Oh please. I get it. You find posting silly things amusing to annoy Apple users. Visual Studio is a bloated, overpriced carcass suitable only for adherents of Microsoft-proprietary languages, and IDE-dependent developers stuck on Microsoft's dead technologies like dot net and Silverlight.
Visual Studio is by far the worst IDE...except for all the others. It certainly is better than Eclipse and Netbeans. IntelliJ annoys the crap out of me so I obviously think it's better than that as well.
Xcode I think is a taste thing. It certainly is as limited as VS in terms of platform, languages and framework support.
Gates and Ballmer are both major shareholders in MS so they will always be part of that company's DNA. It will be interesting to see if they move back to the old tactics of dumping to remove competitors and using monopolistic methods to build market share while sitting on standards setting committees then basing their own proprietary solutions on them after pulling out.
Gates and Ballmer are both major shareholders in MS so they will always be part of that company's DNA. It will be interesting to see if they move back to the old tactics of dumping to remove competitors and using monopolistic methods to build market share while sitting on standards setting committees then basing their own proprietary solutions on them after pulling out.
I can't help wondering why Gates and Ballmer didn't rip off iOS like Google did. It's as if the guilt of ripping of Mac OS finally got to them and they hesitated too long assuming they even considered it.
Interesting that Ballmer gets to be on the Board...
He owns around $11BN of MSFT stock, and is certainly not a passive investor, so I would imagine that it would be hard to keep him off the board even if MSFT wanted to...
Currently Microsoft makes a better tablet OS than Apple.
Yes, and for that reason people bought so much, that Microsoft had to buy back the unsold inventory.
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Currently Microsoft has better services, such as Azure.
And I thought that those people at Amazon EC2 were just a bunch of racoons.
They both have good pro apps.
Both? Who's the other one? Anyhow, sticking with Microsoft Pro apps for a moment -- really? These apps are 'good' because they are bloated and crash all the time?
Microsoft offers a better mobile Office Suite.
Correction - Popular, not better. Micorosft Office is the only productivity suite I've seen that's so much bloated, and full of bugs and inconsistencies. It lags all the time and oh my God just have a look at Office 2013. Microsoft for some reason thinks that obtrusive animations and Metro UI is good for office productivity because it takes more time to do the same thing and it is more heavier on system resources so older PCs cannot run it. BRAVO.
IE11 is better than Safari.
By what measure do you arrive at this? I think this one is just out of spite and doesn't make any sense at all. Have you ever used Safari? It's faster than Chrome my delirious man. It supports extensions. It supports multi-threaded rendering. It supports better standards than any IE. It has stuff like offline reading list. It has a much much much much much much better and beautiful UI as compared to the dull IE. The whole world has ditched IE because it's so numb, old and feature-stripped. But somehow, it's better than Safari? Ok.
If hiring internally means no great change of direction, that's good news for Apple. Microsoft has had no answer to the iPhone and iPad, and even the Mac has outgrown Windows marketshare for 30 of the last 31 quarters (by a tiny bit each time). More of the same? Great.
Given that Apple has no Azure equivalent it is automatically true that MS has better enterprise service platforms.
I would say that MS has as much presence in pro apps as Apple has in enterprise apps. Not much to speak of.
Mmmm...this is a more close comparison. You can probably convincingly argue either way.
Examples of how Windows 8 RT is better than iOS -
1. Windows 8/RT can display 2 or 3 apps side by side. iOS only displays 1 app at a time.
2. Windows 8/RT supports multi-user accounts.
3. Windows 8/RT has a better on-screen keyboard than the iPad. It can display a full size standard keyboard layout, with numbers at the top and even function keys, so you can use it just like a physical keyboard and not mess around with switching between letter and numbers. Also, when you press Caps or Shift, the letters on the keyboard change case rather than just lighting up the Shift key.
4. Windows 8/RT has much better support for external storage, such as USB 3.0 sticks, external hard drives, etc.
5. Windows 8RT gives you access to the full file system with a file manager.
6. Windows 8/RT supports a mouse too. If you connect the tablet to an external monitor (by cable or wirelessly) then you can use the tablet as a desktop base unit.
