been working on the iPad Air for years? What that meant was that Apple isn't going to make a larger high-density screen until they can do it without the trade-offs, and that means they were working to get the 64-bit A7 done, and almost certainly in my opinion the IGZO backplane that Soniera was talking about.
While they're pouring billions into display and processor development, they don't have any business tossing out half-assed interim bigger screen sops to the crowd that doesn't care about anything but eye candy.
The market for larger phones is already dead. Think about it, how many normal people want to slip a device that big into their pocket and carry it around all day.
Now that isn't to say that a limited market doesn't exist, just don't expect Apple to have a run away hit if they ever introduce such an iPhone. These massive phones are niche market devices after the trendy appeal wears off.
How can someone lose a game they weren't even playing in?
Please don't ever try and run a company.
In that case Apple lost the feature phone race, the appliance race, the tablet-PC hybrid race, the mega phablets race, the tiny screen race, etc...
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So DeD head is hinting Apple copied those elements from Samsung then. They have been on show before anyone saw any aspects of iOS 7.
The Note III doesn't have 64bit architecture and it's no slouch in performance terms. It's GPU outperforms the 5s according to Anandtech. But seriously, the performance of all the high end phones is so impressive that arguing which one is a few percent better in specs or performance is willy waving.
it slightly outperforms the 5s in GPU performance. But did you factor in the Shamesung doping yet?
The market for larger phones is already dead. Think about it, how many normal people want to slip a device that big into their pocket and carry it around all day.
Now that isn't to say that a limited market doesn't exist, just don't expect Apple to have a run away hit if they ever introduce such an iPhone. These massive phones are niche market devices after the trendy appeal wears off.
Yeah, I know what you mean. These trendy kids keep wanting to use their phones to play games, surf the web and view images; heck I've even heard that some of them watch videos! If only they would stick to using a phone for what its meant to be used for, talking and texting! I think this trend is already dying, I saw a guy using his phone to talk to someone just last week!
Yeah, I know what you mean. These trendy kids keep wanting to use their phones to play games, surf the web and view images; heck I've even heard that some of them watch videos! If only they would stick to using a phone for what its meant to be used for, talking and texting! I think this trend is already dying, I saw a guy using his phone to talk to someone just last week!
I think the market for large phones basically has evolved into one addressing the needs of people who cannot afford computers... cheap, crappy computers.
I'm certain Apple has a few such machines available behind closed doors already. Even a fold up iPad would be huge. In fact I'd be willing to state right now that a fold up iPad would be a bigger hit than any cell phone fold up.
Kind of makes you wonder why they didn't think of auto-layout in iOS 1 doesn't it?
I'd be surprised if Apple didn't think about auto-layout from the very beginning, but to do it well requires a lot of effort and time. Aside from the patent filings, Apple had first-mover advantage in 2007. Without prior knowledge of what consumers would want, Apple clearly had in mind two form factors: 3.5" iPhone and ~10" iPad, so why slow down the works by trying to solve problems you don't know you've got? IMHO no company has managed so many major technological transitions so well as Apple (including Motorola-to-PowerPC, Mac OS 9 to X, PowerPC-to-X86, and X86-to-X64), which includes bringing dedicated developers along for the ride of their lives. Apple will get everyone over this next hurdle just fine, too.
The A7 is not half-baked nor rushed and hence your "joke" basically falls flat.
Yup, you totally missed the joke. No worries though, I agree that the A7 is not half-baked or rushed.
In any event apple has been prepping the battle field here. The iOS world will now become very interesting as all sorts of devices can be released to leverage the OS.