The point of Cydia (and jailbreaking) is not piracy.
It is to use the device in a manner not approved by Apple, though. Correct? To have access to which apps? Since I've never jailbroken my devices, what are the top 10 apps or purposes for jailbreaking?
I've only met two people who have jailbroken their iPhones and they did it so they could have access to stolen content (apps).
It is to use the device in a manner not approved by Apple, though. Correct? To have access to which apps? Since I've never jailbroken my devices, what are the top 10 apps or purposes for jailbreaking?
I've only met two people who have jailbroken their iPhones and they did it so they could have access to stolen content.
1) Sure, but neither is it approved to go over the speed limit but that doesn't make one a bank robber simply because going 5 miles over the speed limit is technically against the law.
2) As previously noted there are all sorts of apps people can get access to that have nothing to do with App Store apps. Consisder Apple doesn't let you use private APIs or restrict apps they simply don't want to sell. They have that right but Cydia allows these developers to have a place to sell their wares. One of the most popular was an app that allowed for quick access to various settings… something that only came about in iOS 7.
3) What are the top 10 apps? I don't know since I haven't purchased anything off the Cydia store in several years since iOS now satisfies my needs but I did just recently jailbreak a 2nd gen Apple TV since I can get $200 on eBay for it and I don't care about XMBC and being able to use a Mac, Windows, or Linux file system to store and play my content. For those that have the 2nd gen Apple TV it's a nice way to get a little extra cash.
4) Your last sentence is a post hoc, ergo proper hoc argument. We might as well say that anyone that uses Facebook is for stalkers simply because it's been used for that reason. What is the problem with people jailbreaking to install XMBC on an Apple TV? Apple could choose not to service your device if you take it in but it's not illegal to run open source SW on a device you own and I see nothing unethical about it.
There is probably a lot less need for jailbreaking with iOS 7 vs. earlier versions now that some of the most popular features available only to JB have been added to iOS. We also have to wait until many of the Cydia apps are updated to work with iOS 7/ It seems this JB release really caught them off guard. Before my iPhone 5s I had a 4S and jailbroke it on iOS 5 and feel like it added a lot of extra value and functionality to my device. I tried it again on iOS 6 but had some compatibility issues with a few games and other apps so went back to stock. I have now jailbroken iOS 7 and so far so good. Some of the apps I really want to use still need updating but even without those it is nice to have flexibility and customization on my iPhone again. I no longer even remember the apps that caused problems last time with the JB but so far so good.
I would advise anyone to read the tips VERY carefully before you attempt it. For example, if you did a point update OTA you should go to iTunes and restore there before you JB. People that have had problems simply failed to read the FAQ section first.
adblocker, bytafont, Winterboard, f.lux, password pilot, octopus keyboard, iFile used to be my favorite apps.Made mu iPhone far more useful and enjoyable.
I read that as of last night, the Evad3rs have decided to kill TaiG from the install. So, even if you have Chinese set up on your iPhone as your language you'll get Cydia installed now.
"...we believe we have a right to be compensated in an ethical way."
Oh, the irony.
Do you know how many apps Apple has first allowed and the changed its mind on regarding the App Store? Enough for me to be irrated. I do not use pirated apps, but I always jailbreak.
Makes you wonder why a provider of pirated Apps would pay for this, given that the holier than thou Jailbreak crowd always come with the "jailbreaking is not for piracy" justification bullshit.
Hey put your shitty Comic Sans based Hello Kitty themes and crap on as much as you want, then celebrate the fact that it is paid for by the thieves of App store developers hard work, who I guess are paying over hard cash as a charitable exercise..
4) Your last sentence is a post hoc, ergo proper hoc argument. We might as well say that anyone that uses Facebook is for stalkers simply because it's been used for that reason. What is the problem with people jailbreaking to install XMBC on an Apple TV? Apple could choose not to service your device if you take it in but it's not illegal to run open source SW on a device you own and I see nothing unethical about it.
It was not meant to suggest app/content theft was the only reason why someone would jailbreak. My last sentence conveyed my personal experience. The greater part of my post was aimed at seeking clarity from those who jailbreak. I have yet to see definitive proof that the majority of jailbreaking is for so-called "legit" reasons.
It is to use the device in a manner not approved by Apple, though. Correct? To have access to which apps? Since I've never jailbroken my devices, what are the top 10 apps or purposes for jailbreaking?
I've only met two people who have jailbroken their iPhones and they did it so they could have access to stolen content (apps).
i've jailbroken my devices in the past and will try this today. i do it for two reasons:
(1) so i can use ssh to transfer a higher-quality audio clip to use as my outgoing voicemail message, and to use ssh to save voice messages on my computer
(2) i pay for and install mywi so i can tether my ipad to the phone. i pay for a certain amount of data each month; i don't know why anyone (i.e., at&t) cares how i use that data.
