The same study also shows apple now is behind windows phone in many Europe countries...
You should replace Windows with Nokia. Nokia has the name in Europe... not Windows phones.
Here in Germany, I would "guess-tulate" that at one time it was about 80% Nokia vs. 20% Other before the iPhone. In fact, those that haven't upgraded to a Smartphone running iOS or Android are still mostly using the candy bar Nokias.
I recently set up one of my customers with the Nokia 925... he still hates it after 3 weeks, and I believe we'll be moving him to an iPhone shortly.
His main reason: coming from an old feature-Nokia naturally has it's learning curve and there's very few people around he can ask if he needs help.
Some other observations (mine and his):
1) the OS is "chunky and clunky" regardless of it's flat look and usage of fine fonts and typography. Big useless tiles, or incomplete little ones;
2) chopped-off monster headings that only take up space and look like there's something wrong with the phone half the time. Even after explaining to him that it's a visual clue that he can slide to the right for more info and functions... he still dislikes it. I have to agree.
3) the back-arrow is quite similar to Android, in that it "sometimes" does something different than you would expect from app to app. Same with the Home touch-button.
4) a lot of confusion as to what is an official app (for example Facebook) and what is just a tacky, wannabe and confusing Hack-n-App.
5) Music app mixing ads to buy music from within the app, rather than just showing your own music and playlists.
The phone itself is quite nice I must say, and the camera really is great. However, the whole time I was thinking to myself and hate to say it, "I wonder what this phone would be like with stock Android?". It's sad when a darn good manufacturer has to decide between 2 evils to put a device to market.
IMO: There's certainly demand for something different than Android (if you're opposed to iOS that is), and a lot of people thru out Europe are giving Nokia/Windows a fair trial. I just don't believe that in the long term that they will stick with Nokia... not due to the stellar hardware, but because Windows and it's App Store just aren't going to be up to the task and on the same playing field as iOS... or even Android.
While we can applaud Microsoft for not stealing iOS... some of the GUI stuff they are experimenting with is just plain stupid IMHO... historically as always.
If by free you mean you settled for last year's tech (and less future resale value) while getting locked into two years of paying a carrier's same inflated on-contract monthly prices and "saved" $6.25/mo ($150/24) for the privilege.....
[...And not attacking you, rather the whole model at the US "Big Two."]
Oh, no, LAST YEARS TECH!! How will his wife ever survive?
Seriously, some of you need to step out of your bubble. My dad is still happily on his iPhone 4, and I'd probably get him a 5C over a 5S, simply because he will not use touch ID, and the 5C is less fragile and does not need to be used with a case. Yes, you have a point about resale value, but not EVERY busying decision needs to be based on that, and the 5C, like all Apple products, will retain its value just fine.
"Almost half of [American] iPhone 5C owners switched from competitor brands, particularly Samsung and LG,"
How does that prove that "Half of Apple's iPhone 5c sales are to Android switchers"
I read it as suggesting that the half in question already owned phones that were not iPhones but that they could have been a mixture of Symbian, WM, WP, Android, etc.
Accordingly doesn't it follows that the remaining 50% were a combination of existing iPhone owners or people buying a phone for the first time?
Unfortunately, this article doesn't take into account how many iPhone owners are abandoning Apple in favor of Android devices. After the colossal, embarrassing failure that is iOS7, I'm willing to bet the numbers are far greater AGAINST Apple than FOR it.
Any sources for this little piece of information? You have 2 points to prove...Apple users switching to Android and iOS7 being a "colossal, embarrassing failure..."
If true that would be a positive... But where's the meat?
More fluffy supposition on a site notable for its Pollyanna spin on Apple? Or a glimmer of hope the 5C will float?
Wait for the quarterly earnings for the meat. The news isn't from Appleinsider, but from Kantar Worldpanel, who according to their website, "Is the world leader in consumer knowledge and insights based on continuous consumer panels."
Color these switchers stupid. Over a two year contract, the price difference between a 5c and a 5s works out to about a quarter a day, and that's money they're likely to get back when they sell an iPhone 5s. in 2015, the 5s will still be hot. The 5c will be a has-been.
