Analyst predicts Apple will transform notebook market with 12-inch hybrid 'iPad Pro' this fall

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  • Reply 221 of 236
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    Don't spoil the dreams of the devout.
  • Reply 222 of 236
    nhtnht Posts: 4,522member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

     

    What changes, making people think that physically impossible things are possible? 


     

    Given that good hybrids exist "physically impossible" is simply wrong.

     

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     IT’S AN EIGHT INCH SCREEN. You can’t type on it, you can’t work on it; “no compromise”?! Are you mental?

     

    I type on it just fine.  I "work" on it as much as my iPad 4...which is not that much.  What "work" do you do on your iPad?

     

    Yes, there's no compromise vs the iPad Air.  Both run the same CPU.  Both are retina with the same resolution.  Obviously the size is different...that's the whole point.  While going out it is very much the preferred device since it easily fits my wife's purse unlike the larger full sized iPad.

  • Reply 223 of 236
    Originally Posted by hmm View Post

    You know that would impact the economy in Texas right? It would also cause problems for Apple due to some of their components originating there.

     

    I dunno; people will still need their iPhones. 

     

    Originally Posted by nht View Post

    Given that good hybrids exist "physically impossible" is simply wrong.


     

    Because that’s what I was talking about¡

     

    I type on it just fine.


     

    How? the horizontal keyboard is the size of the vertical keyboard on the iPad.

     

    Obviously the size is different...that's the whole point.



     

    Well, at least you acknowledge the compromise, even if you don’t think it exists.

  • Reply 224 of 236
    nhtnht Posts: 4,522member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

     

    Because that’s what I was talking about¡


     

    Then be clear what you think is physically impossible.

     

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     How? the horizontal keyboard is the size of the vertical keyboard on the iPad.

     

    How do you type on your iPhone?  Same way.  Can you get "work" done on your iPhone?  I can in terms of email and simple presentations.

     

    When I have a lot of work to do on the iPad (writing wise) then for either the iPad 4 or the iPad mini I'll grab my logitech keyboard that is sync'd with my MBP, iPad Mini and Mac Mini.

     

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     Well, at least you acknowledge the compromise, even if you don’t think it exists.


     

    It's not a compromise when I wanted it smaller in the first place.  I bought it because it was smaller, not in spite of it being smaller.  The iPad Air is a compromise in that scenario because it's too big to travel as well.

  • Reply 225 of 236
    Originally Posted by nht View Post

    Then be clear what you think is physically impossible.


     

    Using a vertical touchscreen at full arm’s length for eight hours a day.

     

    iOS is the touchscreen answer to OS X. That this sentence needs to be said at all is absolutely pathetic. They won’t be making a touchscreen laptop.

     
    How do you type on your iPhone?  Same way.

     

    Thumb typing on an eight inch screen! <img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />

     

    Can you get “work" done on your iPhone? I can in terms of email and simple presentations.


     

    I wouldn’t want to write a novel or historical treatise on my iPhone. I am, however, on my iPad. Because I can use ten fingers.

     

    The iPad Air is a compromise in that scenario because it's too big to travel as well. 


     

    Ever tried?

  • Reply 226 of 236
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    With an unlimited requirements list then everything is a compromise.

    Terrible line of argument.
  • Reply 227 of 236
    zoolookzoolook Posts: 657member
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    Originally Posted by Marvin View Post



    Portrait orientation, 8" screen, slimmer side bezels. Now I know it's just a rectangle but it looks so iconic and familiar, yet at the same time such a basic and obvious shape. Could they have copied it from somewhere I wonder. Oh that's it, they copied LG:



     

    ZOMG, Toyota just releazed a n3w c@r wif teh 4 wheels and enginz... th3y must have copeed teh Henry Ford....

     

    All tablets are going to normalize towards a common form factor. Does anyone bang on about Apple "copying" the (obvious) 7-inch tablet?

  • Reply 228 of 236
    MarvinMarvin Posts: 15,310moderator
    zoolook wrote: »
    ZOMG, Toyota just releazed a n3w c@r wif teh 4 wheels and enginz... th3y must have copeed teh Henry Ford....

    Does their car look almost identical to Henry Ford's car? If so and Henry Ford is still alive, there might be a case.
    zoolook wrote: »
    All tablets are going to normalize towards a common form factor. Does anyone bang on about Apple "copying" the (obvious) 7-inch tablet?

    Some people do without realising it's an 8" tablet and without acknowledging it had a unique design.
  • Reply 229 of 236
    nhtnht Posts: 4,522member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

     

    Using a vertical touchscreen at full arm’s length for eight hours a day.


     

    The distance from the home row of my keyboard to the screen on my MBP is 6".  The distance that my elbow travels from moving my hand from the home row to the screen is 2".  At no time is it a "full arm's length" away.

     

    For the Mac Mini the distances are greater and the iPad or trackpad/tablet a more natural touch interface to interact with OSX.  The iPad is better because I can throw controls onto that secondary display to interact with as well as use gestures.  That would be nice to have within OSX.

     

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     iOS is the touchscreen answer to OS X. That this sentence needs to be said at all is absolutely pathetic. They won’t be making a touchscreen laptop.

     

    Given your past predictive performance your absolute arrogance in the correctness of your opinion is what is absolutely pathetic.  