Do you know how many apps Apple has first allowed and the changed its mind on regarding the App Store? Enough for me to be irrated. I do not use pirated apps, but I always jailbreak.
I don't need to lecture anyone, after all, I'm not making decisions on what is or is not acceptable from Apple's point of view. However, it's possible some developers may be bent on selling apps that simply violate Apple's terms of use license, isn't it?
Makes you wonder why a provider of pirated Apps would pay for this, given that the holier than thou Jailbreak crowd always come with the "jailbreaking is not for piracy" justification bullshit.
Hey put your shitty Comic Sans based Hello Kitty themes and crap on as much as you want, then celebrate the fact that it is paid for by the thieves of App store developers hard work, who I guess are paying over hard cash as a charitable exercise..
Just quit with all the lies, already.
App pirates are usually jail breakers..
Such anger and emotion over something that doesn’t effect you in the least. The apps that I use on Cydia are either free or paid just like the Apple app store. So the developers on Cydia get paid just like they do on the official store. What evidence do you have to suggest most people that JB are using pirated apps?
If these apps or functions that they enable were available on a stock iPhone or in the app store then I would see no need to JB. But I like the added control and options that allow me to select my own default apps, my own keyboard, and so many other nice options only available through jailbreaking. The percentage of people that JB is a small minority so I doubt Apple really gives a hoot about this small subset of users. But I would imagine without the ability to JB many would go to Android so I think the JB is helping Apple to keep these people in the fold. You don’t want to JB then don’t. But please stop trying to equate anyone that chooses to do so as unethical, immoral or even illegal because that is just silly.
i've jailbroken my devices in the past and will try this today. i do it for two reasons:
(1) so i can use ssh to transfer a higher-quality audio clip to use as my outgoing voicemail message, and to use ssh to save voice messages on my computer
(2) i pay for and install mywi so i can tether my ipad to the phone. i pay for a certain amount of data each month; i don't know why anyone (i.e., at&t) cares how i use that data.
I don't understand how you're using Secure Shell, exactly... What kind of "higher quality audio clip" are you referring to here? Are you saying you pre-record a studio-quality engineered audio clip... to where do you transfer your outgoing message clip? Also, isn't Secure Shell reliant on public key crypto and hasn't public key been cracked by the NSA... or am I wrong here?
As to the second point, I don't like the additional fees imposed by the cell provider either, but you do have a choice to change providers. They "care" how you use your data, because it's their network and they also set the rules. You vote by taking your business somewhere else.
I fail to see the unethical nature of signing a business deal to include the Taig store instead of the Cydia store. Cydia is no more entitled to be included by default than any other app.
Piracy aside, which Cydia has been just as guilty of enabling, i fail to see what is supposed to be unethical about them being paid to include one particular company's stuff.
No different than Microsoft bundling some stupid software in return for payment from the vendor.
There is a bit of a difference here. Saurik doesn't include piracy repos in Cydia. He's as anti-piracy as he can be while still offering a system that allows others to post developer repositories. Taig is slimy. Saurik warned the team about them, but they bundled them anyway.
I agree, that what the team did wasn't unethical, but it was a bit unwise. They did have a contract which specified that pirated apps wouldn't be allowed on the bundled Taig app, but they immediately broke this contract. Thus, same-day response, evad3rs issued a letter explaining the situation and removed the Taig app.
All along the Taig app was removable by end users, and was only installed in the Chinese language version of the jailbreak.
Again, within hours, evad3rs removed the Taig app because it contained pirated apps in the store.
Now, before some idiot jumps in with this being "all about jailbreakers = pirates" how long did it take Apple to remove this company's app from their own store?
Yes, there are pirates in the jailbreak community. Yes, there are also pirates outside of the jailbreak community as you don't have to jailbreak in order to pirate. The mere fact that the bundling of Taig with this jailbreak was such an issue goes to show you how many people in the jailbreak community have such strong disdain for piracy. Otherwise, it would've just been "cool, instead of Cydia being bundled as usual, there's Taig which gives me pirated apps".
Just a matter of time before Apple kills off jailbreaking once and for all.
Looking forward to it.
Of greater interest is the role the Chinese government plays in "looking the other way" when it comes to IP theft and black market sales. Until very recently there were massive, well known stolen software and music portals on Baidu that could only exist with the "wink-wink" approval of the Chinese government.