As for how they got those income stats, when you get a cell phone, you give up a lot of information. Just your name and your address can be linked to find out a lot about you. An age, for instance, can be inferred from when someone first acquired a credit rating. For some information they may be linking directly all the nefarious little data collectors around. For other data they may just be looking at the neighborhood where they live. People earning $25,000 a year don't live in $4,000/month apartments.
I also wonder where the funding for this study came from. Did a department at Apple go a hunting for data that makes the decision to make the 5c look better? Maybe.
Unfortunately, this article doesn't take into account how many iPhone owners are abandoning Apple in favor of Android devices. After the colossal, embarrassing failure that is iOS7, I'm willing to bet the numbers are far greater AGAINST Apple than FOR it.
LOL. If you got numbers to back that up, bring it. Otherwise, it's just more FUD and wishful thinking.
As someone whom has used all platforms minus firefoxOS or ubuntus new OS, I have to say the look and feel of the hardware and the OS are what make iOS and iPhone to me the clear winner of them all. I really love the concept behind the windows phone, but the ecosystem is really
lacking. I used to own an iMac 24" from 2008 and it was the longest lasting computer my family has ever owned, and I have had waaay too
many laptops and PC's to mention. I took the turn full time to Apples products due to their better build quality, and longevity. I recently purchased a new iMac 21" and its even better than the 24" we used to own. With all that said, from a former MS fanboy I don't find it at all surprising that
many android users are switching. I used to own a Galaxy S III, and Nexus 4, both good phones that make me say meh! I still say my iPhone 5
and Nokia Lumia 925 were better than any android phone i have ever used. I have a 5s coming thanks to T-Mobiles jump program. For now I am
Actually, I lived in Dallas for four years. I'm not sure how those guys making about $2,000 a month could afford a $4,000 a month apartment, but I did have a garage apartment in pricey Highland Park for $17 month (essentially utilities). I did yard work and babysat in exchange for the rent I wasn't paying. And I used to know someone who lived in a one-bedroom apartment in Manhattan with three roommates. How she managed I never found out.
Where there's a will there's sometimes a way.
--Michael W. Perry, author of Untangling Tolkien (LOTR chronology)
Unfortunately, this article doesn't take into account how many iPhone owners are abandoning Apple in favor of Android devices. After the colossal, embarrassing failure that is iOS7, I'm willing to bet the numbers are far greater AGAINST Apple than FOR it.
Any sources for this little piece of information? You have 2 points to prove...Apple users "abandoning" their iPhone in favor of Android and iOS7 being a "colossal, embarrassing failure..."
To touch base on performance- I can't tell the difference in speed between my iPad 4 and iPad air, nor could I between my iPhone 5 and 5s. They feel exactly the same. I know benchmarks show differently- but in real-world usage (iPhoto/iMovie and Infinity Blade 3 are my most complicated apps)- The difference is nominal, if anything. This should bode well for those buying the 5c- as their performance will still be great- making their user experience enjoyable.
I pitted my iPhone 5 against a 5S and I saw very little difference in apps opening (note: didn't try large apps like Pages or Infinity Blade). I did notice that the 5S will turns on faster, which isn't a deciding factor for a device that would rarely ever be restarted. The one area that I saw a huge comparative gain in performance is apps closing down but I chock that up not to what Mike Ash said about the new Aarch-64 ISA.
Adding it all together, it's a pretty big win. My casual benchmarking indicates that basic object creation and destruction takes about 380ns on a 5S running in 32-bit mode, while it's only about 200ns when running in 64-bit mode. If any instance of the class has ever had a weak reference and an associated object set, the 32-bit time rises to about 480ns, while the 64-bit time remains around 200ns for any instances that were not themselves the target.
In short, the improvements to Apple's runtime make it so that object allocation in 64-bit mode costs only 40-50% of what it does in 32-bit mode. If your app creates and destroys a lot of objects, that's a big deal.
I also moved from the Pad 3 to a Retina iPad Mini and the iPad Mini feels so much faster than the iPad 3.