7. Windows 8/RT has full multi-monitor support, similar to a Mac.
8. Windows 8/RT has a much better framework for apps to share data with each other and to be able to do global native searches for content stored within apps.
9. Windows 8/RT is much more customisable with it's live tiles.
I could go on, but it clearly demonstrates the superior capability of Windows 8 and Windows RT compared with iOS.
Pro apps - there are plenty available for both platforms. Most companies which do pro apps support both platforms equally.
Given that Apple has no Azure equivalent it is automatically true that MS has better enterprise service platforms.
I would say that MS has as much presence in pro apps as Apple has in enterprise apps. Not much to speak of.
Mmmm...this is a more close comparison. You can probably convincingly argue either way. [/QUOTE]
Examples of how Windows 8 RT is better than iOS -
1. Windows 8/RT can display 2 or 3 apps side by side. iOS only displays 1 app at a time. 2. Windows 8/RT supports multi-user accounts. 3. Windows 8/RT has a better on-screen keyboard than the iPad. It can display a full size standard keyboard layout, with numbers at the top and even function keys, so you can use it just like a physical keyboard and not mess around with switching between letter and numbers. Also, when you press Caps or Shift, the letters on the keyboard change case rather than just lighting up the Shift key. 4. Windows 8/RT has much better support for external storage, such as USB 3.0 sticks, external hard drives, etc. 5. Windows 8RT gives you access to the full file system with a file manager. 6. Windows 8/RT supports a mouse too. If you connect the tablet to an external monitor (by cable or wirelessly) then you can use the tablet as a desktop base unit. 7. Windows 8/RT has full multi-monitor support, similar to a Mac. 8. Windows 8/RT has a much better framework for apps to share data with each other and to be able to do global native searches for content stored within apps. 9. Windows 8/RT is much more customisable with it's live tiles.
I could go on, but it clearly demonstrates the superior capability of Windows 8 and Windows RT compared with iOS.
Pro apps - there are plenty available for both platforms. Most companies which do pro apps support both platforms equally. [/quote
Umm...thanks for the history lesson, but we are more into future paradigms here.
Visual Studio is by far the worst IDE...except for all the others. It certainly is better than Eclipse and Netbeans. IntelliJ annoys the crap out of me so I obviously think it's better than that as well.
Xcode I think is a taste thing. It certainly is as limited as VS in terms of platform, languages and framework support.
Visual Studio supports lots of languages - VB, C#, C++, F#, Python, Ruby, APL, etc etc. Basically, it can be extended to work with any language.
That was an "easy" thing to do, Apple was being run by incompetent fools during MS rising, and even when Steve was there, he was a maniac.
Now, with guys like Cook, Ive, Phil, Craig and others, +160 billion in the bank, +13B$ net profit each christmas quarter, not to mention the powerful ecosystem. I would love to see them try it, again.
Yes, good thing that bozo Jobs is no longer at Apple...
I can't help wondering why Gates and Ballmer didn't rip off iOS like Google did. It's as if the guilt of ripping of Mac OS finally got to them and they hesitated too long assuming they even considered it.
Well, to be fair, Apple did write a sloppy SLA/EULA that gave Microsoft unlimited use of Apple's technology. Google just ripped Apple off. Why Apple are suing Samsung and not Google though is not clear to me.
I can't help wondering why Gates and Ballmer didn't rip off iOS like Google did. It's as if the guilt of ripping of Mac OS finally got to them and they hesitated too long assuming they even considered it.
Have you actually used windows? Other than the fact that both Windows and Mac OS use, umm, windows and a recycle bin, the look and feel is completely different, and the usage modes are quite different as well. Given that Mac was not the first, second, or third computer to use a window system, I am not sure what you are on about.
1. Windows 8/RT can display 2 or 3 apps side by side. iOS only displays 1 app at a time.
2. Windows 8/RT supports multi-user accounts.
3. Windows 8/RT has a better on-screen keyboard than the iPad. It can display a full size standard keyboard layout, with numbers at the top and even function keys, so you can use it just like a physical keyboard and not mess around with switching between letter and numbers. Also, when you press Caps or Shift, the letters on the keyboard change case rather than just lighting up the Shift key.