     

    On a laptop the screen is not an arms length away.  The fact is that you move your hand as far to interact with the trackpad (assuming you want to use your finger and not thumb) is about the same distance as moving it on the screen or off the keyboard to interact with a mouse.

     

    In any case, a MBA with a flip screen like on the XPS 12 where you can interact with is as a somewhat thick tablet when closed would be nice.  Which is why I made my comment on hybrid tablets.  As long as it's no thicker than the MBA I would be happy.

     

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     Thumb typing on an eight inch screen! <img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />

     

    The iPad Mini is only 5.3" wide in portrait mode and very comfortable and fast to type that way.  Faster than on the iPhone. 

     

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    I wouldn’t want to write a novel or historical treatise on my iPhone. I am, however, on my iPad. Because I can use ten fingers.

     

    So can I.  The physical keyboard is far more comfortable and I get a lot more screen real estate back without the virtual keyboard in the way.

     

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    Ever tried?


     

    Of course, we do it all the time.  That's how I know.  It's a hassle not really because of weight but because of size.  There are some room safes that you need to prop the full sized iPad at an angle to fit.  It's annoying.  Plus I can toss the iPad mini in a jacket pocket easily if my wife isn't around or doesn't want to carry her purse.  Not so much with the iPad 4.

     

    So we now only use the full sized iPad on longer car trips where the size penalty is tolerable since we're in a car and I'm probably dealing with luggage anyway.  Mostly it stays home.  This fall I may get the Air replacement and follow with another iPad Mini in 2015.

     

    Both have uses but the Mini is far nicer to travel with.  Plus I prefer the size for reading but that's a personal preference thing.  Not fitting in purses, pockets or hotel safes is an objective measure of fitness for travel.

  • Reply 230 of 236
    zoolookzoolook Posts: 657member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Marvin View Post



    Some people do without realising it's an 8" tablet and without acknowledging it had a unique design.

     

    Well that's because Apple wanted to keep the 4:3 form factor, AND (originally) the 10x7 resolution. A 7 inch screen at 4:3 ratio would not have worked - the size and form factor were 'obvious' if they wanted it to be small and practical. Any by the way, that's not a bad thing - Ive is always talking about products being 'true to themselves'. I love 4:3 for my iPad because it's the best way to read magazines and read online content (I'm on the iPad 3rd gen).

     

    But this "you copied us" lark is getting s-e-r-i-o-u-s-l-y boring. There were 8-inch Kindles before the iPad mini, but so what. The best product is still the best product, which is still ANY iPad. If some other company figures out that an 8-inch 4:3 screen is actually a lot better than a 7 inch 16:10 or 16:9 screen... that can only be a good thing.

  • Reply 231 of 236
    MarvinMarvin Posts: 15,310moderator
    zoolook wrote: »
    But this "you copied us" lark is getting s-e-r-i-o-u-s-l-y boring.

    It would stop if Apple's competitors didn't keep mimicking their every move almost immediately after they do it. Samsung already had a Galaxy Tab design and it looked like this last year:

    1000

    This year, it looks like:

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    (Galaxy Tab is on the left in case you have trouble telling them apart)

    Why not just stick with the design they had on the form factor they had? Why change it when Apple does it differently?
  • Reply 232 of 236
    emesemes Posts: 239member
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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

     

     

    Using a vertical touchscreen at full arm’s length for eight hours a day.


    It doesn't have to be vertical. Ever seen the Aspire R7?

  • Reply 233 of 236
    2014
    Hair Supply: We've noticed that a lot of people are using their iPads like this [pic of iPad in keyboard stand]. We realize that for many applications it's helpful to add a mouse and keyboard, so today we're introducing Cursor Mode. For applications that have been made compatible, you will now have the option to activate this mode whenever your iPad detects a keyboard and trackpad. We think a lot of people are going to find this really useful.

    2015
    Phil: We've noticed that a lot of people are using Cursor Mode, almost exclusively in many cases, which is now supported by over 50,000 applications. So today we're really excited to announce, iBook, an entirely new generation of notebooks. There's no touch, it's meant to function fully as a notebook, but it's a great way to engage with your iOS ecosystem. It incorporates Apple's custom designed, and very powerful A9 chip, will last 3 days on a single charge, and it starts at just $699!

    2016
    World domination!
  • Reply 234 of 236
    v5vv5v Posts: 1,357member
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    Originally Posted by PatchyThePirate View Post



    [...] and it starts at just $699!

     

    Sure, for the base model with only 16GB storage. Bringing it up to 128GB will add an incomprehensible $300!

  • Reply 235 of 236
    philboogiephilboogie Posts: 7,675member
    v5v wrote: »
    Sure, for the base model with only 16GB storage. Bringing it up to 128GB will add an incomprehensible $300!

    What I find incomprehensible is that they were able to sell a 16GB, useful, tablet for $499.
  • Reply 236 of 236
    hmmhmm Posts: 3,405member
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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

     

     

    I dunno; people will still need their iPhones. 

     

     


    Of course. I was only referring to that if you completely removed Samsung's presence from the US, there would be some resulting turmoil in infrastructure. On Apple's end the potential turmoil would be from a fast change in their supply chain. I highly doubt they would push for such a thing, even if it stood a chance of being granted.

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