How are they arriving at this data? Did they survey people who bought a 5C? How else would they know age and income stats?
they talked to 5 people exiting a store and extrapolated the data to the entire cell phone buying public and declared a winner. Oh, they excluded any person which they believe were unable to make an informed buying decision.
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You should replace Windows with Nokia. Nokia has the name in Europe... not Windows phones.
Here in Germany, I would "guess-tulate" that at one time it was about 80% Nokia vs. 20% Other before the iPhone. In fact, those that haven't upgraded to a Smartphone running iOS or Android are still mostly using the candy bar Nokias.
I recently set up one of my customers with the Nokia 925... he still hates it after 3 weeks, and I believe we'll be moving him to an iPhone shortly.
His main reason: coming from an old feature-Nokia naturally has it's learning curve and there's very few people around he can ask if he needs help.
Some other observations (mine and his):
1) the OS is "chunky and clunky" regardless of it's flat look and usage of fine fonts and typography. Big useless tiles, or incomplete little ones;
2) chopped-off monster headings that only take up space and look like there's something wrong with the phone half the time. Even after explaining to him that it's a visual clue that he can slide to the right for more info and functions... he still dislikes it. I have to agree.
3) the back-arrow is quite similar to Android, in that it "sometimes" does something different than you would expect from app to app. Same with the Home touch-button.
4) a lot of confusion as to what is an official app (for example Facebook) and what is just a tacky, wannabe and confusing Hack-n-App.
5) Music app mixing ads to buy music from within the app, rather than just showing your own music and playlists.
The phone itself is quite nice I must say, and the camera really is great. However, the whole time I was thinking to myself and hate to say it, "I wonder what this phone would be like with stock Android?". It's sad when a darn good manufacturer has to decide between 2 evils to put a device to market.
IMO: There's certainly demand for something different than Android (if you're opposed to iOS that is), and a lot of people thru out Europe are giving Nokia/Windows a fair trial. I just don't believe that in the long term that they will stick with Nokia... not due to the stellar hardware, but because Windows and it's App Store just aren't going to be up to the task and on the same playing field as iOS... or even Android.
While we can applaud Microsoft for not stealing iOS... some of the GUI stuff they are experimenting with is just plain stupid IMHO... historically as always.
If by free you mean you settled for last year's tech (and less future resale value) while getting locked into two years of paying a carrier's same inflated on-contract monthly prices and "saved" $6.25/mo ($150/24) for the privilege.....
[...And not attacking you, rather the whole model at the US "Big Two."]
Oh, no, LAST YEARS TECH!! How will his wife ever survive?
Seriously, some of you need to step out of your bubble. My dad is still happily on his iPhone 4, and I'd probably get him a 5C over a 5S, simply because he will not use touch ID, and the 5C is less fragile and does not need to be used with a case. Yes, you have a point about resale value, but not EVERY busying decision needs to be based on that, and the 5C, like all Apple products, will retain its value just fine.
More fluffy supposition on a site notable for its Pollyanna spin on Apple? Or a glimmer of hope the 5C will float?
The link says
"Almost half of [American] iPhone 5C owners switched from competitor brands, particularly Samsung and LG,"
How does that prove that "Half of Apple's iPhone 5c sales are to Android switchers"
I read it as suggesting that the half in question already owned phones that were not iPhones but that they could have been a mixture of Symbian, WM, WP, Android, etc.
Accordingly doesn't it follows that the remaining 50% were a combination of existing iPhone owners or people buying a phone for the first time?
Or have I missed something.
Here, read the report.
http://www.kantarworldpanel.com/global/News/news-articles/Apple-iPhone-5S-outsells-5C-three-to-one-in-Great-Britain
Unfortunately, this article doesn't take into account how many iPhone owners are abandoning Apple in favor of Android devices. After the colossal, embarrassing failure that is iOS7, I'm willing to bet the numbers are far greater AGAINST Apple than FOR it.
Any sources for this little piece of information? You have 2 points to prove...Apple users switching to Android and iOS7 being a "colossal, embarrassing failure..."