4. Windows 8/RT has much better support for external storage, such as USB 3.0 sticks, external hard drives, etc.
5. Windows 8RT gives you access to the full file system with a file manager.
6. Windows 8/RT supports a mouse too. If you connect the tablet to an external monitor (by cable or wirelessly) then you can use the tablet as a desktop base unit.
7. Windows 8/RT has full multi-monitor support, similar to a Mac.
8. Windows 8/RT has a much better framework for apps to share data with each other and to be able to do global native searches for content stored within apps.
9. Windows 8/RT is much more customisable with it's live tiles.
I could go on, but it clearly demonstrates the superior capability of Windows 8 and Windows RT compared with iOS.
Pro apps - there are plenty available for both platforms. Most companies which do pro apps support both platforms equally.
Windows RT has many fine features, but its problem is that it is a bastardized version of Windows. If you want all those fine features, just get a Windows box (which does not even cost more). Why does RT even exist?
Windows RT has many fine features, but its problem is that it is a bastardized version of Windows. If you want all those fine features, just get a Windows box (which does not even cost more). Why does RT even exist?
Yeah, I kind of agree with you.
Once Office is available as a pure Metro suite of apps, then Windows RT can drop the desktop. Either that, or allow developers to create ARM desktop applications for it. At the moment it's neither here nor there.
One reason why RT exists is so that you can have a full native Windows desktop environment on ARM. But currently, only Microsoft's own desktop applications run on it, which limits its usefulness somewhat! If MS opened up Windows RT for desktop development, then it suddenly starts to make a lot of sense. But until then, they should simply drop the desktop from Windows RT.
The next question is why does Microsoft even need an ARM based OS when the new Intel chips are now good mobile alternatives? Well, it's possible that Microsoft couldn't afford to wait for Intel to deliver mobile chips. It's possible that Microsoft had Windows RT in development long before the Intel BayTrail chips were on the roadmap. Having a desktop operating system on ARM means that Microsoft is not as reliant on Intel going into the future.
Once Office is available as a pure Metro suite of apps, then Windows RT can drop the desktop. Either that, or allow developers to create ARM desktop applications for it. At the moment it's neither here nor there.
One reason why RT exists is so that you can have a full native Windows desktop environment on ARM. But currently, only Microsoft desktop applications run on it, which limits its usefulness somewhat! If MS opened up Windows RT for desktop development, then it suddenly starts to make a lot of sense. But until then, they should simply drop the desktop from Windows RT.
The next question is why does Microsoft even need an ARM based OS when the new Intel chips are now good mobile alternatives? Well, it's possible that Microsoft couldn't afford to wait for Intel to deliver mobile chips. It's possible that Microsoft had Windows RT in development long before the Intel BayTrail chips were on the roadmap. Having a desktop operating system on ARM means that Microsoft is not as reliant on Intel going into the future.
I think Apple very consciously made iOS for consuming content, not so much creating it (obviously, it's possible, but you should really have a computer), part of the reason being that it is quite hard to design productivity applications (e.g., Office) to work on a tablet, for a myriad reasons (small screen, non-existent keyboard, etc). I am not sure why MSFT did not take heed (well, it is tempting to leverage their dominance in office application, but it just does not work -- I remember trying to run Excel on a Sony Duo with its 11" screen, and trying to type into those teeny cells -- not fun). Otherwise, my view (but what do I know...) is that either MSFT should have done a full port of windows to ARM (perhaps via some emulation scheme -- God knows they have the best compiler people at MS Research), or nothing.
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Currently Microsoft makes a better tablet OS than Apple.
What? No. Not even close.
Given that Apple has no Azure equivalent it is automatically true that MS has better enterprise service platforms.
I would say that MS has as much presence in pro apps as Apple has in enterprise apps. Not much to speak of.
Mmmm...this is a more close comparison. You can probably convincingly argue either way.
