I could see Apple releasing an iOS with a keyboard, which would bascially make it a laptop. The problem with simply buying an iPad is that some users really do need a keyboard, and oftentimes third party detached keyboards are not a great option. The education market would eat up these devices if it also came with at least some kind of file management (maybe even file server access) and the ability to easily print.
I would expect a device like I am describing to be much less than a MacBook Air ($600-$700 range) and the current 13" rMBP come down in price to right around $1,000. I am sure Apple would still offer the MacBook Air until this happens.
Why not just get an iPad with a case that has a keyboard attached to it, or just get the Apple bluetooth keyboard. This solves the keyboard issue right there.
Education market is already eating up the iPad market. I know, as I work in IT in a school district. In today's world you shouldn't need to be able to access a local server in order to see your files. There are far better ways to do things. Printing is a non issue with a small program called HandyPrint which works very well.
I seriously doubt you'll see this kind of device in the $600-700 range. Thats not very much more than the iPad Air. You have hopes and dreams right there. I don't see the need for an MacBook Air if there's an iPad this size. There isn't much the MBA can do that the iPad can't.
Then explain, don't just say thats false. If you didn't explain, then obviously there really isn't much because otherwise you would have said something other than "That's false".
Then explain, don't just say thats false. If you didn't explain, then obviously there really isn't much because otherwise you would have said something other than "That's false".
The way that some people on this forum are advocating for Apple to emulate and copy a failed concept (like the MS Surface) is laughable.
What a great strategy. Gee, what should Apple do next with it's super successful iPad line? Golly gee, let's borrow features from the least successful device on the market! That ought to be real swell!
If Apple does release a "convertible", it will be good news for people looking to short AAPL.
It certainly makes sense that Apple will do something similar. The real question is whether the ARM chips can run OS X anywhere close to Haswell. Apparently the A5 could just about manage it. A 64-bit quad-core A8 with enough RAM should be able to pull it off, with some performance compromises.
I never said iPad will run OSX, nor did I say iOS will run on Intel processors, read again. And my previous comment assumes that iOS will gain more capability over time and iPad hardware will also get more powerful over time. Once that happens, there's really no need for a MBA. The iPad Air will subsume the MBA. We'll just have to agree to disagree and let time decide who's right.
I agree with you on this.
Like desktop computers, laptops will not disappear, but, in my opinion, the iPad will become more capable over time and, in the process, make laptops less desirable.
In my household, and in a few others I know, the desktop computer is hardly, if ever, used because the iPad will do the majority of the required tasks. I believe the same thing will happen to laptops as tablets do more and more of the work that can only be done effectively on desktops and laptops today.
Wow, you convinced me. What a great argument; well put, quoted all the facts, really coherent.You should quit whatever job you have and become a diplomat, or go into arbitration. Where did you learn such sharp debating skills? 3rd grade?
[…] he sees the company using the additional screen real estate to […] make the iPad lineup more appealing to business customers.
Hahaha! Right… let's see how that works out.
(The following is all based on my actual experience over the last few weeks.)
Week 1: Entered the contact information for Beazley & Co. into the address book. Created an appointment with Carl Beazley for next Tuesday. Tried adding the contact page into the appointment, but for some reason the calendar keeps substituting an arbitrary incorrect address.
Week 2: Asked Maps to remind me where Beazley & Co. is located. It showed me a location in exactly the opposite direction and roughly 20 miles away from the correct location.
Week 3: Have just run the update that appeared on my screen, and was about to put the finishing touches on the promotional document we've been working on with the client but apparently all the formatting tools are gone from Pages and some of the files we linked are missing. Apple says this is necessary in order to upgrade the software. IT says they have never, ever heard of anything like that and question Apple's veracity.
Week 4: Used iTunes to load a couple dozen spots and corporate videos. The iPad is unable to recognize which client some of them are for, which order they should be in for others, and which versions are which. This is despite everything appearing correctly in iTunes and every single file having been prepared exactly the same way, in accordance with Apple's specifications.
Hit the sleep button while placing a quick call for support. Got no useful information (Apple says to go home and reinstall everything from scratch. Thanks Genius, will YOU please ask the client to wait while I do that?). Pressed the physical button again and got a screen with a poster frame and transport controls. Pressed Play. Nothing. Pressed it again. Nothing. Pressed FF and REW and the position slider. Nothing does anything. Had to slide to unlock and open the app and select the series and select the item and press Play, all of which is fine, but then why TF did the unlock screen show transport controls if they don't work? Not exactly "intuitive."
Week 5: Client refers to a web page. iPad won't open the page. try a different site. iPad won't open the page. Try the client's own site, iPad won't open the page. Power down the iPad (which takes about 60 seconds), restart the iPad (which takes another 60 seconds) and pages open fine. Apparently mobile Safari "just does that" sometimes.
Week 6: Laugh until I pee myself over some analyst's suggestion that increasing screen size and adding a keyboard will make an iPad suitable for business applications.
What sounds far more plausible is a notebook running on Arm for the cost savings, rather a 12" convertible iPad. They made a big point to say that the new 64 bit A7 was desktop class. So I would imagine the A8 to be even more so.