And the number of real-world ripoffs and fakes are unsurpassed in China. How are entire malls full of stolen goods able to exist? Because of corruption and graft:
There are more mundane reasons for jailbreaking, such as if you merely want to set default apps.
Could you give some examples?
Like setting google maps as default in countries like India where Apple maps doesn't yet support even normal directions... Or to set a default music app other than the inbuilt one for the music freaks who find the built in app useless.. Or to set chrome as a default for people who do not like Safari... Or for people who find the calendar app a downgrade... You need more...?
Also it surprises me the anti apple public who swear that Apple is a control freak are actually opposing the JB...!!!
I don't understand how you're using Secure Shell, exactly... What kind of "higher quality audio clip" are you referring to here? Are you saying you pre-record a studio-quality engineered audio clip... to where do you transfer your outgoing message clip? Also, isn't Secure Shell reliant on public key crypto and hasn't public key been cracked by the NSA... or am I wrong here?
As to the second point, I don't like the additional fees imposed by the cell provider either, but you do have a choice to change providers. They "care" how you use your data, because it's their network and they also set the rules. You vote by taking your business somewhere else.
i'm saying i pre-record a studio-quality home engineered audio clip and then use ssh to transfer it to /usr/Library/Voicemail on the phone (don't quote me on that location), and that gets uploaded as my outgoing greeting. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=iphone+transfer+audio+file+as+custom+greeting (you're welcome)
i can't speak to what the nsa has or has not cracked, but there are eleventy-billion ssh servers in use around the world ... i'll leave it to you to notify the people running them that they're in danger and should shut down their servers. the nsa getting into my iphone via ssh is probably toward the bottom of my list of worries. if they want in then they're probably already there or can get there without my having an ssh server on my ios device.
at&t doesn't care if my request for cspan.org comes from my iphone or ipad; what at&t cares about is that they're not getting an extra $20 a month (or whatever it costs these days) from me for letting me use all the data i pay for the way i want. i'm voting by jailbreaking and installing mywi.
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It is to use the device in a manner not approved by Apple, though. Correct? To have access to which apps? Since I've never jailbroken my devices, what are the top 10 apps or purposes for jailbreaking?
I've only met two people who have jailbroken their iPhones and they did it so they could have access to stolen content (apps).
1) Sure, but neither is it approved to go over the speed limit but that doesn't make one a bank robber simply because going 5 miles over the speed limit is technically against the law.
2) As previously noted there are all sorts of apps people can get access to that have nothing to do with App Store apps. Consisder Apple doesn't let you use private APIs or restrict apps they simply don't want to sell. They have that right but Cydia allows these developers to have a place to sell their wares. One of the most popular was an app that allowed for quick access to various settings… something that only came about in iOS 7.
3) What are the top 10 apps? I don't know since I haven't purchased anything off the Cydia store in several years since iOS now satisfies my needs but I did just recently jailbreak a 2nd gen Apple TV since I can get $200 on eBay for it and I don't care about XMBC and being able to use a Mac, Windows, or Linux file system to store and play my content. For those that have the 2nd gen Apple TV it's a nice way to get a little extra cash.
4) Your last sentence is a post hoc, ergo proper hoc argument. We might as well say that anyone that uses Facebook is for stalkers simply because it's been used for that reason. What is the problem with people jailbreaking to install XMBC on an Apple TV? Apple could choose not to service your device if you take it in but it's not illegal to run open source SW on a device you own and I see nothing unethical about it.
There is probably a lot less need for jailbreaking with iOS 7 vs. earlier versions now that some of the most popular features available only to JB have been added to iOS. We also have to wait until many of the Cydia apps are updated to work with iOS 7/ It seems this JB release really caught them off guard. Before my iPhone 5s I had a 4S and jailbroke it on iOS 5 and feel like it added a lot of extra value and functionality to my device. I tried it again on iOS 6 but had some compatibility issues with a few games and other apps so went back to stock. I have now jailbroken iOS 7 and so far so good. Some of the apps I really want to use still need updating but even without those it is nice to have flexibility and customization on my iPhone again. I no longer even remember the apps that caused problems last time with the JB but so far so good.
I would advise anyone to read the tips VERY carefully before you attempt it. For example, if you did a point update OTA you should go to iTunes and restore there before you JB. People that have had problems simply failed to read the FAQ section first.
adblocker, bytafont, Winterboard, f.lux, password pilot, octopus keyboard, iFile used to be my favorite apps.Made mu iPhone far more useful and enjoyable.
I read that as of last night, the Evad3rs have decided to kill TaiG from the install. So, even if you have Chinese set up on your iPhone as your language you'll get Cydia installed now.
Do you know how many apps Apple has first allowed and the changed its mind on regarding the App Store? Enough for me to be irrated. I do not use pirated apps, but I always jailbreak.