Oh please. I get it. You find posting silly things amusing to annoy Apple users. Visual Studio is a bloated, overpriced carcass suitable only for adherents of Microsoft-proprietary languages, and IDE-dependent developers stuck on Microsoft's dead technologies like dot net and Silverlight.
Visual Studio is by far the worst IDE...except for all the others. It certainly is better than Eclipse and Netbeans. IntelliJ annoys the crap out of me so I obviously think it's better than that as well.
Xcode I think is a taste thing. It certainly is as limited as VS in terms of platform, languages and framework support.
I can't help wondering why Gates and Ballmer didn't rip off iOS like Google did. It's as if the guilt of ripping of Mac OS finally got to them and they hesitated too long assuming they even considered it.
Interesting that Ballmer gets to be on the Board...
He owns around $11BN of MSFT stock, and is certainly not a passive investor, so I would imagine that it would be hard to keep him off the board even if MSFT wanted to...
Currently Microsoft makes a better tablet OS than Apple.
Yes, and for that reason people bought so much, that Microsoft had to buy back the unsold inventory.
Currently Microsoft has better services, such as Azure.
And I thought that those people at Amazon EC2 were just a bunch of racoons.
They both have good pro apps.
Both? Who's the other one? Anyhow, sticking with Microsoft Pro apps for a moment -- really? These apps are 'good' because they are bloated and crash all the time?
Microsoft offers a better mobile Office Suite.
Correction - Popular, not better. Micorosft Office is the only productivity suite I've seen that's so much bloated, and full of bugs and inconsistencies. It lags all the time and oh my God just have a look at Office 2013. Microsoft for some reason thinks that obtrusive animations and Metro UI is good for office productivity because it takes more time to do the same thing and it is more heavier on system resources so older PCs cannot run it. BRAVO.
IE11 is better than Safari.
By what measure do you arrive at this? I think this one is just out of spite and doesn't make any sense at all. Have you ever used Safari? It's faster than Chrome my delirious man. It supports extensions. It supports multi-threaded rendering. It supports better standards than any IE. It has stuff like offline reading list. It has a much much much much much much better and beautiful UI as compared to the dull IE. The whole world has ditched IE because it's so numb, old and feature-stripped. But somehow, it's better than Safari? Ok.
If hiring internally means no great change of direction, that's good news for Apple. Microsoft has had no answer to the iPhone and iPad, and even the Mac has outgrown Windows marketshare for 30 of the last 31 quarters (by a tiny bit each time). More of the same? Great.
What? No. Not even close.
Given that Apple has no Azure equivalent it is automatically true that MS has better enterprise service platforms.
I would say that MS has as much presence in pro apps as Apple has in enterprise apps. Not much to speak of.
Mmmm...this is a more close comparison. You can probably convincingly argue either way.
Examples of how Windows 8 RT is better than iOS -
1. Windows 8/RT can display 2 or 3 apps side by side. iOS only displays 1 app at a time.
2. Windows 8/RT supports multi-user accounts.
3. Windows 8/RT has a better on-screen keyboard than the iPad. It can display a full size standard keyboard layout, with numbers at the top and even function keys, so you can use it just like a physical keyboard and not mess around with switching between letter and numbers. Also, when you press Caps or Shift, the letters on the keyboard change case rather than just lighting up the Shift key.
4. Windows 8/RT has much better support for external storage, such as USB 3.0 sticks, external hard drives, etc.
5. Windows 8RT gives you access to the full file system with a file manager.
6. Windows 8/RT supports a mouse too. If you connect the tablet to an external monitor (by cable or wirelessly) then you can use the tablet as a desktop base unit.
7. Windows 8/RT has full multi-monitor support, similar to a Mac.
8. Windows 8/RT has a much better framework for apps to share data with each other and to be able to do global native searches for content stored within apps.
9. Windows 8/RT is much more customisable with it's live tiles.
I could go on, but it clearly demonstrates the superior capability of Windows 8 and Windows RT compared with iOS.
Pro apps - there are plenty available for both platforms. Most companies which do pro apps support both platforms equally.