I see far more demand for a less expensive alternative to the Macbook Air than 12" iPad. An Arm based notebook for basic tasks that would represent a far bigger demographic and be practical for anyone from students to business professionals that do not run Finalcut Pro or need full-blown OSX
Wow, you convinced me. What a great argument; well put, quoted all the facts, really coherent.You should quit whatever job you have and become a diplomat, or go into arbitration. Where did you learn such sharp debating skills? 3rd grade?
Then you agree. Both our arguments are unconvincing.
I also use a fork, spoon and knife when I eat dinner. I'd imagine that if I were invited for dinner by a Surface owner, I'd be given a damn spork to eat with.
That was an excellent analogy and I couldn't stop laughing for almost 10 seconds it was so funny. Great post!
They should have accounted the total cost of CPU + Chipset. Which are all going to Intel. Combined together the Cost would be closer to 30% Vs 5% of iPad.
Assuming A8 will be 20nm, which is very likely. A Quad Core 64Bit ARM running at 2Ghz will nailed bottom half of the Notebook Market.
Just curious why you'd want a touch version of OSX?
Because he enjoys things that don’t work.
Over the last year or two I've described at least half a dozen (maybe more) ways that touch on a computer screen would be beneficial and convenient while you cling to ONE liability. You don't even acknowledge that your single objection is not even always an issue.
You've already made it clear that you lack imagination and fear change. Please don't let that cause you to insult those who have the vision to appreciate more flexible use models.
Steve already said they tried it but that they came to the conclusion that a touch screen needs to be flat, not vertical.
Anyone consider the possibility that maybe he was WRONG?
Grab a MacBook Air. Place it close to you. Reach up and touch the screen as if you were sliding something off the screen or scaling an image. It feels perfectly natural -- certainly MUCH more natural than using a trackpad to perform the same operations.
Good point, but I don't think they'll create a hybrid. Steve already said they tried it but that they came to the conclusion that a touch screen needs to be flat, not vertical. So a larger 'iPad Pro' could work, or a ultralight MBA. Moving to ARM for OSX is another discussion on its own.
Jobs was very much of a salesperson. I mean anyone could tell you it gets uncomfortable to constantly reach out that way. It might make sense in limited circumstances, not for general use. He wasn't an idiot, which is why I say the comment was completely contrived. If they could make it light enough, one that folds back or one with a two sided screen could be interesting. Overall they always talked down anything they didn't intend to do at that exact time. I would agree there's no way they could move off OSX right now. I don't know where they'll go with the two operating systems, but there aren't any obvious options for transition. It's not really interesting to me to speculate 10 or more years out rather than 1-2. At that point you might have something unrecognizable compared to today.
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I could see Apple releasing an iOS with a keyboard, which would bascially make it a laptop. The problem with simply buying an iPad is that some users really do need a keyboard, and oftentimes third party detached keyboards are not a great option. The education market would eat up these devices if it also came with at least some kind of file management (maybe even file server access) and the ability to easily print.
I would expect a device like I am describing to be much less than a MacBook Air ($600-$700 range) and the current 13" rMBP come down in price to right around $1,000. I am sure Apple would still offer the MacBook Air until this happens.
Why not just get an iPad with a case that has a keyboard attached to it, or just get the Apple bluetooth keyboard. This solves the keyboard issue right there.
Education market is already eating up the iPad market. I know, as I work in IT in a school district. In today's world you shouldn't need to be able to access a local server in order to see your files. There are far better ways to do things. Printing is a non issue with a small program called HandyPrint which works very well.
I seriously doubt you'll see this kind of device in the $600-700 range. Thats not very much more than the iPad Air. You have hopes and dreams right there. I don't see the need for an MacBook Air if there's an iPad this size. There isn't much the MBA can do that the iPad can't.
There isn't much the MBA can do that the iPad can't.
That's false.
That's false.
Then explain, don't just say thats false. If you didn't explain, then obviously there really isn't much because otherwise you would have said something other than "That's false".
There isn't much the MBA can do that the iPad can't.
That’s pushing it at this point.
Run FCPX, for starters!
Intel are planning a Windows/Android hybrid this year
http://www.theverge.com/2014/1/3/5267360/intel-dual-os-pc-plus-android-windows-microsoft-objection
It certainly makes sense that Apple will do something similar. The real question is whether the ARM chips can run OS X anywhere close to Haswell. Apparently the A5 could just about manage it. A 64-bit quad-core A8 with enough RAM should be able to pull it off, with some performance compromises.
I never said iPad will run OSX, nor did I say iOS will run on Intel processors, read again. And my previous comment assumes that iOS will gain more capability over time and iPad hardware will also get more powerful over time. Once that happens, there's really no need for a MBA. The iPad Air will subsume the MBA. We'll just have to agree to disagree and let time decide who's right.
I agree with you on this.
Like desktop computers, laptops will not disappear, but, in my opinion, the iPad will become more capable over time and, in the process, make laptops less desirable.
In my household, and in a few others I know, the desktop computer is hardly, if ever, used because the iPad will do the majority of the required tasks. I believe the same thing will happen to laptops as tablets do more and more of the work that can only be done effectively on desktops and laptops today.