It is to use the device in a manner not approved by Apple, though. Correct? To have access to which apps?
There are more mundane reasons for jailbreaking, such as if you merely want to set default apps.
Makes you wonder why a provider of pirated Apps would pay for this, given that the holier than thou Jailbreak crowd always come with the "jailbreaking is not for piracy" justification bullshit.
Hey put your shitty Comic Sans based Hello Kitty themes and crap on as much as you want, then celebrate the fact that it is paid for by the thieves of App store developers hard work, who I guess are paying over hard cash as a charitable exercise..
Just quit with all the lies, already.
App pirates are usually jail breakers..
4) Your last sentence is a post hoc, ergo proper hoc argument. We might as well say that anyone that uses Facebook is for stalkers simply because it's been used for that reason. What is the problem with people jailbreaking to install XMBC on an Apple TV? Apple could choose not to service your device if you take it in but it's not illegal to run open source SW on a device you own and I see nothing unethical about it.
It was not meant to suggest app/content theft was the only reason why someone would jailbreak. My last sentence conveyed my personal experience. The greater part of my post was aimed at seeking clarity from those who jailbreak. I have yet to see definitive proof that the majority of jailbreaking is for so-called "legit" reasons.
i've jailbroken my devices in the past and will try this today. i do it for two reasons:
(1) so i can use ssh to transfer a higher-quality audio clip to use as my outgoing voicemail message, and to use ssh to save voice messages on my computer
(2) i pay for and install mywi so i can tether my ipad to the phone. i pay for a certain amount of data each month; i don't know why anyone (i.e., at&t) cares how i use that data.
Do you know how many apps Apple has first allowed and the changed its mind on regarding the App Store? Enough for me to be irrated. I do not use pirated apps, but I always jailbreak.
I don't need to lecture anyone, after all, I'm not making decisions on what is or is not acceptable from Apple's point of view. However, it's possible some developers may be bent on selling apps that simply violate Apple's terms of use license, isn't it?
It is not unusual for third-party Chinese app stores to include pirated content.
Just a matter of time before Apple kills off jailbreaking once and for all.
Looking forward to it.
There are more mundane reasons for jailbreaking, such as if you merely want to set default apps.
Could you give some examples?
Makes you wonder why a provider of pirated Apps would pay for this, given that the holier than thou Jailbreak crowd always come with the "jailbreaking is not for piracy" justification bullshit.
Hey put your shitty Comic Sans based Hello Kitty themes and crap on as much as you want, then celebrate the fact that it is paid for by the thieves of App store developers hard work, who I guess are paying over hard cash as a charitable exercise..
Just quit with all the lies, already.
App pirates are usually jail breakers..
Such anger and emotion over something that doesn’t effect you in the least. The apps that I use on Cydia are either free or paid just like the Apple app store. So the developers on Cydia get paid just like they do on the official store. What evidence do you have to suggest most people that JB are using pirated apps?
If these apps or functions that they enable were available on a stock iPhone or in the app store then I would see no need to JB. But I like the added control and options that allow me to select my own default apps, my own keyboard, and so many other nice options only available through jailbreaking. The percentage of people that JB is a small minority so I doubt Apple really gives a hoot about this small subset of users. But I would imagine without the ability to JB many would go to Android so I think the JB is helping Apple to keep these people in the fold. You don’t want to JB then don’t. But please stop trying to equate anyone that chooses to do so as unethical, immoral or even illegal because that is just silly.
i've jailbroken my devices in the past and will try this today. i do it for two reasons:
(1) so i can use ssh to transfer a higher-quality audio clip to use as my outgoing voicemail message, and to use ssh to save voice messages on my computer
(2) i pay for and install mywi so i can tether my ipad to the phone. i pay for a certain amount of data each month; i don't know why anyone (i.e., at&t) cares how i use that data.
I don't understand how you're using Secure Shell, exactly... What kind of "higher quality audio clip" are you referring to here? Are you saying you pre-record a studio-quality engineered audio clip... to where do you transfer your outgoing message clip? Also, isn't Secure Shell reliant on public key crypto and hasn't public key been cracked by the NSA... or am I wrong here?
As to the second point, I don't like the additional fees imposed by the cell provider either, but you do have a choice to change providers. They "care" how you use your data, because it's their network and they also set the rules. You vote by taking your business somewhere else.
POOF goes any trustworthiness of the Evasi0n jailbreak. I'm never going to use that one again.
I fail to see the unethical nature of signing a business deal to include the Taig store instead of the Cydia store. Cydia is no more entitled to be included by default than any other app.