Jeez, this reminds me of the Monty Python Argument Clinic. "This isn't an argument, it's just contradiction!"
Would you care to explain exactly how he is wrong?
I don't need to. His delirious post was rebutted enough already.
Now I see i need to amend my sig...
What? No. Not even close.
Given that Apple has no Azure equivalent it is automatically true that MS has better enterprise service platforms.
I would say that MS has as much presence in pro apps as Apple has in enterprise apps. Not much to speak of.
Mmmm...this is a more close comparison. You can probably convincingly argue either way.
[/QUOTE]
Examples of how Windows 8 RT is better than iOS -
1. Windows 8/RT can display 2 or 3 apps side by side. iOS only displays 1 app at a time.
2. Windows 8/RT supports multi-user accounts.
3. Windows 8/RT has a better on-screen keyboard than the iPad. It can display a full size standard keyboard layout, with numbers at the top and even function keys, so you can use it just like a physical keyboard and not mess around with switching between letter and numbers. Also, when you press Caps or Shift, the letters on the keyboard change case rather than just lighting up the Shift key.
4. Windows 8/RT has much better support for external storage, such as USB 3.0 sticks, external hard drives, etc.
5. Windows 8RT gives you access to the full file system with a file manager.
6. Windows 8/RT supports a mouse too. If you connect the tablet to an external monitor (by cable or wirelessly) then you can use the tablet as a desktop base unit.
7. Windows 8/RT has full multi-monitor support, similar to a Mac.
8. Windows 8/RT has a much better framework for apps to share data with each other and to be able to do global native searches for content stored within apps.
9. Windows 8/RT is much more customisable with it's live tiles.
I could go on, but it clearly demonstrates the superior capability of Windows 8 and Windows RT compared with iOS.
Pro apps - there are plenty available for both platforms. Most companies which do pro apps support both platforms equally.
[/quote
Umm...thanks for the history lesson, but we are more into future paradigms here.
I don't need to. His delirious post was rebutted enough already.
Now I see i need to amend my sig...
@RogueDogRandy,
There is no need to send me abusive private messages. To quote your message...
'' ~~you have been owned on this forum, dumb ass. You really should stop being such a dumb mother f***er ''
Grow up dude!
Visual Studio is by far the worst IDE...except for all the others. It certainly is better than Eclipse and Netbeans. IntelliJ annoys the crap out of me so I obviously think it's better than that as well.
Xcode I think is a taste thing. It certainly is as limited as VS in terms of platform, languages and framework support.
Visual Studio supports lots of languages - VB, C#, C++, F#, Python, Ruby, APL, etc etc. Basically, it can be extended to work with any language.
That was an "easy" thing to do, Apple was being run by incompetent fools during MS rising, and even when Steve was there, he was a maniac.
Now, with guys like Cook, Ive, Phil, Craig and others, +160 billion in the bank, +13B$ net profit each christmas quarter, not to mention the powerful ecosystem. I would love to see them try it, again.
Yes, good thing that bozo Jobs is no longer at Apple...
I can't help wondering why Gates and Ballmer didn't rip off iOS like Google did. It's as if the guilt of ripping of Mac OS finally got to them and they hesitated too long assuming they even considered it.
Well, to be fair, Apple did write a sloppy SLA/EULA that gave Microsoft unlimited use of Apple's technology. Google just ripped Apple off. Why Apple are suing Samsung and not Google though is not clear to me.
@RogueDogRandy,
There is no need to send me abusive private messages. To quote your message...
'' ~~you have been owned on this forum, dumb ass. You really should stop being such a dumb mother f***er ''
Grow up dude!
I would say, abusive private messages are reason for immediate banning.
I can't help wondering why Gates and Ballmer didn't rip off iOS like Google did. It's as if the guilt of ripping of Mac OS finally got to them and they hesitated too long assuming they even considered it.
Have you actually used windows? Other than the fact that both Windows and Mac OS use, umm, windows and a recycle bin, the look and feel is completely different, and the usage modes are quite different as well. Given that Mac was not the first, second, or third computer to use a window system, I am not sure what you are on about.
