Out of curiosity, what would you think of a company that sold you things AND sold you?
I live in reality. That describes all companies. However, the ones with no other revenue model other than selling my personal information are not very interesting to me.
I used Apple Maps probably twice in the last year, both times I found the features sparse. So after this article I fired it up, looks really nice on the iPad Air but is still missing public transportation like bus lines and trains. A feature I use quite a bit when traveling. You just click on the little bus icon and it gives the times or you can search. Now that I have a Nokia 1020, Nokia Maps is defiantly the better of the three, transit, traffic, good restaurants connected to Yelp, best turn by turn NAV I have ever seen yet on a map program, places of interest around you, the app is also connected to your photo library so you can see where all of your photos were taken, you can add favorite places marked by thumb pins and shows your photos if you have any. Which is cool if you want a friend to take a certain route and see some of the sites, your friend will be able to see your photos as well and he can even add his own? I know there are apps for 360 moveable photos but the Nokia comes with a app and it is fantastic for this purpose. The list of features goes on but the question is, is Apple Maps just limited because I live in Switzerland. What do you guys see in America?
The only one I'm aware of is iAds, and it's a (somewhat) clear opt-out for users. Are there other examples? It's definitely not a significant revenue stream for them, especially when compared to Google where it's pretty much the only revenue stream.
You can opt-out of receiving targeted ads tho it's hardly made obvious and Apple's default is targeted ads anyway which most users won't ever change "just because". How do you opt-out of user data collection in the first place, or opt-out of Apple using it for whatever purpose they deem important as long as it's not shared outside of Apple in a personally identifiable form? For that matter how do you find out what Apple has stored about you?
As far as I can tell both Apple and Google treat personal and non-personal information in the same way, tho Google is more transparent about it. Do you have something that shows otherwise?
That's the way I see it too. Google was going to be dumped at some point no matter how much they cow-towed to Apple.
Kow-towed?
Like saying. Oh sorry, we forgot to give your iOS users turn-by-turn, and Of course, sorry, we won't track your users anymore and compile their search histories so we can sell them out to our advertisers. That kind of kow-towing?
I live in reality. That describes all companies. However, the ones with no other revenue model other than selling my personal information are not very interesting to me.
At first you said Apple doesn't sell personal info, but I'm glad to see you came around to admit that they do. It's a common misnomer around these parts that they don't.
Like saying. Oh sorry, we forgot to give your iOS users turn-by-turn, and Of course, sorry, we won't track your users anymore and compile their search histories so we can sell them out to our advertisers. That kind of kow-towing?
No, like "sorry Mr Jobs, we'll dump Android altogether and do whatever you want". Would that have really changed Apple's policy of controlling their platform as tightly as possible and everything on it? If not then Google was going to be slowly pushed out anyway no matter what they did as they would be just another variable that Apple couldn't totally control. The only thing that's happened is perhaps Google's moves sped up the process. But it was still going to happen.
There are few long term partners of Apple and IMHO the ones that stick around for awhile are there are only because Apple hasn't yet found a profitable/practical way to replace them with something brewed in-house. There's nothing wrong with that either.
No, like "sorry Mr Jobs, we'll dump Android altogether and do whatever you want". Would that have really changed Apple's policy of controlling their platform as tightly as possible and everything on it? If not then Google was going to be slowly pushed out anyway no matter what they did as they would be just another variable that Apple couldn't totally control. The only thing that's happened is perhaps Google's moves sped up the process. But it was still going to happen.
There are few long term partners of Apple and IMHO the ones that stick around for awhile are there are only because Apple hasn't yet found a profitable/practical way to replace them with something brewed in-house. There's nothing wrong with that either.
Hey Gatorguy,
Based on your previous history of liking to provide references, links, and various other sources of information I was wondering, in the interest of 'bringing the truth' if you could be so kind to assist?
I'd like at least five links referencing Google's treatment of Apple users in the past (when they were attempting to monetize their own platform) by dragging their heels, rationing updates, and withholding features that they had no issues providing to users of the Android operating system.