Piracy aside, which Cydia has been just as guilty of enabling, i fail to see what is supposed to be unethical about them being paid to include one particular company's stuff.
No different than Microsoft bundling some stupid software in return for payment from the vendor.
There is a bit of a difference here. Saurik doesn't include piracy repos in Cydia. He's as anti-piracy as he can be while still offering a system that allows others to post developer repositories. Taig is slimy. Saurik warned the team about them, but they bundled them anyway.
I agree, that what the team did wasn't unethical, but it was a bit unwise. They did have a contract which specified that pirated apps wouldn't be allowed on the bundled Taig app, but they immediately broke this contract. Thus, same-day response, evad3rs issued a letter explaining the situation and removed the Taig app.
All along the Taig app was removable by end users, and was only installed in the Chinese language version of the jailbreak.
Again, within hours, evad3rs removed the Taig app because it contained pirated apps in the store.
Now, before some idiot jumps in with this being "all about jailbreakers = pirates" how long did it take Apple to remove this company's app from their own store?
Yes, there are pirates in the jailbreak community. Yes, there are also pirates outside of the jailbreak community as you don't have to jailbreak in order to pirate. The mere fact that the bundling of Taig with this jailbreak was such an issue goes to show you how many people in the jailbreak community have such strong disdain for piracy. Otherwise, it would've just been "cool, instead of Cydia being bundled as usual, there's Taig which gives me pirated apps".
Just a matter of time before Apple kills off jailbreaking once and for all.
Looking forward to it.
Of greater interest is the role the Chinese government plays in "looking the other way" when it comes to IP theft and black market sales. Until very recently there were massive, well known stolen software and music portals on Baidu that could only exist with the "wink-wink" approval of the Chinese government.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/30/chinas-baidu-piracy_n_842385.html
http://cmp.hku.hk/2011/03/25/11140/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_copyright_infringement_in_the_People's_Republic_of_China
And the number of real-world ripoffs and fakes are unsurpassed in China. How are entire malls full of stolen goods able to exist? Because of corruption and graft:
http://www.smh.com.au/travel/activity/shopping/ripoff-city-where-fakery-is-an-art-form-20100218-oh33.html
There are more mundane reasons for jailbreaking, such as if you merely want to set default apps.
Could you give some examples?
Like setting google maps as default in countries like India where Apple maps doesn't yet support even normal directions... Or to set a default music app other than the inbuilt one for the music freaks who find the built in app useless.. Or to set chrome as a default for people who do not like Safari... Or for people who find the calendar app a downgrade... You need more...?
Also it surprises me the anti apple public who swear that Apple is a control freak are actually opposing the JB...!!!
i'm saying i pre-record a studio-quality home engineered audio clip and then use ssh to transfer it to /usr/Library/Voicemail on the phone (don't quote me on that location), and that gets uploaded as my outgoing greeting. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=iphone+transfer+audio+file+as+custom+greeting (you're welcome)
i can't speak to what the nsa has or has not cracked, but there are eleventy-billion ssh servers in use around the world ... i'll leave it to you to notify the people running them that they're in danger and should shut down their servers. the nsa getting into my iphone via ssh is probably toward the bottom of my list of worries. if they want in then they're probably already there or can get there without my having an ssh server on my ios device.
at&t doesn't care if my request for cspan.org comes from my iphone or ipad; what at&t cares about is that they're not getting an extra $20 a month (or whatever it costs these days) from me for letting me use all the data i pay for the way i want. i'm voting by jailbreaking and installing mywi.
I bought an iPhone 5s the day it came out
and its been sitting on my night stand since i got it
because i was waiting for the jailbreak
and yes i want the jailbreak not to pirate apps
but to have access to features/apps not ok'd by apple
apple recently removed all bitcoin wallets from the app store
why i have no clue, but i can download those same apps on a jailbroken phone
i can change the sounds for new emails, texts etc
and i don't mean the default options, but sounds to my liking
i have the sound of perry the platypus as my text sound
i can install user agent faker, so i get the desktop version of websites, not the mobile one
i can (when the hacks are updated for ios7) change the ugly ios7 icons to whatever i like
i can even go back to the ios6 icons
things like this should be an option on the iphone
i can also shrink my icons and have 5 rows and 5 columns
which means i have all my most often used apps on the home screen.
yes apple makes the best phone on the market
i just don't like when apple decides that 2d icons are the hot item, and removes my ability to say no, and keep my 3d icons
this way i have the best phone, and since i own it, i can do or change whatever i want to it
just like i can with my car, pc, house etc
…Taig’s storefront played host to a plethora of pirated apps…
And why does anyone support the modern jailbreak community, again?