Examples of how Windows 8 RT is better than iOS -
1. Windows 8/RT can display 2 or 3 apps side by side. iOS only displays 1 app at a time.
2. Windows 8/RT supports multi-user accounts.
3. Windows 8/RT has a better on-screen keyboard than the iPad. It can display a full size standard keyboard layout, with numbers at the top and even function keys, so you can use it just like a physical keyboard and not mess around with switching between letter and numbers. Also, when you press Caps or Shift, the letters on the keyboard change case rather than just lighting up the Shift key.
4. Windows 8/RT has much better support for external storage, such as USB 3.0 sticks, external hard drives, etc.
5. Windows 8RT gives you access to the full file system with a file manager.
6. Windows 8/RT supports a mouse too. If you connect the tablet to an external monitor (by cable or wirelessly) then you can use the tablet as a desktop base unit.
7. Windows 8/RT has full multi-monitor support, similar to a Mac.
8. Windows 8/RT has a much better framework for apps to share data with each other and to be able to do global native searches for content stored within apps.
9. Windows 8/RT is much more customisable with it's live tiles.
I could go on, but it clearly demonstrates the superior capability of Windows 8 and Windows RT compared with iOS.
Pro apps - there are plenty available for both platforms. Most companies which do pro apps support both platforms equally.
Windows RT has many fine features, but its problem is that it is a bastardized version of Windows. If you want all those fine features, just get a Windows box (which does not even cost more). Why does RT even exist?
Windows RT has many fine features, but its problem is that it is a bastardized version of Windows. If you want all those fine features, just get a Windows box (which does not even cost more). Why does RT even exist?
Yeah, I kind of agree with you.
Once Office is available as a pure Metro suite of apps, then Windows RT can drop the desktop. Either that, or allow developers to create ARM desktop applications for it. At the moment it's neither here nor there.
One reason why RT exists is so that you can have a full native Windows desktop environment on ARM. But currently, only Microsoft's own desktop applications run on it, which limits its usefulness somewhat! If MS opened up Windows RT for desktop development, then it suddenly starts to make a lot of sense. But until then, they should simply drop the desktop from Windows RT.
The next question is why does Microsoft even need an ARM based OS when the new Intel chips are now good mobile alternatives? Well, it's possible that Microsoft couldn't afford to wait for Intel to deliver mobile chips. It's possible that Microsoft had Windows RT in development long before the Intel BayTrail chips were on the roadmap. Having a desktop operating system on ARM means that Microsoft is not as reliant on Intel going into the future.
Yeah, I kind of agree with you.
Once Office is available as a pure Metro suite of apps, then Windows RT can drop the desktop. Either that, or allow developers to create ARM desktop applications for it. At the moment it's neither here nor there.
One reason why RT exists is so that you can have a full native Windows desktop environment on ARM. But currently, only Microsoft desktop applications run on it, which limits its usefulness somewhat! If MS opened up Windows RT for desktop development, then it suddenly starts to make a lot of sense. But until then, they should simply drop the desktop from Windows RT.
The next question is why does Microsoft even need an ARM based OS when the new Intel chips are now good mobile alternatives? Well, it's possible that Microsoft couldn't afford to wait for Intel to deliver mobile chips. It's possible that Microsoft had Windows RT in development long before the Intel BayTrail chips were on the roadmap. Having a desktop operating system on ARM means that Microsoft is not as reliant on Intel going into the future.
I think Apple very consciously made iOS for consuming content, not so much creating it (obviously, it's possible, but you should really have a computer), part of the reason being that it is quite hard to design productivity applications (e.g., Office) to work on a tablet, for a myriad reasons (small screen, non-existent keyboard, etc). I am not sure why MSFT did not take heed (well, it is tempting to leverage their dominance in office application, but it just does not work -- I remember trying to run Excel on a Sony Duo with its 11" screen, and trying to type into those teeny cells -- not fun). Otherwise, my view (but what do I know...) is that either MSFT should have done a full port of windows to ARM (perhaps via some emulation scheme -- God knows they have the best compiler people at MS Research), or nothing.