Then go find a few philosophy quotes on the importance of 'not pissing in your own pool' when it comes to one of your biggest customers.
Based on your previous history of liking to provide references, links, and various other sources of information I was wondering, in the interest of 'bringing the truth' if you could be so kind to assist?
I'd like at least five links referencing Google's treatment of Apple users in the past (when they were attempting to monetize their own platform) by dragging their heels, rationing updates, and withholding features that they had no issues providing to users of the Android operating system.
Then go find a few philosophy quotes on the importance of 'not pissing in your own pool' when it comes to one of your biggest customers.
Thanks in advance.
I'm not aware of any reliable sources supporting assertions that Google chose to "drag it's heels" or "ration updates" to Apple users, tho it's not hard to find opinions on either side. If ya got some links proving who dunnit feel free to share 'em tho.
Philosophy seems more your style than mine tho I've heard there's quotes for every occasion. So whatever your viewpoint there's probably something out there that serves your purpose. If not your're a witty guy so I'm sure you can come up with something that's good for a funny distraction if nothing else.:)
It's not really about profit. It's about controlling the experience, being masters of their own fate, and not relying on their biggest competitor for one of their most important apps. Now that Apple has maps in house, the possibilities of how they can extend and expand it within its own ecosystem are endless. If they stayed with Google, there would have so many political, and technical obstacles to doing what they really wanted to do and having deep integration with their own services. They had no choice.
Exactly. Apple learned from Microsoft in the 80s.
Office on Macs became more and more a second tier product relative to the PC versions until Macs just wasn't a viable option for people using Office heavily.
Apple just had enough of Google Maps getting better on Android while lagging on iOS.
In my area at least, Apple's maps have been significantly more accurate than Google from day one. It doesn't even cross my mind to use Google anymore.
What accuracy are you referring to, just popping up an address on a map or actually getting there? Far more often, Apple's maps sends me in circles with less efficient routes compared to Google Maps.
You generally aren’t, when they don’t support your view, despite them being widely available.
Would you like the link...?
Yes I'd love your link proving Google chose to "drag their heels".
I'd also love your proof that I don't provide links on request for everything I treat as factual and not opinion. You should try it for yourself too by the way. You'll likely be amazed (or maybe not) when you go looking for evidence to support the things you thought were true but probably aren't in hindsight.
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Out of curiosity, what would you think of a company that sold you things AND sold you?
I live in reality. That describes all companies. However, the ones with no other revenue model other than selling my personal information are not very interesting to me.
I used Apple Maps probably twice in the last year, both times I found the features sparse. So after this article I fired it up, looks really nice on the iPad Air but is still missing public transportation like bus lines and trains. A feature I use quite a bit when traveling. You just click on the little bus icon and it gives the times or you can search. Now that I have a Nokia 1020, Nokia Maps is defiantly the better of the three, transit, traffic, good restaurants connected to Yelp, best turn by turn NAV I have ever seen yet on a map program, places of interest around you, the app is also connected to your photo library so you can see where all of your photos were taken, you can add favorite places marked by thumb pins and shows your photos if you have any. Which is cool if you want a friend to take a certain route and see some of the sites, your friend will be able to see your photos as well and he can even add his own? I know there are apps for 360 moveable photos but the Nokia comes with a app and it is fantastic for this purpose. The list of features goes on but the question is, is Apple Maps just limited because I live in Switzerland. What do you guys see in America?
You can opt-out of receiving targeted ads tho it's hardly made obvious and Apple's default is targeted ads anyway which most users won't ever change "just because". How do you opt-out of user data collection in the first place, or opt-out of Apple using it for whatever purpose they deem important as long as it's not shared outside of Apple in a personally identifiable form? For that matter how do you find out what Apple has stored about you?
As far as I can tell both Apple and Google treat personal and non-personal information in the same way, tho Google is more transparent about it. Do you have something that shows otherwise?
Kow-towed?