If true that would be a positive... But where's the meat?
More fluffy supposition on a site notable for its Pollyanna spin on Apple? Or a glimmer of hope the 5C will float?
Wait for the quarterly earnings for the meat. The news isn't from Appleinsider, but from Kantar Worldpanel, who according to their website, "Is the world leader in consumer knowledge and insights based on continuous consumer panels."
Hey Eric, told ya so!
http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/160879/eric-schmidt-writes-a-guide-for-switching-from-iphone-to-android
As for how they got those income stats, when you get a cell phone, you give up a lot of information. Just your name and your address can be linked to find out a lot about you. An age, for instance, can be inferred from when someone first acquired a credit rating. For some information they may be linking directly all the nefarious little data collectors around. For other data they may just be looking at the neighborhood where they live. People earning $25,000 a year don't live in $4,000/month apartments.
I also wonder where the funding for this study came from. Did a department at Apple go a hunting for data that makes the decision to make the 5c look better? Maybe.
Too funny! And the first time I actually get to see a Google+ member, yay!
People earning $25,000 a year don't live in $4,000/month apartments.
You've obviously never been to Dallas... land of the $30k millionaire
LOL. If you got numbers to back that up, bring it. Otherwise, it's just more FUD and wishful thinking.
As someone whom has used all platforms minus firefoxOS or ubuntus new OS, I have to say the look and feel of the hardware and the OS are what make iOS and iPhone to me the clear winner of them all. I really love the concept behind the windows phone, but the ecosystem is really
lacking. I used to own an iMac 24" from 2008 and it was the longest lasting computer my family has ever owned, and I have had waaay too
many laptops and PC's to mention. I took the turn full time to Apples products due to their better build quality, and longevity. I recently purchased a new iMac 21" and its even better than the 24" we used to own. With all that said, from a former MS fanboy I don't find it at all surprising that
many android users are switching. I used to own a Galaxy S III, and Nexus 4, both good phones that make me say meh! I still say my iPhone 5
and Nokia Lumia 925 were better than any android phone i have ever used. I have a 5s coming thanks to T-Mobiles jump program. For now I am
using that old S III.....UGH!
Who knew Android switchers were so colorful?
Actually, I lived in Dallas for four years. I'm not sure how those guys making about $2,000 a month could afford a $4,000 a month apartment, but I did have a garage apartment in pricey Highland Park for $17 month (essentially utilities). I did yard work and babysat in exchange for the rent I wasn't paying. And I used to know someone who lived in a one-bedroom apartment in Manhattan with three roommates. How she managed I never found out.
Where there's a will there's sometimes a way.
--Michael W. Perry, author of Untangling Tolkien (LOTR chronology)
With a +/- 5% margin for error.
Adding more decimal places makes statistics more believable 84.963% of the time.
Unfortunately, this article doesn't take into account how many iPhone owners are abandoning Apple in favor of Android devices. After the colossal, embarrassing failure that is iOS7, I'm willing to bet the numbers are far greater AGAINST Apple than FOR it.
Any sources for this little piece of information? You have 2 points to prove...Apple users "abandoning" their iPhone in favor of Android and iOS7 being a "colossal, embarrassing failure..."
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2013/09/16iPhone-5s-iPhone-5c-Arrive-on-Friday-September-20.html
Not only that -- consider:
31 days Aug - iPhone 5C or 5S Availability == None
20 days Sep - iPhone 5C or 5S Availability == None
10 days Sep - iPhone 5C or 5S Availability == Limited 1 - 5 weeks *
31 days Oct - iPhone 5C or 5S Availability == Limited 1 - 5 weeks *
Value of study ~= 0
* Apple does not book as sales until shipped to resellers or, prepared for shipment to individuals
Sol,
Nice paean to jragosta in your sig... Thanks!
How are they arriving at this data? Did they survey people who bought a 5C? How else would they know age and income stats?
they talked to 5 people exiting a store and extrapolated the data to the entire cell phone buying public and declared a winner. Oh, they excluded any person which they believe were unable to make an informed buying decision.
Kinda' "All house and no collateral" 'eh?