No it doesn't.
No it doesn't.
Wow, you convinced me. What a great argument; well put, quoted all the facts, really coherent.You should quit whatever job you have and become a diplomat, or go into arbitration. Where did you learn such sharp debating skills? 3rd grade?
Quote:
[…] he sees the company using the additional screen real estate to […] make the iPad lineup more appealing to business customers.
Hahaha! Right… let's see how that works out.
Week 1: Entered the contact information for Beazley & Co. into the address book. Created an appointment with Carl Beazley for next Tuesday. Tried adding the contact page into the appointment, but for some reason the calendar keeps substituting an arbitrary incorrect address.
Week 2: Asked Maps to remind me where Beazley & Co. is located. It showed me a location in exactly the opposite direction and roughly 20 miles away from the correct location.
Week 3: Have just run the update that appeared on my screen, and was about to put the finishing touches on the promotional document we've been working on with the client but apparently all the formatting tools are gone from Pages and some of the files we linked are missing. Apple says this is necessary in order to upgrade the software. IT says they have never, ever heard of anything like that and question Apple's veracity.
Week 4: Used iTunes to load a couple dozen spots and corporate videos. The iPad is unable to recognize which client some of them are for, which order they should be in for others, and which versions are which. This is despite everything appearing correctly in iTunes and every single file having been prepared exactly the same way, in accordance with Apple's specifications.
Hit the sleep button while placing a quick call for support. Got no useful information (Apple says to go home and reinstall everything from scratch. Thanks Genius, will YOU please ask the client to wait while I do that?). Pressed the physical button again and got a screen with a poster frame and transport controls. Pressed Play. Nothing. Pressed it again. Nothing. Pressed FF and REW and the position slider. Nothing does anything. Had to slide to unlock and open the app and select the series and select the item and press Play, all of which is fine, but then why TF did the unlock screen show transport controls if they don't work? Not exactly "intuitive."
Week 5: Client refers to a web page. iPad won't open the page. try a different site. iPad won't open the page. Try the client's own site, iPad won't open the page. Power down the iPad (which takes about 60 seconds), restart the iPad (which takes another 60 seconds) and pages open fine. Apparently mobile Safari "just does that" sometimes.
Week 6: Laugh until I pee myself over some analyst's suggestion that increasing screen size and adding a keyboard will make an iPad suitable for business applications.
I like dogs and I like women. I don't want a female dog.
Yeah, that would really be a bitch.
What sounds far more plausible is a notebook running on Arm for the cost savings, rather a 12" convertible iPad. They made a big point to say that the new 64 bit A7 was desktop class. So I would imagine the A8 to be even more so.
I see far more demand for a less expensive alternative to the Macbook Air than 12" iPad. An Arm based notebook for basic tasks that would represent a far bigger demographic and be practical for anyone from students to business professionals that do not run Finalcut Pro or need full-blown OSX
Then you agree. Both our arguments are unconvincing.
Then you agree. Both our arguments are unconvincing.
No, I think there is a market for a device that covers both the MBA and iPad functionality.
That was an excellent analogy and I couldn't stop laughing for almost 10 seconds it was so funny. Great post!
They should have accounted the total cost of CPU + Chipset. Which are all going to Intel. Combined together the Cost would be closer to 30% Vs 5% of iPad.
Assuming A8 will be 20nm, which is very likely. A Quad Core 64Bit ARM running at 2Ghz will nailed bottom half of the Notebook Market.
Originally Posted by Rogifan
Because he enjoys things that don’t work.
Over the last year or two I've described at least half a dozen (maybe more) ways that touch on a computer screen would be beneficial and convenient while you cling to ONE liability. You don't even acknowledge that your single objection is not even always an issue.
You've already made it clear that you lack imagination and fear change. Please don't let that cause you to insult those who have the vision to appreciate more flexible use models.
Steve already said they tried it but that they came to the conclusion that a touch screen needs to be flat, not vertical.
Anyone consider the possibility that maybe he was WRONG?
Grab a MacBook Air. Place it close to you. Reach up and touch the screen as if you were sliding something off the screen or scaling an image. It feels perfectly natural -- certainly MUCH more natural than using a trackpad to perform the same operations.
Good point, but I don't think they'll create a hybrid. Steve already said they tried it but that they came to the conclusion that a touch screen needs to be flat, not vertical. So a larger 'iPad Pro' could work, or a ultralight MBA. Moving to ARM for OSX is another discussion on its own.
Jobs was very much of a salesperson. I mean anyone could tell you it gets uncomfortable to constantly reach out that way. It might make sense in limited circumstances, not for general use. He wasn't an idiot, which is why I say the comment was completely contrived. If they could make it light enough, one that folds back or one with a two sided screen could be interesting. Overall they always talked down anything they didn't intend to do at that exact time. I would agree there's no way they could move off OSX right now. I don't know where they'll go with the two operating systems, but there aren't any obvious options for transition. It's not really interesting to me to speculate 10 or more years out rather than 1-2. At that point you might have something unrecognizable compared to today.