Like saying. Oh sorry, we forgot to give your iOS users turn-by-turn, and Of course, sorry, we won't track your users anymore and compile their search histories so we can sell them out to our advertisers. That kind of kow-towing?
I live in reality. That describes all companies. However, the ones with no other revenue model other than selling my personal information are not very interesting to me.
At first you said Apple doesn't sell personal info, but I'm glad to see you came around to admit that they do. It's a common misnomer around these parts that they don't.
I rarely use maps but not once have I used Google Maps since the switch was made in iOS. Apple's mapping solution works great for me.
No, like "sorry Mr Jobs, we'll dump Android altogether and do whatever you want". Would that have really changed Apple's policy of controlling their platform as tightly as possible and everything on it? If not then Google was going to be slowly pushed out anyway no matter what they did as they would be just another variable that Apple couldn't totally control. The only thing that's happened is perhaps Google's moves sped up the process. But it was still going to happen.
There are few long term partners of Apple and IMHO the ones that stick around for awhile are there are only because Apple hasn't yet found a profitable/practical way to replace them with something brewed in-house. There's nothing wrong with that either.
Hey Gatorguy,
Based on your previous history of liking to provide references, links, and various other sources of information I was wondering, in the interest of 'bringing the truth' if you could be so kind to assist?
I'd like at least five links referencing Google's treatment of Apple users in the past (when they were attempting to monetize their own platform) by dragging their heels, rationing updates, and withholding features that they had no issues providing to users of the Android operating system.
Then go find a few philosophy quotes on the importance of 'not pissing in your own pool' when it comes to one of your biggest customers.
Thanks in advance.
I'm not aware of any reliable sources supporting assertions that Google chose to "drag it's heels" or "ration updates" to Apple users, tho it's not hard to find opinions on either side. If ya got some links proving who dunnit feel free to share 'em tho.
Philosophy seems more your style than mine tho I've heard there's quotes for every occasion. So whatever your viewpoint there's probably something out there that serves your purpose. If not your're a witty guy so I'm sure you can come up with something that's good for a funny distraction if nothing else.:)
It's not really about profit. It's about controlling the experience, being masters of their own fate, and not relying on their biggest competitor for one of their most important apps. Now that Apple has maps in house, the possibilities of how they can extend and expand it within its own ecosystem are endless. If they stayed with Google, there would have so many political, and technical obstacles to doing what they really wanted to do and having deep integration with their own services. They had no choice.
Exactly. Apple learned from Microsoft in the 80s.
Office on Macs became more and more a second tier product relative to the PC versions until Macs just wasn't a viable option for people using Office heavily.
Apple just had enough of Google Maps getting better on Android while lagging on iOS.
I'm not aware of any reliable sources supporting assertions...
You generally aren’t, when they don’t support your view, despite them being widely available.
Would you like the link for our ability to remember?
I can't use Apple Maps where I live. The sattellite images are just bad
And the vector mapping, which is what really matters? How’s that?
In my area at least, Apple's maps have been significantly more accurate than Google from day one. It doesn't even cross my mind to use Google anymore.
What accuracy are you referring to, just popping up an address on a map or actually getting there? Far more often, Apple's maps sends me in circles with less efficient routes compared to Google Maps.
Its only a matter of time that Apple switches out Google search.
It's only a matter of time before Apple offers their own search engine.
Yes I'd love your link proving Google chose to "drag their heels".
I'd also love your proof that I don't provide links on request for everything I treat as factual and not opinion. You should try it for yourself too by the way. You'll likely be amazed (or maybe not) when you go looking for evidence to support the things you thought were true but probably aren't in hindsight.
Yes I'd love your link proving Google chose to "drag their heels".
I'd also love your proof that I don't provide links on request for everything I treat as factual and not opinion.
Why provide links?
You think I’m silly enough to believe that you’re capable of not being ‘Googleguy”?
Try it and see for yourself.
Here's to a world without google...
I don't know you personally. There's probably some members who think you do OK here but in person I have no idea how silly you can be.
Why provide links?
Because you offered too? :shrug: